September 3, 2025 • 14 mins
The Gun Writer joined Preston to make the case the ATF has abused its power with deadly consequences.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, good morning, ruminators. It is Friday, August twenty second.
He is Jose. I'm preston a show fifty four to
thirty seven of the Morning Show with Preston Scott. It
is great to be with you. We are joined by
Lee Williams aka the gun Writer. You can find his
work at the gun Writer dot substack dot com. Good morning, Lee.
(00:26):
How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Good Preston, I'm doing well. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I am doing very well. That said, I am probably
not to the degree you are, because you have invested
so much time and effort in uncovering the dirty details.
And dirty is probably a polite word for what the
ATF has done to ruin a young man's life in
Patrick Tato Domiak, you wrote a piece that you released yesterday,
(00:55):
it's time for President Trump to end the ATF. And
obviously this is much more more than just Tata Domiak.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, I mean I started it off with no one
makes the case that it's time to end the ATF
better than the ATF, and they really do, brother, I mean,
these guys screw up internationally and consistently. I've written more
than one hundred stories about ATF since I started doing this,
and I've never seen a bloodier history. I mean, and
(01:23):
like I said in my story earn my column, it's
the blood of innocent Americans. I mean, look at every
twenty eight, nineteen ninety three, they took out Waco, they
killed people in their homes, and then just last year
March nineteenth, ATF agent Tyler Coward did it to a
fifty three year old Arkansas Airport executive who was in
(01:47):
his home, thought he was being burglarized. Never committed a crime.
I mean, ATF has committed atrocity after atrocity after trocity,
and they've never been held accountable. And I'm telling you
they're going to keep doing it under Trump until he
does something about the agency. So I think I think
it's time for the agency just to go. And that's
what I said in my piece yesterday. It's time for
(02:07):
President Trump to end the ATF. They cannot be trusted.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
What is the history of ATF? How do we get
how did we get it?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know, it started out like a lot of federal agencies.
The agents were unarmed, they were tracking stills, and then
they just added in addition to alcohol, they started adding
things to them, tobacco, and then when they got to firearms,
ATF was like, oh yeah, okay, now we can really run.
I mean if you look at look at I guarantee
(02:39):
you go to their website. Just look at the Remembering
Waco homepage. Okay, remember Waco. You would think they would
they would have some type of guilt about the seventy
eighty people that were killed. But no, I mean they
really don't. They really don't. I mean they they talked
a little bit about some misjudgment and then they just
(03:00):
go right into what a great job their agents do nationally.
It's ludicrous. I mean, I've never seen anything like it.
They said their big admission about Waco. Certain actions by
ATF were criticized. If we didn't have seventy people dead,
you know, eighty total with the four ATF agents that
(03:23):
you know, it's like they just don't get it. And
then when you look at recent stuff, you got Patrick
Tata Domiac, the US Navy petty officer. You got Mark
chuff Omanley who was at home with his family when
ATF did him. Russell Fincher, a guy who was a
Baptist pastor, they took him out, and then of course
(03:45):
Brian Melanowski, they shot and killed in his home. You know,
I just don't see why we need this agency. I mean,
they these cases, they clearly show ATF can't tell the
difference between a criminal and a legitimate gun owner. And
it's this inability, brother that resulted in them filing false
criminal charges like they did to a domiac.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Joining me, Lee Williams the gun writer, and he writes
about the Second Amendment. He writes about cases that are
an affront to the Second Amendment. And let's work. Let's
work from work backwards from your story. Let's start with
Brian Malinowski. Let's remind everybody what he was accused of
doing and being.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
He was never accused of doing and being anything. They
had a search warrant to search his home. Brian was
a banker in Arkansas. He was the I'm sorry, an
airport executive. I get my guys confused, and the senior
airport executive. He had an incredibly high salary and he
went to gun shows. You get a table and he'd
trade some stuff. He was into coins. He would do
(04:51):
that too. ATF got a search warrant for his home,
rather than picking him up at the office or going
to knocking on his door. They hit him in the
middle of the night. He thought there were burglars coming in.
He armed himself, fired around, hit some ATF agent in
the sole of his shoe. Of course, Tyler Cohort, who's
an ATF agent, sighted in on his head and shot
(05:13):
him dead. Uh, it's just a tragedy, absolute tragedy. He
had never charged with a crime.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
What was what were they suspecting him of doing that
warranted a midnight raid.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That's the way ATF works. If they're going to do
a search warrant, rather than just knock on the guy's
door or go into his office which is a no
gun zone in the middle of an airport, say hey, Brian,
you know we need to we need to go search
your home. Come with us. They always try and go commando,
and they kicked indoors. They taped over his camera right
(05:50):
outside on his front door. It was terrible. And then
of course he has no He's got a huge home.
He has no idea who's in his home. None of
them are wearing any police accouterment. He didn't hear him,
and they shoot him dead in the hallway and they
were exonerated.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
How is that possible exonerated based on what.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Based on the threat that he presented. They said that
the coward shot was okay, and he shot him in
the head and they left him laying there. He died
three days later. I mean, it's just a terrible They
weren't even giving him aid. It's a horrible situation.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Please tell me the family's suing.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yes, the wife, I'm sorry. The widow has filed a lawsuit.
And if ATF knows anything, they better damn well.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Payoff does n't bring the husband and father back, though
Russell Fincher tell us about him.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Russell's a really neat guy. A high school history teacher,
lives in a small small town Tuskahoma, Oklahoma, Baptist minister,
a part time gun dealer. Yet a little shed built
outside his home where he sold guns. And then twenty
twenty three seven vehicles come up and they disgorged a
dozen ATF agents. They yelled and screamed that it put
(07:11):
him in handcuffs on his porch right next to his son,
and yelled and screamed at him enough until they scared
him and he agreed to stop selling firearms. They just
charged him with selling a box of ammunition to somebody
with a felony license or with a felony record, who
I don't know how Russell was supposed to know that
in Oklahoma you don't run people background for selling it
(07:33):
for buying AMMO. But that was their big git. They
he sold a box of AMMA to somebody with a
felony So where is He's out of the business. He's
out of the business.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Where's Oklahoma law in all of this? Where's the Oklahoma
Attorney General in all of this?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
The AG got involved. There were some lawmakers from Oklahoma
who represented him, who got involved. They yelled and screamed
at ATF, and of course ATF just doesn't care. They
did nothing for this man who now has a felony record,
can't sell guns. Campusess Guns.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Tell us about Mark Manley.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Great guy, He's going to be at the at R.
I'm sorry our big get together next month when the
Second Amendment Foundation gets together, I'm gonna be talking to
him there. He's a gun owner, gun collector, Second Amendment advocate.
He had seventy legally owned firearms stored in a huge
safe in his home. He lived by Baltimore, and then
(08:33):
one morning he gets up super early he sees ATF
agents run around outside. They kick in the door, They
go down in his basement. They throw a stungernad into
the room where his son is sleeping. They threw a
stungernad into the living room. They tell him they're going
to cut the front of his safe. He's like, hey,
I'll open up where I got nothing in there to
(08:54):
worry about, And he didn't went through all his guns,
said well, we're going to get back to you. Do
you could be charged? Of course, they never took anything.
Everything is illegal except for in my humble opinion, what
they did to him again, ATF agent using a bad informant,
said that he had illegal firearms. He had nothing illegal,
(09:17):
and then they just terrorized the hell out of him
and his family for no reason.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Lee, in your world of reporting, you know that you
have to be very careful about sourced information, and that
you know in the media world, you do everything possible
to find multiple sources. You don't report on one source
for this very reason. How is it possible, Yeah, how
is it possible that an agency with the amount of
(09:43):
authority and power it has doesn't follow what basic journalism requires.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You know, when I was a police officer. I worked dope,
I worked gangs. If we had an informant say hey,
there are bad things in this house, we would always
get a second opinion. And you know, you work enough
CI's confidential informants, eventually you know when they're telling the
truth of when they're lying. And when you've got a
guy who's facing charges, he's probably going to give you
(10:10):
a name or number. You got to be really careful.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And the ATF isn't isn't. Brian Melanowski, Mark Chupamanley Russell Fincher,
and Patrick Tata Domiak all were hurt in these non
legal terms because the HF doesn't know that anything about
an informant Tata Domiak.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Patrick is sitting in prison and has he was about
to be a Navy seal officer but now is in
prison and why.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
He's on the third year of his twenty year sentence. Again,
ATF kicked in the door. They found nothing illegal, so
they bring in this kid, and I mean he's a kid,
He's got nothing going on in his life to stop there.
He's an ATF employee, he's not a special agent. And
(11:04):
what he does is he uses his creativity to take
the stuff the legal items that Tate had in his
safe and turn them into bad things. For example, he
had a toy sten. You want one, to cost you
about one hundred bucks to mail it right to your house.
This kid took a real Sten barrel, real Sten action,
(11:24):
mounted him in the in the toy Sten, couldn't get
a magazine to fit, so it fired one round. Boom,
it's a machine gun. They're still sold online. Everything that
Tate had is still available online. Half most of it.
You don't even need a driver's license or any kind
of federal paperwork to get it. It's just amazing how
(11:46):
badly they went after Tate. They found nothing there illegal. Boom.
They went right after it.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
You could walk around my studio right now, Lee, and
you could take different things that are in my studio
and create quote, an assault weapons. That's what this guy did.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah. Jeffrey R. Bodell, he's not an agent. He's an
ATF firearms enforcement officer. This was the first trial he
ever testified in. And I got to tell you, he's
the reason that Tate is looking at twenty years. They
tried to get him for thirty years, but his attorney
got him out of ten years. But still, I mean,
this guy should be leading in the seal platoon and
(12:23):
instead he's sitting in a prison in New Jersey. It's
the most convoluted thing I've ever seen in my life.
It is the most screwed up case I've ever seen
in my life. You've got a guy in federal prison
who's got seventy more years to serve, who literally did
nothing wrong. Go to my story. We have all the
documents where we examined every little bit of evidence, everything
(12:46):
they took from him, and the documents are damning, but
not for Domiak. They're damning for the ATF. They show
that nothing he had was illegal. Not a thing he
was charged with was illegal. It's just a botched trade.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And that you can look up all of these items
now and purchase them legally online.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Right, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Real, Quickly, what's the update on Tate's case.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Well, he's getting some attention from high levels, let's just
put it that way. Whether or not he'll get a
pardon yet, I don't know. I certainly pray he does.
I really do. This kid does not need to be
in prison. He needs to be running a seal platoon.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Lee, thanks for all the work. You're doing, and again
a reminder to all of you, Thegunwriter dot substack dot
com take him up on the offer, look at the case,
and then reach out and call. Don't write, don't send emails,
call your congress, congressional representation in the House, and Senate Lee.
Thank you, my pleasures, Thank you, Sir Lee Williams with
(13:51):
us this morning The gun Writer dot substack dot com
on the Morning Show with Preston Scott
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Fix
Well, good morning, ruminators. It is Friday, August twenty second.
He is Jose. I'm preston a show fifty four to
thirty seven of the Morning Show with Preston Scott. It
is great to be with you. We are joined by
Lee Williams aka the gun Writer. You can find his
work at the gun Writer dot substack dot com. Good morning, Lee.
(00:26):
How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Good Preston, I'm doing well. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I am doing very well. That said, I am probably
not to the degree you are, because you have invested
so much time and effort in uncovering the dirty details.
And dirty is probably a polite word for what the
ATF has done to ruin a young man's life in
Patrick Tato Domiak, you wrote a piece that you released yesterday,
(00:55):
it's time for President Trump to end the ATF. And
obviously this is much more more than just Tata Domiak.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, I mean I started it off with no one
makes the case that it's time to end the ATF
better than the ATF, and they really do, brother, I mean,
these guys screw up internationally and consistently. I've written more
than one hundred stories about ATF since I started doing this,
and I've never seen a bloodier history. I mean, and
(01:23):
like I said in my story earn my column, it's
the blood of innocent Americans. I mean, look at every
twenty eight, nineteen ninety three, they took out Waco, they
killed people in their homes, and then just last year
March nineteenth, ATF agent Tyler Coward did it to a
fifty three year old Arkansas Airport executive who was in
(01:47):
his home, thought he was being burglarized. Never committed a crime.
I mean, ATF has committed atrocity after atrocity after trocity,
and they've never been held accountable. And I'm telling you
they're going to keep doing it under Trump until he
does something about the agency. So I think I think
it's time for the agency just to go. And that's
what I said in my piece yesterday. It's time for
(02:07):
President Trump to end the ATF. They cannot be trusted.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
What is the history of ATF? How do we get
how did we get it?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know, it started out like a lot of federal agencies.
The agents were unarmed, they were tracking stills, and then
they just added in addition to alcohol, they started adding
things to them, tobacco, and then when they got to firearms,
ATF was like, oh yeah, okay, now we can really run.
I mean if you look at look at I guarantee
(02:39):
you go to their website. Just look at the Remembering
Waco homepage. Okay, remember Waco. You would think they would
they would have some type of guilt about the seventy
eighty people that were killed. But no, I mean they
really don't. They really don't. I mean they they talked
a little bit about some misjudgment and then they just
(03:00):
go right into what a great job their agents do nationally.
It's ludicrous. I mean, I've never seen anything like it.
They said their big admission about Waco. Certain actions by
ATF were criticized. If we didn't have seventy people dead,
you know, eighty total with the four ATF agents that
(03:23):
you know, it's like they just don't get it. And
then when you look at recent stuff, you got Patrick
Tata Domiac, the US Navy petty officer. You got Mark
chuff Omanley who was at home with his family when
ATF did him. Russell Fincher, a guy who was a
Baptist pastor, they took him out, and then of course
(03:45):
Brian Melanowski, they shot and killed in his home. You know,
I just don't see why we need this agency. I mean,
they these cases, they clearly show ATF can't tell the
difference between a criminal and a legitimate gun owner. And
it's this inability, brother that resulted in them filing false
criminal charges like they did to a domiac.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Joining me, Lee Williams the gun writer, and he writes
about the Second Amendment. He writes about cases that are
an affront to the Second Amendment. And let's work. Let's
work from work backwards from your story. Let's start with
Brian Malinowski. Let's remind everybody what he was accused of
doing and being.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
He was never accused of doing and being anything. They
had a search warrant to search his home. Brian was
a banker in Arkansas. He was the I'm sorry, an
airport executive. I get my guys confused, and the senior
airport executive. He had an incredibly high salary and he
went to gun shows. You get a table and he'd
trade some stuff. He was into coins. He would do
(04:51):
that too. ATF got a search warrant for his home,
rather than picking him up at the office or going
to knocking on his door. They hit him in the
middle of the night. He thought there were burglars coming in.
He armed himself, fired around, hit some ATF agent in
the sole of his shoe. Of course, Tyler Cohort, who's
an ATF agent, sighted in on his head and shot
(05:13):
him dead. Uh, it's just a tragedy, absolute tragedy. He
had never charged with a crime.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
What was what were they suspecting him of doing that
warranted a midnight raid.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That's the way ATF works. If they're going to do
a search warrant, rather than just knock on the guy's
door or go into his office which is a no
gun zone in the middle of an airport, say hey, Brian,
you know we need to we need to go search
your home. Come with us. They always try and go commando,
and they kicked indoors. They taped over his camera right
(05:50):
outside on his front door. It was terrible. And then
of course he has no He's got a huge home.
He has no idea who's in his home. None of
them are wearing any police accouterment. He didn't hear him,
and they shoot him dead in the hallway and they
were exonerated.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
How is that possible exonerated based on what.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Based on the threat that he presented. They said that
the coward shot was okay, and he shot him in
the head and they left him laying there. He died
three days later. I mean, it's just a terrible They
weren't even giving him aid. It's a horrible situation.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Please tell me the family's suing.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yes, the wife, I'm sorry. The widow has filed a lawsuit.
And if ATF knows anything, they better damn well.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Payoff does n't bring the husband and father back, though
Russell Fincher tell us about him.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Russell's a really neat guy. A high school history teacher,
lives in a small small town Tuskahoma, Oklahoma, Baptist minister,
a part time gun dealer. Yet a little shed built
outside his home where he sold guns. And then twenty
twenty three seven vehicles come up and they disgorged a
dozen ATF agents. They yelled and screamed that it put
(07:11):
him in handcuffs on his porch right next to his son,
and yelled and screamed at him enough until they scared
him and he agreed to stop selling firearms. They just
charged him with selling a box of ammunition to somebody
with a felony license or with a felony record, who
I don't know how Russell was supposed to know that
in Oklahoma you don't run people background for selling it
(07:33):
for buying AMMO. But that was their big git. They
he sold a box of AMMA to somebody with a
felony So where is He's out of the business. He's
out of the business.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Where's Oklahoma law in all of this? Where's the Oklahoma
Attorney General in all of this?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
The AG got involved. There were some lawmakers from Oklahoma
who represented him, who got involved. They yelled and screamed
at ATF, and of course ATF just doesn't care. They
did nothing for this man who now has a felony record,
can't sell guns. Campusess Guns.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Tell us about Mark Manley.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Great guy, He's going to be at the at R.
I'm sorry our big get together next month when the
Second Amendment Foundation gets together, I'm gonna be talking to
him there. He's a gun owner, gun collector, Second Amendment advocate.
He had seventy legally owned firearms stored in a huge
safe in his home. He lived by Baltimore, and then
(08:33):
one morning he gets up super early he sees ATF
agents run around outside. They kick in the door, They
go down in his basement. They throw a stungernad into
the room where his son is sleeping. They threw a
stungernad into the living room. They tell him they're going
to cut the front of his safe. He's like, hey,
I'll open up where I got nothing in there to
(08:54):
worry about, And he didn't went through all his guns,
said well, we're going to get back to you. Do
you could be charged? Of course, they never took anything.
Everything is illegal except for in my humble opinion, what
they did to him again, ATF agent using a bad informant,
said that he had illegal firearms. He had nothing illegal,
(09:17):
and then they just terrorized the hell out of him
and his family for no reason.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Lee, in your world of reporting, you know that you
have to be very careful about sourced information, and that
you know in the media world, you do everything possible
to find multiple sources. You don't report on one source
for this very reason. How is it possible, Yeah, how
is it possible that an agency with the amount of
(09:43):
authority and power it has doesn't follow what basic journalism requires.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You know, when I was a police officer. I worked dope,
I worked gangs. If we had an informant say hey,
there are bad things in this house, we would always
get a second opinion. And you know, you work enough
CI's confidential informants, eventually you know when they're telling the
truth of when they're lying. And when you've got a
guy who's facing charges, he's probably going to give you
(10:10):
a name or number. You got to be really careful.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And the ATF isn't isn't. Brian Melanowski, Mark Chupamanley Russell Fincher,
and Patrick Tata Domiak all were hurt in these non
legal terms because the HF doesn't know that anything about
an informant Tata Domiak.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Patrick is sitting in prison and has he was about
to be a Navy seal officer but now is in
prison and why.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
He's on the third year of his twenty year sentence. Again,
ATF kicked in the door. They found nothing illegal, so
they bring in this kid, and I mean he's a kid,
He's got nothing going on in his life to stop there.
He's an ATF employee, he's not a special agent. And
(11:04):
what he does is he uses his creativity to take
the stuff the legal items that Tate had in his
safe and turn them into bad things. For example, he
had a toy sten. You want one, to cost you
about one hundred bucks to mail it right to your house.
This kid took a real Sten barrel, real Sten action,
(11:24):
mounted him in the in the toy Sten, couldn't get
a magazine to fit, so it fired one round. Boom,
it's a machine gun. They're still sold online. Everything that
Tate had is still available online. Half most of it.
You don't even need a driver's license or any kind
of federal paperwork to get it. It's just amazing how
(11:46):
badly they went after Tate. They found nothing there illegal. Boom.
They went right after it.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
You could walk around my studio right now, Lee, and
you could take different things that are in my studio
and create quote, an assault weapons. That's what this guy did.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah. Jeffrey R. Bodell, he's not an agent. He's an
ATF firearms enforcement officer. This was the first trial he
ever testified in. And I got to tell you, he's
the reason that Tate is looking at twenty years. They
tried to get him for thirty years, but his attorney
got him out of ten years. But still, I mean,
this guy should be leading in the seal platoon and
(12:23):
instead he's sitting in a prison in New Jersey. It's
the most convoluted thing I've ever seen in my life.
It is the most screwed up case I've ever seen
in my life. You've got a guy in federal prison
who's got seventy more years to serve, who literally did
nothing wrong. Go to my story. We have all the
documents where we examined every little bit of evidence, everything
(12:46):
they took from him, and the documents are damning, but
not for Domiak. They're damning for the ATF. They show
that nothing he had was illegal. Not a thing he
was charged with was illegal. It's just a botched trade.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And that you can look up all of these items
now and purchase them legally online.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Right, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Real, Quickly, what's the update on Tate's case.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Well, he's getting some attention from high levels, let's just
put it that way. Whether or not he'll get a
pardon yet, I don't know. I certainly pray he does.
I really do. This kid does not need to be
in prison. He needs to be running a seal platoon.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Lee, thanks for all the work. You're doing, and again
a reminder to all of you, Thegunwriter dot substack dot
com take him up on the offer, look at the case,
and then reach out and call. Don't write, don't send emails,
call your congress, congressional representation in the House, and Senate Lee.
Thank you, my pleasures, Thank you, Sir Lee Williams with
(13:51):
us this morning The gun Writer dot substack dot com
on the Morning Show with Preston Scott
Speaker 2 (14:00):
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