September 3, 2025 • 24 mins
Charlie Strickland, TalonTraining.com, joined Preston to discuss the tragedy at the Catholic school mass in Minneapolis, plus what are some options for those who won't, or can't, carry a firearm.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
If I passed the hour, I am turning the page
on the rundown. Here it is see Third Hour Morning
Show with Preston Scott Show five four and forty four.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
He is Jose.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
He's polished his head, he shaved his hair, and it's
just it's it's reflecting it. It's like a beacon over there.
It's Studio one A, and I'm here in Studio one B,
and I am joined by co founder of the Talent
Training Group. He is co host of Talent Outdoors and
he's our friend from the talent training group Talent Range
(00:38):
dot Com. I mean, how many talent things can we
say in sixty seconds?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
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Speaker 1 (00:51):
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we'd get some more. We have determined though, that the
Talent Winery in Tennessee or Kentucky it is is not
part of the.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh, there's a ton of things out or talent you know,
people call are y'all, y'all talent grips, which are these
little stick on skateboard tape you put on pistol grips
and like no, no, and we tried, and then there's talent,
but black talon ammo, and there's okay. When we started
trying to get some trademarks and stuff, we found out
all of the things out there that are talent that
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wanted to name it. We didn't wanted to make it
Charlie and JD's Training Company or JD and Charlie's Rains
or anything like that. It was had to come up
with something. Everybody goes, I have anything that there would
it be a Tyler Hasse He said, no, No. Talon
came from Eagle Talons. And when I was on the
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s White team, you know the Eagle and lightning Bolt
was the logo and I I did some artwork on
it one time. And you know, my favorite part of
the Eagle is the actually the talents.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
And I was thinking, you have the original artwork, you
had to put it up for sale, raise funds, raise
some money for a good cost.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It was graphic computer graphics.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
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be worth one hundred.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Print a thousand of them and sell them all as original.
Why not? That's my original signature.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Charlie is strickling with us this morning. It is our
personal defense segment, and we have to have a laugh
now and then because the stuff that's in the news
just sometimes is not that funny, and it's not even
remotely funny, and it's downright discouraging. And we had another
shooter at a church school in Minneapolis, and Charlie, churches
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and church schools are being targeted, Yes, they are specifically
being targeted. Yes, what are some considerations that people in
those environments need to have?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Guns? Protection, security, a plan, a security team. There's so
many things. I mean, there's a there's there's not a
new prescription. It's not a new concept. We've been dealing
with this for for years and years now, and I
think a lot of times when these things happen, and
what people consider to be safe places, I mean where
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you should feel the safest is normally where we should
be the most concerned now because people let their guard down.
And when you go to church, or you're in a
Christian school or a whatever religion, you know, any house
of worship based school, you feel like, well, nothing's going
to happen there, but because you know we're we're there
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in a place of God, you know, and that that's
not no. But that's where people are going crazy. People
excuse me, but these a lot of these people are
are mentally ill or are have twisted some way shape
form or fashion away from and and and they have
an agenda against an organization. And when you have an
organization that that that has such a passion or following
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or faith, then you're going to find people that oppose that,
or that are angry or are upset or feel betrayed,
or through whatever twisted sense they make of it, have
decided that they're going to go after and rebel and
fight back and do something. So you know, anytime you
set yourself up to stand on firm ground and build
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a place for yourself, there's somebody trying to tear that down.
And if they don't agree with you, that gives them
and their warped minds or reason to do it. So
you've got your kid in a faith based school, that
school has a duty to your children, that organization, that
church that you're in, has a duty to the people
that worship there to provide safety and security for them,
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and needs to allow someone there with a gun to
protect them. They need to have a plan. They need
to drill, they need to do these things, they need
to have a team. All the things that we've talked about.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
We're talking about the aftermath of what happened in Minneapolis
and the considerations that any of you, if you attend
to church, if you run a church you're a pastor.
If you run a school, you've got a private school,
do you have a plan? Charlie is in all the
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years that you and JD have talked with businesses, organizations, schools, churches, synagogues,
you name it, that's probably in the high hundreds, if
not thousands at this point. What's worse a bad plan
or no plan?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Are they equally bad?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Out? I don't know. I Mean that's hard to say
because how bad is your bad plan? So if your
plan is to have someone run up lock the doors
when somebody's shooting at the doors and to call nine
one one, I'd say that's probably worse than no plan
because no plan would involve everybody and you know, every
which away and mass confusion, and they're both bad. I mean,
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having a good plan is so easy, I mean, it
really is. It's not difficult. It's not absolutely I know,
in your church with your team and your people that
you're involved in. You guys have it going on. I mean,
I know, I mean I've listened to you. I know
what a lot of what y'all are doing.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well, you we had you and JD involved with our
site evaluation and making recommendations to how we should approach
security for our church.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Well, we've talked to so many houses of worship in
the region, gone out looked at places, We've worked with
people's teams. We've trained so many people through our classes,
I mean thousands upon thousands, and so yeah, I'd say
that's probably made a little bit of a difference in
this area. It's not like Tyler Hassee's prone to have
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an active huger situation here. I mean, we've only had
three that I can recall, you know, that's all. And
so you know, people go, oh, it's not going to
happen here. Well, you don't know what happens on a
daily basis around us. Down There are shots fired in
this down every single night, you know, So just people
don't get hit every single night, get hit enough, I mean,
and there's no amount of police or police work or
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anything that's going to stop that from happening as long
as there are people out there that are angry.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And that's really the point. Police, sheriffs, law enforcement in
general can only react. This is about having someone on site.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
It's like trying to move water. I mean, you put
your hand in a bucket and you want to move
it to one side. All you're doing is moving in
it over there, and it's flowing in right behind. Law
enforcement can only do so much. We as citizens, we
as we have a duty to protect ourselves. We have
a responsibility of a duty to protect our families and
our people around us. You know, there are different times
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of people. We talk about the predator, the prey, and
the protector, you know, the evil person out there, that
evil does exist in our society. There is the predator
that's the person that we're concerned about. And the prayer
are the people that are not capable of The predator
has the propensity and the capacity to commit violence. They
can commit violence, and they are willing and able to
commit violence. The prey are the people who just are
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not prepared to commit violence and protection of themselves or others.
They don't have the mindset to do it, so they
don't have the capacity or the propensity to commit violence,
and then there's a protector and those that's those of
us who have the capacity for violence. But we do
not have the propensity for violence. We have the ability
to commit violent acts if necessary, but we don't have
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the mindset to do it for any reason other than
in protection of ourselves or our community or other people.
And so if you count yourself among to protect your class,
and you can. We're not like, we're not animals, we
are human beings. We can change our stripes. We can
go from being a defenseless person to being able to
defend ourselves. But it takes first to change in your mindset.
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You have to say, I'm not going to let this
happen to me. I'm not going to let this happen
to my family. I'm not going to let this happen
to child, to my children. And what you, as a
parent or as a person should do is to demand
the boards of directors of organizations and church boards and
that we need to have this And I'm not going
to be here, my child's not going to be here.
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I'm not going to be here on something unless you
do something in this organization to protect us. Because I
don't want to be looking over my shoulder all the time,
and I don't want to be worried about my kid
at school. In school, you know, and there are guns
and everywhere now on the good side of things and
on the bad side of things. I mean, guns show
up from here. There's kids that do stupid stuff and
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bring things to school they shouldn't. But there are also
people that are planning things and doing things, and there's
a whole science behind that. But so what my advice
to everyone is to if you're part of an organization
is sit down with leadership and go what are you
doing to protect me? And how can I help? I mean,
it's just that easy. You have to start the conversations.
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You have to do it with a firm hands.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Twenty two minutes past the hour with Charlie Strickland of
the talent training group talent range dot com. You get
your training and become a member out there, and you know,
the idea is to not just shoot paper targets unless
that's just what you want to do for fun. If
you're serious about personal defense, get some training and you'll
benefit from it. I mentioned another story Charlie that's in
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the news. I said it was seasonal because we've got
kids back in school, We've got students back in town
at the campuses, and came across the story of parking lot.
Someone tried to rob a convenience store here in Florida,
Saint John's County and tried as well to kidnap a
female out of the store. She fought with everything she
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had in her and got away, So there was a
happy ending there. But I want to talk about the
awareness factor and some of the things that we should
be advising our daughters and the late in our community
as we're now going to see more and more availability
of the potential victims.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Get off of that cell phone, because that is the
one thing we talk about levels of awareness. We talk
about conditioned white and yellow red or orange, red and black.
Cooper's color code. You all can google that and ask
AI to explain that to you. It will probably do
a decent job. So the a little insight. I listened
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yesterday's show, so UH segment one.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Charlie, Ladies and Gentlemen, Charlie sore all week.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
The uh SO the biggest issues they Fox News this show.
I'm looking up here at the screen they're showing the
Chuck e Cheese mascot getting arrested again.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
That was funny.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
That guy has been arrested a bunch on TV. Yes
he has, well, got so. The biggest thing when the
levels of awareness is people are so distracted in this
day and age. I mean people, I see it all
the time, and I'm guilty. I have to watch myself
because you know, I have to make myself look up
for my cell phone sometimes, you know, and you know,
you just have to find a time and a place
for all that. You know, when you're sitting there in
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a restaurant, somebody walks in the door. You need you
hear the something new, Glance up, glance up, just look
around with a critical eye. You know, does that look normal?
Be listening? You know? Is that that ambient noise? Or
is that out of the ordinary? I mean those things
where you're constant. I mean you say, head on a swivel. Well,
I'm not talking about walking around all paranoid, but talk
to your kids, particularly daughters, about listen or is somebody,
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you know, somebody staring at you. You know you're there
in a bar, I mean, is somebody staring at you,
stalking you, trying to get close to you. Now they're
hovering around your drink, you know, next to or they
you know, keep your drink covered up. You want tobody
dropping anything in there. Things like that. Yeah, when when
And that's that's a lot of it. I mean, it happens,
It does happen. Doesn't You get a reported as often
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as it happens. And so if you're walking out of
a store, you know, just glance up, scan the parking lot,
you know, if something going on. So it's you walk
into a store, somebody's robbing a store, you're in the store,
run in the back, go to the go go in
the cooler, you know, go find somewhere to get away
from them. Because they're so worried about law enforcement coming,
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they're thinking about other things. Don't stand there, I mean, yeah,
you want to be a good witness. They got cameras,
they got a witness. You get away, you know, don't
you know. Go run into beer cooler and grab a
beer bottle and hold it in your hand as a weapon,
you know, and hit them across the head if they
come in. Carry things with you that you can use
this weapons. Yeah, just because you can't have something on
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campus doesn't mean you can't have it out in public,
and so there are laws that allow you to carry
certain things around. There are different less lethal items that
you could carry on you that you can use even
if you're not twenty one, and you can't carry a farm,
and a lot of these college kids are not old
enough to carry a farm because you can carry one
without a permit if you're twenty one, and you're legally
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allowed to get a permit if you don't have a
criminal records.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But you can't do it on a college campus.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Can't least you can do it on a college campus.
You can keep one in your car on parked on
a college campus, but not you can't have one in
a structure on campus obviously, not in dorm rooms and
things like that or anything. It's campus, this university affiliated,
so you need to be careful, make sure you're abided
by the law. But you can't have pepper spray and
tasers and things like that.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
We're going to talk about that in the next segment.
We're going to talk about the less lethal options, the good,
the bad, and the oh don't that fall into those categories.
But I think I want to I want to end
this segment with where we started. You said the word
put the phones down and be aware.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, just be aware. Look around you, be aware of
what's happening because and and don't be afraid of offending someone.
A lot of times people will oh if I, if
I act afraid, you know what, you're going to offend people.
If you say the right thing or wrong things, somebody's
going to get offended. I get it. You don't want
to appear to be racist or sex sist or this
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or that or whatever. But if someone's making giving you
the creepy feeling, trust your discernment, trust your judgment. You
know you don't want to get too far down that road.
I mean, just look at the way people are dressed,
Look at the way they're acting. They're posturing, their body language,
their eye contact. It will speak volumes and your instincts
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tend to be pretty right, folks.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
The point of bringing this up here is I recognize
they're not a ton of young people. We have some
college students, some homeschool students, we have some high school
students that might be catching this. But the bottom line
is talk to your kids about this, whether they're on
this campus, on another campus somewhere else, let them listen
to this segment, get them thinking about it and the
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obligatory and we're back. Charlie Strickland with me from the
Talent Training group Talent Range again Tellingrange dot Com. And
I texted Charlie earlier in the week. I said, Okay,
are there some things you definitely want to make sure
we cover?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
He said yes, So.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Every now and then you run across something. And I
saw something being shared on Facebook about this happened. And
the police officer told my friend and she told me
and blah blah blah blah blah, and it brought home
a point about less lethal stuff. And I went into
credit union one day and I'm sitting there. It's a
small credit union in a small town, and I'm talking
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to the lady at the counter and I'm like, well,
and I look over behind next to her keyboard and
there's a can of washpray And I said, I'm looking
around the room and I said, you have many wasps
in here, and she goes, it's funny, nobody's ever mentioned
that before. And I said, you're not using that for
self defense, sorry, And she goes, she looks around and
she goes, we're not allowed to have any weapons in here.
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And so my friend said, a police officer told them
that I should get a can of washpray, and I'm like,
you know, that doesn't work, and she goes, well, they
said that, you know, we have to be careful because
it could blind somebody. And out of this and it
was more effective, I said, no, it's got priorythroan in
it and it's like one percent, and that's designed to
work on insects, nervous systems, not people. And yes, it
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can cause permanent blind It can cause blindness in people
if you get it in their eyes, but it's not
immediate if you sprayed it in your eyes. I've had
wash spray in my eyes before. Spraying washed above my
head got in my eye and I'm like, well that's
kind of that doesn't even burn, you know. And it's
got Patrollum products in it and different things in it
and carry it's not going to incapacitate anyone. It might
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irritate them and in a few minutes it may cause
them some distress, but it's not immediate. It's not designed
for that, and it doesn't work for that. And so
people go, Okay, get a big can of wash spray.
It'll spray out to thirty feet you know what, so
will bear spray and it will work on people. And
it has a pretty effective because it's so there's so
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much volume to it. You can buy bear spray that online.
The bear spray is not as strong as people spray,
I mean by regular O sea spray. It's a little
bit stronger than the bear spray. But the bear spray
projects a long stream. It goes way out there because
obviously if you got bears, you don't want to get
too close to them. And you can use it on
people because it's not a lethal item. You can carry it.
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Now there's you can only carry so much pepper spray
on you. And the little handheld devices you can carry
those open and you can carry those concealed. You don't
have to do the Florida loaw allows you to carry
them either way. Something with a taser, you can carry
a taser openly or concealed on you. But but well,
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the projectile can't fire more than fifteen sixteen feet and
most of the civilian tasers or fifteen feet. But the
problem with a taser is is both probes have to
contact at a certain distance away from each other. In
order to get a proper spread, both probes have to
contact the body or there cannot be more than a
two inch gap between where it hits into clothing and
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to work. There's a lot of issues with you only
get one shot. They cost as much as a handgun,
and you know it's they're effective if if you don't
have anything else. Pepper spray is effective about half the time,
I mean on half the people. I mean, it's not
a fantastic weapon, but it's better than nothing. I mean,
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you know, so I would carry it. I tell people
to carry. We sell it in a store where you
can buy it lose. I mean you can get it anywhere.
I would encourage people to get some sort of a weapon.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Forty one minutes past the hour final segment here with
Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group. Remember just go
to talentrange dot com for some training burnas Sean Hannity
talks about them all the place, they're becoming more and
more popular. We people writing in asking about burners because they,
for example, might be a contractor at a state university
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and they're used to carrying, but they can't carry on campus.
They follow the rules even though bad people.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Don't.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Can they carry not burners on campus?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
No, that is so disappointing.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I'll do some research and I'll look at exactly what
the law says. And they've been getting back to you.
They don't know the whole reason, but I do know
that they cannot. So, but Burna's you know, when they
first came out with Berna and it was just marketed heavily.
They have a heavy marketing and conservative talk circles too,
they have Burna. So Burna is a pepper ball. It
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is a paintball, just like a paintball gun like kids
go play with and they'd have the paintball. When then
you know they got all these paintball tournaments and stuff
like that. They're you're shooting a paintball and they hurt,
especially if you hit at bear skin or anything that's
not padded. They do hurt. They leave a whelp. I mean,
we used to use paintballs in and plastic bullets and stuff,
and our and our training courses, I have shot hit
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a lot of depth. There's some deputy old deputies out
there listening and they've been through our training or do
serpentine training, and they had they had plastic bullets and
marking cartridges. And I had a paintball gun and if
they got out from behind cover, I'd eat them up.
I mean, and I've seen guys leave there with whelps
on them. They hurt, but you know, we use them
on each other. So you take that technology and you
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feel it. Instead of paint, you fill it with olerism
CAP says and powder O C powder, and so you
get that respiratory effect as well as the pain from
the thing hitting you. It's more effective than pepper spray,
except that you know, if you get it up on
the upper part of the body where the powder gets
in your face, so you have the pain, compliance you
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have the respiratory effect and the blinding effect of the
pepper powder.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Is there a difference when they combine the projectile with
not just the pepper, but the tear gas component as well.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I mean, it has the same basic effect. So C
S and O C are two of the chemical components
we use in a tactical environment. You know, O C
is more of a irritant to the mucous membranes and
the eyes. It's more of a it's more of that.
A C S has more of a I forget the
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name of it. That's a bigger just a bigger word,
but it's it's a little different effect. You put the
two together. Yeah, you're going to have you're gonna have
a little bit more more of more effective chemical compound. However,
it's still not it's not a gun. Okay, so understand
you're not carrying a gun. Uh, you might distract people
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with it. That might if they may think they're being
shot because it's shaped like a gun. It may sound
under stress. You know, it's pop pop pop. They're getting
the impact. But keep in mind, it is a distractor.
It is a It causes a pause in combat, and
that's all you can expect from most less lethal weapons.
That is going to get their attention. It's going to
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distract them. It's going to give you a moment or
two to try to get away. It's not going to
when you know, we were talking on a break. I
consider incapacitating when they say, what does it incapacitate people?
To me, that's it stops them from doing anything to you,
and it detains It makes them lay there and wait
for somebody to get there. I don't can consider that incapacitating.
All it does is a distractor to me. It gets
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their attention. They're solely focused on what's going on with
their body at that point in time. Now, if they
are under the influence of drugs or they are mentally ill,
it may not have the physiological effects that you want
it to the physical effects that you want it to.
It may cause them to be angry, you know. And
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then there are other things like handheld flashlights, you know,
impact weapons, things like that. I love a flashlight. I've
got a flashlight in my pocket. There's I noticed one
over there. Clip to your having a little bright light
you can shine in somebody's face, hold it in your hand,
push button on the back. You stab them in the
stab them in the ice, stab them in the temple
across the bridge of the nose, you know it as
a last resort.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It was my brother's favorite spot. To you, it's the
bridge of the nose.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Well. I mean, you take a little handheld device like
that and everybody knows how to stab. I mean, so
you know those having something on you, I mean the
little noise distraction devices. That's nothing. That's you know, keys
to your car and make your alarm go beat beep
or something. There's you got it, just don't. It's not
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a lucky charm. It's not gonna make the world go away.
It's not gonna keep the evil, you know, the wolf
off your doorstep. You know you need to be you
need to develop the mindset actually commit violence, because that's
what it's gonna take to prevent violence. And then your
mindset changes, your the way you carry yourself, your posturing changes,
and you become less likely to be a victim. If
you look like you can, I can pick them out
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of a lineup. I'll make eye contact with you. You're
way less likely to be a victim.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Thanks is always for coming in.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Charlie Strickland of the talent training group talentrange dot com
If I passed the hour, I am turning the page
on the rundown. Here it is see Third Hour Morning
Show with Preston Scott Show five four and forty four.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
He is Jose.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
He's polished his head, he shaved his hair, and it's
just it's it's reflecting it. It's like a beacon over there.
It's Studio one A, and I'm here in Studio one B,
and I am joined by co founder of the Talent
Training Group. He is co host of Talent Outdoors and
he's our friend from the talent training group Talent Range
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dot Com. I mean, how many talent things can we
say in sixty seconds?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Talent Security it's my other company. There you go, Talent Holsters.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, I knew if we primed the pump along enough
we'd get some more. We have determined though, that the
Talent Winery in Tennessee or Kentucky it is is not
part of the.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh, there's a ton of things out or talent you know,
people call are y'all, y'all talent grips, which are these
little stick on skateboard tape you put on pistol grips
and like no, no, and we tried, and then there's talent,
but black talon ammo, and there's okay. When we started
trying to get some trademarks and stuff, we found out
all of the things out there that are talent that
(01:24):
prohibited us from getting certain things right. Anyway, we just
wanted to name it. We didn't wanted to make it
Charlie and JD's Training Company or JD and Charlie's Rains
or anything like that. It was had to come up
with something. Everybody goes, I have anything that there would
it be a Tyler Hasse He said, no, No. Talon
came from Eagle Talons. And when I was on the
(01:46):
s White team, you know the Eagle and lightning Bolt
was the logo and I I did some artwork on
it one time. And you know, my favorite part of
the Eagle is the actually the talents.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
And I was thinking, you have the original artwork, you
had to put it up for sale, raise funds, raise
some money for a good cost.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It was graphic computer graphics.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Still sign it and put your signature on it. It'll
be worth one hundred.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Print a thousand of them and sell them all as original.
Why not? That's my original signature.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Charlie is strickling with us this morning. It is our
personal defense segment, and we have to have a laugh
now and then because the stuff that's in the news
just sometimes is not that funny, and it's not even
remotely funny, and it's downright discouraging. And we had another
shooter at a church school in Minneapolis, and Charlie, churches
(02:40):
and church schools are being targeted, Yes, they are specifically
being targeted. Yes, what are some considerations that people in
those environments need to have?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Guns? Protection, security, a plan, a security team. There's so
many things. I mean, there's a there's there's not a
new prescription. It's not a new concept. We've been dealing
with this for for years and years now, and I
think a lot of times when these things happen, and
what people consider to be safe places, I mean where
(03:14):
you should feel the safest is normally where we should
be the most concerned now because people let their guard down.
And when you go to church, or you're in a
Christian school or a whatever religion, you know, any house
of worship based school, you feel like, well, nothing's going
to happen there, but because you know we're we're there
(03:35):
in a place of God, you know, and that that's
not no. But that's where people are going crazy. People
excuse me, but these a lot of these people are
are mentally ill or are have twisted some way shape
form or fashion away from and and and they have
an agenda against an organization. And when you have an
organization that that that has such a passion or following
(04:00):
or faith, then you're going to find people that oppose that,
or that are angry or are upset or feel betrayed,
or through whatever twisted sense they make of it, have
decided that they're going to go after and rebel and
fight back and do something. So you know, anytime you
set yourself up to stand on firm ground and build
(04:27):
a place for yourself, there's somebody trying to tear that down.
And if they don't agree with you, that gives them
and their warped minds or reason to do it. So
you've got your kid in a faith based school, that
school has a duty to your children, that organization, that
church that you're in, has a duty to the people
that worship there to provide safety and security for them,
(04:49):
and needs to allow someone there with a gun to
protect them. They need to have a plan. They need
to drill, they need to do these things, they need
to have a team. All the things that we've talked about.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
We're talking about the aftermath of what happened in Minneapolis
and the considerations that any of you, if you attend
to church, if you run a church you're a pastor.
If you run a school, you've got a private school,
do you have a plan? Charlie is in all the
(05:26):
years that you and JD have talked with businesses, organizations, schools, churches, synagogues,
you name it, that's probably in the high hundreds, if
not thousands at this point. What's worse a bad plan
or no plan?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Are they equally bad?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Out? I don't know. I Mean that's hard to say
because how bad is your bad plan? So if your
plan is to have someone run up lock the doors
when somebody's shooting at the doors and to call nine
one one, I'd say that's probably worse than no plan
because no plan would involve everybody and you know, every
which away and mass confusion, and they're both bad. I mean,
(06:04):
having a good plan is so easy, I mean, it
really is. It's not difficult. It's not absolutely I know,
in your church with your team and your people that
you're involved in. You guys have it going on. I mean,
I know, I mean I've listened to you. I know
what a lot of what y'all are doing.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well, you we had you and JD involved with our
site evaluation and making recommendations to how we should approach
security for our church.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Well, we've talked to so many houses of worship in
the region, gone out looked at places, We've worked with
people's teams. We've trained so many people through our classes,
I mean thousands upon thousands, and so yeah, I'd say
that's probably made a little bit of a difference in
this area. It's not like Tyler Hassee's prone to have
(06:52):
an active huger situation here. I mean, we've only had
three that I can recall, you know, that's all. And
so you know, people go, oh, it's not going to
happen here. Well, you don't know what happens on a
daily basis around us. Down There are shots fired in
this down every single night, you know, So just people
don't get hit every single night, get hit enough, I mean,
and there's no amount of police or police work or
(07:13):
anything that's going to stop that from happening as long
as there are people out there that are angry.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And that's really the point. Police, sheriffs, law enforcement in
general can only react. This is about having someone on site.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
It's like trying to move water. I mean, you put
your hand in a bucket and you want to move
it to one side. All you're doing is moving in
it over there, and it's flowing in right behind. Law
enforcement can only do so much. We as citizens, we
as we have a duty to protect ourselves. We have
a responsibility of a duty to protect our families and
our people around us. You know, there are different times
(07:49):
of people. We talk about the predator, the prey, and
the protector, you know, the evil person out there, that
evil does exist in our society. There is the predator
that's the person that we're concerned about. And the prayer
are the people that are not capable of The predator
has the propensity and the capacity to commit violence. They
can commit violence, and they are willing and able to
commit violence. The prey are the people who just are
(08:12):
not prepared to commit violence and protection of themselves or others.
They don't have the mindset to do it, so they
don't have the capacity or the propensity to commit violence,
and then there's a protector and those that's those of
us who have the capacity for violence. But we do
not have the propensity for violence. We have the ability
to commit violent acts if necessary, but we don't have
(08:35):
the mindset to do it for any reason other than
in protection of ourselves or our community or other people.
And so if you count yourself among to protect your class,
and you can. We're not like, we're not animals, we
are human beings. We can change our stripes. We can
go from being a defenseless person to being able to
defend ourselves. But it takes first to change in your mindset.
(08:59):
You have to say, I'm not going to let this
happen to me. I'm not going to let this happen
to my family. I'm not going to let this happen
to child, to my children. And what you, as a
parent or as a person should do is to demand
the boards of directors of organizations and church boards and
that we need to have this And I'm not going
to be here, my child's not going to be here.
(09:19):
I'm not going to be here on something unless you
do something in this organization to protect us. Because I
don't want to be looking over my shoulder all the time,
and I don't want to be worried about my kid
at school. In school, you know, and there are guns
and everywhere now on the good side of things and
on the bad side of things. I mean, guns show
up from here. There's kids that do stupid stuff and
(09:39):
bring things to school they shouldn't. But there are also
people that are planning things and doing things, and there's
a whole science behind that. But so what my advice
to everyone is to if you're part of an organization
is sit down with leadership and go what are you
doing to protect me? And how can I help? I mean,
it's just that easy. You have to start the conversations.
(10:01):
You have to do it with a firm hands.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Twenty two minutes past the hour with Charlie Strickland of
the talent training group talent range dot com. You get
your training and become a member out there, and you know,
the idea is to not just shoot paper targets unless
that's just what you want to do for fun. If
you're serious about personal defense, get some training and you'll
benefit from it. I mentioned another story Charlie that's in
(10:25):
the news. I said it was seasonal because we've got
kids back in school, We've got students back in town
at the campuses, and came across the story of parking lot.
Someone tried to rob a convenience store here in Florida,
Saint John's County and tried as well to kidnap a
female out of the store. She fought with everything she
(10:48):
had in her and got away, So there was a
happy ending there. But I want to talk about the
awareness factor and some of the things that we should
be advising our daughters and the late in our community
as we're now going to see more and more availability
of the potential victims.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Get off of that cell phone, because that is the
one thing we talk about levels of awareness. We talk
about conditioned white and yellow red or orange, red and black.
Cooper's color code. You all can google that and ask
AI to explain that to you. It will probably do
a decent job. So the a little insight. I listened
(11:30):
yesterday's show, so UH segment one.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Charlie, Ladies and Gentlemen, Charlie sore all week.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
The uh SO the biggest issues they Fox News this show.
I'm looking up here at the screen they're showing the
Chuck e Cheese mascot getting arrested again.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
That was funny.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
That guy has been arrested a bunch on TV. Yes
he has, well, got so. The biggest thing when the
levels of awareness is people are so distracted in this
day and age. I mean people, I see it all
the time, and I'm guilty. I have to watch myself
because you know, I have to make myself look up
for my cell phone sometimes, you know, and you know,
you just have to find a time and a place
for all that. You know, when you're sitting there in
(12:07):
a restaurant, somebody walks in the door. You need you
hear the something new, Glance up, glance up, just look
around with a critical eye. You know, does that look normal?
Be listening? You know? Is that that ambient noise? Or
is that out of the ordinary? I mean those things
where you're constant. I mean you say, head on a swivel. Well,
I'm not talking about walking around all paranoid, but talk
to your kids, particularly daughters, about listen or is somebody,
(12:32):
you know, somebody staring at you. You know you're there
in a bar, I mean, is somebody staring at you,
stalking you, trying to get close to you. Now they're
hovering around your drink, you know, next to or they
you know, keep your drink covered up. You want tobody
dropping anything in there. Things like that. Yeah, when when
And that's that's a lot of it. I mean, it happens,
It does happen. Doesn't You get a reported as often
(12:53):
as it happens. And so if you're walking out of
a store, you know, just glance up, scan the parking lot,
you know, if something going on. So it's you walk
into a store, somebody's robbing a store, you're in the store,
run in the back, go to the go go in
the cooler, you know, go find somewhere to get away
from them. Because they're so worried about law enforcement coming,
(13:16):
they're thinking about other things. Don't stand there, I mean, yeah,
you want to be a good witness. They got cameras,
they got a witness. You get away, you know, don't
you know. Go run into beer cooler and grab a
beer bottle and hold it in your hand as a weapon,
you know, and hit them across the head if they
come in. Carry things with you that you can use
this weapons. Yeah, just because you can't have something on
(13:38):
campus doesn't mean you can't have it out in public,
and so there are laws that allow you to carry
certain things around. There are different less lethal items that
you could carry on you that you can use even
if you're not twenty one, and you can't carry a farm,
and a lot of these college kids are not old
enough to carry a farm because you can carry one
without a permit if you're twenty one, and you're legally
(13:58):
allowed to get a permit if you don't have a
criminal records.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But you can't do it on a college campus.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Can't least you can do it on a college campus.
You can keep one in your car on parked on
a college campus, but not you can't have one in
a structure on campus obviously, not in dorm rooms and
things like that or anything. It's campus, this university affiliated,
so you need to be careful, make sure you're abided
by the law. But you can't have pepper spray and
tasers and things like that.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
We're going to talk about that in the next segment.
We're going to talk about the less lethal options, the good,
the bad, and the oh don't that fall into those categories.
But I think I want to I want to end
this segment with where we started. You said the word
put the phones down and be aware.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, just be aware. Look around you, be aware of
what's happening because and and don't be afraid of offending someone.
A lot of times people will oh if I, if
I act afraid, you know what, you're going to offend people.
If you say the right thing or wrong things, somebody's
going to get offended. I get it. You don't want
to appear to be racist or sex sist or this
(14:57):
or that or whatever. But if someone's making giving you
the creepy feeling, trust your discernment, trust your judgment. You
know you don't want to get too far down that road.
I mean, just look at the way people are dressed,
Look at the way they're acting. They're posturing, their body language,
their eye contact. It will speak volumes and your instincts
(15:18):
tend to be pretty right, folks.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
The point of bringing this up here is I recognize
they're not a ton of young people. We have some
college students, some homeschool students, we have some high school
students that might be catching this. But the bottom line
is talk to your kids about this, whether they're on
this campus, on another campus somewhere else, let them listen
to this segment, get them thinking about it and the
(15:42):
obligatory and we're back. Charlie Strickland with me from the
Talent Training group Talent Range again Tellingrange dot Com. And
I texted Charlie earlier in the week. I said, Okay,
are there some things you definitely want to make sure
we cover?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
He said yes, So.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Every now and then you run across something. And I
saw something being shared on Facebook about this happened. And
the police officer told my friend and she told me
and blah blah blah blah blah, and it brought home
a point about less lethal stuff. And I went into
credit union one day and I'm sitting there. It's a
small credit union in a small town, and I'm talking
(16:23):
to the lady at the counter and I'm like, well,
and I look over behind next to her keyboard and
there's a can of washpray And I said, I'm looking
around the room and I said, you have many wasps
in here, and she goes, it's funny, nobody's ever mentioned
that before. And I said, you're not using that for
self defense, sorry, And she goes, she looks around and
she goes, we're not allowed to have any weapons in here.
(16:45):
And so my friend said, a police officer told them
that I should get a can of washpray, and I'm like,
you know, that doesn't work, and she goes, well, they
said that, you know, we have to be careful because
it could blind somebody. And out of this and it
was more effective, I said, no, it's got priorythroan in
it and it's like one percent, and that's designed to
work on insects, nervous systems, not people. And yes, it
(17:10):
can cause permanent blind It can cause blindness in people
if you get it in their eyes, but it's not
immediate if you sprayed it in your eyes. I've had
wash spray in my eyes before. Spraying washed above my
head got in my eye and I'm like, well that's
kind of that doesn't even burn, you know. And it's
got Patrollum products in it and different things in it
and carry it's not going to incapacitate anyone. It might
(17:31):
irritate them and in a few minutes it may cause
them some distress, but it's not immediate. It's not designed
for that, and it doesn't work for that. And so
people go, Okay, get a big can of wash spray.
It'll spray out to thirty feet you know what, so
will bear spray and it will work on people. And
it has a pretty effective because it's so there's so
(17:52):
much volume to it. You can buy bear spray that online.
The bear spray is not as strong as people spray,
I mean by regular O sea spray. It's a little
bit stronger than the bear spray. But the bear spray
projects a long stream. It goes way out there because
obviously if you got bears, you don't want to get
too close to them. And you can use it on
people because it's not a lethal item. You can carry it.
(18:14):
Now there's you can only carry so much pepper spray
on you. And the little handheld devices you can carry
those open and you can carry those concealed. You don't
have to do the Florida loaw allows you to carry
them either way. Something with a taser, you can carry
a taser openly or concealed on you. But but well,
(18:34):
the projectile can't fire more than fifteen sixteen feet and
most of the civilian tasers or fifteen feet. But the
problem with a taser is is both probes have to
contact at a certain distance away from each other. In
order to get a proper spread, both probes have to
contact the body or there cannot be more than a
two inch gap between where it hits into clothing and
(18:56):
to work. There's a lot of issues with you only
get one shot. They cost as much as a handgun,
and you know it's they're effective if if you don't
have anything else. Pepper spray is effective about half the time,
I mean on half the people. I mean, it's not
a fantastic weapon, but it's better than nothing. I mean,
(19:18):
you know, so I would carry it. I tell people
to carry. We sell it in a store where you
can buy it lose. I mean you can get it anywhere.
I would encourage people to get some sort of a weapon.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Forty one minutes past the hour final segment here with
Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group. Remember just go
to talentrange dot com for some training burnas Sean Hannity
talks about them all the place, they're becoming more and
more popular. We people writing in asking about burners because they,
for example, might be a contractor at a state university
(19:48):
and they're used to carrying, but they can't carry on campus.
They follow the rules even though bad people.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Don't.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Can they carry not burners on campus?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
No, that is so disappointing.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I'll do some research and I'll look at exactly what
the law says. And they've been getting back to you.
They don't know the whole reason, but I do know
that they cannot. So, but Burna's you know, when they
first came out with Berna and it was just marketed heavily.
They have a heavy marketing and conservative talk circles too,
they have Burna. So Burna is a pepper ball. It
(20:19):
is a paintball, just like a paintball gun like kids
go play with and they'd have the paintball. When then
you know they got all these paintball tournaments and stuff
like that. They're you're shooting a paintball and they hurt,
especially if you hit at bear skin or anything that's
not padded. They do hurt. They leave a whelp. I mean,
we used to use paintballs in and plastic bullets and stuff,
and our and our training courses, I have shot hit
(20:41):
a lot of depth. There's some deputy old deputies out
there listening and they've been through our training or do
serpentine training, and they had they had plastic bullets and
marking cartridges. And I had a paintball gun and if
they got out from behind cover, I'd eat them up.
I mean, and I've seen guys leave there with whelps
on them. They hurt, but you know, we use them
on each other. So you take that technology and you
(21:01):
feel it. Instead of paint, you fill it with olerism
CAP says and powder O C powder, and so you
get that respiratory effect as well as the pain from
the thing hitting you. It's more effective than pepper spray,
except that you know, if you get it up on
the upper part of the body where the powder gets
in your face, so you have the pain, compliance you
(21:23):
have the respiratory effect and the blinding effect of the
pepper powder.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Is there a difference when they combine the projectile with
not just the pepper, but the tear gas component as well.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I mean, it has the same basic effect. So C
S and O C are two of the chemical components
we use in a tactical environment. You know, O C
is more of a irritant to the mucous membranes and
the eyes. It's more of a it's more of that.
A C S has more of a I forget the
(21:58):
name of it. That's a bigger just a bigger word,
but it's it's a little different effect. You put the
two together. Yeah, you're going to have you're gonna have
a little bit more more of more effective chemical compound. However,
it's still not it's not a gun. Okay, so understand
you're not carrying a gun. Uh, you might distract people
(22:19):
with it. That might if they may think they're being
shot because it's shaped like a gun. It may sound
under stress. You know, it's pop pop pop. They're getting
the impact. But keep in mind, it is a distractor.
It is a It causes a pause in combat, and
that's all you can expect from most less lethal weapons.
That is going to get their attention. It's going to
(22:42):
distract them. It's going to give you a moment or
two to try to get away. It's not going to
when you know, we were talking on a break. I
consider incapacitating when they say, what does it incapacitate people?
To me, that's it stops them from doing anything to you,
and it detains It makes them lay there and wait
for somebody to get there. I don't can consider that incapacitating.
All it does is a distractor to me. It gets
(23:04):
their attention. They're solely focused on what's going on with
their body at that point in time. Now, if they
are under the influence of drugs or they are mentally ill,
it may not have the physiological effects that you want
it to the physical effects that you want it to.
It may cause them to be angry, you know. And
(23:24):
then there are other things like handheld flashlights, you know,
impact weapons, things like that. I love a flashlight. I've
got a flashlight in my pocket. There's I noticed one
over there. Clip to your having a little bright light
you can shine in somebody's face, hold it in your hand,
push button on the back. You stab them in the
stab them in the ice, stab them in the temple
across the bridge of the nose, you know it as
a last resort.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It was my brother's favorite spot. To you, it's the
bridge of the nose.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Well. I mean, you take a little handheld device like
that and everybody knows how to stab. I mean, so
you know those having something on you, I mean the
little noise distraction devices. That's nothing. That's you know, keys
to your car and make your alarm go beat beep
or something. There's you got it, just don't. It's not
(24:07):
a lucky charm. It's not gonna make the world go away.
It's not gonna keep the evil, you know, the wolf
off your doorstep. You know you need to be you
need to develop the mindset actually commit violence, because that's
what it's gonna take to prevent violence. And then your
mindset changes, your the way you carry yourself, your posturing changes,
and you become less likely to be a victim. If
you look like you can, I can pick them out
(24:28):
of a lineup. I'll make eye contact with you. You're
way less likely to be a victim.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Thanks is always for coming in.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Charlie Strickland of the talent training group talentrange dot com
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