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We are discussing America at war in our segments with Dr. Ed Moore. Today, following the Spanish-American War and prior to the Great War ,,, what was happening in America and around the world.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
And so we begin howur number three Morning Ruminators. Welcome
Morning Show with Preston scottis Osey. I'm Preston and this
is doctor Ed Moore. Time for a little more history.
How are you from I'm great. Yeah, it couldn't be better.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, I warned everybody we were surprised. Well, I just
never am quite sure. You've been the bionic Man of late.
You've been going through a.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Lot, just donated a gallbladder as use.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
But you're feeling better.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yes, oh yeah, awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We were talking last time we visited about the Spanish
American War, and let's kind of pick up where we
left off.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah. The interesting thing to me about that phase of
history is if you go back into I mean, it
was the end of the eighteen hundreds, so the end
of the nineteenth century. What did the world look like then?
And there were still monarchies all over the place and
countries that people perceived as powerful and having influence and whatever,
and we really weren't one of them. We were a
(01:05):
giant market. The United States was a giant market that
emerged and my view emerged from the Spanish American War.
As we're here now, Hello, look at US.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
There's still a lot of remnant of the post Civil
War America at this point, right.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Sure, yeah, I mean and it still is today, so
with regional differences and whatever. But the Industrial Revolution was
taking place, or had been taking place. We had goods
to manufacture, we needed stuff from overseas. So all of
a sudden, Spain had been a world power for centuries,
they were not anymore. Here's the United States like, well
(01:43):
what do we do? And this is about a decade
right up to World War One where we were trying
to figure out what's our role on the world stage.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Were we like a big kid that didn't know how
strong he was?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah? Basically, Okay, I forget who said it in history
about Japan bomb Pearl harder, but we fear that.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
We've awakened the sleeping giant.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, and that's how that probably right up to World
War two, not just World War One. During that time frame,
we were feeling our outs, trying to figure out what
is our role and we weren't trying to police you
or bureaupe had always been a mess, I mean, it
had always been a mess. They were all fighting with
each other all the time and preparing for this I
(02:25):
went back and looked up and said, how many times
did England and France go to war against each other?
You lose count and when you if you google that
and you look, it's you know, they had one hundred
years war they had, I mean truly, and then like
in the thirteen hundreds, but every third year France and
England were back at war.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Isn't that what though?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Informed our founders all of that turmoil of Europe.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, well and people leaving it going, yeah, we got
to get the heck out of here. And so when
you look at that time frame right around nineteen hundred
that they're different countries that you wouldn't identify as today
as really having much info. Bulgaria and Italy and its
world powers, well you know, the Austro Austro Hungary monarchy
(03:14):
and Germany. There's Germany and Germany's sitting there watching all
of this go on, right and figuring, hey, we can
leverage some of this. So you had some crazy alliances
that started being formed during this time frame, and there's
eight or ten things we can run through in the
next segment of what led to World War One? Why
(03:34):
did this become a kind of a worldwide battle? Not
so much. In the East. Japan was a little bit
involved in it because Japan and Russia had been at war.
I mean, it's you know, there's all these little wars
going on all over the world. It's an interesting time
frame to study, and very little of it is studied.
(03:54):
I mean, if I asked you what started World War One,
you would probably say the Arts Duke Ferdinand getting assassinated. No.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I would not have said that.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Okay, well, most that's what they teach you it was.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I would have sat here with a very silly look
on my face, going, I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
No idea. I actually had the privilege to I did
some work in Bosnia after the after that war, you know,
between Bosnia and Croatia and Serbia major war. But while
I was in Sarajevo, I went and stood on the bridge.
There's a bridge right there in Sarajevo, across the small
(04:32):
one across this little river, where the Arts Duke actually
was assassinated right on this bridge by by six Serbian Bosnians.
Principe I think was the guy, the main guy that
actually shot him, uh, and that triggered that gave Austria
Hungary the opportunity to invade Serbia because they blamed Serbia
(04:55):
for the assassination that took place in Bosnia. It's this
is how complex all stuff, but they wanted to do
it anyway. Well, when they invaded Servia, that was the
last trigger for the beginning of World War One.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Where unpacking it This Morning with Doctor Ed Moore a
cleverly entitled segment called more History here on The Morning
Show with Preston Scott, Doctor Ed Moore said, when he
grabbed a bottle of water out of my fridge, he said,
I'm only gonna open it if I need it. We're
one segment in and he grabs the water. One segment in.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
One it's medication. I'm honest, it makes me thirsty.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We're talking about that time frame between the Spanish American War.
Give us a context from an age perspective.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
What year are we talking here?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
From eighteen ninety eight to nineteen fourteen. We really didn't
get involved in the First World War until seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Were we dragged in pretty much? Yeah, So let's talk
about the events that got us there.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, it's a whole bunch of them. There was the
Franco Russian War, you think of the powers that be
at that time, Russia, this is pre revolution. Russia was
the cizarre running stuff, very poor country, ad country, a
lot of people starving, but they still wanted to project
themselves as a world power. England and France had been
(06:22):
not great alliances. But here comes this upstart Germany and
Austria Hungary, this triumvirate. There of folks that are much
more militant. The result of around eighteen ninety or so,
maybe is eighteen seventy, that group, the Austria Hungary Empire,
(06:48):
took Alsace Lorraine from France in another small, small war.
There were no kinds of small wars going on at
the end of the annexing two big regions of France
that were big for industry and industrial development. And so
Germany and with their allies looked at this and that
(07:08):
we're going to grow. And we started growing a bigger
military and getting more militant. Russia was sort of floating
around there by themselves. The growth of Germany made Russia go,
we need some better allies because they had actually been
at war in the Franco Prussian War. France had been
at war with Prussia what was called Prussia, which is
(07:30):
really Germany, Austria, Hungary. So Russia said, well, we'll ally
with France, and then France and England had reached sort
of a dtente and they were together, so the three
of them became the Western Powers, and then other little
countries joined them. And then on the east side you
had Italy trying to figure out what it wants to do.
(07:51):
You had this group really wanting to so many wars
that they get jumbled in your head. Russia actually went
to war warre Japan got their butts kicked, lost most
of their fleet came back, so then they're looking for
something to do. Germany's looking for something to do. Nobody
trusts anyway, And mentally I went back to try to
(08:12):
figure out why why are there wars? Why have we
had all these wars all the time? And I come
up with four reasons. Basically, one is man being man.
We're just inclined to do stupid things. You know, that's easy,
no argument. Greed and coveting. Then your neighbour's assets, whether
(08:33):
it's just pure land.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Or see previous statement on man on man.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
There you go, hurt feelings. They actually came up with
a French term for this, that's called ravancism, which is
basically in a translation, means revenge. But somebody does something.
You might have a little battle or something going on
in during this time frame, and I remember wars. Then
they could have a war and it didn't threaten the
(08:58):
rest of the world. And the last is access to transportation.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And materials resources.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
What we're seeing now with Russia and the Ukraine, the
anex Crimea. They want access to the sea, those kinds
of things. So it's not always understandable as to why
countries go to the war. Like I said before, the
trigger and the ultimate trigger in World War One was
Austria Hungary invading Serbia because they thought Serbia had something
(09:31):
to do with their air Archduke Ferdinand being assassinated. Think
of the world during that time frame, there was lots
of little monarchies all over. They weren't all democracies. One
of the benefits of World War One that occurred was
all those monarchies pretty much got tossed to the side.
And yeah they did, and you know, you had the
(09:51):
Russian to Russian revolutions during that time frame, but the
rest of the world went more democratic. They had elected parliaments,
and the world got more stable. Try to create the
League of Nations after that? Uh than quite work, But
then the United Nations came out of that that was
needed at the time. Not so good.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Now back with doctor ed Moore one two minutes past
the hour. Time flies when you're having fun. Here we
are the final segment.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Already have we've gotten past my first page of thought? Here?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
When do you ever we are not going to cover
World War One today. We're dealing with the time frame
and the events leading to it.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah. Well, if you think of those four points I
made before too, and then think of the map of
the globe Africa for example, Well, all of those monarchies
and they were all had gone aground the world and
taken land. We're off the area we're talking about. How
the US really never was that way. We didn't We
(10:55):
had our land, we didn't have to go get us.
But all these countries that are kind of landlocked or small,
I mean the Dutch and the French and the English.
They Africa was split up. Yeah, well then they started fighting.
This also led to the They had a Moroccan crisis
in a North African crisis during this fourteen years or so,
(11:16):
where Germany would poke France and their little territory and
they'd have these little minor battles and skirmishes, but it
just kept adding to the temperature. The temperature slowly, slowly
kept rising. There was a Bosnian annexation crisis. I did
work in Bosnian. It's an interesting place. In the nineties, Bosnia, Serbia,
(11:41):
and Croatia were all at war with each other. Still
in the nineteen nineties, go back one hundred years, they
were all fighting. Serbians have always been very militant, always
wanted to be bigger than they were. Austria Hungary didn't
like that. They feared a Balkan nation being formed back
during this time for it.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
When you say Austria Hungary is Germany part of that
part of it, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
But it's the Empire. When they would call the empire,
those three countries or three areas, three monarchies, and Bismarck
and all of that group from out of Germany Kaiser
Wilhelm he emerged. Bismarck was more of a reputation as that,
but he was more of a diplomat figuring out a
Wilhelm wasn't. He was very aggressive. He wanted Germany to
(12:30):
become the Joe Biden knew him. I think he worked
for him at one time, or actually he was on
the payroll. Anyway, They they feared the development of a
Balkan state that would have been all of these areas
but together plus Macedonia which is in Albania, these countries
that are all in that giant peninsula. So there was
(12:53):
that fear going on and coveting their neighbors, goods and land.
I mean, so you had that going on. You had
an attack Italian war with Turkey that that part Mesopotaate
what used to be Mesopotamian, the Bible studies and all.
I mean they divided up. Turkey wanted to be a
world power and actually Britain invaded Turkey. Was it Gallopy
(13:15):
or Gallup the big battle there where they got their
butts kicked. Mel Gibson made a movie about it and
as a soldier from Australia going to fight in Turkey.
Turkey pushed them back, but then Turkey got weakened. Then
somebody else attacked them him. It was this is going
on all the time during this time frame. The biggest
(13:37):
business to be in during that timeframe was munitions because
somebody was always at war and you were going to
do well. So then you had the Balkan Wars, after
the Italian Turkish War. Think of all. Think of the
map of Europe and Eastern Europe, and there's always some
flame going on somewhere all around there, all coming down
(13:58):
to the archde Ferdinand and his wife. I think Sophie
traveling in a car in Sarajevo, driving across the bridge
and bam got assassinated. Sometimes all it takes is that
one giant explosion that happened that causes a bigger and
that was spark. Yeah, the assassination was used as leverage
(14:22):
to get into war. In battle, the United States sat
back of World War One started in nineteen fourteen. My
grandfather out of Gainesville, Florida. They pulled people together. Nineteen
seventeen he went in the army and went to France.
And there was the old saying, how are you going
to keep him down on the farm after they've seen Perri. Well,
(14:45):
my grandpa did that out of a small southern family,
went to France and didn't really come back till he
retired to Florida. Because he came he saw the big
world and went to New York and went in business.
And that's what changed the nature the United States. When
we were sending people had never been to Europe. I mean,
(15:05):
it wouldn't travel. You didn't jump on the boat plane.
Now we've been there, we've done that. It changed the
nature of interesting expectations. What people came back wanting to
do and where they wanted to go. And my pop
with and my uncle Rufus, they were two of those.
They went and did that and then came back and
never came back to Florida until much much later. Because
(15:27):
there was opportunity
And so we begin howur number three Morning Ruminators. Welcome
Morning Show with Preston scottis Osey. I'm Preston and this
is doctor Ed Moore. Time for a little more history.
How are you from I'm great. Yeah, it couldn't be better.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, I warned everybody we were surprised. Well, I just
never am quite sure. You've been the bionic Man of late.
You've been going through a.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Lot, just donated a gallbladder as use.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
But you're feeling better.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yes, oh yeah, awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We were talking last time we visited about the Spanish
American War, and let's kind of pick up where we
left off.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah. The interesting thing to me about that phase of
history is if you go back into I mean, it
was the end of the eighteen hundreds, so the end
of the nineteenth century. What did the world look like then?
And there were still monarchies all over the place and
countries that people perceived as powerful and having influence and whatever,
and we really weren't one of them. We were a
(01:05):
giant market. The United States was a giant market that
emerged and my view emerged from the Spanish American War.
As we're here now, Hello, look at US.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
There's still a lot of remnant of the post Civil
War America at this point, right.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Sure, yeah, I mean and it still is today, so
with regional differences and whatever. But the Industrial Revolution was
taking place, or had been taking place. We had goods
to manufacture, we needed stuff from overseas. So all of
a sudden, Spain had been a world power for centuries,
they were not anymore. Here's the United States like, well
(01:43):
what do we do? And this is about a decade
right up to World War One where we were trying
to figure out what's our role on the world stage.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Were we like a big kid that didn't know how
strong he was?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah? Basically, Okay, I forget who said it in history
about Japan bomb Pearl harder, but we fear that.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
We've awakened the sleeping giant.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, and that's how that probably right up to World
War two, not just World War One. During that time frame,
we were feeling our outs, trying to figure out what
is our role and we weren't trying to police you
or bureaupe had always been a mess, I mean, it
had always been a mess. They were all fighting with
each other all the time and preparing for this I
(02:25):
went back and looked up and said, how many times
did England and France go to war against each other?
You lose count and when you if you google that
and you look, it's you know, they had one hundred
years war they had, I mean truly, and then like
in the thirteen hundreds, but every third year France and
England were back at war.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Isn't that what though?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Informed our founders all of that turmoil of Europe.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, well and people leaving it going, yeah, we got
to get the heck out of here. And so when
you look at that time frame right around nineteen hundred
that they're different countries that you wouldn't identify as today
as really having much info. Bulgaria and Italy and its
world powers, well you know, the Austro Austro Hungary monarchy
(03:14):
and Germany. There's Germany and Germany's sitting there watching all
of this go on, right and figuring, hey, we can
leverage some of this. So you had some crazy alliances
that started being formed during this time frame, and there's
eight or ten things we can run through in the
next segment of what led to World War One? Why
(03:34):
did this become a kind of a worldwide battle? Not
so much. In the East. Japan was a little bit
involved in it because Japan and Russia had been at war.
I mean, it's you know, there's all these little wars
going on all over the world. It's an interesting time
frame to study, and very little of it is studied.
(03:54):
I mean, if I asked you what started World War One,
you would probably say the Arts Duke Ferdinand getting assassinated. No.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I would not have said that.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Okay, well, most that's what they teach you it was.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I would have sat here with a very silly look
on my face, going, I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
No idea. I actually had the privilege to I did
some work in Bosnia after the after that war, you know,
between Bosnia and Croatia and Serbia major war. But while
I was in Sarajevo, I went and stood on the bridge.
There's a bridge right there in Sarajevo, across the small
(04:32):
one across this little river, where the Arts Duke actually
was assassinated right on this bridge by by six Serbian Bosnians.
Principe I think was the guy, the main guy that
actually shot him, uh, and that triggered that gave Austria
Hungary the opportunity to invade Serbia because they blamed Serbia
(04:55):
for the assassination that took place in Bosnia. It's this
is how complex all stuff, but they wanted to do
it anyway. Well, when they invaded Servia, that was the
last trigger for the beginning of World War One.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Where unpacking it This Morning with Doctor Ed Moore a
cleverly entitled segment called more History here on The Morning
Show with Preston Scott, Doctor Ed Moore said, when he
grabbed a bottle of water out of my fridge, he said,
I'm only gonna open it if I need it. We're
one segment in and he grabs the water. One segment in.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
One it's medication. I'm honest, it makes me thirsty.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We're talking about that time frame between the Spanish American War.
Give us a context from an age perspective.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
What year are we talking here?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
From eighteen ninety eight to nineteen fourteen. We really didn't
get involved in the First World War until seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Were we dragged in pretty much? Yeah, So let's talk
about the events that got us there.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, it's a whole bunch of them. There was the
Franco Russian War, you think of the powers that be
at that time, Russia, this is pre revolution. Russia was
the cizarre running stuff, very poor country, ad country, a
lot of people starving, but they still wanted to project
themselves as a world power. England and France had been
(06:22):
not great alliances. But here comes this upstart Germany and
Austria Hungary, this triumvirate. There of folks that are much
more militant. The result of around eighteen ninety or so,
maybe is eighteen seventy, that group, the Austria Hungary Empire,
(06:48):
took Alsace Lorraine from France in another small, small war.
There were no kinds of small wars going on at
the end of the annexing two big regions of France
that were big for industry and industrial development. And so
Germany and with their allies looked at this and that
(07:08):
we're going to grow. And we started growing a bigger
military and getting more militant. Russia was sort of floating
around there by themselves. The growth of Germany made Russia go,
we need some better allies because they had actually been
at war in the Franco Prussian War. France had been
at war with Prussia what was called Prussia, which is
(07:30):
really Germany, Austria, Hungary. So Russia said, well, we'll ally
with France, and then France and England had reached sort
of a dtente and they were together, so the three
of them became the Western Powers, and then other little
countries joined them. And then on the east side you
had Italy trying to figure out what it wants to do.
(07:51):
You had this group really wanting to so many wars
that they get jumbled in your head. Russia actually went
to war warre Japan got their butts kicked, lost most
of their fleet came back, so then they're looking for
something to do. Germany's looking for something to do. Nobody
trusts anyway, And mentally I went back to try to
(08:12):
figure out why why are there wars? Why have we
had all these wars all the time? And I come
up with four reasons. Basically, one is man being man.
We're just inclined to do stupid things. You know, that's easy,
no argument. Greed and coveting. Then your neighbour's assets, whether
(08:33):
it's just pure land.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Or see previous statement on man on man.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
There you go, hurt feelings. They actually came up with
a French term for this, that's called ravancism, which is
basically in a translation, means revenge. But somebody does something.
You might have a little battle or something going on
in during this time frame, and I remember wars. Then
they could have a war and it didn't threaten the
(08:58):
rest of the world. And the last is access to transportation.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And materials resources.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
What we're seeing now with Russia and the Ukraine, the
anex Crimea. They want access to the sea, those kinds
of things. So it's not always understandable as to why
countries go to the war. Like I said before, the
trigger and the ultimate trigger in World War One was
Austria Hungary invading Serbia because they thought Serbia had something
(09:31):
to do with their air Archduke Ferdinand being assassinated. Think
of the world during that time frame, there was lots
of little monarchies all over. They weren't all democracies. One
of the benefits of World War One that occurred was
all those monarchies pretty much got tossed to the side.
And yeah they did, and you know, you had the
(09:51):
Russian to Russian revolutions during that time frame, but the
rest of the world went more democratic. They had elected parliaments,
and the world got more stable. Try to create the
League of Nations after that? Uh than quite work, But
then the United Nations came out of that that was
needed at the time. Not so good.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Now back with doctor ed Moore one two minutes past
the hour. Time flies when you're having fun. Here we
are the final segment.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Already have we've gotten past my first page of thought? Here?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
When do you ever we are not going to cover
World War One today. We're dealing with the time frame
and the events leading to it.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah. Well, if you think of those four points I
made before too, and then think of the map of
the globe Africa for example, Well, all of those monarchies
and they were all had gone aground the world and
taken land. We're off the area we're talking about. How
the US really never was that way. We didn't We
(10:55):
had our land, we didn't have to go get us.
But all these countries that are kind of landlocked or small,
I mean the Dutch and the French and the English.
They Africa was split up. Yeah, well then they started fighting.
This also led to the They had a Moroccan crisis
in a North African crisis during this fourteen years or so,
(11:16):
where Germany would poke France and their little territory and
they'd have these little minor battles and skirmishes, but it
just kept adding to the temperature. The temperature slowly, slowly
kept rising. There was a Bosnian annexation crisis. I did
work in Bosnian. It's an interesting place. In the nineties, Bosnia, Serbia,
(11:41):
and Croatia were all at war with each other. Still
in the nineteen nineties, go back one hundred years, they
were all fighting. Serbians have always been very militant, always
wanted to be bigger than they were. Austria Hungary didn't
like that. They feared a Balkan nation being formed back
during this time for it.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
When you say Austria Hungary is Germany part of that
part of it, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
But it's the Empire. When they would call the empire,
those three countries or three areas, three monarchies, and Bismarck
and all of that group from out of Germany Kaiser
Wilhelm he emerged. Bismarck was more of a reputation as that,
but he was more of a diplomat figuring out a
Wilhelm wasn't. He was very aggressive. He wanted Germany to
(12:30):
become the Joe Biden knew him. I think he worked
for him at one time, or actually he was on
the payroll. Anyway, They they feared the development of a
Balkan state that would have been all of these areas
but together plus Macedonia which is in Albania, these countries
that are all in that giant peninsula. So there was
(12:53):
that fear going on and coveting their neighbors, goods and land.
I mean, so you had that going on. You had
an attack Italian war with Turkey that that part Mesopotaate
what used to be Mesopotamian, the Bible studies and all.
I mean they divided up. Turkey wanted to be a
world power and actually Britain invaded Turkey. Was it Gallopy
(13:15):
or Gallup the big battle there where they got their
butts kicked. Mel Gibson made a movie about it and
as a soldier from Australia going to fight in Turkey.
Turkey pushed them back, but then Turkey got weakened. Then
somebody else attacked them him. It was this is going
on all the time during this time frame. The biggest
(13:37):
business to be in during that timeframe was munitions because
somebody was always at war and you were going to
do well. So then you had the Balkan Wars, after
the Italian Turkish War. Think of all. Think of the
map of Europe and Eastern Europe, and there's always some
flame going on somewhere all around there, all coming down
(13:58):
to the archde Ferdinand and his wife. I think Sophie
traveling in a car in Sarajevo, driving across the bridge
and bam got assassinated. Sometimes all it takes is that
one giant explosion that happened that causes a bigger and
that was spark. Yeah, the assassination was used as leverage
(14:22):
to get into war. In battle, the United States sat
back of World War One started in nineteen fourteen. My
grandfather out of Gainesville, Florida. They pulled people together. Nineteen
seventeen he went in the army and went to France.
And there was the old saying, how are you going
to keep him down on the farm after they've seen Perri. Well,
(14:45):
my grandpa did that out of a small southern family,
went to France and didn't really come back till he
retired to Florida. Because he came he saw the big
world and went to New York and went in business.
And that's what changed the nature the United States. When
we were sending people had never been to Europe. I mean,
(15:05):
it wouldn't travel. You didn't jump on the boat plane.
Now we've been there, we've done that. It changed the
nature of interesting expectations. What people came back wanting to
do and where they wanted to go. And my pop
with and my uncle Rufus, they were two of those.
They went and did that and then came back and
never came back to Florida until much much later. Because
(15:27):
there was opportunity
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