August 13, 2025 • 25 mins
J.D. Johnson of the Talon Range weighed-in on the news cycle and the lessons it offers on personal safety in and out of the workplace.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
If I passed the hour eight in the Eastern time zone,
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appreciate you sharing time with us. We really do. We
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And so we are joined by J. D. Johnson, co
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founder Talent Training Group, co host Talent Outdoors, any other
talent things that we're branding here. Have you heard the
story when my wife and I went up through I
want to say it was Kentucky where we ran across
signs for the Talent Winery and I looked at her.
I said, Charlie and Jady, you're getting ambitious.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Long is this scupping on one? And you know, I
mean I know a little bit about that.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Oh and talent Adventures or what is it that you
guys are doing your trips?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, I guess yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You're anyway, good to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
How are you? I'm doing great? How about you?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Good? We are starting in New York City and just
as just fate would have had would have it where
that shooting took place in downtown Manhattan, you were there
a week before.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yep, sure was well right by that building. Remember looking
at the signs and going, Wow, the building's got a
lot of different, big, big entities in it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
When you started to hear the specifics, and as you know,
we leave names out. We don't want to give any
credibility or honor to the shooting, to shooters in these
types of ridiculous crimes. When you recognized that, oh, this
was a shooting in Manhattan, I was there, does it
bring a little more context to you?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Oh? Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
What what immediately starts running through your mind.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
The fact that nobody engaged him walking down the sidewalk
with an ar or with a rifle. Uh. You know,
that's just if you've never been there. I mean, there's
everybody walks in those areas because everything is so compact
and cluster together, and you you know, you walk down
the street and you look up and you can't see
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the top. You know, it's like being in the redwood
forest and it's akuoia trees. I mean, it's just just
but everybody walks. It's Uh, there was one day we
were up there and we like my watch said the
twenty five thousand steps that day. You know, just trying
to see things. But and there's law enforcement everywhere milling around,
walking the street, standing on the corners. So I was
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I was very shocked that he actually got into the
building with the with a very openly carried rifle. That
was That was the first thing, you know. And there's
a lot of building security up there as far as
having people posted places, you see a lot of.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Are security guards allowed to be armed in New York City?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I didn't see a lot of private security armed private security.
It's a lot of privates security, like if you go
to any of the we we went to a Target
store that was a Target that was right down the
street from where we were staying, to grab some drinks
and stuff for the refrigerator in the room. And they
had somebody standing at the door I'm assuming for you know,
for shoplifting, But they weren't armed. But you see a
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lot of a lot of law enforcement just kind of
hanging around, so I'm assuming that they're not posted there.
They're probably working off duty or whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And obviously we have to make a few assumptions in
talking about this, but but there was an armed security
guard inside. He was an off duty New York City
police officer right, and he got somehow someone got the
jump on him.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
He was shot in the back too, so you know
from what I understand that So he may have never
seen he may have never seen the threat period. He
may have been you know.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Distracted looking or yeah, just facing the wrong way, might
have been looking at his phone for all we.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Know, who knowsh.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
What do you think are the takeaways from a story
like that as it relates to people listening right now
that own a business, You need to.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Have some kind of security measures in place, depending on
what you know what your business is hard to do
that in a retail setting, but if you're not in
a retail setting, or you're not in a setting where
you get visitors on a regular basis, and even if
you do, you may want to have a buzz in
system or somebody at least somebody there at the front
door that can defend the facility if necessary.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
That conversation needs to be had by every business regardless,
because as we talked about when we discussed this story,
nobody went to work that day in that office building
expecting that to happen.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
But you could tell they had had some training. The
barricading some of them. You know, they barricaded the doors
very well. It probably would have been a much higher
loss of life had they not been somewhat prepared, somebody
at least showing them a video.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
And therein is sort of the backhanded way of reinforcing
what we've been saying for years. Absolutely, have a plan,
have a plan.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Some kind of plans better than no plan.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
So if you're a business owner, your manager, maybe have
a meeting, maybe talk about it among your leadership team.
And if you're an employee, maybe suggest one. Yeah, the
headline in a Fox News story a few days after
the shooting in New York City NYC office shooting raises
new corporate security concerns for business leaders, you mentioned that
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the calls went up after this attack.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yes, sir, we do. We do security surveys, you know,
go out and talk to businesses, companies, whatever entities. We
do a lot of that and as a company, we
do that, and yeah, we started getting calls.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
No one plan can be applied to all businesses for
the most part, unless you're looking at a chain where
they designed the buildings exact same way type thing. But
I've got to believe JD. There are common components to
those plans. Sure, what generally is when you do a
you're looking at a place and then you're sitting down
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and you're coming up with what you think your recommendations
are going to be. Are there some common themes in
those recommendations.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, you you know, the first one is the actual
physical barricade security of the building. And you know, no
easy access doors that nobody's watching. The last thing you
want is for somebody to get in that you don't
even know they're in the building to do something bad.
So you would be surprised that. I mean, there's people
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that have, Uh it's something as simple as let's say
you've got magnetic door locks, kind of like you guys
here have here at the studio. You got doors that
will secure without physically turning a dead bolt or whatever.
Doors just some of them are just physical maintenance problems.
The door doesn't close all the way, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Fix it, fix the door.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
It is not you know, get the door fix. You
run a multi million dollar facilities sometimes and the door
doesn't close all the way. You know, that's a simple fix.
Put a new hydraulic door closer on it. You know,
like you got here on your door there that that
hydraulic system that pulls the door shut. You know, fix it,
readjust it whatever it needs to be.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
How many times do you see something where it's simply
people becoming comfortable and leaving a door unlicked because it's
just easier for everybody to come in and out.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Exactly. It's it's I hate to say it is. Sometimes
it's just laziness. It's just it's it's you know, And
like I said about New York, there there's such a
gun unfriendly city area. Nobody expects anybody to have guns there,
and especially in cause it's just no guns because because
the law there's the law on the book says no gun.
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So everybody's gonna abide by that right, which is the
most ludicrous attitude you could possibly have. So I'm sure
that they there's probably a great deal of you know,
just complacency people there is. They don't expect people to
have a gun like we do here. You know, it's
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it's it's common to carry a gun here, for people
to carry guns. There's a whole lot of people that
carry guns concealed here up there. That's not their culture.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
You said something that I think is worth repeating, and
that is think like a bad guy.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, that's that's kind of what we have to do
when we when we go and look at facilities, or
we get asked to come to a security survey or
training or whatever else is. We have to go and
think like a bad guy. You know, what would be
the my most as a bad guy? What would be
my highest probability of success to carry out whatever heinous
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act that I'm trying to do? You know, you have
to put yourself in that place and then and then
go about mentally, at least exercise what would I do.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I know that this is a topic that everybody's going
to handle this differently and even react to my mentioning
it an estranged husband, And I'm gonna just be sexist
here for a second, because oftentimes the perpetrators are males.
Absolutely in a broken relationship you're not going to be
with anybody else type thing, or in a strange boyfriend.
These are the types of things you kind of need
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to make your supervisors aware of for the safety of
everybody in there. Hey, you're used to seeing Bruce come
to the office all the time. He's not welcome here anymore.
Makes somebody aware of it.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Absolutely. I mean that is that is probably the number
one attributor to this kind of this kind of behavior,
you know, a broken relationship, relationship, you know, just domestic
domestic issues, or somebody that you made really mad that
doesn't you know, you you may aggravate somebody to the
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point where it flips a switch somewhere and there. I'm
gonna go down there and kill everybody in that building
because they wouldn't do this for me, right, whatever that is.
But you have to you can't think rationally about You
can't put yourself as a rational person. How would I
handle this offense to me? You got to think as
somebody that's off there, you know there.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, rational people have trouble thinking irrationally. Yeah, and they
and people that are irrational kind of count on that. Yep.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
We've got a lot more stories in the news and
we're going to talk about them.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
J D.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Johnson with me from the Talent Training Group. Remember Talent
training all right, that's where you can get some classes.
You can learn how to better prepare for what may
come your way, protect yourself, your family. Go to talentrange
dot com. Back with JD. Johnson of the Talent training group.
Normally we end these segments with a training tip, but
there's just so many stories. I don't know that we'll
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get to one. So I'll simply say call JD. Charlie
at Talent and set up and go to a class.
How about that? Does that work?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Learn a bunch of stuff. Yeah, I was sharing with you.
This story was confounding to me. Guy named Lee Ogler,
young Man, thirty nine, Danville, Virginia, Danville City council member.
It's really irrelevant. A guy who had a grudge with
him showed up at his office where he worked with
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a five gallon bucket of gasoline, poured it on him,
let him on fire. How do you stop that?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Not let him? Not let the guy get that close
to you with a bucket of anything.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Because and you know why I'm asking this. Is it
that simple?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah? I mean so, here's the issue with a flammable
is that you've if you had a gun and all
of a sudden you covered in gas and now you
pull your trusty blaster out and set it off, You're
probably gonna be the one igniting the gas. But yeah,
if you see somebody that has told you or there's
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a history, there's a history there, there was a history
there in this case, Yes, I'm not gonna let that
guy get close to me with much of anything in
his hand that I don't know exactly if I don't know,
unless it's a twinkie, you know something that I know
exactly what it is. So there's other things other than
flammables that you can there's other liquids that could have
been acid. It could have been a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And we've seen attacks like that in various parts of
the World's happened here before. The throwing gas on somebody
has happened, happened here, happened in this country.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You just don't ever know what what a road, what
what crooked road? The crazy guy's brain's going to go down.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
In a way. This again reinforces our constant theme of
situational awareness and that you just have to think differently.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Absolutely you do. And it's it's like I said, I
I don't know. If that guy's mad at me and
he walks in with a with a bucket in his hand,
if he ain't drinking out of it, then you're not
fixing to get close to me. If I know you
and I have an issue. So, like I said, I
think I could articulate at least the presentation of a
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of of a firearm or a weapon or you know,
if not, if not the deadly force, I could articulate
that with the unknown of what's in there. But there
could be something bad. That's just like somebody pointing a gun.
Actually are a BB gun. You don't know if it's
loaded or if it's a deadly weapon whatever, but it
looks like it could be sure, So yeah, I think
you can easily articulate that.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I think it's it's it's also useful to remember that
these things are never appointments.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
No, No, They happen when we're least least expecting it.
And that's that's part of the you know, that's part
of living in a state of awareness. When you're out
in public and not locked behind your door with the
alarm on, that's a that's a that's a being in public.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And I suppose a reminder that would be useful would
be taking inventory of your life. If you've got someone
that you know is an enemy, you need to be
mindful of that person and you surroundings.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Absolutely, and there's you know, I don't I don't know
that I have any, and I hope I never have.
I hope I never do have any. Sure, you you
know you live in the public public eye. Me too
to an extent, so you know you you don't ever
know who you really offended until sometimes it's too late, right, Uh.
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So you live in that state of awareness where you're
always paying attention to anybody making eye contact with you
or approaching you in public or whatever. You need to
be attentive to that.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And we're back. I have to do it once. I
can't help myself. Jadi Johnson of the Talent Training Group
with us this morning our personal defense segment for the
month of August. Can you believe it?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Time flies when you're having fun?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Oh my goodness, gracious, finally a more well, at least
there is. There's a hero, yes, one of us. Yeah, right,
guys stabbing him. Bunch of people late twenties to senior adults,
and he stopped by a marine. I always get in
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trouble when I say former marine because marines will write
me say.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You're retired or you're never retired, not active duty marine.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Right, I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I'm sorry he didn't have the haircut. He's a not
active duty marine.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Boy, but did he have everything else?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yes, sir, that was awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Let's talk about the prevalence and the growing use of
a knife.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You know, it hadn't just started, we're but it is growing.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I mean, quite honestly, it's now the thing to use
in England because it has been. Yeah, that's the weapon
of choice now, but it is becoming more prevalent and
the dangers associated with it. I mean, we saw that
kid in a track meet stab a fellow competitor in
the chest and kill him for.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Much easier to conceal. It's much easier to conceal a
knife than it is a fararm, right, they're not. Some
people don't look at them as a weapon period, which they.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Very much are absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You know, in a phone booth, I'd probably rather have
a knife than a gun if I'm tied up in
a phone booth with somebody, if I had to defend myself,
because it doesn't run out of bullets and it doesn't jam,
and it is always going to work. If I had
to defend myself with a knife, that's a real personal
thing when you you but crazy people don't think the
way we do you know it's so you don't ever
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know what's going through that guy's head. But yeah, you're
not unarmed if you have a knife and you're willing
to use it.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Distance is your friend if dealing with somebody with a knife.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Absolutely, absolutely, But you also have to understand that there
are some distances that can be just because of reaction time.
You know, you're talking about twenty feet. If they're within
twenty feet of you and you're just just say you're
carrying a firearm concealed and your adversary is armed with
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a knife and they're less than twenty feet away, there's
a good probability you're gonna get cut before you can
get your gun out and engage him.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, talk about that distance closing thing.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, so this reactionary gap is what I'm talking about.
It's gonna take you, probably from a concealed carry in
a holster you're looking at if you're really fast, a
second and a half to recognize the threat, engage, draw
your weapon, come up, get the weapon into a functional position.
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It's gonna take you a second and a half two
seconds to make that happen, because it's gonna take you
three quarters of a second to recognize the threat, and
people don't account for that. So before you can draw
and shoot, somebody can very easily close a twenty foot gap.
You're talking for most people, four steps, you know, before
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you're within arms reach of somebody, So you can close
that reactionary gap if you haven't trained to or haven't
prepared mentally to change direction or get off the tracks
as we call it. You know, a step to the left,
or a couple of steps to the left, moving to
the left, moving to the right, retreating, moving backwards when
somebody's aggressing you. So, and that's there's a drill out there.
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I didn't know the name to it. It's called the
tool or drill where you practice moving and drawing.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
But a lot of.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
People don't practice that way, you know, they stand in
one place on a square range and shoot. Yeah, just
have a great stance. And you've heard me say on
this show, I'm pretty sure if your stance is really good,
your tactics are terrible. That's what I'm talking about. You know,
if you're you've got a great shooting stance, your tactics
are horrible because in real life, time doesn't freeze and
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nothing stands it's not. It's not. It's never a static situation, right, So,
like I said, some body with a knife can do
you a whole bunch of damage and a really short
amount of time.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Guy stabbed eleven people before he was stopped, and there
was somebody there actually trying to get in the way
of the guy with the knife and the man trying
to stop. It all unbelievable the video.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Because you've got a pre you've got to prejudice against
the guy with the gun there, or you're you're assuming
that he's the bad guy because he has a gun.
And that's that's a that's a television and leftist behavior
and the only bad guys have guns. Things that we
get pounded into our head every day on the media
with the media.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
The growing threat of knives just simply tells me once again,
be aware of your surroundings because you just don't know
who have exactly right. Forty one minutes after the hour,
you know, there was a time that I enjoyed the
idea of of going camping, and I will admit on
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the front end, I don't I don't have enough faith
in the people that are around me and put myself
in a tent and not have my perimeter secured, if
that makes any sense at all. Sure, And and so
the story of the couple in Arkansas, we now know
that the Brinks, Clinton and Kristen were protecting their daughters
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potentially from some encounter with with the guy who would
be their murderer. But I want to back up and
just talk about security for yourself and your family when
you're out camping or just in this case, yes, they
were camping, but this was just walking a trail.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, terrible. Well, there's a reason that even in Florida,
even where we're not an open carry state, there is
a there is a statute statute on the books in
Florida that if you were hunting, camping, fishing, hiking out
in the woods, you can openly carry. You don't have
to carry concealed. You can openly carry in those situations
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because you're not just worried about and this crazy guy
being on the trail with you is just one of
many dangers you can that there are in Florida. You've
got you know, you've got bears, and you've got you've
got Florida black bears. They will eat you. Yes, they're
they're not cuddly, lovable.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, we've had a fatality in the last month.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
They will eat you. You've got alligators, You've got you've
got snakes, You've got poisonous snakes, and a lot of
these things. A lot of these animals you can avoid,
but you never know. There could be something wrong with
and whatever. There's all kinds of situations that you may
have to defend yourself in the woods because you've got
mother nature. But it's out to do what mother nature does.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It's that loner that's got a.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Living in the woods because he can't live around people.
And then now all of a sudden you have entered
his domain. And you know, I mean, it's just how
do you don't go away? Preston? You know, how do you.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Enjoy or we can't even go there. There's just I'm
even saying it. You can't and you can't do that.
What is the prudent thing to do? If you're out camping,
whether you are a fit male and you got your
act together, you're with your wife, you're with your wife
and your children, what in your mind is like bare minimum?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
So I never go into the woods without a without
a knife or in a gun. I don't personally. Usually
when I'm in the woods, you're carrying. Oh yeah, and
it will Usually I spend more time in the woods
during hunting season, so I'm there for a reason and
sure so, but yeah, I'm gonna have some kind of weapon.
I'm you know, if I'm camping, I'm gonna have a hatchet.
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I'm gonna have a hatchet close by, because you use
that kind of stuff catching you're camping. I always forget
the tent pegs or whatever. You know, I might need
to cut a cut a limb or make make make
your own right whatever. So you know, those are the
kind of things that you carry when you're camping. Bear spray,
the big cans of oc uh oliah resincapsation. Bear spray
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is not a bad idea.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
If you are out and you've decided you're going to
carry for the purposes of just personal protection for whether
it's people or animals. And are you carrying a revolver?
Are you carrying semi automatic?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Depends on where I'm at, but a semi automatic most
of the time, I have a I have a I
carry a glock ten millimeter, which is a little bit bigger,
more powerful than I would carry every day. But that's
that's what I usually carry it.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
And you're carrying outside the waistband with that thing.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
No, I'm carrying it on a chest rig. Okay, I
A I have a chest rig that the gun is
basically planted right up here at the top of my chest,
so my waistband is free. And if I'm going through
the bushes or woods or whatever, I'm not have something
pulling on my holster.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Gotcha.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
People that hunt in sure enough bear country up north,
you know, you go out fishing and fly fishing in Montana,
you won't find one of those guys up there that's
not armed with a fairly large caliber firearm, probably carried
in some manner where they can get to it fly
fishing because a grizzly bear attack or black beer attack, whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Is this a wise way to think about it. I
will not live my life assuming everybody's my enemy. But
I'm not going to live my life assuming everyone's going
to be my friend.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
That's very safe to say, you know, I'm I don't
assume anybody is my enemy until they behave that way,
you know I've I don't. I'd like to say everybody
I meets a friend but you know that's that's not realistic,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
But that's one of those things. Again. Be aware of
your surroundings. Even in the wilderness. You got to be
there as well, and trust your discernment. If you if
you see somebody that just sends the wrong signals, wrong vibes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Try to get away from them, don't you know, Get
away from them as quickly as possible if you can.
I'm not saying you turn around and run, yeah, yeah,
but uh but yeah, just get away from them. Uh,
you know, and if they and they're pursue you at
that point, then you know, then you know for sure,
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you know, running from a predator will almost always trigger
a predatory response, which is to chase.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I hope next time we visit we don't have to
talk about a bunch of stories like this, and then yeah,
good to see you.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Thank you. JD.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Johnson with me from the Talent Training group forty seven
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And so we are joined by J. D. Johnson, co
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founder Talent Training Group, co host Talent Outdoors, any other
talent things that we're branding here. Have you heard the
story when my wife and I went up through I
want to say it was Kentucky where we ran across
signs for the Talent Winery and I looked at her.
I said, Charlie and Jady, you're getting ambitious.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Long is this scupping on one? And you know, I
mean I know a little bit about that.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Oh and talent Adventures or what is it that you
guys are doing your trips?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, I guess yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You're anyway, good to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
How are you? I'm doing great? How about you?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Good? We are starting in New York City and just
as just fate would have had would have it where
that shooting took place in downtown Manhattan, you were there
a week before.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yep, sure was well right by that building. Remember looking
at the signs and going, Wow, the building's got a
lot of different, big, big entities in it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
When you started to hear the specifics, and as you know,
we leave names out. We don't want to give any
credibility or honor to the shooting, to shooters in these
types of ridiculous crimes. When you recognized that, oh, this
was a shooting in Manhattan, I was there, does it
bring a little more context to you?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Oh? Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
What what immediately starts running through your mind.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
The fact that nobody engaged him walking down the sidewalk
with an ar or with a rifle. Uh. You know,
that's just if you've never been there. I mean, there's
everybody walks in those areas because everything is so compact
and cluster together, and you you know, you walk down
the street and you look up and you can't see
(02:09):
the top. You know, it's like being in the redwood
forest and it's akuoia trees. I mean, it's just just
but everybody walks. It's Uh, there was one day we
were up there and we like my watch said the
twenty five thousand steps that day. You know, just trying
to see things. But and there's law enforcement everywhere milling around,
walking the street, standing on the corners. So I was
(02:32):
I was very shocked that he actually got into the
building with the with a very openly carried rifle. That
was That was the first thing, you know. And there's
a lot of building security up there as far as
having people posted places, you see a lot of.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Are security guards allowed to be armed in New York City?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I didn't see a lot of private security armed private security.
It's a lot of privates security, like if you go
to any of the we we went to a Target
store that was a Target that was right down the
street from where we were staying, to grab some drinks
and stuff for the refrigerator in the room. And they
had somebody standing at the door I'm assuming for you know,
for shoplifting, But they weren't armed. But you see a
(03:18):
lot of a lot of law enforcement just kind of
hanging around, so I'm assuming that they're not posted there.
They're probably working off duty or whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And obviously we have to make a few assumptions in
talking about this, but but there was an armed security
guard inside. He was an off duty New York City
police officer right, and he got somehow someone got the
jump on him.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
He was shot in the back too, so you know
from what I understand that So he may have never
seen he may have never seen the threat period. He
may have been you know.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Distracted looking or yeah, just facing the wrong way, might
have been looking at his phone for all we.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Know, who knowsh.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
What do you think are the takeaways from a story
like that as it relates to people listening right now
that own a business, You need to.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Have some kind of security measures in place, depending on
what you know what your business is hard to do
that in a retail setting, but if you're not in
a retail setting, or you're not in a setting where
you get visitors on a regular basis, and even if
you do, you may want to have a buzz in
system or somebody at least somebody there at the front
door that can defend the facility if necessary.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
That conversation needs to be had by every business regardless,
because as we talked about when we discussed this story,
nobody went to work that day in that office building
expecting that to happen.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
But you could tell they had had some training. The
barricading some of them. You know, they barricaded the doors
very well. It probably would have been a much higher
loss of life had they not been somewhat prepared, somebody
at least showing them a video.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
And therein is sort of the backhanded way of reinforcing
what we've been saying for years. Absolutely, have a plan,
have a plan.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Some kind of plans better than no plan.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
So if you're a business owner, your manager, maybe have
a meeting, maybe talk about it among your leadership team.
And if you're an employee, maybe suggest one. Yeah, the
headline in a Fox News story a few days after
the shooting in New York City NYC office shooting raises
new corporate security concerns for business leaders, you mentioned that
(05:35):
the calls went up after this attack.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yes, sir, we do. We do security surveys, you know,
go out and talk to businesses, companies, whatever entities. We
do a lot of that and as a company, we
do that, and yeah, we started getting calls.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
No one plan can be applied to all businesses for
the most part, unless you're looking at a chain where
they designed the buildings exact same way type thing. But
I've got to believe JD. There are common components to
those plans. Sure, what generally is when you do a
you're looking at a place and then you're sitting down
(06:13):
and you're coming up with what you think your recommendations
are going to be. Are there some common themes in
those recommendations.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, you you know, the first one is the actual
physical barricade security of the building. And you know, no
easy access doors that nobody's watching. The last thing you
want is for somebody to get in that you don't
even know they're in the building to do something bad.
So you would be surprised that. I mean, there's people
(06:42):
that have, Uh it's something as simple as let's say
you've got magnetic door locks, kind of like you guys
here have here at the studio. You got doors that
will secure without physically turning a dead bolt or whatever.
Doors just some of them are just physical maintenance problems.
The door doesn't close all the way, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Fix it, fix the door.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
It is not you know, get the door fix. You
run a multi million dollar facilities sometimes and the door
doesn't close all the way. You know, that's a simple fix.
Put a new hydraulic door closer on it. You know,
like you got here on your door there that that
hydraulic system that pulls the door shut. You know, fix it,
readjust it whatever it needs to be.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
How many times do you see something where it's simply
people becoming comfortable and leaving a door unlicked because it's
just easier for everybody to come in and out.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Exactly. It's it's I hate to say it is. Sometimes
it's just laziness. It's just it's it's you know, And
like I said about New York, there there's such a
gun unfriendly city area. Nobody expects anybody to have guns there,
and especially in cause it's just no guns because because
the law there's the law on the book says no gun.
(07:54):
So everybody's gonna abide by that right, which is the
most ludicrous attitude you could possibly have. So I'm sure
that they there's probably a great deal of you know,
just complacency people there is. They don't expect people to
have a gun like we do here. You know, it's
(08:15):
it's it's common to carry a gun here, for people
to carry guns. There's a whole lot of people that
carry guns concealed here up there. That's not their culture.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
You said something that I think is worth repeating, and
that is think like a bad guy.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, that's that's kind of what we have to do
when we when we go and look at facilities, or
we get asked to come to a security survey or
training or whatever else is. We have to go and
think like a bad guy. You know, what would be
the my most as a bad guy? What would be
my highest probability of success to carry out whatever heinous
(08:50):
act that I'm trying to do? You know, you have
to put yourself in that place and then and then
go about mentally, at least exercise what would I do.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I know that this is a topic that everybody's going
to handle this differently and even react to my mentioning
it an estranged husband, And I'm gonna just be sexist
here for a second, because oftentimes the perpetrators are males.
Absolutely in a broken relationship you're not going to be
with anybody else type thing, or in a strange boyfriend.
These are the types of things you kind of need
(09:22):
to make your supervisors aware of for the safety of
everybody in there. Hey, you're used to seeing Bruce come
to the office all the time. He's not welcome here anymore.
Makes somebody aware of it.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Absolutely. I mean that is that is probably the number
one attributor to this kind of this kind of behavior,
you know, a broken relationship, relationship, you know, just domestic
domestic issues, or somebody that you made really mad that
doesn't you know, you you may aggravate somebody to the
(09:55):
point where it flips a switch somewhere and there. I'm
gonna go down there and kill everybody in that building
because they wouldn't do this for me, right, whatever that is.
But you have to you can't think rationally about You
can't put yourself as a rational person. How would I
handle this offense to me? You got to think as
somebody that's off there, you know there.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, rational people have trouble thinking irrationally. Yeah, and they
and people that are irrational kind of count on that. Yep.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
We've got a lot more stories in the news and
we're going to talk about them.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
J D.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Johnson with me from the Talent Training Group. Remember Talent
training all right, that's where you can get some classes.
You can learn how to better prepare for what may
come your way, protect yourself, your family. Go to talentrange
dot com. Back with JD. Johnson of the Talent training group.
Normally we end these segments with a training tip, but
there's just so many stories. I don't know that we'll
(10:47):
get to one. So I'll simply say call JD. Charlie
at Talent and set up and go to a class.
How about that? Does that work?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Learn a bunch of stuff. Yeah, I was sharing with you.
This story was confounding to me. Guy named Lee Ogler,
young Man, thirty nine, Danville, Virginia, Danville City council member.
It's really irrelevant. A guy who had a grudge with
him showed up at his office where he worked with
(11:16):
a five gallon bucket of gasoline, poured it on him,
let him on fire. How do you stop that?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Not let him? Not let the guy get that close
to you with a bucket of anything.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Because and you know why I'm asking this. Is it
that simple?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah? I mean so, here's the issue with a flammable
is that you've if you had a gun and all
of a sudden you covered in gas and now you
pull your trusty blaster out and set it off, You're
probably gonna be the one igniting the gas. But yeah,
if you see somebody that has told you or there's
(11:54):
a history, there's a history there, there was a history
there in this case, Yes, I'm not gonna let that
guy get close to me with much of anything in
his hand that I don't know exactly if I don't know,
unless it's a twinkie, you know something that I know
exactly what it is. So there's other things other than
flammables that you can there's other liquids that could have
been acid. It could have been a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And we've seen attacks like that in various parts of
the World's happened here before. The throwing gas on somebody
has happened, happened here, happened in this country.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You just don't ever know what what a road, what
what crooked road? The crazy guy's brain's going to go down.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
In a way. This again reinforces our constant theme of
situational awareness and that you just have to think differently.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Absolutely you do. And it's it's like I said, I
I don't know. If that guy's mad at me and
he walks in with a with a bucket in his hand,
if he ain't drinking out of it, then you're not
fixing to get close to me. If I know you
and I have an issue. So, like I said, I
think I could articulate at least the presentation of a
(13:05):
of of a firearm or a weapon or you know,
if not, if not the deadly force, I could articulate
that with the unknown of what's in there. But there
could be something bad. That's just like somebody pointing a gun.
Actually are a BB gun. You don't know if it's
loaded or if it's a deadly weapon whatever, but it
looks like it could be sure, So yeah, I think
you can easily articulate that.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I think it's it's it's also useful to remember that
these things are never appointments.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
No, No, They happen when we're least least expecting it.
And that's that's part of the you know, that's part
of living in a state of awareness. When you're out
in public and not locked behind your door with the
alarm on, that's a that's a that's a being in public.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And I suppose a reminder that would be useful would
be taking inventory of your life. If you've got someone
that you know is an enemy, you need to be
mindful of that person and you surroundings.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Absolutely, and there's you know, I don't I don't know
that I have any, and I hope I never have.
I hope I never do have any. Sure, you you
know you live in the public public eye. Me too
to an extent, so you know you you don't ever
know who you really offended until sometimes it's too late, right, Uh.
(14:21):
So you live in that state of awareness where you're
always paying attention to anybody making eye contact with you
or approaching you in public or whatever. You need to
be attentive to that.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And we're back. I have to do it once. I
can't help myself. Jadi Johnson of the Talent Training Group
with us this morning our personal defense segment for the
month of August. Can you believe it?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Time flies when you're having fun?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Oh my goodness, gracious, finally a more well, at least
there is. There's a hero, yes, one of us. Yeah, right,
guys stabbing him. Bunch of people late twenties to senior adults,
and he stopped by a marine. I always get in
(15:08):
trouble when I say former marine because marines will write
me say.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You're retired or you're never retired, not active duty marine.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Right, I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I'm sorry he didn't have the haircut. He's a not
active duty marine.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Boy, but did he have everything else?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yes, sir, that was awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Let's talk about the prevalence and the growing use of
a knife.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You know, it hadn't just started, we're but it is growing.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I mean, quite honestly, it's now the thing to use
in England because it has been. Yeah, that's the weapon
of choice now, but it is becoming more prevalent and
the dangers associated with it. I mean, we saw that
kid in a track meet stab a fellow competitor in
the chest and kill him for.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Much easier to conceal. It's much easier to conceal a
knife than it is a fararm, right, they're not. Some
people don't look at them as a weapon period, which they.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Very much are absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You know, in a phone booth, I'd probably rather have
a knife than a gun if I'm tied up in
a phone booth with somebody, if I had to defend myself,
because it doesn't run out of bullets and it doesn't jam,
and it is always going to work. If I had
to defend myself with a knife, that's a real personal
thing when you you but crazy people don't think the
way we do you know it's so you don't ever
(16:31):
know what's going through that guy's head. But yeah, you're
not unarmed if you have a knife and you're willing
to use it.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Distance is your friend if dealing with somebody with a knife.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Absolutely, absolutely, But you also have to understand that there
are some distances that can be just because of reaction time.
You know, you're talking about twenty feet. If they're within
twenty feet of you and you're just just say you're
carrying a firearm concealed and your adversary is armed with
(17:03):
a knife and they're less than twenty feet away, there's
a good probability you're gonna get cut before you can
get your gun out and engage him.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, talk about that distance closing thing.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, so this reactionary gap is what I'm talking about.
It's gonna take you, probably from a concealed carry in
a holster you're looking at if you're really fast, a
second and a half to recognize the threat, engage, draw
your weapon, come up, get the weapon into a functional position.
(17:37):
It's gonna take you a second and a half two
seconds to make that happen, because it's gonna take you
three quarters of a second to recognize the threat, and
people don't account for that. So before you can draw
and shoot, somebody can very easily close a twenty foot gap.
You're talking for most people, four steps, you know, before
(17:59):
you're within arms reach of somebody, So you can close
that reactionary gap if you haven't trained to or haven't
prepared mentally to change direction or get off the tracks
as we call it. You know, a step to the left,
or a couple of steps to the left, moving to
the left, moving to the right, retreating, moving backwards when
somebody's aggressing you. So, and that's there's a drill out there.
(18:23):
I didn't know the name to it. It's called the
tool or drill where you practice moving and drawing.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
But a lot of.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
People don't practice that way, you know, they stand in
one place on a square range and shoot. Yeah, just
have a great stance. And you've heard me say on
this show, I'm pretty sure if your stance is really good,
your tactics are terrible. That's what I'm talking about. You know,
if you're you've got a great shooting stance, your tactics
are horrible because in real life, time doesn't freeze and
(18:52):
nothing stands it's not. It's not. It's never a static situation, right, So,
like I said, some body with a knife can do
you a whole bunch of damage and a really short
amount of time.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Guy stabbed eleven people before he was stopped, and there
was somebody there actually trying to get in the way
of the guy with the knife and the man trying
to stop. It all unbelievable the video.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Because you've got a pre you've got to prejudice against
the guy with the gun there, or you're you're assuming
that he's the bad guy because he has a gun.
And that's that's a that's a television and leftist behavior
and the only bad guys have guns. Things that we
get pounded into our head every day on the media
with the media.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
The growing threat of knives just simply tells me once again,
be aware of your surroundings because you just don't know
who have exactly right. Forty one minutes after the hour,
you know, there was a time that I enjoyed the
idea of of going camping, and I will admit on
(19:57):
the front end, I don't I don't have enough faith
in the people that are around me and put myself
in a tent and not have my perimeter secured, if
that makes any sense at all. Sure, And and so
the story of the couple in Arkansas, we now know
that the Brinks, Clinton and Kristen were protecting their daughters
(20:19):
potentially from some encounter with with the guy who would
be their murderer. But I want to back up and
just talk about security for yourself and your family when
you're out camping or just in this case, yes, they
were camping, but this was just walking a trail.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, terrible. Well, there's a reason that even in Florida,
even where we're not an open carry state, there is
a there is a statute statute on the books in
Florida that if you were hunting, camping, fishing, hiking out
in the woods, you can openly carry. You don't have
to carry concealed. You can openly carry in those situations
(21:00):
because you're not just worried about and this crazy guy
being on the trail with you is just one of
many dangers you can that there are in Florida. You've
got you know, you've got bears, and you've got you've
got Florida black bears. They will eat you. Yes, they're
they're not cuddly, lovable.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, we've had a fatality in the last month.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
They will eat you. You've got alligators, You've got you've
got snakes, You've got poisonous snakes, and a lot of
these things. A lot of these animals you can avoid,
but you never know. There could be something wrong with
and whatever. There's all kinds of situations that you may
have to defend yourself in the woods because you've got
mother nature. But it's out to do what mother nature does.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It's that loner that's got a.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Living in the woods because he can't live around people.
And then now all of a sudden you have entered
his domain. And you know, I mean, it's just how
do you don't go away? Preston? You know, how do you.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Enjoy or we can't even go there. There's just I'm
even saying it. You can't and you can't do that.
What is the prudent thing to do? If you're out camping,
whether you are a fit male and you got your
act together, you're with your wife, you're with your wife
and your children, what in your mind is like bare minimum?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
So I never go into the woods without a without
a knife or in a gun. I don't personally. Usually
when I'm in the woods, you're carrying. Oh yeah, and
it will Usually I spend more time in the woods
during hunting season, so I'm there for a reason and
sure so, but yeah, I'm gonna have some kind of weapon.
I'm you know, if I'm camping, I'm gonna have a hatchet.
(22:36):
I'm gonna have a hatchet close by, because you use
that kind of stuff catching you're camping. I always forget
the tent pegs or whatever. You know, I might need
to cut a cut a limb or make make make
your own right whatever. So you know, those are the
kind of things that you carry when you're camping. Bear spray,
the big cans of oc uh oliah resincapsation. Bear spray
(22:58):
is not a bad idea.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
If you are out and you've decided you're going to
carry for the purposes of just personal protection for whether
it's people or animals. And are you carrying a revolver?
Are you carrying semi automatic?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Depends on where I'm at, but a semi automatic most
of the time, I have a I have a I
carry a glock ten millimeter, which is a little bit bigger,
more powerful than I would carry every day. But that's
that's what I usually carry it.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
And you're carrying outside the waistband with that thing.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
No, I'm carrying it on a chest rig. Okay, I
A I have a chest rig that the gun is
basically planted right up here at the top of my chest,
so my waistband is free. And if I'm going through
the bushes or woods or whatever, I'm not have something
pulling on my holster.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Gotcha.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
People that hunt in sure enough bear country up north,
you know, you go out fishing and fly fishing in Montana,
you won't find one of those guys up there that's
not armed with a fairly large caliber firearm, probably carried
in some manner where they can get to it fly
fishing because a grizzly bear attack or black beer attack, whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Is this a wise way to think about it. I
will not live my life assuming everybody's my enemy. But
I'm not going to live my life assuming everyone's going
to be my friend.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
That's very safe to say, you know, I'm I don't
assume anybody is my enemy until they behave that way,
you know I've I don't. I'd like to say everybody
I meets a friend but you know that's that's not realistic,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
But that's one of those things. Again. Be aware of
your surroundings. Even in the wilderness. You got to be
there as well, and trust your discernment. If you if
you see somebody that just sends the wrong signals, wrong vibes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Try to get away from them, don't you know, Get
away from them as quickly as possible if you can.
I'm not saying you turn around and run, yeah, yeah,
but uh but yeah, just get away from them. Uh,
you know, and if they and they're pursue you at
that point, then you know, then you know for sure,
(24:57):
you know, running from a predator will almost always trigger
a predatory response, which is to chase.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I hope next time we visit we don't have to
talk about a bunch of stories like this, and then yeah,
good to see you.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Thank you. JD.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Johnson with me from the Talent Training group forty seven
minutes past the hour. Remember, get your training, do some shooting,
do practical things you know that might save your life
at talentrange dot com.
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