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Speaker 1 (00:04):
If I passed the hour third hour Tuesday in the
Morning Show with Preston Scott. Great to be with you, friends.
Hope you enjoyed your weekend and appreciated the reason why
you got to enjoy your weekend. That's ose in Studio
one A. I am here in Studio one B, and
I am joined by our friend from the Heritage Foundation.
He's Senior Legal Fellow and manager of the Supreme Court
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Apellate Advocacy Program at the Heritage Foundation. Our friend Zach Smith,
proving once again that knowles and gators can play together. Hello, sir,
how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm doing well. Thanks so much for having me on
the show this morning.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm really excited because this is the first time we're
talking about something where I did not initiate. The contact
is saying Zach helped me understand something, because this is
a whole nother world here. I have been sharing with
listeners about your appointment, but I want to back up
a little bit, Zach, how does one get appointed a
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trustee of a state university here in Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, I appreciate you asking. Preston. The governor was nice
enough to ask me to serve on the board of Trustees,
and so I was very pleased to accept. I'd already
been serving on the Pensacola State College or local community
college here in Pensacola, on their board of trustees, and
so the governor asked me to also serve on the
University of West Florida's board, and I'm happy to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So this is going to sound so silly, but I
think people want to know what is it that got
you on the radar of Florida's governor.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Or.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Let's be honest, the people that are probably surrounding him
and advising him. What puts you on the radar is
somebody that would be useful to help the University of
West Florida because best as I can tell, it needs
some help.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well, it does, Preston. And look, I'm a lifelong resident
of Pensacola, Florida. I worked for the Heritage Foundation. I
live in Pensacol. I served our community as an assistant
US attorney. I thought at the University of West Florida.
I've been teaching freshman government there for many, many years now,
and so I know our community and I know the
university in particular, and as you mentioned, unfortunately some of
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the things that have been happening at the university over
the past past several years, particularly as it comes to diversity,
equity and inclusion initiatives, are not where they needed to be.
And so I stepped in and had a very interesting
first board meeting a couple of weeks ago, and I'm
working to try to make sure that not only is
the university complying with Florida's relevant laws, but more importantly,
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that the focus is on the students and making sure
that the students did the best education that they deserve.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I know that we are in a state that has
a law Sunshine law prevails, and so there's probably nothing
I'm going to ask you that's really off the record,
because it all is on the record. When you showed
up at that first meeting, did you have a list
of questions you wanted answers to or because you've been
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on faculty there, you're very well versed on the good,
the bad, and the ugly of the university. Did you
go in already with a bit of an agenda on
a whiteboard.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, I don't know if I would call it an
agenda press and I did have questions I wanted answers too.
I wanted to ask the president why some of the
certain troubling things I had seen take place at the university,
why they had taken place, Why either she or her
staff thought it was appropriate to promote certain activities or
certain speakers at the university. And if they didn't think
it was appropriate, what steps have been put in place
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to make sure that future instances would not take place
again in the future. And I'll give you one example.
One of the things I asked the president at that
board meeting is why she thought it was appropriate for
the university, the university itself to co sponsor a drag
show called Drag Me to Hell. The President talked a
lot about inclusion, talked a lot about making students still welcomed,
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respect for all viewpoints. And my point to her was,
you know, I disagree with the university co sponsoring your
drag show, but even if you didn't, would it make
religious students feel welcomed? Would it make them feel included
to essentially have their religion mocked by Dragney to Hell
drags show? I don't think so, And unfortunately I didn't
receive a satisfactory answer from the president at that meeting.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Levin passed the hour. Zach Smith with me, Yes with
Heritage Foundation. But we're talking about his role as trustee
at the University of West Florida. Zach, you mentioned some
topics you brought up and asked questions of the university
president before we get to the president specifically and the
status of the president in light of some rumors floating
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around the day in state news. What what was the
tone in the room as as you could best determine
from other fellow trustee members.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Well, this was a virtual meeting. Unfortunately, some of the
trustees who had been on the university board for some time,
some of the trustees who had been on the board
while these activities were taking place, were not supportive of
my questions. In fact, one of my fellow trustees has
been on the board for some time said that he
supported the rights of students to have drag shows that
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he was offended by my line of questioning and unfortunately
chose to engage in an add hominum personal attack without
really addressing the issues that I brought up. But look,
my goal president, and I made this clear when I've
talked about this. When I was talking, you know, to
the Florida Senate, I start to be confirmed by the
Florida Senate. Is my duty as a trustee is to
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do what's best for the students, to do what's best
for the faculty and staff, and to do what's best
for the community and the university overall. And so if
that means sometimes asking some difficult questions, if that sometimes
means asking me some uncomfortable questions for the president and
others on staff who are there, I'm okay doing that,
and I think I have a duty to do just that.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Well, by the virtue of your appointment, we settle the
fact that this is not a private university, it is
a publicly funded university. Don't some of these programs run
a foul of what state law determines now is appropriate.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, I think that's certainly a concern. Obviously, there was
discussion about a grant that the Governor's office had flagged
a previously a Florida Dog more specifically, had flagged about
potentially running a foul. Now the university administration says that
it doesn't run a foul of current DEI prohibitions. I'm
not convinced, but we're going to take a close look
at all of that, and look, Preston, Look, there's a
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lot of really talented faculty and staff in students at
the University of West Florida. Unfortunately, I think there's been
a culture where students who may have a certain religious inclination,
where students who may have a different political view, typically
a more conservative world view than many of the fact
that the of staff there have been mixed up, silenced,
They're not free to express their views. And I'm committed
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to changing that so that all students can feel free
to express their religious beliefs, can feel free to express
their political beliefs, whether or not I agree with them,
on campus, and she can freely engage in a free
exchange of ideas. That should be the goal of really
all of higher education.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Zach Smith with me, Trustee University of West Florida. Zach
the president of the university. Who is president right.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Now, Well, it was that it is doctor Martha Sanders,
but in fact doctor Sondras. She resigned about a week
after that board meeting where I asked her some of
those difficult questions. Apparently she did not want to answer
many of those questions that gave her, so she has
submitted her resignation, and in fact, we're talking at a
good time present. I have a board of trustees meeting
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in just about an hour where we're going to discuss
who should be the interim president of the University of
West Florida. We're going to stand up a search committee
to look for the future president at the University of
West Florida. Instead of all your listeners, I say stay tuned.
The University of West Florida is an excellent institution. There
have been some problems. We're working to address those, and
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I'm confident that going forward, this will be not only
an institution to serve our community and a region, but
a conservative students in our state and across the nation.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Twenty one minutes past the hour final segment, here was
Zach Smith. Yes, professionally with the Heritage Foundation, but he
serves as a trustee at the University of West Florida.
Governor Ron de Santas appointed him. He was confirmed by
the State Senate. Zach. Before we get back to the
University of West Florida, your alma mater is apparently narrowed
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down their president's search to the current president of the
University of Michigan, Santa Ono oh no, I mean, oh.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
No, Yeah. Well, look, I'm very troubled by some of
the past statements that President Ono has made. Obviously, if
you go on social media, they're very easy to find.
He's been a very strong advocate of certain DEI type initiatives.
He's given land acknowledgements before many of his speeches, and
so he's held very radical views in the past on
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some issues where I veemently would disagree with him. Now,
Santa Ono, he said he has recently converted. He seemed
to like he's a skewed many of those previous positions
and says he is now anti DEI forward treating everyone equal. Now,
that's a very recent conversion, Preston. That seems to have
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come about about the same time the University of Florida
president's job came open. So take that, yeah, take that
for what you will. But the University of Florida Border
Trustees is a meeting this morning to decide whether to
move his nomination forward or not. But I certainly think
there are very proubling statements he's made, very real questions
that need to be asked about whether his newfound commitment
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to antide at policies is indeed.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Genuine tell me about the search for an interim. The
reports today in Politico Florida stay that Manny Diaz, the
Commissioner of Education for the state, is likely to be
chosen as the interim. Is that something that you think
is on the radar?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, I have to be a little bit circumspect about
what I say, Preston, As I mentioned the University of
West Florida Boarder Trustees, we're meeting in about an hour
to take up this very question. What I can say
is that I appreciate Ny Diaz's work as the Commissioner
of Education. I'm a big fan. I think it'd be
a fantastic selection to be an interim if he is
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chosen to do that. But we'll talk about that at
the border trustees meeting later this morning, but that is
certainly in the news this morning and over the weekend
as well.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You've mentioned that before even taking the appointment as trustee,
you were aware of and concerned about and interested in
the affairs of the University of West Florida, and as
much as you were able, you constructed a bit of
a list of things that you think ought to be priorities,
at least from your chair as a trustee, give us
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a top two or three things on that list.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, well we'll preston. I think in universities we should
be committed to the free, fair exchange of ideas, even
ideas we may disagree with. The student voices should not
be silenced or one preferred political narrative be pushed. And unfortunately,
where addressed with President Saunders at the last board meeting,
you had Marxist ideology being uncritically promoted, you had a
radical transgender ideology being uncritically promoted to students, and those
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are very, very troubling things. So I think we have
to get back to the basic blocking and tackling of
if fostering an environment where free, open debate can occur.
Then on the heels of that, we have to also
make sure the students are getting an affordable education, that
they are able to go into the workforce, the needs
of businesses and other entities in our region so that
they can get good, high paying jobs, get a good
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return on their education. And then obviously, because UWF and
Pensacola State, we sit in Pensacola, we have a large
military population here, we're home with the Blue Angels, yeah,
and the Air Force members over at EGLIN. I think
it's important that we make sure that we're adequately serving
our active duty military personnel and our veterans for seeking
to transition into civilian lives. And so those will be
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just a few of my focuses as a member of
the board of trustees of PSC and UWF, and I'm
excited to stay engaged and help move both of these
institutions into the future.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
As if you're not spending enough place, you also mentioned
that you are a professor teaching at a state college,
Pensacola State College. What kind of professor are you?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You? Tough?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Are you a tough grade? I mean, are are you well?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It depends on who you ask. Preston, I have a
I bought freshening government at both Pensacola State and the
University of West Florida. I'm not in the fall since
I'm a newly appointed trustee, but look, I focus on
the founding of our country. I focus on the ideals
that made our country great, and I've enjoyed the experience
and I hope to get back to teaching that freshman
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government class relatively soon.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
What's a timeline for an interim, and what's a timeline
for that interim to serve before the search really focuses
on a permanent president or do you feel like I
mean to the trustees, and I know you can only
speak for yourself, Zach, but do you think there's a
feeling that an interim needs to get in there and
kind of settle things for a little while.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well, we will talk about that as a board meeting
later today. Of President Sonders. Her resignation is effective ninety
days from the date seat she submitted it. We can
waive that we can shorten that time period if the
Board of Trustees sales we need to do that, or
Doctor Sonders we'd like us to do that. I think
we'd certainly consider that, But so we have a little
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bit of time if we need to. But look, I
think once the interim is in there, they'll kind of
get the lay of the land, look at some of
the problems we flagged, and likely take steps to address those.
But I'm excited. I think we're getting ready to turn
a corner corner here, Preston, and I think is a
bright future in front of the University of West Florida. Zach.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Thanks so very much. I appreciate the time this morning.
Best of success in the meeting today.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Of course, thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Thank you, Zach Smith, Heritage Foundation trustee. Now we've got
an end at the University of West Florida, just saying,
just saying, see we're spreading our tentacles like a hydra. Yeah, anyway,
good would you love to be in his government class
freshman government? Come on, dude from Heritage Foundation teaching your kids.
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That's a reason to send your kid to Pensacola State College.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Right there.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
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