November 6, 2025 • 25 mins
In our monthly personal defense segment, J.D. Johnson, Talon Training Group, came in to discuss the history and purpose of the 2nd Amendment; how Open Carry is going in Florida; the best thing to know if someone pulls a knife, and some considerations for holiday shopping season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We do have one hour left and we are joined
by co founder, co host of All Things Talon. He
is JD. Johnson. Hello, sir, how are.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You good morning?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm good. Appreciate you pinch hitting, especially under duress. It happens,
you're under duress. Never, Yes, you are. Man. You've had
two youngins get married this year, one getting that's duress. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, my bike account will never be the same again.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Please not for a minute.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm excited my court Saturday Saturday evening and we're excited
about it, and.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So do weddings involving J D. Johnson. Kids have a
twenty one gun salute. No no, no, no, no, Okay,
you heard the story. We ended the hour on a
teacher being shot by a six year old in the classroom. JD.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You know, it's just the times we live in, unfortunately,
and you got people that are you know, sometimes busy,
maybe in lack of day physical about where their firearms
end up. And we can all be guilty of that.
You know it shouldn't be, but we we, you know,
get preoccupied with things. Yeah, and just on the parent's fault. Yeah,
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you know, in my opinion, there's a whole lot of
the kids behavior in general is sometimes the parent's fault.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Unless that six year old's dealing in the black market
fighting firearms, yeah, which I highly doubt. Yeah, hey tell
me this. I wanted I want to tea up this
topic for a couple of segments here because I know
you're you're a historian, you love this stuff, and I
think it's useful for people to just hear different perspectives
(01:42):
on topics that we cover on the show routinely, and
one of them is the reason why we have a
second Amendment. I think a lot of people don't fully
understand the depth of the reason why we have it.
And it wasn't us for.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Hunting, had zero to do with hunting, right, But that's
what a lot of people think.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Well, they had it there. The left tries to paint
it as though they had to hunt. They had to
hunt for their food. That's why they had it.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Now they were farmers, they didn't have to hunt for
their food. Farmers general generally speak and have livestock that
readily available to go harvest meat in the backyard or
in the in the pen. No, it's it's it's plain
and simple. You know, our founding fathers when they wrote
the Constitution, wrote the Bill of Rights. They were they
had been under tyrannical oppression for a long time. They've
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been under the King of England. And you know, sometimes
you have a benevolent, benevolent king and sometimes you don't.
So they wrote the Second Amendment and they put it
where it was, you know, and it's everybody jokes about it.
You can say whatever you want to say, as crazy
as it may be, but you need a gun. You
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better have a gun to back it up. The Second
Amendment is in place to what was put in place
to allow the overthrow of government, essentially, the overthrow if
you ended up with a bad tyrannical government, to allow militias,
which is the citizens. It's always been the citizens. It's
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never been a national Guard or it's always been the citizens.
What it was during the Revolutionary War, to allow them
to form and create a new government that represented the people.
If you read the you know, some of the other
papers and articles that went into the forming of our
Bill of Rights and our Constitution, they were all marching
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in the same direction, is that we have to be
able to have a citizen army to defend our freedom,
to defend our way of life, to defend our republic,
to prevent a tyrannical government from happening.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Back with Jad Johnson of the Talent Training Group our
personal defense segment, we'll get into more specific personal defense
related things, but the hub of all, the foundation for
all personal defense discussions is the Second Amendment. Our founders,
you know, not only did they learn from from the
rule of England, but they learned from the rule of
the other countries in Europe. They were looking at history
(04:21):
and what was happening, and they set us apart. For
that reason. You mentioned the militia. The actual militia today
are people just like I mean, yeah, your former law enforcement.
But they're people like you and me.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Right, Yeah, that that We're no different than the you know,
the the talk about the Continentals, Continental Army, this old Uh.
They were farmers that lived in the community. The guys
that fought in at Lexington and Concord didn't run up
to U Massachusetts from Georgia.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
They were just local guys. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
They were they were barkeepers, they were beer makers, they
were farmers, they were you.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Know, and they were under threat.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, they were cobblers, they were tinkers, they you know,
they were just guys, businessmen, community leaders, whatever else it said,
got together and said, we're done with this. We're done
with the king housing soldiers in our homes, taking our
property from us, telling us what we can and can't
do with our lives. And they stood up and faulted,
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you know, and died a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Even to today. I went and looked up the gun
laws in Venezuela. They changed dramatically in twenty thirteen. Look
what's happened, right socialism. They've disarmed the people. Nigeria. They
disarmed the people. The people that they want to have
guns have guns. The average person can't have a gun.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
That's that has happened throughout the world. If you look
back at some of the some of the greatest genocides
in countries, Pole Pot one of the worst, Stalin, you know,
you look at all the Hitler. First thing Hitler did
disarmed the Jews, you know, went into the completely disarmed
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the citizens of Germany except for the ones that he
didn't want disarmed that would follow him. Happens has happened
throughout history over and over again. There's some other countries
out there right now that are super ripe for this
Australia being one of them.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yes, it is super ripe.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It's just a matter of when's the strong man going
to show up? You know where they where they and
they voluntarily allowed themselves to be disarmed. England is on
the precipice of becoming a third world socialist country. I
have a really good friend that lives in Herefordshire, England,
that I was visiting with. Spent about three hours with
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him a week ago. He and his wife are over
visiting and he's a former s a s fought in
the Falkland Islands or he's he's a he's a real.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
He's a real dude. He sees it coming.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Oh yeah, and they're they're actively getting ready to move
to Florida. They're they're they're in the process.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Of because they're watching their nation transform.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
He knows exactly what he sees, exactly what's happened. He's
in and they recognize that they've got to get out now.
There's still hope anytime there's still patriots, there's always hope
that you will see something change. But they're essentially disarmed.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Well, they're arresting people for stating anything that they don't like.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, when you when you start putting people in jail
for disagreeing with the current politics. You know, when you
start when you start putting people in jail for for
saying things or or having an opinion, let's just say,
having an opinion that they allow to be known. It's coming,
you know, it's something worse is next.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And that's why the Second Amendment is so unique in
our nation and so important.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Absolutely, they those guys that that wrote that stuff down,
the all the the guys you got up there on
your Yeah, they recognized that every one of them, every
one of them, recognized that they were so little, so
little dissent among them. You know when when that document
was formed.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
The right to keep and bear keeping as in the
assumption was you got them.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
They believed that it was a god given right. It
wasn't a government given right, it wasn't an entitlement. It
was something that God God gave them that said you
you need to have the ability, We have the ability
the necessity to defend ourselves. And that's from from an
individual perspective or from a national perspective.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And that's what gave birth to these segments. The personal
defense segments will move on next on the Morning Show
with Preston Scott, twenty one Past the Hour Back with J. D.
Johnson of the Talent Training Group, co host Talent Outdoors
with Charlie Strickland and co founder of the Talent the
(09:04):
Growing Talent business profile. Open carry is now a thing.
I know that there will be efforts in the Republican
run legislature, sadly to water it down and make it
more difficult in the coming session. But that being said,
Florida is now in open carry state. Have you noticed anything? Nope,
(09:27):
me either.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Kind of figured it'd be that way. You know, I
go to Georgia. I spend a lot of time in
Georgia and now Alabama, having a child that goes to
school and goes to college there, and they've been open
carry for a long time. It's not just not just
a recent development.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Occasionally I will see somebody.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
We were up in Troy a couple of weeks ago
visiting our daughter for parents weekend and went to a
restaurant up there and saw a guy carrying a you know,
openly carrying and they're eating supper with his family. Nobody
freaked out or whatever. I was like, hmmm, all right,
you know, I was carrying too. Uh, nobody knew it, so,
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you know, it's kind of one of those things where, Okay,
bad guy comes in here, who's gonna get shot first?
It probably ain't gonna be me because I'm sitting over
there in the corner, you know, eating my eating my spaghetti,
and uh, I.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Just I'm hoping that the time that goes by between
when the judge said now it's it's open carry and
the legislature meets, they'll have time to say it's no
big deal, yeah, because it isn't. It's really not.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And hopefully you know, I'm I've heard every argument you
can possibly make for for open carry. I'm not against
it by any I'm against it personally, right, but there's
a big difference for me for my life. You know,
I'm not for it if I was if I was
carrying openly in a uh, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
A level three security holster. Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
The biggest issue I have with it is, you know,
law enforcement carries openly. That hasn't that hasn't just started.
That's been going on for pretty much forever. But the
law enforcement ulcers in uniform on the street that are
carrying openly are doing so in a level two or
level three security holster, which means it takes two or
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three sequences of operation to even get their gun out.
Now they're good at getting it.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Out because they practice it a lot, yep.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
But it's there to keep gun snatches, gun grabs, to
keep the bad guy from disarming number coming up behind them.
A lot of people that are open carrying don't think
about that. They don't even have a snap over there,
you know, on their holster. Which each snaps are, you know,
a strap or a snap over your holsters, not a It's.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Very very little security, right you know.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
It's easy to defeat. So that's the biggest thing I
caution people about carrying openly. You better be paying attention
and not let don't let anybody get within arms each
of you there because at that point and there's potentially
a discussion over ownership of the firearm.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Speaking of arms, reach, knives are becoming a growing problem.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, uh, they're there. It's it's always been a problem.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But in part England has done their best to get
guns out of people's hands. So the weapon of choice
is a knife, yep, and people are being stabbedshed over
the place.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Big cities as well, new York City's a you know,
the subway.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
But knife attacks, Yeah, you mentioned New York City. Knife
attacks are growing in number. What are What are a
couple of things to think about if you're confronted with
somebody who draws a knife.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Uh, the biggest thing to think about is seven yards
twenty one feet distance distance, even if you're carrying. If
you if somebody is within roughly twenty one feet from you,
if they're twenty one feet or less away from you,
and they already have a knife in your hand and
your gun is in your holster, you better be You
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better consider them a deadly threat.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And you better be better than average a drawn you
better be better than average. And you need to be moving.
You need to be getting off the tracks on a
direct charge. If they just decide all of a sudden
they want to close that gap, close that distance, very
little chance that you're going to outdraw them and get
a shot off before they're cutting you. And getting cut
with a knife is a horrible thing in the right place,
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it is a very quick and deadly situation. Yep, you know,
depending on the size of the knife and whether or
not the person wielding it knows how to use it.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
A retractable blade. Someone's holding up something that appears to
be a knife, but the blade is not evident. It
could be a retractable blade. Is that grounds to pull
your firearmount not necessarily to discharge.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Depends on the situation and the you know, if they're
just holding something in their hand, that's one thing. If
they're holding something in their hand and saying I'm fixing
to hurt you and to kill you, give me your wallet,
then yeah, it doesn't really matter. At that point, they've
they've announced their intentions. Okay, so that's a that's a
situation by situation thing. If they're holding their cell phone
and you know, it's their cell phone in their hand,
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different story, but absolutely it's there's some knives that can
be deployed in a really quick hurry, and it doesn't
have to be a retractable or an automatic pocket knife.
It can be a flip style or just an easy open.
You know, there's guys that practice with knives. They practice
with knives. Yeah, like we might go to the range.
They practice with their knives, yeah, you know, and usually
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have it on them all the time, so they're the
you know, fidgeting around with it so they know how
it operates and they can get that blade out and
get it operational. Want to hurry.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
But if there was one thing that you need people
to know about someone that might be an attacker with
a knife, it's distance as your friend.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yep, clear, make you know, create distance, change direction. It's
you know, kind of like the old run from an
alligator running is exactly liss serpent serpentee, Yeah, exactly, it's
it takes time to change direction if somebody is running
at full speed.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Any listener of this program that's been around knows, I
can't wait to talk about Christmas shopping. I'm into it
come July. But now you get to November and you
know you've got people JD thinking about a j D.
Johnson with me from the Talent Training Group. And of
course there are people that want to let's start with
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the youngsters. They want to get their their child that
first BB gun. Some things to know, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
The biggest the biggest mistake I think I see with
parents getting their kids their first gun or you know,
BB guns are one thing. If it's a BB gun,
there are pillet rifles, air powered pellet rifles. Now that
you can deer hunt with. So it doesn't need to
be that, okay, And you need to start them out
with the training them that that is a real firearm.
(16:05):
You t treat it just you treat a Daisy red
Rider because it'll put your eye out.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It will put your out, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You start them out with a Daisy red Rider, just
like it's a real gun, you know, and even a
toy gun that doesn't fire a projectile.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You need to start.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Teaching them trigger discipline, muzzle discipline, all of those things,
and not to point it at somebody no matter what,
no matter what. Yeah, you know, that's that's the biggest thing.
Not just here's your Daisy red Rider, go go shoot
to sign and you know.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Have fun.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And it just doesn't work that way, and things are
not the same. You and I talk about that all
the time. Is when we were kids. You know, I
grew up being able to go out in the back
door and having access to thousands of acres of woods.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
And you had a rifle or a shotgun in the
back of your truck. Yeah, you know when you went
to school.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Absolutely every day I went to school there, if it
was hunting season, there was a rifle or a shotgun
or both in the you know, in the back seat
of my truck or underneath the whatever, you know in
the truck somewhere. But times are different and you can't
do that anymore, right. But so if you're gonna get
your kid a gun, you start them out with firearms
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discipline and don't make it a mystery if you have
them in the house. So teach them, let them learn,
let them shoot. It's enjoyable. It's an enjoyable sport.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
But that first shooting experience, We've talked about it, but
I want to remind everybody that first shooting experience is
crucial to get it right.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, don't hand your kid a single shot twelve gage
shotgun and go here try this, you know, because that's
a bad experience for a kid. You know, something that's
going to have a tremendous amount of recoil and noise
and you know, protect their hearing. I'm the prime example
of not protecting my hearing when I was a kid.
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I've been wearing here in aids since i was thirty five,
so I'm going on twenty something years of where needing
hearing aids. So iye protection air protection. Don't hand them
a giant caliber to shoot for the first time. Start
them out with a twenty two or a pellet rifle
or something that doesn't have a lot of noise, doesn't
have a lot of recoil. Ease them in, you know,
don't just go here here, here's Grandpa's thirty out six right,
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shoot that target there and it recoils to the point where.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
It because they may never pick up a firearm again.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Absolutely, I see people that get absolutely ruined at a
young age, and that they still, even if they still
like to shoot, they don't shoot well because of the
flint reaction that they have. They still have that subconscious
thought back there in the back of their mind that
this thing hurts and is loud, and I don't like it,
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even though I want to hunt with it or I
want to shoot it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So and if they've got if they make the decision
to go with a BB gun or an appropriate pellet gun,
they can train with that and teach their child that
at talon range.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Absolutely shoot the paper targets we've got. We've got paper
targets that are just fine for doing that. You have
to be careful with BB's because they're made out a
deal and you don't shoot anything hard with it. It'll
bounce back and it'll hurt you. You know, come back
at you three hundred feet per second and it'll hurt you.
Put your eye out, no joke, you know. So be
sure of your target and your backstop. That's some of
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the cardinal rules of firearm safety that we've we've covered,
you know, we've covered right right here in this segment.
You can't, you know, the finger off the trigger, muzzle discipline,
be sure your target and your backstop. You know, all
of those things are important.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
And we're back JD. Johnson of the Talent Trading Group
with me. All right, holiday shopping do's and don'ts tips,
We now transition from the youth to an adult. If
you're thinking about a firearm for a spouse, a son,
a daughter, et cetera, get.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Them a gift card. Don't don't go guys, don't go
by your wife a thirty eight special five shot snubnose
and go here, honey, I got you a gun. Let
them go to the range. Something, go be. Let them
be part of the process. While while it is an
admirable thing and I get it most of the time,
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women absolutely most anybody that are not gun people, if
you're not a gun guy, a snubnosed revolver is the
hardest gun to shoot. It's the worst thing it is. Yeah,
it's the most unpleasant to shoot. Yes, it's the you know. Yes,
it is simplistic to operate. It doesn't take a lot
of effort to pull the trigger where you do have
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some manipulation with a semi auto. But what you give,
what you get out of that is you you're giving
up a lot of more pleasant experience if you get
the proper training right, you know. And I see it
all the time. Guys come in with their wife and
my wife can't ract the slide on this gun, and
usually within about twenty seconds and a little bit of technique,
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I go see she can do it. It's just to
matter doing it the right way.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And there and there are semi automatics. The gun manufacturers
are sensitive to that criticism and are responding to it.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
There are there are there are some automatics that they
have made easier to operate. Several of the manufacturers Smith
and Wesson, Ruger, there's several of them that have made
it easier to operate. But even the ones that aren't
that way. Uh, it's technique. It is technique. It is
not strength. Every now and then it is strength. I see,
I see, you know, debilitating arthritis. Sure, it's one of
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the worst ones. And you have somebody that just has
absolutely debilitating rheumatoid arthritis and their joints don't function properly
and their hand strength is gone.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, yep yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Person protection yeah yeah, uh yeah, renta renta rent a thug.
You know, you walk around with you uh.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Called Charlie's group and have them assigned somebody to you. Uh,
but no, it's just I see that mistake a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
They go and buy the gun that they think their
wife wants or needs or whatever, and they go to
the range and she absolutely hates it.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Would it be batter before you even do the gift
card for a firearm, to get them a gift card
to go get some training.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
First, Preston, I probably turned down two or three gun
sales a week, people trying to buy the right gun
standing at the gun counter that have never shot any
of them. So yes, absolutely, a day at the range
with a gun rental or with the fifty dollars rent
the class to the class in any of those things.
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The class gets you the training, and it gets you
access to all our rental guns at the end of
the day. So that's a well spent two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And you don't have to take the concealed carry permit
if someone doesn't want to. But what you're learning is invaluable, correct,
and you get exposed to the different firearms.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Absolutely, and you know we we we've been doing this
a long time. You can come up there and rent
every gun we have out there, which there's lots of them,
for fifty bucks. Try all of them as long as
you're willing to buy them and keep feeding them, We'll
keep handing them to you. Let's try them out till
you find the one you lock. That's let that person
that you're getting that you want to buy the gun
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for pick it out.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So give them a three stage gift the fifty bucks
after the training, and then the gift card for the firearm.
Now you don't have to do the fifty bucks.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
If you do the training, we give you that same
we're giving you the AMMO and letting you try the gun. Okay,
there you go for two hundred bucks. There you're training.
So yeah, that's We've tried to make this an affordable
proposition for most people.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Last question, is there something that is new on the
market or maybe that people don't really think about that
might be either a useful, practical or just playing cool
gift for somebody that enjoys firearms.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
There's not a lot new on the market. Honestly. The
biggest new thing that's been around for you know, it
has been a becoming very mainstream, especially.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Is the red dot sites.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
That's that's an option that makes shooting easy, shooting a
handgun easy.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
And that's different than the laser.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, that is not a laser. A laser projects a
beam out in the distance somewhere. The red dot is
a holographic site that where you're not having to focus
or worry about three different focal points. You're not you
don't have a rear sight. You don't.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You can take the sites off the gun.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
You've got one dot on there on, one holographic dot,
and to using those properly. Your focal attention is on
the target binocular vision, both eyes open. The dot superimposes
on the target and let you know where you're aiming.
And that's a simpler process than the old iron sights.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And are they are are good dependable red dots in
kind of all price ranges.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
No, you expect to spend two hundred and fifty three
hundred dollars or more. There's a lot of cheap ones
on the market that just you're honestly, the one hundred
dollars ones, you're wasting your money.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You're gonna literally get rates than you pay for. It's
not going to last.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Those things are mounted on the slide of a handgun,
and that handgun slide is moved and every time it's
violently coming to the rear and going forward, you know,
moving every time you pull the trigger. So if they're
not well made, they're not.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Going to last. Good stuff. Thanks for coming in you, sir,
my pleasure. JD. Johnson with us from the Talent Training Group.
Remember that training he's talking about. It's as simple as
going to talentrange dot com.
We do have one hour left and we are joined
by co founder, co host of All Things Talon. He
is JD. Johnson. Hello, sir, how are.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You good morning?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm good. Appreciate you pinch hitting, especially under duress. It happens,
you're under duress. Never, Yes, you are. Man. You've had
two youngins get married this year, one getting that's duress. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, my bike account will never be the same again.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Please not for a minute.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm excited my court Saturday Saturday evening and we're excited
about it, and.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So do weddings involving J D. Johnson. Kids have a
twenty one gun salute. No no, no, no, no, Okay,
you heard the story. We ended the hour on a
teacher being shot by a six year old in the classroom. JD.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You know, it's just the times we live in, unfortunately,
and you got people that are you know, sometimes busy,
maybe in lack of day physical about where their firearms
end up. And we can all be guilty of that.
You know it shouldn't be, but we we, you know,
get preoccupied with things. Yeah, and just on the parent's fault. Yeah,
(01:14):
you know, in my opinion, there's a whole lot of
the kids behavior in general is sometimes the parent's fault.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Unless that six year old's dealing in the black market
fighting firearms, yeah, which I highly doubt. Yeah, hey tell
me this. I wanted I want to tea up this
topic for a couple of segments here because I know
you're you're a historian, you love this stuff, and I
think it's useful for people to just hear different perspectives
(01:42):
on topics that we cover on the show routinely, and
one of them is the reason why we have a
second Amendment. I think a lot of people don't fully
understand the depth of the reason why we have it.
And it wasn't us for.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Hunting, had zero to do with hunting, right, But that's
what a lot of people think.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Well, they had it there. The left tries to paint
it as though they had to hunt. They had to
hunt for their food. That's why they had it.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Now they were farmers, they didn't have to hunt for
their food. Farmers general generally speak and have livestock that
readily available to go harvest meat in the backyard or
in the in the pen. No, it's it's it's plain
and simple. You know, our founding fathers when they wrote
the Constitution, wrote the Bill of Rights. They were they
had been under tyrannical oppression for a long time. They've
(02:36):
been under the King of England. And you know, sometimes
you have a benevolent, benevolent king and sometimes you don't.
So they wrote the Second Amendment and they put it
where it was, you know, and it's everybody jokes about it.
You can say whatever you want to say, as crazy
as it may be, but you need a gun. You
(02:58):
better have a gun to back it up. The Second
Amendment is in place to what was put in place
to allow the overthrow of government, essentially, the overthrow if
you ended up with a bad tyrannical government, to allow militias,
which is the citizens. It's always been the citizens. It's
(03:18):
never been a national Guard or it's always been the citizens.
What it was during the Revolutionary War, to allow them
to form and create a new government that represented the people.
If you read the you know, some of the other
papers and articles that went into the forming of our
Bill of Rights and our Constitution, they were all marching
(03:41):
in the same direction, is that we have to be
able to have a citizen army to defend our freedom,
to defend our way of life, to defend our republic,
to prevent a tyrannical government from happening.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Back with Jad Johnson of the Talent Training Group our
personal defense segment, we'll get into more specific personal defense
related things, but the hub of all, the foundation for
all personal defense discussions is the Second Amendment. Our founders,
you know, not only did they learn from from the
rule of England, but they learned from the rule of
the other countries in Europe. They were looking at history
(04:21):
and what was happening, and they set us apart. For
that reason. You mentioned the militia. The actual militia today
are people just like I mean, yeah, your former law enforcement.
But they're people like you and me.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Right, Yeah, that that We're no different than the you know,
the the talk about the Continentals, Continental Army, this old Uh.
They were farmers that lived in the community. The guys
that fought in at Lexington and Concord didn't run up
to U Massachusetts from Georgia.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
They were just local guys. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
They were they were barkeepers, they were beer makers, they
were farmers, they were you.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Know, and they were under threat.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, they were cobblers, they were tinkers, they you know,
they were just guys, businessmen, community leaders, whatever else it said,
got together and said, we're done with this. We're done
with the king housing soldiers in our homes, taking our
property from us, telling us what we can and can't
do with our lives. And they stood up and faulted,
(05:25):
you know, and died a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Even to today. I went and looked up the gun
laws in Venezuela. They changed dramatically in twenty thirteen. Look
what's happened, right socialism. They've disarmed the people. Nigeria. They
disarmed the people. The people that they want to have
guns have guns. The average person can't have a gun.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
That's that has happened throughout the world. If you look
back at some of the some of the greatest genocides
in countries, Pole Pot one of the worst, Stalin, you know,
you look at all the Hitler. First thing Hitler did
disarmed the Jews, you know, went into the completely disarmed
(06:10):
the citizens of Germany except for the ones that he
didn't want disarmed that would follow him. Happens has happened
throughout history over and over again. There's some other countries
out there right now that are super ripe for this
Australia being one of them.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yes, it is super ripe.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It's just a matter of when's the strong man going
to show up? You know where they where they and
they voluntarily allowed themselves to be disarmed. England is on
the precipice of becoming a third world socialist country. I
have a really good friend that lives in Herefordshire, England,
that I was visiting with. Spent about three hours with
(06:47):
him a week ago. He and his wife are over
visiting and he's a former s a s fought in
the Falkland Islands or he's he's a he's a real.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
He's a real dude. He sees it coming.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Oh yeah, and they're they're actively getting ready to move
to Florida. They're they're they're in the process.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Of because they're watching their nation transform.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
He knows exactly what he sees, exactly what's happened. He's
in and they recognize that they've got to get out now.
There's still hope anytime there's still patriots, there's always hope
that you will see something change. But they're essentially disarmed.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Well, they're arresting people for stating anything that they don't like.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, when you when you start putting people in jail
for disagreeing with the current politics. You know, when you
start when you start putting people in jail for for
saying things or or having an opinion, let's just say,
having an opinion that they allow to be known. It's coming,
you know, it's something worse is next.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And that's why the Second Amendment is so unique in
our nation and so important.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Absolutely, they those guys that that wrote that stuff down,
the all the the guys you got up there on
your Yeah, they recognized that every one of them, every
one of them, recognized that they were so little, so
little dissent among them. You know when when that document
was formed.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
The right to keep and bear keeping as in the
assumption was you got them.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
They believed that it was a god given right. It
wasn't a government given right, it wasn't an entitlement. It
was something that God God gave them that said you
you need to have the ability, We have the ability
the necessity to defend ourselves. And that's from from an
individual perspective or from a national perspective.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And that's what gave birth to these segments. The personal
defense segments will move on next on the Morning Show
with Preston Scott, twenty one Past the Hour Back with J. D.
Johnson of the Talent Training Group, co host Talent Outdoors
with Charlie Strickland and co founder of the Talent the
(09:04):
Growing Talent business profile. Open carry is now a thing.
I know that there will be efforts in the Republican
run legislature, sadly to water it down and make it
more difficult in the coming session. But that being said,
Florida is now in open carry state. Have you noticed anything? Nope,
(09:27):
me either.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Kind of figured it'd be that way. You know, I
go to Georgia. I spend a lot of time in
Georgia and now Alabama, having a child that goes to
school and goes to college there, and they've been open
carry for a long time. It's not just not just
a recent development.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Occasionally I will see somebody.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
We were up in Troy a couple of weeks ago
visiting our daughter for parents weekend and went to a
restaurant up there and saw a guy carrying a you know,
openly carrying and they're eating supper with his family. Nobody
freaked out or whatever. I was like, hmmm, all right,
you know, I was carrying too. Uh, nobody knew it, so,
(10:07):
you know, it's kind of one of those things where, Okay,
bad guy comes in here, who's gonna get shot first?
It probably ain't gonna be me because I'm sitting over
there in the corner, you know, eating my eating my spaghetti,
and uh, I.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Just I'm hoping that the time that goes by between
when the judge said now it's it's open carry and
the legislature meets, they'll have time to say it's no
big deal, yeah, because it isn't. It's really not.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And hopefully you know, I'm I've heard every argument you
can possibly make for for open carry. I'm not against
it by any I'm against it personally, right, but there's
a big difference for me for my life. You know,
I'm not for it if I was if I was
carrying openly in a uh, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
A level three security holster. Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
The biggest issue I have with it is, you know,
law enforcement carries openly. That hasn't that hasn't just started.
That's been going on for pretty much forever. But the
law enforcement ulcers in uniform on the street that are
carrying openly are doing so in a level two or
level three security holster, which means it takes two or
(11:17):
three sequences of operation to even get their gun out.
Now they're good at getting it.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Out because they practice it a lot, yep.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
But it's there to keep gun snatches, gun grabs, to
keep the bad guy from disarming number coming up behind them.
A lot of people that are open carrying don't think
about that. They don't even have a snap over there,
you know, on their holster. Which each snaps are, you know,
a strap or a snap over your holsters, not a It's.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Very very little security, right you know.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
It's easy to defeat. So that's the biggest thing I
caution people about carrying openly. You better be paying attention
and not let don't let anybody get within arms each
of you there because at that point and there's potentially
a discussion over ownership of the firearm.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Speaking of arms, reach, knives are becoming a growing problem.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, uh, they're there. It's it's always been a problem.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But in part England has done their best to get
guns out of people's hands. So the weapon of choice
is a knife, yep, and people are being stabbedshed over
the place.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Big cities as well, new York City's a you know,
the subway.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
But knife attacks, Yeah, you mentioned New York City. Knife
attacks are growing in number. What are What are a
couple of things to think about if you're confronted with
somebody who draws a knife.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Uh, the biggest thing to think about is seven yards
twenty one feet distance distance, even if you're carrying. If
you if somebody is within roughly twenty one feet from you,
if they're twenty one feet or less away from you,
and they already have a knife in your hand and
your gun is in your holster, you better be You
(13:03):
better consider them a deadly threat.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And you better be better than average a drawn you
better be better than average. And you need to be moving.
You need to be getting off the tracks on a
direct charge. If they just decide all of a sudden
they want to close that gap, close that distance, very
little chance that you're going to outdraw them and get
a shot off before they're cutting you. And getting cut
with a knife is a horrible thing in the right place,
(13:29):
it is a very quick and deadly situation. Yep, you know,
depending on the size of the knife and whether or
not the person wielding it knows how to use it.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
A retractable blade. Someone's holding up something that appears to
be a knife, but the blade is not evident. It
could be a retractable blade. Is that grounds to pull
your firearmount not necessarily to discharge.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Depends on the situation and the you know, if they're
just holding something in their hand, that's one thing. If
they're holding something in their hand and saying I'm fixing
to hurt you and to kill you, give me your wallet,
then yeah, it doesn't really matter. At that point, they've
they've announced their intentions. Okay, so that's a that's a
situation by situation thing. If they're holding their cell phone
and you know, it's their cell phone in their hand,
(14:13):
different story, but absolutely it's there's some knives that can
be deployed in a really quick hurry, and it doesn't
have to be a retractable or an automatic pocket knife.
It can be a flip style or just an easy open.
You know, there's guys that practice with knives. They practice
with knives. Yeah, like we might go to the range.
They practice with their knives, yeah, you know, and usually
(14:36):
have it on them all the time, so they're the
you know, fidgeting around with it so they know how
it operates and they can get that blade out and
get it operational. Want to hurry.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
But if there was one thing that you need people
to know about someone that might be an attacker with
a knife, it's distance as your friend.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yep, clear, make you know, create distance, change direction. It's
you know, kind of like the old run from an
alligator running is exactly liss serpent serpentee, Yeah, exactly, it's
it takes time to change direction if somebody is running
at full speed.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Any listener of this program that's been around knows, I
can't wait to talk about Christmas shopping. I'm into it
come July. But now you get to November and you
know you've got people JD thinking about a j D.
Johnson with me from the Talent Training Group. And of
course there are people that want to let's start with
(15:32):
the youngsters. They want to get their their child that
first BB gun. Some things to know, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
The biggest the biggest mistake I think I see with
parents getting their kids their first gun or you know,
BB guns are one thing. If it's a BB gun,
there are pillet rifles, air powered pellet rifles. Now that
you can deer hunt with. So it doesn't need to
be that, okay, And you need to start them out
with the training them that that is a real firearm.
(16:05):
You t treat it just you treat a Daisy red
Rider because it'll put your eye out.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It will put your out, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You start them out with a Daisy red Rider, just
like it's a real gun, you know, and even a
toy gun that doesn't fire a projectile.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You need to start.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Teaching them trigger discipline, muzzle discipline, all of those things,
and not to point it at somebody no matter what,
no matter what. Yeah, you know, that's that's the biggest thing.
Not just here's your Daisy red Rider, go go shoot
to sign and you know.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Have fun.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And it just doesn't work that way, and things are
not the same. You and I talk about that all
the time. Is when we were kids. You know, I
grew up being able to go out in the back
door and having access to thousands of acres of woods.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
And you had a rifle or a shotgun in the
back of your truck. Yeah, you know when you went
to school.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Absolutely every day I went to school there, if it
was hunting season, there was a rifle or a shotgun
or both in the you know, in the back seat
of my truck or underneath the whatever, you know in
the truck somewhere. But times are different and you can't
do that anymore, right. But so if you're gonna get
your kid a gun, you start them out with firearms
(17:13):
discipline and don't make it a mystery if you have
them in the house. So teach them, let them learn,
let them shoot. It's enjoyable. It's an enjoyable sport.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
But that first shooting experience, We've talked about it, but
I want to remind everybody that first shooting experience is
crucial to get it right.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, don't hand your kid a single shot twelve gage
shotgun and go here try this, you know, because that's
a bad experience for a kid. You know, something that's
going to have a tremendous amount of recoil and noise
and you know, protect their hearing. I'm the prime example
of not protecting my hearing when I was a kid.
(17:50):
I've been wearing here in aids since i was thirty five,
so I'm going on twenty something years of where needing
hearing aids. So iye protection air protection. Don't hand them
a giant caliber to shoot for the first time. Start
them out with a twenty two or a pellet rifle
or something that doesn't have a lot of noise, doesn't
have a lot of recoil. Ease them in, you know,
don't just go here here, here's Grandpa's thirty out six right,
(18:12):
shoot that target there and it recoils to the point where.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
It because they may never pick up a firearm again.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Absolutely, I see people that get absolutely ruined at a
young age, and that they still, even if they still
like to shoot, they don't shoot well because of the
flint reaction that they have. They still have that subconscious
thought back there in the back of their mind that
this thing hurts and is loud, and I don't like it,
(18:39):
even though I want to hunt with it or I
want to shoot it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So and if they've got if they make the decision
to go with a BB gun or an appropriate pellet gun,
they can train with that and teach their child that
at talon range.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Absolutely shoot the paper targets we've got. We've got paper
targets that are just fine for doing that. You have
to be careful with BB's because they're made out a
deal and you don't shoot anything hard with it. It'll
bounce back and it'll hurt you. You know, come back
at you three hundred feet per second and it'll hurt you.
Put your eye out, no joke, you know. So be
sure of your target and your backstop. That's some of
(19:14):
the cardinal rules of firearm safety that we've we've covered,
you know, we've covered right right here in this segment.
You can't, you know, the finger off the trigger, muzzle discipline,
be sure your target and your backstop. You know, all
of those things are important.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
And we're back JD. Johnson of the Talent Trading Group
with me. All right, holiday shopping do's and don'ts tips,
We now transition from the youth to an adult. If
you're thinking about a firearm for a spouse, a son,
a daughter, et cetera, get.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Them a gift card. Don't don't go guys, don't go
by your wife a thirty eight special five shot snubnose
and go here, honey, I got you a gun. Let
them go to the range. Something, go be. Let them
be part of the process. While while it is an
admirable thing and I get it most of the time,
(20:10):
women absolutely most anybody that are not gun people, if
you're not a gun guy, a snubnosed revolver is the
hardest gun to shoot. It's the worst thing it is. Yeah,
it's the most unpleasant to shoot. Yes, it's the you know. Yes,
it is simplistic to operate. It doesn't take a lot
of effort to pull the trigger where you do have
(20:30):
some manipulation with a semi auto. But what you give,
what you get out of that is you you're giving
up a lot of more pleasant experience if you get
the proper training right, you know. And I see it
all the time. Guys come in with their wife and
my wife can't ract the slide on this gun, and
usually within about twenty seconds and a little bit of technique,
(20:55):
I go see she can do it. It's just to
matter doing it the right way.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And there and there are semi automatics. The gun manufacturers
are sensitive to that criticism and are responding to it.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
There are there are there are some automatics that they
have made easier to operate. Several of the manufacturers Smith
and Wesson, Ruger, there's several of them that have made
it easier to operate. But even the ones that aren't
that way. Uh, it's technique. It is technique. It is
not strength. Every now and then it is strength. I see,
I see, you know, debilitating arthritis. Sure, it's one of
(21:27):
the worst ones. And you have somebody that just has
absolutely debilitating rheumatoid arthritis and their joints don't function properly
and their hand strength is gone.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, yep yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Person protection yeah yeah, uh yeah, renta renta rent a thug.
You know, you walk around with you uh.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Called Charlie's group and have them assigned somebody to you. Uh,
but no, it's just I see that mistake a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
They go and buy the gun that they think their
wife wants or needs or whatever, and they go to
the range and she absolutely hates it.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Would it be batter before you even do the gift
card for a firearm, to get them a gift card
to go get some training.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
First, Preston, I probably turned down two or three gun
sales a week, people trying to buy the right gun
standing at the gun counter that have never shot any
of them. So yes, absolutely, a day at the range
with a gun rental or with the fifty dollars rent
the class to the class in any of those things.
(22:27):
The class gets you the training, and it gets you
access to all our rental guns at the end of
the day. So that's a well spent two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And you don't have to take the concealed carry permit
if someone doesn't want to. But what you're learning is invaluable, correct,
and you get exposed to the different firearms.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Absolutely, and you know we we we've been doing this
a long time. You can come up there and rent
every gun we have out there, which there's lots of them,
for fifty bucks. Try all of them as long as
you're willing to buy them and keep feeding them, We'll
keep handing them to you. Let's try them out till
you find the one you lock. That's let that person
that you're getting that you want to buy the gun
(23:04):
for pick it out.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So give them a three stage gift the fifty bucks
after the training, and then the gift card for the firearm.
Now you don't have to do the fifty bucks.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
If you do the training, we give you that same
we're giving you the AMMO and letting you try the gun. Okay,
there you go for two hundred bucks. There you're training.
So yeah, that's We've tried to make this an affordable
proposition for most people.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Last question, is there something that is new on the
market or maybe that people don't really think about that
might be either a useful, practical or just playing cool
gift for somebody that enjoys firearms.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
There's not a lot new on the market. Honestly. The
biggest new thing that's been around for you know, it
has been a becoming very mainstream, especially.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Is the red dot sites.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
That's that's an option that makes shooting easy, shooting a
handgun easy.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
And that's different than the laser.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, that is not a laser. A laser projects a
beam out in the distance somewhere. The red dot is
a holographic site that where you're not having to focus
or worry about three different focal points. You're not you
don't have a rear sight. You don't.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You can take the sites off the gun.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
You've got one dot on there on, one holographic dot,
and to using those properly. Your focal attention is on
the target binocular vision, both eyes open. The dot superimposes
on the target and let you know where you're aiming.
And that's a simpler process than the old iron sights.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And are they are are good dependable red dots in
kind of all price ranges.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
No, you expect to spend two hundred and fifty three
hundred dollars or more. There's a lot of cheap ones
on the market that just you're honestly, the one hundred
dollars ones, you're wasting your money.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You're gonna literally get rates than you pay for. It's
not going to last.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Those things are mounted on the slide of a handgun,
and that handgun slide is moved and every time it's
violently coming to the rear and going forward, you know,
moving every time you pull the trigger. So if they're
not well made, they're not.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Going to last. Good stuff. Thanks for coming in you, sir,
my pleasure. JD. Johnson with us from the Talent Training Group.
Remember that training he's talking about. It's as simple as
going to talentrange dot com.
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