March 28, 2025 • 14 mins
Lee Williams has written over two-hundred articles documenting the abuses of the ATF against Americans. He shares the latest on one of the most egregious examples and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
If I passed the hour. It's the second hour here
Friday in the Morning Show with Preston Scott. Great to
be with you. He is Jose, I am Preston. It
is show fifty three forty six, and once a month
he is kind enough to make time for us. And
he is Lee Williams, the gun Writer and the website
Thegunwriter dot substack dot com. Lee. How in the world
are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Busy brother? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I'm doing well? I would just before we talk about
all the things that they are to talk about, and
there are a bunch of them. How do you kind
of prioritize where you focus your attention as well as
the attention of you know, gun owners of America and
all that.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, I try and come up with my own stories.
I try and break my stories, and brother, they come
to me. I mean, we have a lot of people
still in a lot of bad situations that need help.
They just want want some help. So try our best
and that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
What's the latest on Patrick tad adamiak.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well. I wrote a story a couple of days ago,
March eighteenth, calling on President Trump to pardon him. The
guy was going to be a Navy Seal officer, had
been accepted by the Navy Seals. He was jailed for
no reason other than the ATF screwed up. They got
(01:28):
some bad information from a source. They kicked down Patrick's door,
pointed guns at him. He's a twenty eight year old
East six in the Navy, went through his house, went
through a safe. Couldn't find anything illegal because Patrick was very,
very careful. He had a very good part time business
going lot of sales. A lot of military will have
a part time job, and this was his. He collected
(01:50):
firearms and firearm parts. Every single thing they found was
perfectly legal. Every single thing they found was perfectly great.
But you know, then they enter in Jeffrey Bodell, who
is ATFS, who is ATS Firearms enforcement officer. He takes
a toy Steen gun. You can order it in the mail.
(02:11):
They'll send it to your house, and he inserts a
real Steen barrel and a real Stem magazine and a
real Steen submachine gun action and gets it the fire
one round, said it's a machine gun. He test fired
five of Patrick's guns, his handguns, said that they were
semi autos, but they were full automatic. I mean it
goes on and on and on. So I mean, Patrick's
(02:34):
on his second of twenty years in state prison, in
a prison in a federal prison in New Jersey. So
unless unless President Trump does something, he's going to spend
he's going to get out of jail in eighteen more years.
And this kid is so committed. All he wants to
do is get out, go back into the Navy and
be a seal.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
What's the legal side of this from his defense team
or those stepping up trying to help.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
There are some legal moves that the defense is trying
to do. However, they're at the appellate level. They're based
on some Supreme Court decisions. They may or may not happen. Brother,
nothing's guaranteed. Sure a presidential pardon, he'd be out of
jail tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
A pardon, does that erase it from his record?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It could, Yeah, it certainly could, and he would be
free to do whatever he wants to do. He is
forgiven for whatever he screwed up, even though in this
case he clearly didn't screw anything up.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Now, you mentioned just a few minutes ago and in
your story the guy with ATF that really maybe committed
some crimes in and of himself, Jeffrey Bodell. How is
he still with it or is he just one of
those guys that you know, Cash Betel's going to get
(04:02):
to him. When he gets to him.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I think Cash doesn't know his name. Cash is God God.
I mean, he has so much on his plate. I
hope his people look into Firearms Enforcement Officer Jeffrey Brodell
because he perjured himself. He performed actions meant to buttress
ATFS horrible search warrant that never should have happened to
(04:26):
this guy. This guy's doing twenty years because of pats
are because of jeff Bodell, and that should never have happened.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Lee, I came across a story back March thirteenth, and
it was on town Hall and it said, the ATF
doesn't want you to know about its gun surveillance program.
These orgs are fighting back and an organization you are
part of is one of those. Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, ATF has so many tricks up their sleeve. They
have software, they have individual I don't know of any
government organization that takes themselves so seriously on what they do. Yeah,
ATF is spying. ATF has accumulated millions and millions and
(05:14):
millions of the names of people who had legally purchased guns,
and they have them in a file and they're not
supposed to by via federal law. I mean, it's which avenue,
don't do you want to talk about what they're doing wrong.
It's it's insane, and no one's tell them accountable because
Joe Biden has used them as his personal personal bully
(05:38):
boys to keep us all in check. Now all that's changing,
thank goodness. But it's just a matter of what comes
out first. I know, Biden's staff is incredible. I'm sorry.
Trump's staff is incredibly busy right now. But at some
point ATF has to be put on top shelf and
they have to be uh drilled down on.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
There. There's an inside this story. It says that that
your organization put a freedom of information request out four
years ago.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's a that's typically ATF.
I've got a freedom of information acts that they'll probably
you know, be handled now during Trump. But man, I mean,
you talked three or four years old. That's nothing for ATF.
They ignore it. They ignore them. I've never seen a
(06:34):
federal agency that operates like them. Before ever even FBI.
They'll turn over documents that make themselves look bad. ATF won't.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
What's interesting to me about this is that it's not
just the ATF. In this particular case, a court has
has sided with them and putting a gag order on
the the things that that you all want people to
know under. What was the justification for the gag order?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I have no idea. There are so many of these
things now that are out there, and for me to
keep track of all of them would be a full
time job. Seriously, because we you know, the federal government
is supposed to cooperate with anyone who files a FOIA request.
ATF does not.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Before we get to your most recent story in the
next segment, I want to just get your thoughts on
the ruling that came down. We talked about it the
other day, the ghost gun ruling by the Supreme Court.
I was surprised at the seven to two ruling.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, I was blown away. I think there's nothing wrong
with a gun without a serial number in Florida. Here,
I have several ghost guns or guns without serial numbers
that were mailed to me by the manufacturers, and I
put them together. I had a great time doing each
of them. Both of them are our block typed handgun.
(08:00):
I don't see why the Supreme Court came down the
way they did, other than they need to be educated more.
I mean, you put the finishing touches on these firearms.
I don't like the term ghost guns. It's just you know,
before the sixties, firearms didn't have serial numbers. Anyway, I
don't see any big deal about it.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
So is there any chance, I mean, how does this
issue find its way back since they've allegedly settled it.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
We're going to need a law. We will need a
federal law that changes this because this is wrong. Man.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
He's the gun writer. The gun writer dot substack dot
com is the website the latest story from Lee Williams. Lee.
What fascinated me not just the story obviously, as always
brilliantly written, it's where it happens. This is in Massachusetts. Yeah,
(09:00):
tell us the story.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
A small gun club located about fifty miles northwest of Boston.
And it's small. It's the Fort Devns Rifle and Pistol Club, Inc.
They you know, most of the guys are veterans. They
were going out to the Fort. They were shooting using
the ranges for free. I mean, these guys brought their
own range safety officers. They have targets, AMMO, they police
(09:25):
their own brass. These guys were nobody's problem, whatsoever. Well,
Joe Biden gets elected and in twenty twenty his administration
tells the club, oh yeah, now you got it. You're
gonna pay two hundred and fifty dollars per range. If
you want two ranges, that'll be five hundred three range
would be seven to fifty, and the fees would increase
based upon the number the total number of shooters. Well,
(09:46):
that hit the gun club hard because they're a small,
small group, so I mean half of them seem to
be lawyers. They filed suit in twenty twenty two, claiming
that the Ford officials were charging range fees in biol
the federal law. And by the way, it does violate
federal law. According to the club treasurer Jim Gettens, as
(10:09):
he put it on Monday, when I wrote the story,
it's a David versus Goliath event. I mean, the range
went through several officers. Everybody lied they were running an
illegal profit curing racket. Getting said. The funny thing is
and the funnies in finger quotes is they're still charging.
(10:32):
They have a lot of non d D law enforcement
that comes out there, state police, municipal police, some federal guys, ICE, FBI,
US Customs. They're still paying for their range opportunity even
though they shouldn't be. Yet. The Civilian Club, because they sued,
(10:52):
does not have to. I tried to get the US
attorney who was involved in the case, Julian and Kansa
nor but he wouldn't call me back. I dealt with
one of his people there at the US Attorney's office
for an entire day trying to get somebody to comment
on it. Of course nobody would. Nobody has to, but
(11:14):
and it really made me upset. However, the club is
back in, and I mean these guys aren't even going
out on the weekends because after nine to eleven they said,
oh yeah, no more civilians on weekends because that's when
we're usually busy, even though if you drive out there,
the ranges are not that busy. But they won. The
judge kicked it back. They're out there during the week
(11:36):
holding their small events and they're all smiling. Man.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It just makes you think about the number of times
that no one has the resources or they just don't
find the energy to fight the government on crap like this.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Right, that is the takeaway, That is the supreme lesson
here is if your rights are being violated, you need
to take action. I don't care who's president, because obviously
this occurred during Biden. But these things take a while,
and they take a while to be resolved. And it
was resolved, and everything's good now out there, and I
(12:16):
could not be happy. I'm going to go out and
shoot there, hopefully in the near future, because these guys
are pros and and they handled it right. Rather than
you know, just griping and complaining, they took some action
and that's exactly what they needed legally. He is also
pretty good attorneys.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Tell me this, Lee, what what is your appraisal? What
are your hopes with cash Paatel and Pam BONDI now
over this this arena in general.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well, it's difficult to understand how busy mister Patel is.
But I want to see I want to see him
destroy ATF. I've written over two hundred stories on ATF
over my twelve years doing this, and it is a
criminal organization masquerading as a federal law enforcement agency. It
needs to go and he needs to take care of it.
(13:08):
That right, there would be a lasting value that would
be incredible, and that needs to happen soon because you
look at what they're doing. You look at the doors
they're kicking for no reason, and the people that are
getting shocked and killed right because they think they're burglars
coming into their house at five am instead of ATF
(13:30):
agents who cut the power before they go in. I
mean ATF needs to go.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Does it take an act? Does it take an Act
of Congress to get rid of it?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yes, it will. I don't care. It's worth it. They
need to go. They are not doing law enforcement at ATF.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Fair enough, Lee, thank you for all the work you're doing.
Appreciate it. Look forward to the next set of articles
and we'll talk again next month.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Tom's great. Thank you, Take care, Thank.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
You, sir. Lee Willilliams The gun Writer dot substack dot com.
That's where you go subscribe get the work of Lee Williams.
Our guest here in the Morning Show with Preston Scott
If I passed the hour. It's the second hour here
Friday in the Morning Show with Preston Scott. Great to
be with you. He is Jose, I am Preston. It
is show fifty three forty six, and once a month
he is kind enough to make time for us. And
he is Lee Williams, the gun Writer and the website
Thegunwriter dot substack dot com. Lee. How in the world
are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Busy brother? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I'm doing well? I would just before we talk about
all the things that they are to talk about, and
there are a bunch of them. How do you kind
of prioritize where you focus your attention as well as
the attention of you know, gun owners of America and
all that.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, I try and come up with my own stories.
I try and break my stories, and brother, they come
to me. I mean, we have a lot of people
still in a lot of bad situations that need help.
They just want want some help. So try our best
and that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
What's the latest on Patrick tad adamiak.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well. I wrote a story a couple of days ago,
March eighteenth, calling on President Trump to pardon him. The
guy was going to be a Navy Seal officer, had
been accepted by the Navy Seals. He was jailed for
no reason other than the ATF screwed up. They got
(01:28):
some bad information from a source. They kicked down Patrick's door,
pointed guns at him. He's a twenty eight year old
East six in the Navy, went through his house, went
through a safe. Couldn't find anything illegal because Patrick was very,
very careful. He had a very good part time business
going lot of sales. A lot of military will have
a part time job, and this was his. He collected
(01:50):
firearms and firearm parts. Every single thing they found was
perfectly legal. Every single thing they found was perfectly great.
But you know, then they enter in Jeffrey Bodell, who
is ATFS, who is ATS Firearms enforcement officer. He takes
a toy Steen gun. You can order it in the mail.
(02:11):
They'll send it to your house, and he inserts a
real Steen barrel and a real Stem magazine and a
real Steen submachine gun action and gets it the fire
one round, said it's a machine gun. He test fired
five of Patrick's guns, his handguns, said that they were
semi autos, but they were full automatic. I mean it
goes on and on and on. So I mean, Patrick's
(02:34):
on his second of twenty years in state prison, in
a prison in a federal prison in New Jersey. So
unless unless President Trump does something, he's going to spend
he's going to get out of jail in eighteen more years.
And this kid is so committed. All he wants to
do is get out, go back into the Navy and
be a seal.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
What's the legal side of this from his defense team
or those stepping up trying to help.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
There are some legal moves that the defense is trying
to do. However, they're at the appellate level. They're based
on some Supreme Court decisions. They may or may not happen. Brother,
nothing's guaranteed. Sure a presidential pardon, he'd be out of
jail tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
A pardon, does that erase it from his record?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It could, Yeah, it certainly could, and he would be
free to do whatever he wants to do. He is
forgiven for whatever he screwed up, even though in this
case he clearly didn't screw anything up.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Now, you mentioned just a few minutes ago and in
your story the guy with ATF that really maybe committed
some crimes in and of himself, Jeffrey Bodell. How is
he still with it or is he just one of
those guys that you know, Cash Betel's going to get
(04:02):
to him. When he gets to him.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I think Cash doesn't know his name. Cash is God God.
I mean, he has so much on his plate. I
hope his people look into Firearms Enforcement Officer Jeffrey Brodell
because he perjured himself. He performed actions meant to buttress
ATFS horrible search warrant that never should have happened to
(04:26):
this guy. This guy's doing twenty years because of pats
are because of jeff Bodell, and that should never have happened.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Lee, I came across a story back March thirteenth, and
it was on town Hall and it said, the ATF
doesn't want you to know about its gun surveillance program.
These orgs are fighting back and an organization you are
part of is one of those. Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, ATF has so many tricks up their sleeve. They
have software, they have individual I don't know of any
government organization that takes themselves so seriously on what they do. Yeah,
ATF is spying. ATF has accumulated millions and millions and
(05:14):
millions of the names of people who had legally purchased guns,
and they have them in a file and they're not
supposed to by via federal law. I mean, it's which avenue,
don't do you want to talk about what they're doing wrong.
It's it's insane, and no one's tell them accountable because
Joe Biden has used them as his personal personal bully
(05:38):
boys to keep us all in check. Now all that's changing,
thank goodness. But it's just a matter of what comes
out first. I know, Biden's staff is incredible. I'm sorry.
Trump's staff is incredibly busy right now. But at some
point ATF has to be put on top shelf and
they have to be uh drilled down on.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
There. There's an inside this story. It says that that
your organization put a freedom of information request out four
years ago.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's a that's typically ATF.
I've got a freedom of information acts that they'll probably
you know, be handled now during Trump. But man, I mean,
you talked three or four years old. That's nothing for ATF.
They ignore it. They ignore them. I've never seen a
(06:34):
federal agency that operates like them. Before ever even FBI.
They'll turn over documents that make themselves look bad. ATF won't.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
What's interesting to me about this is that it's not
just the ATF. In this particular case, a court has
has sided with them and putting a gag order on
the the things that that you all want people to
know under. What was the justification for the gag order?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I have no idea. There are so many of these
things now that are out there, and for me to
keep track of all of them would be a full
time job. Seriously, because we you know, the federal government
is supposed to cooperate with anyone who files a FOIA request.
ATF does not.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Before we get to your most recent story in the
next segment, I want to just get your thoughts on
the ruling that came down. We talked about it the
other day, the ghost gun ruling by the Supreme Court.
I was surprised at the seven to two ruling.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, I was blown away. I think there's nothing wrong
with a gun without a serial number in Florida. Here,
I have several ghost guns or guns without serial numbers
that were mailed to me by the manufacturers, and I
put them together. I had a great time doing each
of them. Both of them are our block typed handgun.
(08:00):
I don't see why the Supreme Court came down the
way they did, other than they need to be educated more.
I mean, you put the finishing touches on these firearms.
I don't like the term ghost guns. It's just you know,
before the sixties, firearms didn't have serial numbers. Anyway, I
don't see any big deal about it.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
So is there any chance, I mean, how does this
issue find its way back since they've allegedly settled it.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
We're going to need a law. We will need a
federal law that changes this because this is wrong. Man.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
He's the gun writer. The gun writer dot substack dot
com is the website the latest story from Lee Williams. Lee.
What fascinated me not just the story obviously, as always
brilliantly written, it's where it happens. This is in Massachusetts. Yeah,
(09:00):
tell us the story.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
A small gun club located about fifty miles northwest of Boston.
And it's small. It's the Fort Devns Rifle and Pistol Club, Inc.
They you know, most of the guys are veterans. They
were going out to the Fort. They were shooting using
the ranges for free. I mean, these guys brought their
own range safety officers. They have targets, AMMO, they police
(09:25):
their own brass. These guys were nobody's problem, whatsoever. Well,
Joe Biden gets elected and in twenty twenty his administration
tells the club, oh yeah, now you got it. You're
gonna pay two hundred and fifty dollars per range. If
you want two ranges, that'll be five hundred three range
would be seven to fifty, and the fees would increase
based upon the number the total number of shooters. Well,
(09:46):
that hit the gun club hard because they're a small,
small group, so I mean half of them seem to
be lawyers. They filed suit in twenty twenty two, claiming
that the Ford officials were charging range fees in biol
the federal law. And by the way, it does violate
federal law. According to the club treasurer Jim Gettens, as
(10:09):
he put it on Monday, when I wrote the story,
it's a David versus Goliath event. I mean, the range
went through several officers. Everybody lied they were running an
illegal profit curing racket. Getting said. The funny thing is
and the funnies in finger quotes is they're still charging.
(10:32):
They have a lot of non d D law enforcement
that comes out there, state police, municipal police, some federal guys, ICE, FBI,
US Customs. They're still paying for their range opportunity even
though they shouldn't be. Yet. The Civilian Club, because they sued,
(10:52):
does not have to. I tried to get the US
attorney who was involved in the case, Julian and Kansa
nor but he wouldn't call me back. I dealt with
one of his people there at the US Attorney's office
for an entire day trying to get somebody to comment
on it. Of course nobody would. Nobody has to, but
(11:14):
and it really made me upset. However, the club is
back in, and I mean these guys aren't even going
out on the weekends because after nine to eleven they said,
oh yeah, no more civilians on weekends because that's when
we're usually busy, even though if you drive out there,
the ranges are not that busy. But they won. The
judge kicked it back. They're out there during the week
(11:36):
holding their small events and they're all smiling. Man.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It just makes you think about the number of times
that no one has the resources or they just don't
find the energy to fight the government on crap like this.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Right, that is the takeaway, That is the supreme lesson
here is if your rights are being violated, you need
to take action. I don't care who's president, because obviously
this occurred during Biden. But these things take a while,
and they take a while to be resolved. And it
was resolved, and everything's good now out there, and I
(12:16):
could not be happy. I'm going to go out and
shoot there, hopefully in the near future, because these guys
are pros and and they handled it right. Rather than
you know, just griping and complaining, they took some action
and that's exactly what they needed legally. He is also
pretty good attorneys.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Tell me this, Lee, what what is your appraisal? What
are your hopes with cash Paatel and Pam BONDI now
over this this arena in general.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well, it's difficult to understand how busy mister Patel is.
But I want to see I want to see him
destroy ATF. I've written over two hundred stories on ATF
over my twelve years doing this, and it is a
criminal organization masquerading as a federal law enforcement agency. It
needs to go and he needs to take care of it.
(13:08):
That right, there would be a lasting value that would
be incredible, and that needs to happen soon because you
look at what they're doing. You look at the doors
they're kicking for no reason, and the people that are
getting shocked and killed right because they think they're burglars
coming into their house at five am instead of ATF
(13:30):
agents who cut the power before they go in. I
mean ATF needs to go.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Does it take an act? Does it take an Act
of Congress to get rid of it?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yes, it will. I don't care. It's worth it. They
need to go. They are not doing law enforcement at ATF.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Fair enough, Lee, thank you for all the work you're doing.
Appreciate it. Look forward to the next set of articles
and we'll talk again next month.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Tom's great. Thank you, Take care, Thank.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
You, sir. Lee Willilliams The gun Writer dot substack dot com.
That's where you go subscribe get the work of Lee Williams.
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