August 28, 2025 • 17 mins
Dr. Ed Moore spent a couple of weeks in South Africa this summer and he came in to share his experience.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
If I passed the hour. It is the third hour
of the morning show with me and him and our
guest once again, a little more history, doctor Ed Moore.
We're gonna go off the beaten path a little bit.
We're gonna join Ed on his little venture he sent me.
He sends me a text. He says, you know, we
can talk about America at War if you want, or
(00:33):
I've been on this amazing trip to South Africa, and
I mean it was incredible. It was the it was
the best trip in the history of life. And and
we could talk about that, or we can talk about
you know what we were talking so like YouTube. So
what am I gonna say to that? Good morning, Good morning?
(00:58):
How you doing South Africa? What you there?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Actually I went to a duck some limited banquet with
some friends and they had they do these all.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Led by former Commissioner of Agriculture Adam Putnam, Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Sir, and they did do these auctions. And the auction
came up and I went, I'm going to see you
in that, and then they passed it. They went past it,
and so I called the runner over. I said, why'd
you go? We didn't think anybody's going to buy it?
So I asked him, Okay, go find out what the
minimum bid would be on it. He came back, told me,
and I went sold and got three friends. You cheapskate, Yeah, man,
(01:34):
well they do that and then you end up spending
a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Oh sure, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
But David Micah here in town and his son David
Micah we call him D one and D two of course,
and Marcus Edenfield and I four of us went to
South Africa on a hunt.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
What so the intrigue was to go to South Africa
on a hunt because you'd never been.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, I've hunted pretty much my whole life. And and
it was like one of those what they call them
bucket lists kind of thing. Does love to go do that?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Like and nothing I've ever experienced as a hunter. I
mean it's you know, here, if I go out this morning,
I went in my front yard and there were two
deer grazing in my yard, and you know, you live
out similar to you're wandering around. It's like, oh yeah,
that's really cool. There. You go down any given road
in any place in South Africa, once you get out
(02:26):
of just barely out of say Pretoria and Johannesburger right
next to each other. As soon as you start going north,
you go, oh, look there's elephants. Oh wait, those are giraffes.
So I mean the wild animals that you see on TV,
and then these shows are everywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It is a South Africa outside the cities then becomes
basically a Safari park.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah. You go from urban to very rural right away.
I mean it's not like there's suburbs or whatever small towns.
There's villages and small towns, and we could talk some
about the shanty towns. That was kind of a same.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well, I mean, clearly beyond the hunting, you were enamored
enough by South Africa to want to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah. Well we David d One and I went earlier
and we took some tours and saw three of the
nine provinces. We were pretty much in the north and
just got to experience all kinds of things. We went
to an elephant preserve where they bring wounded and damaged
elephants and got to interact. I mean, nothing like having
(03:31):
an elephant when it's trunk right over your shoulder, whether.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It's knowing that it can squeeze your head like a
melon anytime.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
There was this really big boy and they wanted you
want to do a picture with her? Yeah, So I
walk up and I stood right up next to it.
And there's nothing like having an elephant lean into you picture.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I mean, you know, it's like you can't push back.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And you can't quantify how big it is. They're huge. Yeah,
they're huge, and we do that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
We got to interact with some big cats. A big
male lion that was behind a cage, but you could
reach through the cage and actually pet him and rough
up his fur. He was like a big house cat, honestly,
Gonness rubbing on the fence coming up, he.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Got clearly raised in captivity.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
He's been around it long enough. You don't put your
hands through. Where there was a female laying there, and
the guy said watch the female, because female, come on,
bite your hand off. But this big guy just liked
you rubbing his back and he would arch his back
or the house cat. Yeah, it just really cool stuff
like that. We went to Pelansburg National Park, which is
(04:41):
everybody here has heard of Krueger. Pelansburg is west of
their huge place, tens of thousands of acres.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And so and it was winter.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's winter there. Yeah, and we'll talk a little bit
about geography. Map makers make maps wrong. I mean, when
you see it, they usually tend to spread them out.
Africa he's made smaller and it's about the same height
as South America. South America actually goes about seventeen or
eighteen hundred miles further south towards Antarctica. So South Africa's
(05:14):
up a bit to go around the Cape. There's a
lot of ocean there. So it was winter and not
really too much unlike ours in the upper thirties in
the during the night and early morning. But yeah, seventy
degrees by midday.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Definitely channeling little doctor d Moore with his music here.
This is definitely your speed. I know it's not your style,
but it's your speed, Doctor Dmore with us talking South
Africa and a recent how long did you go?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
We were gone about twelve days.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, So was that the right amount of time? You think?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
No, you could spend a lot longer there. Say, we
only visited three of the nine provinces. We didn't go
to the east around Durban at all, down into the
south around Cape Town. In those areas you see a
lot of South Africa and the news of late because
of some radicals taking over some of the farmland, and
we didn't see any evidence of that. It's an interesting place.
(06:11):
It's the first time I've really been to a country
that I was in a distinct minority whites or maybe
seven eight percent of the population, about eighty one or
eighty two percent black, and about ten percent what they
call colored, which is mixed race, and a very small
maybe two or three percent Subcontinent Indians there if you remember,
(06:33):
Mahama Gandhi was there, So there's a population there. It's
the dynamics of the country right now are really mixed.
I mean you have urban areas that were very modern,
paved roads, you know, I mean everything. So it's a
real combination of First World and third World, you know.
(06:54):
So they classified as they don't use that much anymore,
the term second World country. That was more referred to
Eastern Europe and stuff. But it's a real blend. And
the poverty rate is very high. More than half the
people live below the poverty line there. It's unemployment is
somewhere in the mid thirties thirty four percent or so. Unemployment,
(07:19):
So it's poor in their areas, and they have these
areas that are called you would refer to them as
shanty towns or squatter settlements. Once you get out of
the cities quickly, there are these communities. I mean it's
like a village that are just made. The houses are
made of scrap wood, scrap metal, corrugated.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Probably six feet whatever they can find.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Whatever they can find. They can't put any permanent structures
on them, or they'll go in and raise them and
move them. But if they do these temporary structures, the government.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Sort of looks the other way.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, it kind of looks the other way. And a
lot of it's on private land, and the private landowners
just go find a lot of the help comes from there.
A lot of the workers come from there. On the
hunt camp that we were in, the trackers, we would
go down and pick up the trackers from one of
these villages down there. That I could talk all day about.
These trackers is absolutely amazing. The skill level they have
(08:17):
of being able to track animals and find animals, it's unbelievable.
You just watch them and it's weird to watch them work.
But the poverty. They're all outhouses, no plumbing, no water
going in. I'm not quite sure how they bring all
the water into these little communities. It's odd to look
at them. You see, you know, say a thousand of
(08:37):
these shacks with satellite dishes on almost all of them.
If they string electricity to them, they've got satellite dishes
and televisions and cell phonts. I mean, it's it's this.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Real mix of life that is the luxury.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, having a.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
As opposed to finding a way to have but you
can't put permanent water and so forth, because it's privately
on land.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Privately on land, and they have them. The one that
the nearest to where we were is in the middle
of nowhere. I mean there's no town there that is
the town. So there's schools or Limpopo thirty miles away
or so those kind of things. The literacy rate though
in the country is about ninety five percent, so they're
(09:23):
on the move to do this. You have to keep
in mind that would appertite apartheid or apparthide whatever was.
That was a late it's probably in the forties or
fifties where that got imposed. Prior to that, it was
sort of las fare and the universal suffrage didn't happen
until the nineties, so relatively recent. So it's a country
(09:47):
on the move. It's changing, but it's still it's heart
wrenching to see these villages with thousands of people living
in them.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Twenty one past the hour, doctor edmore with me talking
about South Africa and his recent journey there, and I
said to you in the break, I think most Americans
view the African nations through the lens of how we
see America, and we see this, well, this is America,
(10:22):
and that's Africa, and all of the states, well they
have states, they just call them countries. But I think
we have that perception that they have this kind of
interconnectedness because they're all part of Africa. But you were saying,
nothing could be further from the truth.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
No, No, they're all just so very different. The countries
are very different, they're governed different.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
They aren't the majority of them Islamic.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Oh no, no, Actually South Africa is eighty five.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Christian excepting South Africa, but.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
No, Christianity is pretty across all of the South of Africa.
If you get up into the north, yeah, then you're
getting Islamic countries and then interestingly, even South Africa at
eighty five percent Christian there's blended into that. It's sort
of like the Caribbean islands. You know that there's local
(11:17):
kind of stuff that traditional religion. I guess you would
call it. That's sort of blended in, sort of like
what Saint Patrick did with the Irish. I mean, you know,
same kind of thing. But it's very strong. I mean
I would ask people, are you know, in different plays,
are you Christian? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's very
and the language is interesting there as well. You've as
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an American, you go to a place like this and
you feel stupid, okay because the lowest on the economic
ladder there people speak three languages. I mean, it's it's
just everywhere. I was one of the pH as. The
professional hunter had his two little boys that came to
the camp one day and they're like three and six
(11:58):
maybe or so. They speak Afrikaans, which is a combination
of Old Dutch and English, and they speak that. They
speak English fluently and a lot of them speak There
are twelve languages in South Africa.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I mean you talk about are they regional?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah? Tribal? Say, if you know, if we had time
to talk about the history of South Africa, hasn't been
a country country for very long. You know. The Dutch
came first in the sixteen hundreds and then the English
took over. They were focused on Cape Town and the south,
using ports to get around and inland were tribal. You know,
you have the everybody knows about Zulus and from movies
(12:39):
is what we know. But the different tribes controlled different provinces.
They are Orange Free State, which was Dutch controlled. They
had the Boer Wars and the eighteen hundreds, two different
Boer Wars that were tribes and the Dutch the settlers,
the Dutch settlers against the English. I mean, it's been
in conflict for a long time. So it's a relatively
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modern nation in the sense of becoming a nation. They
didn't have universal suffrage, as I said, until the nineteen nineties,
so you know they're coming through that African National Congress
were the ones fighting against that apartheide to bring about change.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Now I know it is apartheid, yeah, but you're saying it.
I just want to make sure.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I'm hearing the Dutch guys.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, you know, so apartheid. Okay, tell me this because
I think it connects a little bit since these this
country Africa. The continent is made up of so many
different nations. Do they have an immigration problem?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, well they yeah, they do. We were in the
north and the three provinces to the north that are
bordered by Buttswana. And when you go up to that area,
you talk to the different people, well where are you from?
Did you grow up here?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And they just kind of look, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You're a terurist, I can tell you. And they're coming in.
They come in for jobs, come in for work, and
that's where a lot of the poverty comes from, if
you read on it. A lot of people come in there.
They come in for jobs and then they end up settling.
And they go first to these settlements or squatters villages,
and then they have their job, and then they lose
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their job, and then what do they do. They don't
have transportation, they don't have a way out of there.
Going along the highways, you saw walkers all along the
highways out in the middle of nowhere, and you think,
how far is this? How far are they walking? You know,
and they're carrying loads and they're just walking trying to
get somewhere else. Public transportation is not great. But natural
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resources and beauty like you've never seen in issues poachers.
You hear about poachers. So we had a rhino run
right in front of our truck, missing its the made
of hair largely, but that big horn on the front.
They trank them. They're going and trank them and cut
(15:07):
those off because the poachos will come in and kill
them and just cut it off and then leave the
rest of the animal lay there.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah. I've heard they're now going to literally kind of
sort of poisoning the thing so it's not worthy of
being taken.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
The object is to get rid of the horn to
preserve the animal. And the one that ran in front
of us had no horn on the front. You know,
it's kind of wait, it's missing something, and then you realize, yeah,
they took that off. We got charged by a heart
of elephants that was kind of cool on this back road.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Oh I bet it was real cool.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, a big mama elephant didn't like us, you.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Know, and ears went out.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
You can see the ears going out and waving, and
then all of a sudden she's running at us, and
the guy cranks up the truck and he's gone. He's
going exciting. You know, you think, okay, this like Disney
Did they stage this or no?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
It was real.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Encountered her came around a bush and there's a herd
of Wildeby's and we're staying real quiet, and all of
a sudden behind us to the right, you hear a
snorting and a stomping, and and realize one of the
bulls had gone around behind and did not like us
being there. We're out in the bush, and then then
they all start stampeding, fortunately away from us, not towards us.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, we saw hippos, we saw.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
You name it, we saw so you saw the real
man killers.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, well there are hippos.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
And and the buffaloe.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Actually number one killer in Africa mosquitoes still well, more
people die from mosquitos than anything.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So are you going back if you can't hunt?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I would, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Then there we should bring a camera, would it be
a photographer? Safari?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I did that this time. I've got amazing photographs. Yes,
it's worth doing. If I went back, I would see
more of the country, and I'd also go up into
Tanzania and go to like Victoria and see that kind
of stuff. But yeah, it's it's worth going. Direct flight
Now Delta is a direct flight.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
From from Tallahassee.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
No, you fly Tallassee International through Atlanta straight to Africa.
Fifteen plus hour flight from Atlanta to Johannesburg. And it's
the way to do it.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
That idea just nauseates me. Sorry, thanks for sharing your experience.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Doctor edmore with us twenty nine past the hour
If I passed the hour. It is the third hour
of the morning show with me and him and our
guest once again, a little more history, doctor Ed Moore.
We're gonna go off the beaten path a little bit.
We're gonna join Ed on his little venture he sent me.
He sends me a text. He says, you know, we
can talk about America at War if you want, or
(00:33):
I've been on this amazing trip to South Africa, and
I mean it was incredible. It was the it was
the best trip in the history of life. And and
we could talk about that, or we can talk about
you know what we were talking so like YouTube. So
what am I gonna say to that? Good morning, Good morning?
(00:58):
How you doing South Africa? What you there?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Actually I went to a duck some limited banquet with
some friends and they had they do these all.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Led by former Commissioner of Agriculture Adam Putnam, Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Sir, and they did do these auctions. And the auction
came up and I went, I'm going to see you
in that, and then they passed it. They went past it,
and so I called the runner over. I said, why'd
you go? We didn't think anybody's going to buy it?
So I asked him, Okay, go find out what the
minimum bid would be on it. He came back, told me,
and I went sold and got three friends. You cheapskate, Yeah, man,
(01:34):
well they do that and then you end up spending
a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Oh sure, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
But David Micah here in town and his son David
Micah we call him D one and D two of course,
and Marcus Edenfield and I four of us went to
South Africa on a hunt.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
What so the intrigue was to go to South Africa
on a hunt because you'd never been.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, I've hunted pretty much my whole life. And and
it was like one of those what they call them
bucket lists kind of thing. Does love to go do that?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Like and nothing I've ever experienced as a hunter. I
mean it's you know, here, if I go out this morning,
I went in my front yard and there were two
deer grazing in my yard, and you know, you live
out similar to you're wandering around. It's like, oh yeah,
that's really cool. There. You go down any given road
in any place in South Africa, once you get out
(02:26):
of just barely out of say Pretoria and Johannesburger right
next to each other. As soon as you start going north,
you go, oh, look there's elephants. Oh wait, those are giraffes.
So I mean the wild animals that you see on TV,
and then these shows are everywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It is a South Africa outside the cities then becomes
basically a Safari park.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah. You go from urban to very rural right away.
I mean it's not like there's suburbs or whatever small towns.
There's villages and small towns, and we could talk some
about the shanty towns. That was kind of a same.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well, I mean, clearly beyond the hunting, you were enamored
enough by South Africa to want to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah. Well we David d One and I went earlier
and we took some tours and saw three of the
nine provinces. We were pretty much in the north and
just got to experience all kinds of things. We went
to an elephant preserve where they bring wounded and damaged
elephants and got to interact. I mean, nothing like having
(03:31):
an elephant when it's trunk right over your shoulder, whether.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It's knowing that it can squeeze your head like a
melon anytime.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
There was this really big boy and they wanted you
want to do a picture with her? Yeah, So I
walk up and I stood right up next to it.
And there's nothing like having an elephant lean into you picture.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I mean, you know, it's like you can't push back.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And you can't quantify how big it is. They're huge. Yeah,
they're huge, and we do that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
We got to interact with some big cats. A big
male lion that was behind a cage, but you could
reach through the cage and actually pet him and rough
up his fur. He was like a big house cat, honestly,
Gonness rubbing on the fence coming up, he.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Got clearly raised in captivity.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
He's been around it long enough. You don't put your
hands through. Where there was a female laying there, and
the guy said watch the female, because female, come on,
bite your hand off. But this big guy just liked
you rubbing his back and he would arch his back
or the house cat. Yeah, it just really cool stuff
like that. We went to Pelansburg National Park, which is
(04:41):
everybody here has heard of Krueger. Pelansburg is west of
their huge place, tens of thousands of acres.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And so and it was winter.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's winter there. Yeah, and we'll talk a little bit
about geography. Map makers make maps wrong. I mean, when
you see it, they usually tend to spread them out.
Africa he's made smaller and it's about the same height
as South America. South America actually goes about seventeen or
eighteen hundred miles further south towards Antarctica. So South Africa's
(05:14):
up a bit to go around the Cape. There's a
lot of ocean there. So it was winter and not
really too much unlike ours in the upper thirties in
the during the night and early morning. But yeah, seventy
degrees by midday.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Definitely channeling little doctor d Moore with his music here.
This is definitely your speed. I know it's not your style,
but it's your speed, Doctor Dmore with us talking South
Africa and a recent how long did you go?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
We were gone about twelve days.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, So was that the right amount of time? You think?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
No, you could spend a lot longer there. Say, we
only visited three of the nine provinces. We didn't go
to the east around Durban at all, down into the
south around Cape Town. In those areas you see a
lot of South Africa and the news of late because
of some radicals taking over some of the farmland, and
we didn't see any evidence of that. It's an interesting place.
(06:11):
It's the first time I've really been to a country
that I was in a distinct minority whites or maybe
seven eight percent of the population, about eighty one or
eighty two percent black, and about ten percent what they
call colored, which is mixed race, and a very small
maybe two or three percent Subcontinent Indians there if you remember,
(06:33):
Mahama Gandhi was there, So there's a population there. It's
the dynamics of the country right now are really mixed.
I mean you have urban areas that were very modern,
paved roads, you know, I mean everything. So it's a
real combination of First World and third World, you know.
(06:54):
So they classified as they don't use that much anymore,
the term second World country. That was more referred to
Eastern Europe and stuff. But it's a real blend. And
the poverty rate is very high. More than half the
people live below the poverty line there. It's unemployment is
somewhere in the mid thirties thirty four percent or so. Unemployment,
(07:19):
So it's poor in their areas, and they have these
areas that are called you would refer to them as
shanty towns or squatter settlements. Once you get out of
the cities quickly, there are these communities. I mean it's
like a village that are just made. The houses are
made of scrap wood, scrap metal, corrugated.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Probably six feet whatever they can find.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Whatever they can find. They can't put any permanent structures
on them, or they'll go in and raise them and
move them. But if they do these temporary structures, the government.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Sort of looks the other way.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, it kind of looks the other way. And a
lot of it's on private land, and the private landowners
just go find a lot of the help comes from there.
A lot of the workers come from there. On the
hunt camp that we were in, the trackers, we would
go down and pick up the trackers from one of
these villages down there. That I could talk all day about.
These trackers is absolutely amazing. The skill level they have
(08:17):
of being able to track animals and find animals, it's unbelievable.
You just watch them and it's weird to watch them work.
But the poverty. They're all outhouses, no plumbing, no water
going in. I'm not quite sure how they bring all
the water into these little communities. It's odd to look
at them. You see, you know, say a thousand of
(08:37):
these shacks with satellite dishes on almost all of them.
If they string electricity to them, they've got satellite dishes
and televisions and cell phonts. I mean, it's it's this.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Real mix of life that is the luxury.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, having a.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
As opposed to finding a way to have but you
can't put permanent water and so forth, because it's privately
on land.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Privately on land, and they have them. The one that
the nearest to where we were is in the middle
of nowhere. I mean there's no town there that is
the town. So there's schools or Limpopo thirty miles away
or so those kind of things. The literacy rate though
in the country is about ninety five percent, so they're
(09:23):
on the move to do this. You have to keep
in mind that would appertite apartheid or apparthide whatever was.
That was a late it's probably in the forties or
fifties where that got imposed. Prior to that, it was
sort of las fare and the universal suffrage didn't happen
until the nineties, so relatively recent. So it's a country
(09:47):
on the move. It's changing, but it's still it's heart
wrenching to see these villages with thousands of people living
in them.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Twenty one past the hour, doctor edmore with me talking
about South Africa and his recent journey there, and I
said to you in the break, I think most Americans
view the African nations through the lens of how we
see America, and we see this, well, this is America,
(10:22):
and that's Africa, and all of the states, well they
have states, they just call them countries. But I think
we have that perception that they have this kind of
interconnectedness because they're all part of Africa. But you were saying,
nothing could be further from the truth.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
No, No, they're all just so very different. The countries
are very different, they're governed different.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
They aren't the majority of them Islamic.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Oh no, no, Actually South Africa is eighty five.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Christian excepting South Africa, but.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
No, Christianity is pretty across all of the South of Africa.
If you get up into the north, yeah, then you're
getting Islamic countries and then interestingly, even South Africa at
eighty five percent Christian there's blended into that. It's sort
of like the Caribbean islands. You know that there's local
(11:17):
kind of stuff that traditional religion. I guess you would
call it. That's sort of blended in, sort of like
what Saint Patrick did with the Irish. I mean, you know,
same kind of thing. But it's very strong. I mean
I would ask people, are you know, in different plays,
are you Christian? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's very
and the language is interesting there as well. You've as
(11:38):
an American, you go to a place like this and
you feel stupid, okay because the lowest on the economic
ladder there people speak three languages. I mean, it's it's
just everywhere. I was one of the pH as. The
professional hunter had his two little boys that came to
the camp one day and they're like three and six
(11:58):
maybe or so. They speak Afrikaans, which is a combination
of Old Dutch and English, and they speak that. They
speak English fluently and a lot of them speak There
are twelve languages in South Africa.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I mean you talk about are they regional?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah? Tribal? Say, if you know, if we had time
to talk about the history of South Africa, hasn't been
a country country for very long. You know. The Dutch
came first in the sixteen hundreds and then the English
took over. They were focused on Cape Town and the south,
using ports to get around and inland were tribal. You know,
you have the everybody knows about Zulus and from movies
(12:39):
is what we know. But the different tribes controlled different provinces.
They are Orange Free State, which was Dutch controlled. They
had the Boer Wars and the eighteen hundreds, two different
Boer Wars that were tribes and the Dutch the settlers,
the Dutch settlers against the English. I mean, it's been
in conflict for a long time. So it's a relatively
(13:01):
modern nation in the sense of becoming a nation. They
didn't have universal suffrage, as I said, until the nineteen nineties,
so you know they're coming through that African National Congress
were the ones fighting against that apartheide to bring about change.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Now I know it is apartheid, yeah, but you're saying it.
I just want to make sure.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I'm hearing the Dutch guys.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, you know, so apartheid. Okay, tell me this because
I think it connects a little bit since these this
country Africa. The continent is made up of so many
different nations. Do they have an immigration problem?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, well they yeah, they do. We were in the
north and the three provinces to the north that are
bordered by Buttswana. And when you go up to that area,
you talk to the different people, well where are you from?
Did you grow up here?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And they just kind of look, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You're a terurist, I can tell you. And they're coming in.
They come in for jobs, come in for work, and
that's where a lot of the poverty comes from, if
you read on it. A lot of people come in there.
They come in for jobs and then they end up settling.
And they go first to these settlements or squatters villages,
and then they have their job, and then they lose
(14:21):
their job, and then what do they do. They don't
have transportation, they don't have a way out of there.
Going along the highways, you saw walkers all along the
highways out in the middle of nowhere, and you think,
how far is this? How far are they walking? You know,
and they're carrying loads and they're just walking trying to
get somewhere else. Public transportation is not great. But natural
(14:46):
resources and beauty like you've never seen in issues poachers.
You hear about poachers. So we had a rhino run
right in front of our truck, missing its the made
of hair largely, but that big horn on the front.
They trank them. They're going and trank them and cut
(15:07):
those off because the poachos will come in and kill
them and just cut it off and then leave the
rest of the animal lay there.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah. I've heard they're now going to literally kind of
sort of poisoning the thing so it's not worthy of
being taken.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
The object is to get rid of the horn to
preserve the animal. And the one that ran in front
of us had no horn on the front. You know,
it's kind of wait, it's missing something, and then you realize, yeah,
they took that off. We got charged by a heart
of elephants that was kind of cool on this back road.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Oh I bet it was real cool.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, a big mama elephant didn't like us, you.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Know, and ears went out.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
You can see the ears going out and waving, and
then all of a sudden she's running at us, and
the guy cranks up the truck and he's gone. He's
going exciting. You know, you think, okay, this like Disney
Did they stage this or no?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
It was real.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Encountered her came around a bush and there's a herd
of Wildeby's and we're staying real quiet, and all of
a sudden behind us to the right, you hear a
snorting and a stomping, and and realize one of the
bulls had gone around behind and did not like us
being there. We're out in the bush, and then then
they all start stampeding, fortunately away from us, not towards us.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, we saw hippos, we saw.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
You name it, we saw so you saw the real
man killers.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, well there are hippos.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
And and the buffaloe.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Actually number one killer in Africa mosquitoes still well, more
people die from mosquitos than anything.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So are you going back if you can't hunt?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I would, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Then there we should bring a camera, would it be
a photographer? Safari?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I did that this time. I've got amazing photographs. Yes,
it's worth doing. If I went back, I would see
more of the country, and I'd also go up into
Tanzania and go to like Victoria and see that kind
of stuff. But yeah, it's it's worth going. Direct flight
Now Delta is a direct flight.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
From from Tallahassee.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
No, you fly Tallassee International through Atlanta straight to Africa.
Fifteen plus hour flight from Atlanta to Johannesburg. And it's
the way to do it.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
That idea just nauseates me. Sorry, thanks for sharing your experience.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Doctor edmore with us twenty nine past the hour
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