May 1, 2025 • 14 mins
The GunWriter, Lee Williams, exposes the lies an ATF "Agent" told which framed a future Navy Seal and placed him behind bards for twenty years. How has this case not found its way to President Trump's desk?
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
All right, friends, welcome. It's the second hour of the
morning show with Preston Scott. It is great to be
with you. We gotta get busy though, and we are
joined by the gun writer. Ladies and gentlemen. He is
Lee Williams. Lee. Welcome to the show again. How are
you good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm doing welcher. How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I am doing really well. But I've got to tell
you when I when I read your latest story, boy,
I would imagine you've gotta you've gotta somehow find a
way to calm yourself down after writing about what's happened
to uh, this young man. To set this story up,
I want you to describe who Jeffrey Bodell is with
(00:48):
ATF and then share the story of Tate.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh boy, it's a little early for this.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Jeff Bodell is what they call a well I don't
think I'll use those words on your radio show.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
He is a Firearms Enforcement Officer FEO. He works for
the ATF. He's non sworn, he's not armed. He's a
specialist and unfortunately for Patrick Kate Adomiak and we've written
more than a dozen stories about him. Right now, this
(01:30):
kid made up a bunch of lies about the guns
founded Patrick's home, and unfortunately the jury believed him, and
Patrick's now doing twenty years. Jeff Brodell was a failed gunsmith.
He went to the small Gunsmithing Academy in Pittsburgh, tried
(01:53):
it on his own, tried it working for a couple
of places, couldn't make a dollar, so he joined the ATF.
It's terrible how they used this guy. He supposedly has
a Bachelor of Criminals Criminal Justice. I haven't been able
to get anything out of school to confirm that. He
supposedly graduated from the Pennsylvania Gunsmiths School. Had been able
(02:13):
to get anything out of the school to confirm that.
But man, you talk about a devastating guy. What he
did is he took all of this stuff, the legal
stuff they found at Patrick's home, and he turned it illegal.
And Patrick, who's now thirty one, has another seventeen years
to go in under prison. Now. Patrick was East sixth
(02:37):
and the Navy. He had a private gun site, a
website where he sold gun parts and not guns. Always
very careful. When they kicked down his door and went
through all his stuff, they didn't find anything illegal, which
is why they called him this odell character because he
made quite frankly.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I was going to say, when you say he turned
it illegal, we're not talking about in essence of euphemism,
for he just adequately described what the real sinister nature was.
You mean he literally turned some of these things into
illegal weapons firearms, I should say.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah. The worst thing for me were the RPGs, the
rock and propelled grenade launchers. Patrick had bought two of
these when he was nineteen in California, and he later
flew back to the East Coast with them in his luggage,
all taking apart atf or NSA. Never even opened to
his suitcase when they saw him. RPGs are rocket propelled
(03:42):
the AID launchers, Patrick said, two of them, which were
both made to shoot, not to shoot. I mean, they're
both made in this country. They didn't have any cyrillic
letters or anything on their training aids. AHTF took a
sub caliber training device which looks like the warhead, but
it is not. It's a gun. It fires a seven
(04:04):
to sixty by thirty nine millimeters round. They put it
on each gun, I'm sorry, on each RPG and pulled
the trigger and then fired one round. This thing will
fire around whether or not it's in a tube, in
an RPG regardless. I mean, it's just incredible the lengths
they went through to convict this guy. I mean, Patrick
knew these RPGs were were one hundred percent legal. I mean,
(04:27):
people would go over to his home and pose with
them in photos that they'd put it online. If you
want one right now, you can buy them online. They're
about one hundred and ten to three hundred and fifty
dollars the same thing he's in prison for. I just
don't get it.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
To buttress what Lee Williams was just saying about, because
some of you are like, really an RPG, Just pop
the question up in any AI answering service that's out there,
for example, if you google this, is it legal to
buy a RPG? Yes, in the United States, it is
legal to own a deactivated RPG, and it tells you
(05:11):
the guidelines and then you can look and you will
find them on sale all over the place. Lee, how
is it possible that a judge even allowed this conviction
and this type of evidence to be entered into the
court case.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Well, Boddell is the one who's responsible for that. This
was the first time he'd ever testified ever, he'd been
with ATF for about two years, and he just laid
it on so thick. And the judge turns out, was
pretty anti gun, and the jury unfortunately went along with them.
(05:49):
They're talking about air guns as if they're during the trial,
they were talking about airguns as if they were real rifles.
I mean, if you look at what this guy did,
he took a toy stendh and buy it's a submachine gun.
The one he had was a toy, and he made
it fire a couple of rounds by using a real
sten barrel and a real stand receiver, got it to
(06:10):
fire one round. Up, it's a submachine gun. I mean,
this was absolutely crazy. The crap that this guy did.
They wanted, they wanted to put Patrick in prison, and
that's what they did, and you know, Bodell was just
a way to do it. I mean, it's crazy. I
(06:31):
spoke to a former ATF officer, a senior ATF officer,
he's in the story, uh, mister O'Kelly, and he just
went off on what they were allowing, because you know,
a court should be all about the truth and quite frankly,
everything that they they charged this guy with they he had.
(06:53):
He had flats, which are flat pieces of metal that
are cut out and they they take a lot of
work to make them into a firearm. He had nine
hundred and seventy seven of them, and thank god mister
Kelly was able to get them. The judge to see that, hey,
they're just flat piece of metal. They're not machine guns
as they were charged. Otherwise Patrick would be in prison
(07:15):
for thirty years as opposed to twenty. I mean, the
excesses the craft that went on during this trial is legendary.
I've been through every firearm that he supposedly owned, and
not one of them is illegal. Man, and he's doing
twenty years.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
What is the status of any appeal that's going on here?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
He has an attorney filed they filed appeals. You know,
appeals are very time consuming. It's like Patrick said the
other day when I spoke to him, It's like he
feels like he goes to court once a year or
once every six months on these appeals. It could happen.
I would prefer a pardon. I think he's more eligible
(08:03):
for a pardon. Keep in mind, this is a kid
who would if he TF had left him alone, right,
now he'd be leaving a seal platoon. He was accepted
as an officer as he was an E six and
they were going to make him an officer in the
Navy and send him to seal School where he would
have excelled and would have gotten his trident. But he
(08:25):
never got that opportunity, and that to me, I mean,
if you know anything about seal school or any kind
of special operations, the number of slots available for active
duty E sixes is not a lot, and he would have,
especially at the officer level, he would have done very well.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Lee Williams has documented all of the abuses by the
ATF that we know of. There are likely hundreds, if
not thousands of abuses we don't know of, and the
need to raise in if not just outright abolish the agency,
which would be probably the preference that we have. Lee.
(09:07):
There is some good news coming out though, relative to
the Second Amendment Supreme Court dealing with a Minnesota appeal.
Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah. On Monday, the Supreme Court said that they don't
want to take the case involving this debate about age
restriction for weapons despite Minnesota, as please, which we're huge
and the gun rights groups, you know, like the Second
Amendment Fundation where I work, that successfully challenged Minnesota's age
limit on carrying hanyans. What this means, well, eighteen to
(09:38):
twenty year olds should be allowed to carry. I know
the Supreme Court looked at this landmark twenty twenty two ruling,
which they probably just agreed to let stand. So eighteen
to twenty year olds. These things don't happen overnight. We'll
be able to carry firearms hopefully soon. And that's a
(10:01):
major wind. When I say carry, I've been concealed.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Neighboring state Iowa, It's Governor Kim Reynolds just signed some
legislation that's related.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, And people that understand the firearms and the carry
of firearms. I mean I was eighteen when I was
carrying a firearm. It was in m sixteen. I was
in the army. There's nothing wrong with an adult, an
eighteen year old adult, carrying a firearm for self defense
and protection. Absolutely nothing in the world wrong with that whatsoever.
(10:37):
Yet these states just want to want to keep it,
you know, in a box until you're twenty one, and
then that to be that's crazy. We able to vote,
you're able to do everything when you're eighteen.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Closer to home in our state where you and I
both live, we saw the story unfold right down the
street from US at Florida State University, and once again,
or to Senate Democrats are killing legislation that would allow
students and faculty to carry on campus. Give me your
thoughts on all that.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
It was horrible. My heart goes out to the Morale
mister Morales, Robert Morales, and Trushaba families. I think this kid.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I don't want to use his name, thank you, and took.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
His mother's firearm. He's still in the hospital recovering from
a gunshot wound that Debies gave him to the face.
I wish they would have added a couple more rounds.
We wouldn't have to worry about court. But yeah, it happens, unfortunately.
And if you look at some of the photos of
the marches, you will see all of the groups there
(11:47):
that don't want to take away our rights to keep
in bare arms.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And that's the sad thing is that we have. It's
we have these loud voices and they missed the most
and that is that over and over again, Lee people
that are armed and are carrying legally are prevented, and
the people that are not allowed and shouldn't be carrying
do any way, and they ignore the laws, they ignore
(12:15):
the signs, they ignore the policies, and they shoot and
kill people and we can do nothing to stop them.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Thank you. That's exactly the case. And that's the case
that we have here too. It's sad they they protests.
They think, you know, it's it's a gun issue. No,
I mean, this is not a gun issue. This is
a really mixed up kid. And unfortunately he took his
mother's weapons, which he would have done. I don't care
(12:41):
what his.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Aid was, he'd have found guns. He wanted to commit
the crime exactly. Well, sadly, you know, it's almost like
I feel like there needs to be almost like a
faux movement to ban cars, trucks, SUVs, fertilizers, timers, baseball bats, bricks, bats, glass,
anything heavy, anything that looks mean that we need to
(13:05):
ban all of these things, because after all, they can
be used to hurt people.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Totally, they totally can. But you know, there's enough gun
laws out there, there's enough people out there who are
right in the head as opposed to this kid, and
I wish somebody would have been armed and would have
put this guy down.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, me too, And they were fortunate that there were
some actual, you know, tactical training going on nearby that
allowed them to respond. And now we know that the
young man was casing another state college nearby before he
ended up picking Florida State University, Lee and closing, what
cases or case are you looking at right now following
(13:46):
that you think is consequential?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I'm I wish I had a better answer. I am
on the domnianc case right now so hard and heavy.
We're trying to get him out of prison.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I talked to him ten times a week, and this kid,
I've never had a source like him in my life
and I've been doing journalism for twenty five years. This
kid does not belong in prison. He's an inn a
sip man.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
You should be a hero right now serving our country
as a Navy seal.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Absolutely one hundred percent. And he's going to try and
get in the Navy if you can get out soon, Lee.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Thank you, keep up the good work and just encourage
Tate that there's some people out here trying hard.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Thank you, Thank you. Lee Williams with us The gun
Writer twenty seven minutes after the hour. Read the work.
Find ways to help Lee Williams, Thegunwriter dot substack dot com,
All right, friends, welcome. It's the second hour of the
morning show with Preston Scott. It is great to be
with you. We gotta get busy though, and we are
joined by the gun writer. Ladies and gentlemen. He is
Lee Williams. Lee. Welcome to the show again. How are
you good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm doing welcher. How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I am doing really well. But I've got to tell
you when I when I read your latest story, boy,
I would imagine you've gotta you've gotta somehow find a
way to calm yourself down after writing about what's happened
to uh, this young man. To set this story up,
I want you to describe who Jeffrey Bodell is with
(00:48):
ATF and then share the story of Tate.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh boy, it's a little early for this.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Jeff Bodell is what they call a well I don't
think I'll use those words on your radio show.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
He is a Firearms Enforcement Officer FEO. He works for
the ATF. He's non sworn, he's not armed. He's a
specialist and unfortunately for Patrick Kate Adomiak and we've written
more than a dozen stories about him. Right now, this
(01:30):
kid made up a bunch of lies about the guns
founded Patrick's home, and unfortunately the jury believed him, and
Patrick's now doing twenty years. Jeff Brodell was a failed gunsmith.
He went to the small Gunsmithing Academy in Pittsburgh, tried
(01:53):
it on his own, tried it working for a couple
of places, couldn't make a dollar, so he joined the ATF.
It's terrible how they used this guy. He supposedly has
a Bachelor of Criminals Criminal Justice. I haven't been able
to get anything out of school to confirm that. He
supposedly graduated from the Pennsylvania Gunsmiths School. Had been able
(02:13):
to get anything out of the school to confirm that.
But man, you talk about a devastating guy. What he
did is he took all of this stuff, the legal
stuff they found at Patrick's home, and he turned it illegal.
And Patrick, who's now thirty one, has another seventeen years
to go in under prison. Now. Patrick was East sixth
(02:37):
and the Navy. He had a private gun site, a
website where he sold gun parts and not guns. Always
very careful. When they kicked down his door and went
through all his stuff, they didn't find anything illegal, which
is why they called him this odell character because he
made quite frankly.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I was going to say, when you say he turned
it illegal, we're not talking about in essence of euphemism,
for he just adequately described what the real sinister nature was.
You mean he literally turned some of these things into
illegal weapons firearms, I should say.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah. The worst thing for me were the RPGs, the
rock and propelled grenade launchers. Patrick had bought two of
these when he was nineteen in California, and he later
flew back to the East Coast with them in his luggage,
all taking apart atf or NSA. Never even opened to
his suitcase when they saw him. RPGs are rocket propelled
(03:42):
the AID launchers, Patrick said, two of them, which were
both made to shoot, not to shoot. I mean, they're
both made in this country. They didn't have any cyrillic
letters or anything on their training aids. AHTF took a
sub caliber training device which looks like the warhead, but
it is not. It's a gun. It fires a seven
(04:04):
to sixty by thirty nine millimeters round. They put it
on each gun, I'm sorry, on each RPG and pulled
the trigger and then fired one round. This thing will
fire around whether or not it's in a tube, in
an RPG regardless. I mean, it's just incredible the lengths
they went through to convict this guy. I mean, Patrick
knew these RPGs were were one hundred percent legal. I mean,
(04:27):
people would go over to his home and pose with
them in photos that they'd put it online. If you
want one right now, you can buy them online. They're
about one hundred and ten to three hundred and fifty
dollars the same thing he's in prison for. I just
don't get it.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
To buttress what Lee Williams was just saying about, because
some of you are like, really an RPG, Just pop
the question up in any AI answering service that's out there,
for example, if you google this, is it legal to
buy a RPG? Yes, in the United States, it is
legal to own a deactivated RPG, and it tells you
(05:11):
the guidelines and then you can look and you will
find them on sale all over the place. Lee, how
is it possible that a judge even allowed this conviction
and this type of evidence to be entered into the
court case.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Well, Boddell is the one who's responsible for that. This
was the first time he'd ever testified ever, he'd been
with ATF for about two years, and he just laid
it on so thick. And the judge turns out, was
pretty anti gun, and the jury unfortunately went along with them.
(05:49):
They're talking about air guns as if they're during the trial,
they were talking about airguns as if they were real rifles.
I mean, if you look at what this guy did,
he took a toy stendh and buy it's a submachine gun.
The one he had was a toy, and he made
it fire a couple of rounds by using a real
sten barrel and a real stand receiver, got it to
(06:10):
fire one round. Up, it's a submachine gun. I mean,
this was absolutely crazy. The crap that this guy did.
They wanted, they wanted to put Patrick in prison, and
that's what they did, and you know, Bodell was just
a way to do it. I mean, it's crazy. I
(06:31):
spoke to a former ATF officer, a senior ATF officer,
he's in the story, uh, mister O'Kelly, and he just
went off on what they were allowing, because you know,
a court should be all about the truth and quite frankly,
everything that they they charged this guy with they he had.
(06:53):
He had flats, which are flat pieces of metal that
are cut out and they they take a lot of
work to make them into a firearm. He had nine
hundred and seventy seven of them, and thank god mister
Kelly was able to get them. The judge to see that, hey,
they're just flat piece of metal. They're not machine guns
as they were charged. Otherwise Patrick would be in prison
(07:15):
for thirty years as opposed to twenty. I mean, the
excesses the craft that went on during this trial is legendary.
I've been through every firearm that he supposedly owned, and
not one of them is illegal. Man, and he's doing
twenty years.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
What is the status of any appeal that's going on here?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
He has an attorney filed they filed appeals. You know,
appeals are very time consuming. It's like Patrick said the
other day when I spoke to him, It's like he
feels like he goes to court once a year or
once every six months on these appeals. It could happen.
I would prefer a pardon. I think he's more eligible
(08:03):
for a pardon. Keep in mind, this is a kid
who would if he TF had left him alone, right,
now he'd be leaving a seal platoon. He was accepted
as an officer as he was an E six and
they were going to make him an officer in the
Navy and send him to seal School where he would
have excelled and would have gotten his trident. But he
(08:25):
never got that opportunity, and that to me, I mean,
if you know anything about seal school or any kind
of special operations, the number of slots available for active
duty E sixes is not a lot, and he would have,
especially at the officer level, he would have done very well.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Lee Williams has documented all of the abuses by the
ATF that we know of. There are likely hundreds, if
not thousands of abuses we don't know of, and the
need to raise in if not just outright abolish the agency,
which would be probably the preference that we have. Lee.
(09:07):
There is some good news coming out though, relative to
the Second Amendment Supreme Court dealing with a Minnesota appeal.
Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah. On Monday, the Supreme Court said that they don't
want to take the case involving this debate about age
restriction for weapons despite Minnesota, as please, which we're huge
and the gun rights groups, you know, like the Second
Amendment Fundation where I work, that successfully challenged Minnesota's age
limit on carrying hanyans. What this means, well, eighteen to
(09:38):
twenty year olds should be allowed to carry. I know
the Supreme Court looked at this landmark twenty twenty two ruling,
which they probably just agreed to let stand. So eighteen
to twenty year olds. These things don't happen overnight. We'll
be able to carry firearms hopefully soon. And that's a
(10:01):
major wind. When I say carry, I've been concealed.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Neighboring state Iowa, It's Governor Kim Reynolds just signed some
legislation that's related.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, And people that understand the firearms and the carry
of firearms. I mean I was eighteen when I was
carrying a firearm. It was in m sixteen. I was
in the army. There's nothing wrong with an adult, an
eighteen year old adult, carrying a firearm for self defense
and protection. Absolutely nothing in the world wrong with that whatsoever.
(10:37):
Yet these states just want to want to keep it,
you know, in a box until you're twenty one, and
then that to be that's crazy. We able to vote,
you're able to do everything when you're eighteen.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Closer to home in our state where you and I
both live, we saw the story unfold right down the
street from US at Florida State University, and once again,
or to Senate Democrats are killing legislation that would allow
students and faculty to carry on campus. Give me your
thoughts on all that.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
It was horrible. My heart goes out to the Morale
mister Morales, Robert Morales, and Trushaba families. I think this kid.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I don't want to use his name, thank you, and took.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
His mother's firearm. He's still in the hospital recovering from
a gunshot wound that Debies gave him to the face.
I wish they would have added a couple more rounds.
We wouldn't have to worry about court. But yeah, it happens, unfortunately.
And if you look at some of the photos of
the marches, you will see all of the groups there
(11:47):
that don't want to take away our rights to keep
in bare arms.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And that's the sad thing is that we have. It's
we have these loud voices and they missed the most
and that is that over and over again, Lee people
that are armed and are carrying legally are prevented, and
the people that are not allowed and shouldn't be carrying
do any way, and they ignore the laws, they ignore
(12:15):
the signs, they ignore the policies, and they shoot and
kill people and we can do nothing to stop them.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Thank you. That's exactly the case. And that's the case
that we have here too. It's sad they they protests.
They think, you know, it's it's a gun issue. No,
I mean, this is not a gun issue. This is
a really mixed up kid. And unfortunately he took his
mother's weapons, which he would have done. I don't care
(12:41):
what his.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Aid was, he'd have found guns. He wanted to commit
the crime exactly. Well, sadly, you know, it's almost like
I feel like there needs to be almost like a
faux movement to ban cars, trucks, SUVs, fertilizers, timers, baseball bats, bricks, bats, glass,
anything heavy, anything that looks mean that we need to
(13:05):
ban all of these things, because after all, they can
be used to hurt people.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Totally, they totally can. But you know, there's enough gun
laws out there, there's enough people out there who are
right in the head as opposed to this kid, and
I wish somebody would have been armed and would have
put this guy down.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, me too, And they were fortunate that there were
some actual, you know, tactical training going on nearby that
allowed them to respond. And now we know that the
young man was casing another state college nearby before he
ended up picking Florida State University, Lee and closing, what
cases or case are you looking at right now following
(13:46):
that you think is consequential?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I'm I wish I had a better answer. I am
on the domnianc case right now so hard and heavy.
We're trying to get him out of prison.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I talked to him ten times a week, and this kid,
I've never had a source like him in my life
and I've been doing journalism for twenty five years. This
kid does not belong in prison. He's an inn a
sip man.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
You should be a hero right now serving our country
as a Navy seal.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Absolutely one hundred percent. And he's going to try and
get in the Navy if you can get out soon, Lee.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Thank you, keep up the good work and just encourage
Tate that there's some people out here trying hard.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Thank you, Thank you. Lee Williams with us The gun
Writer twenty seven minutes after the hour. Read the work.
Find ways to help Lee Williams, Thegunwriter dot substack dot com,
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