February 25, 2025 • 26 mins
Let’s go back up to New York. I feel like the state of New York really is like 6 or 7 states combined. There are so many unique areas throughout the state. In this conversation I’m taking a trip up the Hudson River to beautiful Dutchess County.
You might not be familiar with Dutchess County by name, but you know it’s role in the history of this country. Have you ever heard of a guy by the name of Franklin D Roosevelt? Or maybe the Vanderbilts? Well they all had homes and businesses in Dutchess County.
This was the area where all of the robber barrons had their summer homes away from the hustle and bustle of New York City. So you can imagine the beauty and nature that fills Dutchess County. Now, these families don’t hold the same kind of power over the world that they did a hundred years ago, but their homes still stand and are incredible historical sites. The FDR Presidential Library and Museum is in Dutchess County, as is the site where Eleanor Roosevelt ran a furniture business.
And history is just one reason to make a visit there. I caught up with Melaine Rottkamp. She’s the president and CEO of Dutchess Tourism Inc, and she is a fountain of knowledge about her county. If she can’t sell you on making a visit, I don’t think anyone can. Please enjoy my conversation with Melaine Rottkamp.
You might not be familiar with Dutchess County by name, but you know it’s role in the history of this country. Have you ever heard of a guy by the name of Franklin D Roosevelt? Or maybe the Vanderbilts? Well they all had homes and businesses in Dutchess County.
This was the area where all of the robber barrons had their summer homes away from the hustle and bustle of New York City. So you can imagine the beauty and nature that fills Dutchess County. Now, these families don’t hold the same kind of power over the world that they did a hundred years ago, but their homes still stand and are incredible historical sites. The FDR Presidential Library and Museum is in Dutchess County, as is the site where Eleanor Roosevelt ran a furniture business.
And history is just one reason to make a visit there. I caught up with Melaine Rottkamp. She’s the president and CEO of Dutchess Tourism Inc, and she is a fountain of knowledge about her county. If she can’t sell you on making a visit, I don’t think anyone can. Please enjoy my conversation with Melaine Rottkamp.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, what's up, everybody. Welcome to Delightful Destinations. My name
is jeff Say Pierre, and welcome to episode twenty three
of the show. If this is your first time checking
out the program, I appreciate you being here and thank
you for sharing some of your time. Delightful Destinations is
a show that I created so I can talk to
representatives from different locations around the country and learn more
about these beautiful places that are all around us. I'm
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always looking for an excuse to get away from home,
and I hope that this show will help inspire you
for your next excursion. So let's go back up to
New York, all right. I feel like the state of
New York really is like six or seven states combined.
There are so many unique areas throughout that entire state.
In this conversation, I'm taking a trip up the Hudson
River to beautiful Duchess County. You might not be familiar
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with Duchess County by name, but you do know its
role in the history of this country. I mean, have
you ever heard of a guy by the name of
Franklin delanor Roosevelt, or maybe the Vanderbilts. Well, they all
had homes and businesses in Dutchess County. This was the
area where all the robber barons had their summer homes,
away from the hustle bustle of New York City. So
you can imagine the beauty and nature that fills Duchess County. Now,
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these families don't hold the same kind of power over
the world they did one hundred years ago, but their
homes still stand and are incredible historical sites. The FDR
Presidential Library and Museum is in Dutchess County, as is
the site where Eleanor Roosevelt ran a furniture business, and
history is just one reason to make a visit there.
I cut up with Mlayane rock Camp. She's the president
and CEO of Dutchess Tourism, Inc. And she's a fountain
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of knowledge about her county. If she can't sell you
on making a visit, I don't think anyone can. Please
enjoy my conversation with Mlane rock Camp.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So, first, tell me a little bit about yourself. How
did you find yourself in this position in this tourism world?
How'd you come here?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Oh, that's a great question. Through a long and winding road.
My education is in public relations in political science, and
I moved from central New York to the Hudson Valley
where we here are here right now in Poughkeepsie and
Duchess County a lot of different things, and then took
time off to raise my boys. And then when they
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got to a certain age, I was looking for something
to do. I was like, I'm ready to get out
and go, and I spit. Young staff laughed at me
because I tell them I saw an ad in the
newspaper that said the local tourism office was looking for
somebody to answer some phones, and so I said, well,
I can do that. You know, it's super close to
my house. And you know, when you get here and
it's a staff of four, they are small but mighty,
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and they're doing a lot of different things. But you
just look around and say, hey, what can I do
to help make things better? You know? So I went
from volunteer to part timer to full timer and had
a lot of jobs working my way up before I
became CEO in July of twenty twenty. Because what better
time is there to take the helm of a nonprofit
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tourism organization than in the middle of a worldwide pandemic.
So here we are, yeah, in.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
The middle of a time when no one's going where.
Although in the Hudson Valley you do have a lot
of outdoor space, which I guess would be a good
thing for you to promote in that time.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Exactly so, even in twenty twenty, visitors to Duchess Counties
still spent four hundred and seventeen million dollars because our
partners pivoted, you know, they looked, they took advantage of
those outdoor spaces. Some of them are performing art centers
built outdoor platforms and stages. Restaurant dining went outside. All
our farm activities were still fantastic, Our trails were amazing,
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Getting out in the water was still a safe thing
to do. So we were definitely a haven for people
to come to.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I love that. I love that you were able to pivot.
I love that you saw the opportunity. You and everybody
else you know in the county there saw those chances.
I live in Baltimore, and a lot of the restaurants
saw that opportunity too. They said, Hey, we've got spring, summer,
and fall that are all pretty nice to be outside.
Let's let's do that, like, let's make these things happen.
And I think that's just a smart plan, and a
lot of those restaurants still have the outdoor seating ready
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to go. I don't know if everybody in your area
has gone back inside full time. I mean, I'm sure
at this time of year they're inside, but I know
other times, I'm sure they've realized, well, people actually do
enjoy sitting outside.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
They do. And even before the pandemic, one of our
most popular spotlights were outdoor dining. People want to know
where they could sit outside in the beautiful Hudson Valley
and have a great meal. So that just continued.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That's it. I mean, I grew up in New England,
and I know that New York is not part of
New England, but where you are is very similar in
the area and just the makeup of the outdoors area.
And I love like summertime, springtime being outside like that
is just the place to be. I mean, I would
spend all my time outside if I could.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Have, yeah, you know what living And you know, I
went to school in Syracuse, and I grew up near Ithaca,
and you know, as soon as school started, you were
wearing jeans and sweaters. And I never liked fall until
I moved to the Hudson Valley because it's just that
much further south, that much closer to the coast, so
it's that much warmer, and you have really beautiful falls here.
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It is so lovely and crisp but not cold. You
still want to be outside in our orchards picking apples,
you want to be eating cider donuts, you want to
be having a nice craft beer out with the beautiful
views of the mountains and things. So you know, fall
in the Hudson Valley is spectacular and it is our
busiest time of year.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It's also just funny to think about New York State
in general, because it's like you've got eight states all
mashed into one, just the way everything changes. Like my
wife grew up in the Binghamton area, so I've gotten
to know that part of the state a little bit
better over the years, and it's just so fascinating how
much different that is from the Hudson Valley. Of course,
the city, you know, down southeast, that's a whole different situation.
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But like even Buffalo is different from Rochester for sure.
It's wild to me, like how many essentially states you
have in one.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You're not wrong. And I you know, it's so funny
because my youngest son went to college in Rochester and
from here in Poughkeepsie that's four hours and forty five
minutes away. I could be in Baltimore almost in that
same amount of time and staying within New York State
to go to Rochester. People don't understand how massive New
York State is.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's remarkable, all right, So, Melaye, let's talk about Dutchess County,
New York. We've talked a little bit about the Hudson
Valley here, but like, give me your elevator pitch for
your county.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, so there are a lot of unique things that
you can can't do anywhere else but here in the
Hudson Valley. And so you know, one of those top
attractions for us is the Franklin Deleanor Roosevelt Home Presidential
Library and Museum. It is the first presidential library in America.
It's the only one used by a sit in president.
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He used it while he was president. Here there is
a hotline to the White House from Hyde Park here,
and he's also buried here. Eleanor is here. Hyde Park
is also the home to the only National Historic site
dedicated to a first Lady. Eleanor Roosevelt herself was an
incredible person. She had a property across town where she
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and three friends had opened a furniture making factory ran
for ten years called val Kil Industries. But she had
a very modest cottage that she lived in there. It's
not open in the winter, but in the spring it
will reopen. But world leaders would come to gain her
favor at this tiny, modest cottage here in Hyde Park.
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So that's really incredible. In terms of our outdoors, which
you talked about, we have the Walkway over the Hudson.
It is the longest elevated pedestrian bridge in the world.
It's a converted railroad bridge built by Italian immigrants primarily
in the late eighteen hundreds, and it has been open
here as a tourism attraction for the last fifteen years,
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bringing hundreds of thousands of people to this free New
York State Historic Park. So lots of cool things to
do their outdoors, history, a lot of other great estates there.
We're home to the Culinary Institute of America, which is
the world's premier culinary cottage college. Excuse me. We have
lots of farms that fuel those chefs, tons of amazing
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things to do. We're just ninety minutes north of New
York City.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Even wilder too, and we were just talking about how
big New York State is. You're still ninety minutes north
of New York City. Like you look at a map,
it doesn't seem like it's that far, but you're still
an hour and a half north. But we did talk
a little bit about the food leading into this and
how popular people found it to go to Duchess County
and eat and just hang out. I love this. You
have the Culinary Institute of America there, and it just
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seems like food is what brings everybody together in your area.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
That is absolutely the truth.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And we're so spoiled when people travel and they're like
they have restaurants and they dine and everything, and gosh,
you know, so many times I'm out on the road
and I.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Say to myself that there's no dining like in the
HUDs of Elle, like in Duchess County because because of
those chefs. So, you know, the wonderful programs they have
at the CIA, people can go dine there. They have
four student run restaurants on campus. You can take a
boot camp or a cooking class there yourself. You don't
have to be a student. They have ones that they
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call their food Enthusiast classes. I've done them. They are phenomenal.
Just even visiting the campus, they do a little taste
and tour. You can learn how to taste like a
chef in an hour. It's a lot of fun. So
all those students, a lot of them. Of course, they leave,
they go out and they work in Michelin Star restaurants
all over the world. But gosh, so many of them
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come back here because they love it. They love the area,
the beauty of it. They love the quality of the
restaurants and the chefs here. They love the access to
our farms. We have seventeen hundred farms in the county
and a lot of them are growing and producing amazing
fresh ingredients, hyper local ingredients for those chefs to use.
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Those menus change all the time. Farm to table has
been a way of life here before it ever became hip.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You guys were you guys weren'to farm to table before
it was cool?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah? I like that, that's it.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But if you have all that stuff at your fingertip.
I mean, I'm so certain they would use it, right.
I mean, these are chefs, if they're getting trained at
such a high level, these are chefs that want to
be able to show off their skill. If I know
anything about chefs, there is an ego in there and
they all want to do the best and they want
to have the coolest menus. So I can one hundred
percent see them capitalizing on all the things that are
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at their fingertips right in Dutchess County.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That's the truth. And so one of the things that
we do is we have something called the CIA Chef Finder,
and so what you know, it's funny because you know,
for us, the CIA is all about food, which is
a little bit different for you in the Baltimore area.
Thinking about what the CIA is. You don't need a
security clearance to go to ours. And so we have
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the Chef Finder because there are more than forty eateries
in Dutchess County that are owned or run by where
they're the head chef graduates of the Culinary Institute of America.
So you know, we like to say it is a
variety of cuisines with one standard of excellence. So you're
going to find everything from fine dining like you would expect,
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to ice cream that's cow to cone in three days,
to internationally award winning pizza to the best burgers you've
ever eaten in your life. I mean, it just goes
on and on and on. You know, great restaurants and
bakeries that have vegan foods and options that are incredible.
You know, so many donuts. Oh my gosh, don't get
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me started on the donuts. So it's a really fun thing.
And so the CIA Cheffinder helps people find all these
restaurants and then go and do a chicken challenge. Some
of them have discounts. You can win prizes at the
CIA like merch or a gift certificate to their apple
Pie Bakery, or you're entered into a drawing for a
meal there. So it's a really fun digital passport that
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we have that a lot of people take advantage of
here in our community as well as our visitors.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I love those digital passports. A lot of places are
starting to adopt those, and I think there's so much
fun because it really does open your eyes to all
the things that are around you and helps you make
a plan for things that you might want to check
out and you might want to see I think that's
such a fantastic idea.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah it is. And you know a lot of times
when people travel, they say, you know, travel and live
like a local, And for us, we tell our locals
we want you to live like a traveler. We want
you to go have that amazing meal that you don't
think about on a daily basis. We want you to
go to the historic sites and the museums that maybe
you haven't been to since you were an elementary school
on a field trip. And we want you to take
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all the touristy photos and share them on your Instagram.
We want you to go do all those things that
if you were on vacation you would absolutely take advantage
of in our destination.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Well, what goes great with some food is some drinks
to wash it down. I know your area has so
much when it comes to the craft beverage world, not
just beers, but distillery, I mean everything. Tell me more
about that.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, yeah, we've got it all here. So you know,
there's there's fourteen breweries in the county. They kind of
each have their own style, which is a lot of fun,
and they don't see it is competition at all. In fact,
we've got a program coming up. It's going to do
a lot of collaboration, so it's going to be really fun.
But the incredible breweries, some of them are farm breweries.
The Hudson Valley is the oldest wine making region in
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the country, so we have wonderful wineries here, the the Tarra, Ferma, Taro, Toroi,
the whole the whole thing is perfect here for growing
grapes and for producing wines, so we have a lot
of wineries. We also have distilleries, you know that you
can find everything from from Scottish style to you know,
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American rides and whiskeys and gins and bourbons and all
the things, vodkas, you name it. I think we have
it here, moonshine, everything. And then we have sideries because
we have those great farms growing apples and heirloom apples,
and so we have a number of wonderful sighteries. And
then we have a metery. We have one meaty so
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if you like honey wine, which is mead, not necessarily
the Renaissance mead that you're thinking of. It is super sweet,
but really incredible variety of needs that are produced by
the Slate Point Metery, which is right next door to
the Zeus Brewing Company, so you can hit a twofer
in Poughkeepsie. And then brand new that we have is
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the Dcyblu Sake Brewery. So the Asaki Sho z Osaki
Company in Japan, which is their their largest one, their
most impressive one, has built their North American and European
distribution center here in Hyde Park. So it's right halfway
between the Culinary Institute of America and the FDR Home
and Library. It's like a ten minute trip from one
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to the other. And they're producing the Jenmeidaiginjo sake, which
is the highest quality that they have. You can go tour,
you can do tastings. It's really so unique and it's
so special to have them here as a part of
our craft Beverage mix we it's been open for just
over a year and we love it there.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And you've got a tasting pass as well, right, is
that another digital pass?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
It is. That one's a paid when all that we
have eight total, so seven of them are free, but
the teasing pass there's a one day, a three day,
and then for our locals, we have a ninety day.
But you know, we want to encourage people. You can
go taste at all of them if you do the
one day, though we kind of limit you to four
because we want you to be responsible and safe. But
do the three day and get get somebody to drive
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you around, and you can go taste at all of
them because they're all a part of that Digital Experience Pass.
That's a paid test, but it's discounted. So if you
went to those places, you'd get you free flights and
poors and sometimes some merchant swag and other things there.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Milaya.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Know.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Another thing about your area is it's just shock full
of history. I know everybody everybody's area has some form
of history, but I mean, boy, you talk about a
special period of time that there were some big names
and a lot of big movers and shakers going through
Dutchess County. Let's take a look back at some of
those great estates you have right down there in your area.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Right. So if you're if your folks are watching The
Gilded Age on HBO or you've seen Downton Abbey, you
know all those families that they talk about are here
in the Hudson Valley. They have their getaways from New
York City here along the banks of the Hudson, so
you know everything from the Roosevelts, who we've talked about,
to the Vanderbilts. They had one of their small quote
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unquote estates here and I think it's like nine rooms
or something like that, so you know, it's not the Breakers,
but it's spectacular. Nonetheless, these Gilded Age mansions. And then
just up the road ten minutes from them, or the
Mills family. She was a Livingston who are here from
our country's founding, And that's a really interesting story. The
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Mills family at Stattsburg State Historic Site. They had return
tickets on the Titanic. Their friends, the Astors, who live
also just up the road, perished on the ship. If
you've seen the movie Titanic, you know the Astor's site
down with the ship. But the Mills had tickets. They
were supposed to go to Europe on the Titanic, and
obviously that didn't happen. So they do really wonderful historic
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themed tours. They do a Titanic tour in April to
line up with that anniversary. They're decorated incredibly elaborately for
the holidays. They have a story like downt Nabbey where
one of their daughters married and English baron and you know,
so telling those upstairs downstairs stories. We have a lot
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of great sites that do that that Gilded Age splendor.
We're home to the Samuel Morris estate called Locust Grove,
so that inventor of the Morse Code also lived here
in the Hudson Valley in Duchess County along the Hudson River.
But you know that Gilded Age time of year is incredible.
Obviously learning about Fdr and Eleanor and the work that
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they did. She helped co author the Universal Declaration of
Human Rights. She was pivotabal in that movement and working
to gain human and civil rights for people. But then
you can go all the way back to the revolutionary
and colonial time period in our indigenous history here where
you've got Moulgoolian and that was the home and temporary
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headquarters or General von Steuben. He's the one who helped
train our militia to be a real fighting army. We
have the John Keenehouse that was a temporary headquarters from
for George Washington. So there's a lot of things going on.
We have the oldest continuously operating in an America. The
Beakman arms a lot of movers and shakers through the
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Hudson Valley throughout our history.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
That's remarkable. I love talking to folks in positions like
yours that are up in that particular part of the country,
you know, New England, New York, because there is so
much that goes back to the founding moments of this nation.
And you can find so many remarkable things that you know,
other parts of the country don't. They just don't have
because they weren't. They weren't here in that time, right,
like things weren't happening all across this country at the
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same time. And it's just fascinating to see what still exists,
what is still there that we can witness and that
we can look at from three hundred years ago.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
That's right, And with you know, so many such a
focus on telling our whole story, not just the story
of those you know folks with all the money, you
get to hear the stories of real people who lived here,
and we get to work closely with our county historian
will paint them. Who's fantastic, and our staff learns so
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much all the time about these little hidden gems and
other things that we just didn't know, and the lives
of people and the stories that they have to talent
and so you know, a visit to Duchess County gives
you that opportunity to find out some really cool stuff
about a whole lot of things.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, and you make it really easy for everyone to
be able to come to Duchess County and enjoy all
these things as well. You've made it very accessible for folks.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
We try, we do, and we wanted to be So
that's part of our mission. Our county executive who became
a Congressman, Mark Molnaro, started the Think Differently movement and
that's you know, going on ten years now. He has
a daughter who is on the autism spectrum and he
really wanted to advocate or those folks and to help
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our businesses and our people and our community think differently
about people who have disabilities. And we want people to
be welcoming, We want businesses to be welcoming. We want
to think about how do we work together to continue
to improve accessibility in our spaces so it's easy for
people to come and when when you know, when you're
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promoting tourism, obviously you want don't want that to be limited.
You want everyone to be able to come and experience
the things that we love about our communities. So we
work with the county. We've also worked with an organization
called Wheel the World, and they came and did some
assessments for us at more than fifty of our hotels,
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restaurants and attractions to measure how accessible they were. So,
you know, they got green lights for all the things
that was going great, they got some yellow lights for
here's some things that you could do to improve and
then you know, maybe there are some red things. You
want to say, hey, let's put some attention on fixing this,
or making a plan to fix this, putting some money
aside to budget to fix this. And so we worked
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with them to help our partners be more aware. We
provide training for them not only on how to physically
make the space better, but how to make our staff
we're welcoming and understanding and able to support and provide
excellent customer servers for people coming to their establishment. So
it's something that we continue to work on. You know,
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there's never never going to cross that goal line where
everything is one hundred percent for everyone because everyone is different.
But we're working down that path and in celebrating some
milestones as we go to keep enthusiasm up and continue
to increase that accessibility for all.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And if you want to get a little more adventurous.
We don't really touch much on the outdoor stop, but
I mean there's hiking, there is the Hudson River. I mean,
there's a bike. There's so many other options. If you
just want to get outside and get some exercise and
just check things out, you've got plenty of that too.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
That's right. We had part of the Appalachian Trail. Untrue,
Duchess County there's a train stop, so we talked about
being just ninety minutes of New York City. That's an
easy train ride. So if you want to, you could
take Amtrak all the way up from from Baltimore, and
in your area you could drive up, or you could
fly to New York City and then take the train up.
It's easy. It's a beautiful, beautiful ride along the Hudson River.
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If you take the Metro North line up on the
Hudson side, there's the Harlem line that goes up the
eastern side of the county, and so that one is
the one that has the stop at the Appalachian Trail,
a direct one on this side. On the Hudson side,
we have stopped at Breakneck Mountain, which is incredibly famous.
If you've seen the New York state flag, there's a
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mountain on it and that's Mount Beacon. That's a part
of Dutchess County, and that's an incredibly beautiful views. From
the fire tower there, you can see New York City
on a clear day, which is wild, so that's pretty neat.
Lots to meet fire towers to give you some incredible views.
And we're surrounded by mountains between those HUDs and the
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Highlands and the Berkshires and Taconics and the Catskills, we
are surrounded by mountains and it is just so beautiful.
The hiking trails are spectacular, just lots of great opportunities
to got out and not only enjoy the river on
kayaks and cruise boats and things like that, but to cycle.
We're part of the Empire State Trail, so if you've
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not heard of that, that is a trail that goes
from Lower Manhattan all the way to Canada and then
it goes east to west from Albany to Buffalo. So
you could theoretically ride a bike on all those trails
and through Duchess County. Most of that are converted rail trails,
so there's no traffic, which is really wonderful, especially if
you've got kids and you want to do you know,
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a pretty flat ride with without that traffic. It's nice
and safe, and so we're so blessed to have that
close by to us.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Melane, You've got a remarkable place there where you live.
Where can people go if they want to find out
more information or start planning their trip?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
That's right. You can go to duchesstourism dot com. That's
dut C eight eesstourism dot com and we would love
you to come visit with us. You can call our
office at anytime Monday through Friday. That number is eight
four five four sixty three four thousand, and my team
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would be happy to help you come up with an
itinerary that is perfect for you and your visit. The
only thing that we didn't talk about is the art
you so everything from Diabcon, which is a major modern
art museum. It's a converted Nabisco box factory in Beacon
on the Hudson River, and so it's got really large
pieces of art in there. And then we have the
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Bardivon eighteen sixty Opera House, which is one of the
oldest opera houses in the state and has a wonderful
Warlitzer organ, and they do all kinds of performances there
all the way working up to Bard College in the
northern part of the county where they are the Fisher Center,
designed by Frank Geary. The Fisher Center hosts the Bar
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Music Festival every summer and summer, which is eight weeks
of music and performances there on the campus. It's incredible.
We have a lot of other historic venues for performances,
amazing things that happen, partnerships with New York Season Films
and Vasser College and Maris College, and so a lot
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of those Broadway shows, including Hamilton, got their start here
in Pocupsie, So.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
It's pretty neat Malayne Rockcamp, President and CEO of Duchess Tourism, Inc.
Malane has been a pleasure in chatting with you. Thank
you so much for sharing this wonderful story and I
hope to get up your way sometime in.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
The near future.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Thanks. We would love to have you.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Big thank you to Malaine Rockcamp from Dutchess Tourism, Inc.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Again.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
If you want to learn more about Dutchess County, New
York and start planning your trip, please visit Dutchesstourism dot
com and that's Duchess Dutch e Ss Tourism dot com.
And thank you to all of you for listening to
this episode of Delightful Destinations. I really hope you enjoyed
our conversation. Until next t be Will
Hey, what's up, everybody. Welcome to Delightful Destinations. My name
is jeff Say Pierre, and welcome to episode twenty three
of the show. If this is your first time checking
out the program, I appreciate you being here and thank
you for sharing some of your time. Delightful Destinations is
a show that I created so I can talk to
representatives from different locations around the country and learn more
about these beautiful places that are all around us. I'm
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always looking for an excuse to get away from home,
and I hope that this show will help inspire you
for your next excursion. So let's go back up to
New York, all right. I feel like the state of
New York really is like six or seven states combined.
There are so many unique areas throughout that entire state.
In this conversation, I'm taking a trip up the Hudson
River to beautiful Duchess County. You might not be familiar
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with Duchess County by name, but you do know its
role in the history of this country. I mean, have
you ever heard of a guy by the name of
Franklin delanor Roosevelt, or maybe the Vanderbilts. Well, they all
had homes and businesses in Dutchess County. This was the
area where all the robber barons had their summer homes,
away from the hustle bustle of New York City. So
you can imagine the beauty and nature that fills Duchess County. Now,
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these families don't hold the same kind of power over
the world they did one hundred years ago, but their
homes still stand and are incredible historical sites. The FDR
Presidential Library and Museum is in Dutchess County, as is
the site where Eleanor Roosevelt ran a furniture business, and
history is just one reason to make a visit there.
I cut up with Mlayane rock Camp. She's the president
and CEO of Dutchess Tourism, Inc. And she's a fountain
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of knowledge about her county. If she can't sell you
on making a visit, I don't think anyone can. Please
enjoy my conversation with Mlane rock Camp.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So, first, tell me a little bit about yourself. How
did you find yourself in this position in this tourism world?
How'd you come here?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Oh, that's a great question. Through a long and winding road.
My education is in public relations in political science, and
I moved from central New York to the Hudson Valley
where we here are here right now in Poughkeepsie and
Duchess County a lot of different things, and then took
time off to raise my boys. And then when they
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got to a certain age, I was looking for something
to do. I was like, I'm ready to get out
and go, and I spit. Young staff laughed at me
because I tell them I saw an ad in the
newspaper that said the local tourism office was looking for
somebody to answer some phones, and so I said, well,
I can do that. You know, it's super close to
my house. And you know, when you get here and
it's a staff of four, they are small but mighty,
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and they're doing a lot of different things. But you
just look around and say, hey, what can I do
to help make things better? You know? So I went
from volunteer to part timer to full timer and had
a lot of jobs working my way up before I
became CEO in July of twenty twenty. Because what better
time is there to take the helm of a nonprofit
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tourism organization than in the middle of a worldwide pandemic.
So here we are, yeah, in.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
The middle of a time when no one's going where.
Although in the Hudson Valley you do have a lot
of outdoor space, which I guess would be a good
thing for you to promote in that time.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Exactly so, even in twenty twenty, visitors to Duchess Counties
still spent four hundred and seventeen million dollars because our
partners pivoted, you know, they looked, they took advantage of
those outdoor spaces. Some of them are performing art centers
built outdoor platforms and stages. Restaurant dining went outside. All
our farm activities were still fantastic, Our trails were amazing,
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Getting out in the water was still a safe thing
to do. So we were definitely a haven for people
to come to.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I love that. I love that you were able to pivot.
I love that you saw the opportunity. You and everybody
else you know in the county there saw those chances.
I live in Baltimore, and a lot of the restaurants
saw that opportunity too. They said, Hey, we've got spring, summer,
and fall that are all pretty nice to be outside.
Let's let's do that, like, let's make these things happen.
And I think that's just a smart plan, and a
lot of those restaurants still have the outdoor seating ready
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to go. I don't know if everybody in your area
has gone back inside full time. I mean, I'm sure
at this time of year they're inside, but I know
other times, I'm sure they've realized, well, people actually do
enjoy sitting outside.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
They do. And even before the pandemic, one of our
most popular spotlights were outdoor dining. People want to know
where they could sit outside in the beautiful Hudson Valley
and have a great meal. So that just continued.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That's it. I mean, I grew up in New England,
and I know that New York is not part of
New England, but where you are is very similar in
the area and just the makeup of the outdoors area.
And I love like summertime, springtime being outside like that
is just the place to be. I mean, I would
spend all my time outside if I could.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Have, yeah, you know what living And you know, I
went to school in Syracuse, and I grew up near Ithaca,
and you know, as soon as school started, you were
wearing jeans and sweaters. And I never liked fall until
I moved to the Hudson Valley because it's just that
much further south, that much closer to the coast, so
it's that much warmer, and you have really beautiful falls here.
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It is so lovely and crisp but not cold. You
still want to be outside in our orchards picking apples,
you want to be eating cider donuts, you want to
be having a nice craft beer out with the beautiful
views of the mountains and things. So you know, fall
in the Hudson Valley is spectacular and it is our
busiest time of year.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It's also just funny to think about New York State
in general, because it's like you've got eight states all
mashed into one, just the way everything changes. Like my
wife grew up in the Binghamton area, so I've gotten
to know that part of the state a little bit
better over the years, and it's just so fascinating how
much different that is from the Hudson Valley. Of course,
the city, you know, down southeast, that's a whole different situation.
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But like even Buffalo is different from Rochester for sure.
It's wild to me, like how many essentially states you
have in one.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You're not wrong. And I you know, it's so funny
because my youngest son went to college in Rochester and
from here in Poughkeepsie that's four hours and forty five
minutes away. I could be in Baltimore almost in that
same amount of time and staying within New York State
to go to Rochester. People don't understand how massive New
York State is.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's remarkable, all right, So, Melaye, let's talk about Dutchess County,
New York. We've talked a little bit about the Hudson
Valley here, but like, give me your elevator pitch for
your county.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, so there are a lot of unique things that
you can can't do anywhere else but here in the
Hudson Valley. And so you know, one of those top
attractions for us is the Franklin Deleanor Roosevelt Home Presidential
Library and Museum. It is the first presidential library in America.
It's the only one used by a sit in president.
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He used it while he was president. Here there is
a hotline to the White House from Hyde Park here,
and he's also buried here. Eleanor is here. Hyde Park
is also the home to the only National Historic site
dedicated to a first Lady. Eleanor Roosevelt herself was an
incredible person. She had a property across town where she
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and three friends had opened a furniture making factory ran
for ten years called val Kil Industries. But she had
a very modest cottage that she lived in there. It's
not open in the winter, but in the spring it
will reopen. But world leaders would come to gain her
favor at this tiny, modest cottage here in Hyde Park.
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So that's really incredible. In terms of our outdoors, which
you talked about, we have the Walkway over the Hudson.
It is the longest elevated pedestrian bridge in the world.
It's a converted railroad bridge built by Italian immigrants primarily
in the late eighteen hundreds, and it has been open
here as a tourism attraction for the last fifteen years,
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bringing hundreds of thousands of people to this free New
York State Historic Park. So lots of cool things to
do their outdoors, history, a lot of other great estates there.
We're home to the Culinary Institute of America, which is
the world's premier culinary cottage college. Excuse me. We have
lots of farms that fuel those chefs, tons of amazing
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things to do. We're just ninety minutes north of New
York City.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Even wilder too, and we were just talking about how
big New York State is. You're still ninety minutes north
of New York City. Like you look at a map,
it doesn't seem like it's that far, but you're still
an hour and a half north. But we did talk
a little bit about the food leading into this and
how popular people found it to go to Duchess County
and eat and just hang out. I love this. You
have the Culinary Institute of America there, and it just
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seems like food is what brings everybody together in your area.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
That is absolutely the truth.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And we're so spoiled when people travel and they're like
they have restaurants and they dine and everything, and gosh,
you know, so many times I'm out on the road
and I.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Say to myself that there's no dining like in the
HUDs of Elle, like in Duchess County because because of
those chefs. So, you know, the wonderful programs they have
at the CIA, people can go dine there. They have
four student run restaurants on campus. You can take a
boot camp or a cooking class there yourself. You don't
have to be a student. They have ones that they
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call their food Enthusiast classes. I've done them. They are phenomenal.
Just even visiting the campus, they do a little taste
and tour. You can learn how to taste like a
chef in an hour. It's a lot of fun. So
all those students, a lot of them. Of course, they leave,
they go out and they work in Michelin Star restaurants
all over the world. But gosh, so many of them
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come back here because they love it. They love the area,
the beauty of it. They love the quality of the
restaurants and the chefs here. They love the access to
our farms. We have seventeen hundred farms in the county
and a lot of them are growing and producing amazing
fresh ingredients, hyper local ingredients for those chefs to use.
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Those menus change all the time. Farm to table has
been a way of life here before it ever became hip.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You guys were you guys weren'to farm to table before
it was cool?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah? I like that, that's it.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But if you have all that stuff at your fingertip.
I mean, I'm so certain they would use it, right.
I mean, these are chefs, if they're getting trained at
such a high level, these are chefs that want to
be able to show off their skill. If I know
anything about chefs, there is an ego in there and
they all want to do the best and they want
to have the coolest menus. So I can one hundred
percent see them capitalizing on all the things that are
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at their fingertips right in Dutchess County.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That's the truth. And so one of the things that
we do is we have something called the CIA Chef Finder,
and so what you know, it's funny because you know,
for us, the CIA is all about food, which is
a little bit different for you in the Baltimore area.
Thinking about what the CIA is. You don't need a
security clearance to go to ours. And so we have
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the Chef Finder because there are more than forty eateries
in Dutchess County that are owned or run by where
they're the head chef graduates of the Culinary Institute of America.
So you know, we like to say it is a
variety of cuisines with one standard of excellence. So you're
going to find everything from fine dining like you would expect,
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to ice cream that's cow to cone in three days,
to internationally award winning pizza to the best burgers you've
ever eaten in your life. I mean, it just goes
on and on and on. You know, great restaurants and
bakeries that have vegan foods and options that are incredible.
You know, so many donuts. Oh my gosh, don't get
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me started on the donuts. So it's a really fun thing.
And so the CIA Cheffinder helps people find all these
restaurants and then go and do a chicken challenge. Some
of them have discounts. You can win prizes at the
CIA like merch or a gift certificate to their apple
Pie Bakery, or you're entered into a drawing for a
meal there. So it's a really fun digital passport that
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we have that a lot of people take advantage of
here in our community as well as our visitors.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I love those digital passports. A lot of places are
starting to adopt those, and I think there's so much
fun because it really does open your eyes to all
the things that are around you and helps you make
a plan for things that you might want to check
out and you might want to see I think that's
such a fantastic idea.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah it is. And you know a lot of times
when people travel, they say, you know, travel and live
like a local, And for us, we tell our locals
we want you to live like a traveler. We want
you to go have that amazing meal that you don't
think about on a daily basis. We want you to
go to the historic sites and the museums that maybe
you haven't been to since you were an elementary school
on a field trip. And we want you to take
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all the touristy photos and share them on your Instagram.
We want you to go do all those things that
if you were on vacation you would absolutely take advantage
of in our destination.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Well, what goes great with some food is some drinks
to wash it down. I know your area has so
much when it comes to the craft beverage world, not
just beers, but distillery, I mean everything. Tell me more
about that.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, yeah, we've got it all here. So you know,
there's there's fourteen breweries in the county. They kind of
each have their own style, which is a lot of fun,
and they don't see it is competition at all. In fact,
we've got a program coming up. It's going to do
a lot of collaboration, so it's going to be really fun.
But the incredible breweries, some of them are farm breweries.
The Hudson Valley is the oldest wine making region in
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the country, so we have wonderful wineries here, the the Tarra, Ferma, Taro, Toroi,
the whole the whole thing is perfect here for growing
grapes and for producing wines, so we have a lot
of wineries. We also have distilleries, you know that you
can find everything from from Scottish style to you know,
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American rides and whiskeys and gins and bourbons and all
the things, vodkas, you name it. I think we have
it here, moonshine, everything. And then we have sideries because
we have those great farms growing apples and heirloom apples,
and so we have a number of wonderful sighteries. And
then we have a metery. We have one meaty so
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if you like honey wine, which is mead, not necessarily
the Renaissance mead that you're thinking of. It is super sweet,
but really incredible variety of needs that are produced by
the Slate Point Metery, which is right next door to
the Zeus Brewing Company, so you can hit a twofer
in Poughkeepsie. And then brand new that we have is
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the Dcyblu Sake Brewery. So the Asaki Sho z Osaki
Company in Japan, which is their their largest one, their
most impressive one, has built their North American and European
distribution center here in Hyde Park. So it's right halfway
between the Culinary Institute of America and the FDR Home
and Library. It's like a ten minute trip from one
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to the other. And they're producing the Jenmeidaiginjo sake, which
is the highest quality that they have. You can go tour,
you can do tastings. It's really so unique and it's
so special to have them here as a part of
our craft Beverage mix we it's been open for just
over a year and we love it there.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And you've got a tasting pass as well, right, is
that another digital pass?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
It is. That one's a paid when all that we
have eight total, so seven of them are free, but
the teasing pass there's a one day, a three day,
and then for our locals, we have a ninety day.
But you know, we want to encourage people. You can
go taste at all of them if you do the
one day, though we kind of limit you to four
because we want you to be responsible and safe. But
do the three day and get get somebody to drive
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you around, and you can go taste at all of
them because they're all a part of that Digital Experience Pass.
That's a paid test, but it's discounted. So if you
went to those places, you'd get you free flights and
poors and sometimes some merchant swag and other things there.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Milaya.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Know.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Another thing about your area is it's just shock full
of history. I know everybody everybody's area has some form
of history, but I mean, boy, you talk about a
special period of time that there were some big names
and a lot of big movers and shakers going through
Dutchess County. Let's take a look back at some of
those great estates you have right down there in your area.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Right. So if you're if your folks are watching The
Gilded Age on HBO or you've seen Downton Abbey, you
know all those families that they talk about are here
in the Hudson Valley. They have their getaways from New
York City here along the banks of the Hudson, so
you know everything from the Roosevelts, who we've talked about,
to the Vanderbilts. They had one of their small quote
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unquote estates here and I think it's like nine rooms
or something like that, so you know, it's not the Breakers,
but it's spectacular. Nonetheless, these Gilded Age mansions. And then
just up the road ten minutes from them, or the
Mills family. She was a Livingston who are here from
our country's founding, And that's a really interesting story. The
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Mills family at Stattsburg State Historic Site. They had return
tickets on the Titanic. Their friends, the Astors, who live
also just up the road, perished on the ship. If
you've seen the movie Titanic, you know the Astor's site
down with the ship. But the Mills had tickets. They
were supposed to go to Europe on the Titanic, and
obviously that didn't happen. So they do really wonderful historic
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themed tours. They do a Titanic tour in April to
line up with that anniversary. They're decorated incredibly elaborately for
the holidays. They have a story like downt Nabbey where
one of their daughters married and English baron and you know,
so telling those upstairs downstairs stories. We have a lot
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of great sites that do that that Gilded Age splendor.
We're home to the Samuel Morris estate called Locust Grove,
so that inventor of the Morse Code also lived here
in the Hudson Valley in Duchess County along the Hudson River.
But you know that Gilded Age time of year is incredible.
Obviously learning about Fdr and Eleanor and the work that
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they did. She helped co author the Universal Declaration of
Human Rights. She was pivotabal in that movement and working
to gain human and civil rights for people. But then
you can go all the way back to the revolutionary
and colonial time period in our indigenous history here where
you've got Moulgoolian and that was the home and temporary
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headquarters or General von Steuben. He's the one who helped
train our militia to be a real fighting army. We
have the John Keenehouse that was a temporary headquarters from
for George Washington. So there's a lot of things going on.
We have the oldest continuously operating in an America. The
Beakman arms a lot of movers and shakers through the
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Hudson Valley throughout our history.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
That's remarkable. I love talking to folks in positions like
yours that are up in that particular part of the country,
you know, New England, New York, because there is so
much that goes back to the founding moments of this nation.
And you can find so many remarkable things that you know,
other parts of the country don't. They just don't have
because they weren't. They weren't here in that time, right,
like things weren't happening all across this country at the
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same time. And it's just fascinating to see what still exists,
what is still there that we can witness and that
we can look at from three hundred years ago.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
That's right, And with you know, so many such a
focus on telling our whole story, not just the story
of those you know folks with all the money, you
get to hear the stories of real people who lived here,
and we get to work closely with our county historian
will paint them. Who's fantastic, and our staff learns so
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much all the time about these little hidden gems and
other things that we just didn't know, and the lives
of people and the stories that they have to talent
and so you know, a visit to Duchess County gives
you that opportunity to find out some really cool stuff
about a whole lot of things.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, and you make it really easy for everyone to
be able to come to Duchess County and enjoy all
these things as well. You've made it very accessible for folks.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
We try, we do, and we wanted to be So
that's part of our mission. Our county executive who became
a Congressman, Mark Molnaro, started the Think Differently movement and
that's you know, going on ten years now. He has
a daughter who is on the autism spectrum and he
really wanted to advocate or those folks and to help
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our businesses and our people and our community think differently
about people who have disabilities. And we want people to
be welcoming, We want businesses to be welcoming. We want
to think about how do we work together to continue
to improve accessibility in our spaces so it's easy for
people to come and when when you know, when you're
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promoting tourism, obviously you want don't want that to be limited.
You want everyone to be able to come and experience
the things that we love about our communities. So we
work with the county. We've also worked with an organization
called Wheel the World, and they came and did some
assessments for us at more than fifty of our hotels,
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restaurants and attractions to measure how accessible they were. So,
you know, they got green lights for all the things
that was going great, they got some yellow lights for
here's some things that you could do to improve and
then you know, maybe there are some red things. You
want to say, hey, let's put some attention on fixing this,
or making a plan to fix this, putting some money
aside to budget to fix this. And so we worked
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with them to help our partners be more aware. We
provide training for them not only on how to physically
make the space better, but how to make our staff
we're welcoming and understanding and able to support and provide
excellent customer servers for people coming to their establishment. So
it's something that we continue to work on. You know,
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there's never never going to cross that goal line where
everything is one hundred percent for everyone because everyone is different.
But we're working down that path and in celebrating some
milestones as we go to keep enthusiasm up and continue
to increase that accessibility for all.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And if you want to get a little more adventurous.
We don't really touch much on the outdoor stop, but
I mean there's hiking, there is the Hudson River. I mean,
there's a bike. There's so many other options. If you
just want to get outside and get some exercise and
just check things out, you've got plenty of that too.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
That's right. We had part of the Appalachian Trail. Untrue,
Duchess County there's a train stop, so we talked about
being just ninety minutes of New York City. That's an
easy train ride. So if you want to, you could
take Amtrak all the way up from from Baltimore, and
in your area you could drive up, or you could
fly to New York City and then take the train up.
It's easy. It's a beautiful, beautiful ride along the Hudson River.
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If you take the Metro North line up on the
Hudson side, there's the Harlem line that goes up the
eastern side of the county, and so that one is
the one that has the stop at the Appalachian Trail,
a direct one on this side. On the Hudson side,
we have stopped at Breakneck Mountain, which is incredibly famous.
If you've seen the New York state flag, there's a
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mountain on it and that's Mount Beacon. That's a part
of Dutchess County, and that's an incredibly beautiful views. From
the fire tower there, you can see New York City
on a clear day, which is wild, so that's pretty neat.
Lots to meet fire towers to give you some incredible views.
And we're surrounded by mountains between those HUDs and the
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Highlands and the Berkshires and Taconics and the Catskills, we
are surrounded by mountains and it is just so beautiful.
The hiking trails are spectacular, just lots of great opportunities
to got out and not only enjoy the river on
kayaks and cruise boats and things like that, but to cycle.
We're part of the Empire State Trail, so if you've
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not heard of that, that is a trail that goes
from Lower Manhattan all the way to Canada and then
it goes east to west from Albany to Buffalo. So
you could theoretically ride a bike on all those trails
and through Duchess County. Most of that are converted rail trails,
so there's no traffic, which is really wonderful, especially if
you've got kids and you want to do you know,
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a pretty flat ride with without that traffic. It's nice
and safe, and so we're so blessed to have that
close by to us.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Melane, You've got a remarkable place there where you live.
Where can people go if they want to find out
more information or start planning their trip?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
That's right. You can go to duchesstourism dot com. That's
dut C eight eesstourism dot com and we would love
you to come visit with us. You can call our
office at anytime Monday through Friday. That number is eight
four five four sixty three four thousand, and my team
(24:16):
would be happy to help you come up with an
itinerary that is perfect for you and your visit. The
only thing that we didn't talk about is the art
you so everything from Diabcon, which is a major modern
art museum. It's a converted Nabisco box factory in Beacon
on the Hudson River, and so it's got really large
pieces of art in there. And then we have the
(24:37):
Bardivon eighteen sixty Opera House, which is one of the
oldest opera houses in the state and has a wonderful
Warlitzer organ, and they do all kinds of performances there
all the way working up to Bard College in the
northern part of the county where they are the Fisher Center,
designed by Frank Geary. The Fisher Center hosts the Bar
(24:57):
Music Festival every summer and summer, which is eight weeks
of music and performances there on the campus. It's incredible.
We have a lot of other historic venues for performances,
amazing things that happen, partnerships with New York Season Films
and Vasser College and Maris College, and so a lot
(25:19):
of those Broadway shows, including Hamilton, got their start here
in Pocupsie, So.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
It's pretty neat Malayne Rockcamp, President and CEO of Duchess Tourism, Inc.
Malane has been a pleasure in chatting with you. Thank
you so much for sharing this wonderful story and I
hope to get up your way sometime in.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
The near future.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Thanks. We would love to have you.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Big thank you to Malaine Rockcamp from Dutchess Tourism, Inc.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Again.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
If you want to learn more about Dutchess County, New
York and start planning your trip, please visit Dutchesstourism dot
com and that's Duchess Dutch e Ss Tourism dot com.
And thank you to all of you for listening to
this episode of Delightful Destinations. I really hope you enjoyed
our conversation. Until next t be Will
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