July 2, 2025 • 22 mins
About 10 years ago I decided that I wanted to run a half marathon in every state. I had run a race in Nashville and then done another in San Diego. During my run in Southern California I had this epiphany that running a half marathon was a great way to see a city and the areas around it. Over the next few years I visited a variety of states from Idaho, Pennsylvania and Wyoming. They all had a different beauty and charm. But one of them really stood out, and that was my weekend in Wilmington Delaware.
Yeah, I was surprised too. No shade on Wilmington, or Delaware, but it was always a city that I had driven through to go north or south up the 95 corridor. I’ve driven through Wilmington countless times and never had the thought to stop. But when I was running through the streets and trails I realized how incredible Wilmington is.
In this podcast we’ve discussed the history that a traveller can find all along the north east coast or mid-atlantic region. Wilmington and the Brandywine Valley are no different. There’s an incredible amount of history there as well as some over the top and ostentatious estates that date back to the 1800’s. And I say ostentatious with love. These estates are remarkable and stunning.
Today I’m speaking with Jennifer Boes. She’s the executive director for the Greater Wilmington Convention and Visitors Bureau. There are so many great options for ways to explore and discover the Wilmington area. I hope you enjoy our conversation.
Yeah, I was surprised too. No shade on Wilmington, or Delaware, but it was always a city that I had driven through to go north or south up the 95 corridor. I’ve driven through Wilmington countless times and never had the thought to stop. But when I was running through the streets and trails I realized how incredible Wilmington is.
In this podcast we’ve discussed the history that a traveller can find all along the north east coast or mid-atlantic region. Wilmington and the Brandywine Valley are no different. There’s an incredible amount of history there as well as some over the top and ostentatious estates that date back to the 1800’s. And I say ostentatious with love. These estates are remarkable and stunning.
Today I’m speaking with Jennifer Boes. She’s the executive director for the Greater Wilmington Convention and Visitors Bureau. There are so many great options for ways to explore and discover the Wilmington area. I hope you enjoy our conversation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, what's up everyone. Welcome to Delightful Destinations. My name
is Jeff Saint Pierre, and this is episode thirty six
of the show. If it's your first time spending some
time with us, welcome, I appreciate you. Delightful Destinations is
a show that I created so I could talk to
representatives from different locations around the country and learn more
about all these beautiful and unique places that are all
(00:21):
around us. I'm always looking for an excuse to get
away from home and try something different, so I hope
this show will help inspire you the next time you're
looking to escape the daily grind. About ten years ago,
I decided that I wanted to run a half marathon
in every state. I know it sounds silly, maybe a
little over zealous. I had run a race in Nashville
and done another one in San Diego, and during my
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run in southern California, I had this epiphany that running
a half marathon was a great way to see a
city and the areas around it. Now, over the next
few years, I visited a variety of states, from Idaho, Pennsylvania,
and Wyoming. They all had a different beauty and charm,
but there was one that really stood out, and that
was my weekend in Wilmington, Delaware. Yeah, I'm not kidding.
(01:01):
I was surprised to and no shade on Wilmington or
Delaware for that matter, but it was just always a
city that I had driven through to go north or
south up the ninety five corridor. I'd driven through Wilmington
countless times and never had the thought to stop. But
when I was running through the streets and the trails,
I realized how incredible and beautiful Wilmington really is. In
this podcast, we've discussed the history that a traveler can
(01:23):
find all along the Northeast coast or mid Atlantic region
of the US. Wilmington and the Brandywine Valley are no different.
There's an incredible amount of history there as well as
some over the top and ostentatious estates that date back
to the eighteen hundreds. And I say ostentatious with love.
These estates are really stunning and beautiful, but.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
They're kind of big.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
They're kind of big. Lots of stuff to check out
in the Wilmington area. And today I'm speaking with Jennifer Bose.
She's the executive director for the Greater Wilmington Convention and
Visitors Bureau. There are so many options for ways to
explore and discover the Wilmington area without breaking your bank,
and she's gonna tell you all about it. So I
hope you enjoy our conversation in Wilmington. Oh, of course,
it's my pleasure because Wilmington is one of those magical
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places to me that I have driven by or driven
through so many times going up the East Coast, but
I've only really ever stopped in once, and I'm like,
why why not? Why haven't I spent more time in Wilmington.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Where did you stop in? When you stopped?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
So I actually ran the Delaware Half Marathon back in
twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen, so I spent a couple
of days in Wilmington kind of you know, running the
streets and just kind of experiencing it through that aspect,
which I always think. I know people think it's crazy
when I say this, but I think travel running is
very fun because it does take you into a new
environment and gives you an excuse to go through an
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entire city basically and see some of the coolest parts
about it. So I do have very vivid memories of
experiencing some really beautiful spots of Wilmington. But it's been
a minute, so I'm sure there's some new stuff that
wasn't there when I did this.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Absolutely. Yeah. So actually we are a sponsor of that event,
and it is a great run because it takes you
by a lot of our historical attractions and it starts
at the riverfront, which is one of our main areas
that visitors like to go when they come to Wilmington.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I remember specifically because you're going through the woods. At
one point, you're kind of on a trail sort of
along the water, and then there's like a bridge you
have to cross, and you've got, you know, thousands of
people all drying to squeeze on this bridge, and I
just remember laughing with other people around us. We're like,
this is really we get it. You got to find
a route, but like this really wasn't very planned ver
well to get around this area.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So I don't know if the half marathon goes to
Historic Newcastle, but I know the marathon does, and that's
one of our hidden gems for sure. If you've ever
been to Historic Williamsburg in Virginia, it's similar to that,
except it's more residential and more authentic. Okay, that's one
of my favorite places in Greater Wilmington, Delaware, so you
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should definitely check that out. That's actually where William Penn
landed when he came to the US. Well it wasn't
the US then, but when he came to America.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, when when he found new Land exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So there's a lot of history there. There's a lot
of great restaurants. It's nice just to walk around the town,
and it's right on the Delaware River. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I just imagine there is something. Again, I experienced it
through my run, but I imagine there is so much
beauty in that area.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And I do think being.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Because Baltimore has a similar problem, Baltimore being sort of
sandwiched in between DC and Philadelphia. People are traveling from
the major cities and going back and forth and they
kind of skip out on it a little bit. I
imagine Wilmington Face is a very similar situation.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Right, And it's so easy to just step off, especially
if you're on Amtrak, because we're in between Baltimore, Washington
and Philadelphia, New York. And if you did that, you
don't even need a car because you can walk right
downtown and enjoy our restaurants and everything just like that
shopping yew and even.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
If you're driving on ninety five, if your truck, because
I lived in the Philadelphia area for about eight years
before moving down to Maryland, so I would do that
drive back and forth fairly off you drive almost right
through the heart of Wilmington, just.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
To get literally drive right through the heart of Wilmington.
You can see Wilmington right from the interstate.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So you've got all the connections. I mean, thing is
right there for people to swing by. So Jenn, let
me let's backtrack a little bit. Are you a Wilmington native.
Are you a Delaware native?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I'm a Delaware native. I've lived in Delaware most of
my life, but I originally came from the southern part
where the beaches are.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Ah, yes, the parts that a lot of people are
very familiar with.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, there there, and we want to get them to
come up further north to our area.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Absolutely. So how did you end up in Wilmington?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Then this job? You know, I was living part time
in Maine and I wanted to come home full time,
and this a job at the Greater Wilmington cbbcame available.
So I threw my hat in the ring, and luckily
I got the position.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Well, John, Listen, we've been talking a little bit about
a few of the highlights here in Wilmington, but I
know we've got some big things we want to make
sure people know about. So let's start with the Brandywine
Treasure Trail Passport.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
So the Brandywine Treasure Trails Passport is a passport that
gives you a discounted one price ticket to twelve of
our most popular attraction. Okay, So like, for example, the
family pass is ninety nine and it's good for three
kids and an adult. And if they visit every pass
in that passport, they paid ninety nine dollars, but they
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get almost a seven hundred dollars value.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah. So it's our way to kind of entice people
to check out what we've got going on here in
Greater Wilmington and the Brandywine Valley. And they haven't until
Memorial Day weekend until Halloween weekend to use it, so
there's plenty of time to visit all those attractions.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Absolutely Brandywine Valley before we move on.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So Wilmington, obviously a city in Delaware that people have
probably heard of before, they might be familiar. But tell
me more about the Brandywine Valley in general.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
So the Brandywine Valley is what we call chateau country
because if you go the back roads, it kind of
looks like the rolling hills of France. And there are
lots of biggest states there because, as you may know,
that's where the DuPonts landed and started building their empire
when they came from France to the United States, and
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they were very they're obviously very successful in business, but
they were also very big into his street culture gardening.
So a number of those states have been turned over
and have become open to the public, and those are
some of our key attractions right there.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I'm taking a look at some of the attractions here
for the passport, and you've got some amazing things on here.
Are there any that you want to highlight in this conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Well, obviously, along with a gardens lack gardens, it's not
it's not in Delaware, it's right over the line, but
that encompasses what we promote. That's probably the crown jewel
of the DuPont States. It's gotten tons of accolades. It's
one of the best, most renowned public gardens in the country.
But then not even twenty minutes fifteen minutes from that,
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we have four other DuPont estates.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Longwa Gardens I've actually been to before. I've gone a
couple of times. I experienced Christmas again. This is like
twenty years ago when I lived up there, but I
experienced like a Christmas display they put together. What a
beautiful experience that was. I have friends with the kids
that go up to the Longwood Gardens area. They traveled
from the Baltimore area up that way just to go
for you know, walk through the gardens and see everything.
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I mean, that's that's definitely a major attraction around here.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Oh yeah. And then in the fall they unveiled Longwood Reimagined,
which was a huge upgrade for a already wonderful property.
They have a new conservatory that's kind of Mediterranean style plants.
They have a lovely upgraded restaurant. There was always nineteen
oh six, but it's moved to a new spot where
you can dine and watch the fountains as you enjoy
your dinner.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I'm looking at your website now to look at the
passport at locations and some of these pictures. I mean,
I know it's just a glimpse of what it is,
but I'm looking at the winter the museum garden and library.
I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, but that
looks beautiful the flowers, and I say it.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, I say it like win a tour, win a tour.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Win a tour, Okay, win a term museum garden. I mean,
this looks incredible, these these buildings in these houses.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, so if you like American decorative arts, they have
one of the largest collections of American decorative arts in
the country. But they also have really wonderful gardens, and
they have a tram to take you around if you're not,
you know, one hundred percent mobile, so you can still
see to the gardens. And one of my favorite spots
there is actually for kids, which is the Enchanted Woods,
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and it just kind of reminds me of a fairy garden.
I love to visit that.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
When I'm there, it's so cool.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I'm gonna have to make sure we My daughter loves
a fairy garden, that is for sure, so I think
we're gonna have to make a visit and also, like,
I think people often think of the major cities in
this country and that's where you find a lot of
the really big.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And more well known museums.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
But looking at this passport, you've got some really awesome
museums in your area as well.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yes, we do. Another one I wanted to highlight was Memoirs.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yes, so I'm glad you said that because I was like,
I don't know if I'm gonna pronounce this right. I'm
gonna wait and see if she brings it up.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
You should check out our website and look at the
pictures of this place. It looks like for sizes, absolutely incredible.
And what's neat about it is it pretty much is
as it was when the DuPont family member that built
the house lived there. But it's absolutely wonderful. It's kind
of cool. They they have a man cave in the
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basement because they've got a bowling alley in the basement,
and I think there's a sauna down there. There's even
he the guy even bottled his own water, so there's
a bottling facility in the house.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I would expect nothing less from the DuPonts, right than that,
which you know, the DuPont name has such an interesting history.
I mean, obviously there's so much history, like in this passport,
there's also the tragedy. There's just so many, so much
with that name. But it's a legendary American name here
in this region of the country.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Right, it's almost synonymous with Delaware.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I went to Villanova, so the DuPont story, we know
so much of that going back, and it's it's just fascinating,
like how much that name comes up in so many
different things here in this mid Atlantic region of the country.
For sure. Let's go back into Wilmington. And again, as
I said before, I don't think Wilmington gets enough love,
and I'm guilty of that too, But Wilmington has history.
(10:51):
I mean Wilmington, just like Philadelphia and Baltimore and DC
and everything. This is where the country was founded, This
is where the country started. So Wilmington, you know, it
has its own history and historic area as well.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Right, So, aside from tourism, A lot of people refer
to Wilmington and Delaware as the corporate capital of the
world because a lot of major corporations, in fact, I
believe it's the majority, are incorporated in Delaware. With the
building where they're incorporated, being in downtown Wilmington. And another
thing on a tourism note is I would say over
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the last decade, Wilmington has come such a long way.
There's been such a lot of development and upgrades. So
I think I would encourage anyone that hasn't been to
Wilmington recently to come check it out.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I remember when I was doing the run in Again
twenty seventeen and Joint eighteen and you were running along
the water. I remember thinking like, Wow, there's a lot
of like construction, looks like a lot of new restaurants,
news stories opening. It's like there's a lot of life
coming here and building this.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Area up right.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I mean, there are at least twelve restaurants down at
the riverfront, and a lot of them offer water views,
so that's really wonderful. We have a number of different
and locals down there too that offer live music. Docklands
is one of them. There's tiki tours in the summertime,
tiki boat tours. That's a lot of fun. And then
the jam Trail that we referred to earlier. You ran
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on that, okay, and that goes you can run a
bike at the riverfront and then take the bike to
the historic Newcastle. It's about seven miles I think, pretty flat,
so pretty easy to do.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, and I know it's not in our notes necessarily
to talk about, but I feel like Wilmington in that
area has a lot of outdoor space and a lot
of areas outdoors we can take advantage of.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, we actually have a beer garden called beer Garden,
excuse me, called Constitution Yards. It's relocating from its original
spot right on the water, but it's going to have
a much larger footprint and I think it's called a skybar,
so where you can go up to the second floor
and look out and probably see the water. It's not
finished yet, it should be finished later this summer.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You had me at beer Garden, Jen, Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It's a great place to go watch the game if
you're a sports fan, because they've got really big TVs
and things like that.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So what do you own Wilmington, I mean, being where
it is. I'm sure it's mostly Philadelphia sports teams that
they get excited for, but I guess there could be
a crossover between some of the mid Atlantic teams.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
We have some fans of the Ravens here, so you
can go either way. I would say the majority are
Philadelphia sports teams fans.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I know one thing that we have in Baltimore, and
I wonder because I don't know enough about Wilmington, but
one thing we have in Baltimore. There's always been this
like chip on the shoulder of baltimoreans over the DC
teams because DC was the bigger city. They've got all
the major sports where Baltimore only has a couple of them.
And I wondered if Wilmington have a similar thing with Philadelphia,
liked they turned Did they turn their their shoulder on Philadelphia,
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because just like we want our own No.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
So, I mean we've got the Blue Coats, which are
the basketball team, and we've got the Blue Rocks, which
is our baseball team. Blue Rocks, Yeah, which is a
great place to go see a game if you've got
a family, because it's it's pretty affordable and a lot
of fun. But we don't have any of our own
professional sports teams like does. So we're fine with supporting Philly,
especially since the Eagles won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well yeah, I mean it's a lot easier to support
you they're doing well, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, that's right, that's true.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
We touched a little bit on the DuPont family legacy,
and we've talked a little bit about the gardens, But
are there any other garden gems that you want to
that you want to get out there that we didn't
touch on yet.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
One of the other hidden gems is Mount Cuba.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Oh, Mel Cuba.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Okay, it's the one that perhaps is the least known
because it didn't open till the public, I believe, until
the late nineties. But it's very zen like, so it's
it's got a huge collection of native plants, and the
gardens are all naturalistic. There's forests, ponds. It's a great
place to go and just kind of chill out. And
the other thing cool about Mount Cuba is they have
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a new ada accessible trail. It's actually made out of
recycled tires, so that opens it up to a much
larger part of the population that can go enjoy the gardens.
They also have cool events. I think they've got yoga.
They're doing something where you learn how to infue vodka
with native plants. So that's fun stuff too that they're.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Doing yoga and making your own alcoholic beverages. I mean
why not.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
This is the combo we need, and I do like
we have a few places in this region too where
I live that that bring yoga in or bring like
like they'll do spin classes on the Inner Harbor in Baltimore,
so you're like sitting that they bring all the bikes in.
You're sitting there doing your class, but you're also staring
at the water and the boats going by. And I
love when I love when places and locations really think
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outside the box and try to give you a different
experience in that place.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Right now, one thing that I've always wanted to try
that isn't just limited to us, but a place called
Ramsey's Farm does have it is goat yoga. I love
little goats. I'm not sure. I can't picture it in
my head how it works, but it sounds fun. So
I've wanted to go out to Ramsey's Farm and check
that out.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I've always thought about doing something like that too, but
I have a hard enough time balancing on my own
than let alone adding a small goat into the mixed too.
I don't know if I'd be very successful. I think
I'd just be with the goats.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
The whole day.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I get you there, a lot of things that when
I talk to people in positions like yours, A lot
of areas now are creating these trails, whether it's a
beer trail, a wine trail. I just was talking to
somebody from Richmond. They have a Mimosa Trail. I know,
you've got the Delaware History Trail in the Wilmington area
as well. Do you want to talk a little bit
about that.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
So that's a great way to kind of get a
grasp on our rich history beyond the DuPonts. I mean,
we've got some great underground railroad history. A good place
to check that out and start actually your whole tour
is the Delaware History Museum, which is right on Market Street.
We also have the Kalmar Nickel. I'm not one hundred
percent sure that's on that trail, but if it's not,
it should be. That's a replica of the ship that
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brought people from Sweden to the United States many many
years ago. And they actually offer public sales, which is
pretty cool. I just actually went out on one in
the beginning of May with our visitor center staff and
we had a great time doing that. There's also Fort Delaware,
which is another kind of hidden Gem. So that was
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a fort during the Civil War and it held a
lot of prisoners during that time. You have to take
a ferry to get over to it, which is pretty cool.
And it is haunted. Oh yes, So they do paranormal
tours and they're at night, which is really creepy. But
if you're not into ghosts, so you can go over
during the day and they have reenactors there and you
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can kind of immerse yourself and feel like you're back
in that time period.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I say this probably every single week that I'm interviewing someone,
especially when it's someone that represents an area in this
particular region of the country. I know in history class
there's only so much you can cover over time, but
like there's so many things like for Delaware, I had
never heard of before, and I think it's fascinating that
all of these things are around us. But it isn't
necessarily top of mind. It isn't necessarily something you heard about,
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And I think that's great when you get a chance
to highlight that and spread the word and I'm learning
something new every time I talk to someone like you.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
The other place that's pretty cool that is further south.
It's still in Newcastle County is his Storydessa. Okay, so
it's similar to historic Newcastle. And they've got a really
cool restaurant there called Cantwell's Tavern, and you kind of
feel like you're back in colonial times when you're eating there.
And they do some really nice Christmas programming too, So
that's a nice place to visit as well.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That sounds underful stores.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
You know something gets cool about a place like Wilmington too,
is I think people can come and they can certainly
go to Wilmington, spend a few days there, really enjoy
their time and soak it all in. But Wilmington can
also be a great home base if you're trying to
you know, you're traveling, maybe say over here to the
East Coast from somewhere else, you can make your home
base in Wilmington. Do a day in Philadelphia, do a
day in DC or Baltimore. It's very accessible. You can
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fly into Philly. It's only thirty minutes south basically from
the airport there. It's about an hour north of Baltimore.
I mean, it's really in a perfect location to experience
so much of the East.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Coast, and we've got some really nice places to stay.
Generally they're less expensive than staying in a larger city.
We've got three hotels right down at the riverfront, so
if you did come in on amtre back whar if
you drove, I mean, you wouldn't really need your car
once you got here. And then of course there's the
Venerable Hotel DuPont, which is right off Rodney Square downtown
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that opened in nineteen thirteen. And the rumor is or
it's widely believed that Prince Rainier I think I said
his name correctly negotiated his marriage to Grace Kelly with
her parents at the Hotel DuPont.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Oh, that's some cool history right there.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah. Yeah, that's the cool history. And one of my
favorite places to grab a drink or eat is in there,
and that's lacav That was the green room for those
who are familiar with the Hotel DuPont for some years back.
It's got really great food and really wonderful design. When
they pulled up the thick old carpet that was part
of the green room, they found a hand laid Italian
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tile flour that they didn't even know was there, and
it's now exposed.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's so amazing when people are like remodeling homes and
businesses and they rip up like the like crap linoleum
or carpet, like why would you cover up this beautiful
wor und right?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
You wonder, right, But they're actually also upgrading and redoing
their rooms right now as well, the Hotel DuPont.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So, Jenn, I know we started this conversation today talking
about the passport that you have. You've got the Brandywine
Treasure Trail passport, but I know passports and tours and
maps are becoming a big thing for a lot of areas.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
You have any other passports you're working on.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Actually, it's funny you asked that because we just introduced
a new one last week and it's called the Family Passport,
and this one is free. You can download it right
from our website, which is visit Wilmingtonde dot com. And
what it is is families use the passport to go
to approximately thirty different attractions. They check in at the
attraction when they're they're there. They have a year to
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use it and each time they visit an attraction in
the passport, they accumulate points. When they get to certain
levels of points, they're eligible poor prizes. It might be
a T shirt Greater Wilmington t shirt, and they can
also get a family passport the Brandywine Treasure Trail Passport
for free.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
So it's a great thing to check out.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
So, since we've been talking about all this, we haven't
actually touched on the website yet. So, jenn where do
people go if they want to find out more details,
they want to get their passports, they want to plan
their trip. What's the best place to go.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Visit wilmingtonde dot com is the place to go. It's
got everything you could ever want to know about Greater
Wilmington in the Brandywine Valley. It has an itinerary building tool,
and it's got a great calendar, a calendar of events
where you can check in on everything that's going on
during your visit.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Jennifer bow is the executive director for the Greater Wilmington
Convention and Visitors Bureau. This has been great. I loved
learning more about Wilmington again. It's a city that I've
driven by many times. Thankfully, I have spent a couple
of days there, but I got to get back. It's
been almost a decade since my last visit. So I
got to get back up there and check out some
of these places.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yes, definitely, we'd love to have you.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Thank you to Jennifer Bos for her time to find
out more information and to plan your visit to Wilmington.
Please be sure to check out visit wilmingtonde dot com.
And thank you to all of you for listening to
this episode of Delightful Destinations. Until next time, be well,
Hey, what's up everyone. Welcome to Delightful Destinations. My name
is Jeff Saint Pierre, and this is episode thirty six
of the show. If it's your first time spending some
time with us, welcome, I appreciate you. Delightful Destinations is
a show that I created so I could talk to
representatives from different locations around the country and learn more
about all these beautiful and unique places that are all
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around us. I'm always looking for an excuse to get
away from home and try something different, so I hope
this show will help inspire you the next time you're
looking to escape the daily grind. About ten years ago,
I decided that I wanted to run a half marathon
in every state. I know it sounds silly, maybe a
little over zealous. I had run a race in Nashville
and done another one in San Diego, and during my
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run in southern California, I had this epiphany that running
a half marathon was a great way to see a
city and the areas around it. Now, over the next
few years, I visited a variety of states, from Idaho, Pennsylvania,
and Wyoming. They all had a different beauty and charm,
but there was one that really stood out, and that
was my weekend in Wilmington, Delaware. Yeah, I'm not kidding.
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I was surprised to and no shade on Wilmington or
Delaware for that matter, but it was just always a
city that I had driven through to go north or
south up the ninety five corridor. I'd driven through Wilmington
countless times and never had the thought to stop. But
when I was running through the streets and the trails,
I realized how incredible and beautiful Wilmington really is. In
this podcast, we've discussed the history that a traveler can
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find all along the Northeast coast or mid Atlantic region
of the US. Wilmington and the Brandywine Valley are no different.
There's an incredible amount of history there as well as
some over the top and ostentatious estates that date back
to the eighteen hundreds. And I say ostentatious with love.
These estates are really stunning and beautiful, but.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
They're kind of big.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
They're kind of big. Lots of stuff to check out
in the Wilmington area. And today I'm speaking with Jennifer Bose.
She's the executive director for the Greater Wilmington Convention and
Visitors Bureau. There are so many options for ways to
explore and discover the Wilmington area without breaking your bank,
and she's gonna tell you all about it. So I
hope you enjoy our conversation in Wilmington. Oh, of course,
it's my pleasure because Wilmington is one of those magical
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places to me that I have driven by or driven
through so many times going up the East Coast, but
I've only really ever stopped in once, and I'm like,
why why not? Why haven't I spent more time in Wilmington.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Where did you stop in? When you stopped?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
So I actually ran the Delaware Half Marathon back in
twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen, so I spent a couple
of days in Wilmington kind of you know, running the
streets and just kind of experiencing it through that aspect,
which I always think. I know people think it's crazy
when I say this, but I think travel running is
very fun because it does take you into a new
environment and gives you an excuse to go through an
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entire city basically and see some of the coolest parts
about it. So I do have very vivid memories of
experiencing some really beautiful spots of Wilmington. But it's been
a minute, so I'm sure there's some new stuff that
wasn't there when I did this.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Absolutely. Yeah. So actually we are a sponsor of that event,
and it is a great run because it takes you
by a lot of our historical attractions and it starts
at the riverfront, which is one of our main areas
that visitors like to go when they come to Wilmington.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I remember specifically because you're going through the woods. At
one point, you're kind of on a trail sort of
along the water, and then there's like a bridge you
have to cross, and you've got, you know, thousands of
people all drying to squeeze on this bridge, and I
just remember laughing with other people around us. We're like,
this is really we get it. You got to find
a route, but like this really wasn't very planned ver
well to get around this area.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So I don't know if the half marathon goes to
Historic Newcastle, but I know the marathon does, and that's
one of our hidden gems for sure. If you've ever
been to Historic Williamsburg in Virginia, it's similar to that,
except it's more residential and more authentic. Okay, that's one
of my favorite places in Greater Wilmington, Delaware, so you
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should definitely check that out. That's actually where William Penn
landed when he came to the US. Well it wasn't
the US then, but when he came to America.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, when when he found new Land exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So there's a lot of history there. There's a lot
of great restaurants. It's nice just to walk around the town,
and it's right on the Delaware River. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I just imagine there is something. Again, I experienced it
through my run, but I imagine there is so much
beauty in that area.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And I do think being.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Because Baltimore has a similar problem, Baltimore being sort of
sandwiched in between DC and Philadelphia. People are traveling from
the major cities and going back and forth and they
kind of skip out on it a little bit. I
imagine Wilmington Face is a very similar situation.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Right, And it's so easy to just step off, especially
if you're on Amtrak, because we're in between Baltimore, Washington
and Philadelphia, New York. And if you did that, you
don't even need a car because you can walk right
downtown and enjoy our restaurants and everything just like that
shopping yew and even.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
If you're driving on ninety five, if your truck, because
I lived in the Philadelphia area for about eight years
before moving down to Maryland, so I would do that
drive back and forth fairly off you drive almost right
through the heart of Wilmington, just.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
To get literally drive right through the heart of Wilmington.
You can see Wilmington right from the interstate.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So you've got all the connections. I mean, thing is
right there for people to swing by. So Jenn, let
me let's backtrack a little bit. Are you a Wilmington native.
Are you a Delaware native?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I'm a Delaware native. I've lived in Delaware most of
my life, but I originally came from the southern part
where the beaches are.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Ah, yes, the parts that a lot of people are
very familiar with.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, there there, and we want to get them to
come up further north to our area.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Absolutely. So how did you end up in Wilmington?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Then this job? You know, I was living part time
in Maine and I wanted to come home full time,
and this a job at the Greater Wilmington cbbcame available.
So I threw my hat in the ring, and luckily
I got the position.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Well, John, Listen, we've been talking a little bit about
a few of the highlights here in Wilmington, but I
know we've got some big things we want to make
sure people know about. So let's start with the Brandywine
Treasure Trail Passport.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
So the Brandywine Treasure Trails Passport is a passport that
gives you a discounted one price ticket to twelve of
our most popular attraction. Okay, So like, for example, the
family pass is ninety nine and it's good for three
kids and an adult. And if they visit every pass
in that passport, they paid ninety nine dollars, but they
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get almost a seven hundred dollars value.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah. So it's our way to kind of entice people
to check out what we've got going on here in
Greater Wilmington and the Brandywine Valley. And they haven't until
Memorial Day weekend until Halloween weekend to use it, so
there's plenty of time to visit all those attractions.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Absolutely Brandywine Valley before we move on.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So Wilmington, obviously a city in Delaware that people have
probably heard of before, they might be familiar. But tell
me more about the Brandywine Valley in general.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
So the Brandywine Valley is what we call chateau country
because if you go the back roads, it kind of
looks like the rolling hills of France. And there are
lots of biggest states there because, as you may know,
that's where the DuPonts landed and started building their empire
when they came from France to the United States, and
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they were very they're obviously very successful in business, but
they were also very big into his street culture gardening.
So a number of those states have been turned over
and have become open to the public, and those are
some of our key attractions right there.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I'm taking a look at some of the attractions here
for the passport, and you've got some amazing things on here.
Are there any that you want to highlight in this conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Well, obviously, along with a gardens lack gardens, it's not
it's not in Delaware, it's right over the line, but
that encompasses what we promote. That's probably the crown jewel
of the DuPont States. It's gotten tons of accolades. It's
one of the best, most renowned public gardens in the country.
But then not even twenty minutes fifteen minutes from that,
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we have four other DuPont estates.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Longwa Gardens I've actually been to before. I've gone a
couple of times. I experienced Christmas again. This is like
twenty years ago when I lived up there, but I
experienced like a Christmas display they put together. What a
beautiful experience that was. I have friends with the kids
that go up to the Longwood Gardens area. They traveled
from the Baltimore area up that way just to go
for you know, walk through the gardens and see everything.
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I mean, that's that's definitely a major attraction around here.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Oh yeah. And then in the fall they unveiled Longwood Reimagined,
which was a huge upgrade for a already wonderful property.
They have a new conservatory that's kind of Mediterranean style plants.
They have a lovely upgraded restaurant. There was always nineteen
oh six, but it's moved to a new spot where
you can dine and watch the fountains as you enjoy
your dinner.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I'm looking at your website now to look at the
passport at locations and some of these pictures. I mean,
I know it's just a glimpse of what it is,
but I'm looking at the winter the museum garden and library.
I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, but that
looks beautiful the flowers, and I say it.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, I say it like win a tour, win a tour.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Win a tour, Okay, win a term museum garden. I mean,
this looks incredible, these these buildings in these houses.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, so if you like American decorative arts, they have
one of the largest collections of American decorative arts in
the country. But they also have really wonderful gardens, and
they have a tram to take you around if you're not,
you know, one hundred percent mobile, so you can still
see to the gardens. And one of my favorite spots
there is actually for kids, which is the Enchanted Woods,
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and it just kind of reminds me of a fairy garden.
I love to visit that.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
When I'm there, it's so cool.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I'm gonna have to make sure we My daughter loves
a fairy garden, that is for sure, so I think
we're gonna have to make a visit and also, like,
I think people often think of the major cities in
this country and that's where you find a lot of
the really big.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And more well known museums.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
But looking at this passport, you've got some really awesome
museums in your area as well.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yes, we do. Another one I wanted to highlight was Memoirs.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yes, so I'm glad you said that because I was like,
I don't know if I'm gonna pronounce this right. I'm
gonna wait and see if she brings it up.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
You should check out our website and look at the
pictures of this place. It looks like for sizes, absolutely incredible.
And what's neat about it is it pretty much is
as it was when the DuPont family member that built
the house lived there. But it's absolutely wonderful. It's kind
of cool. They they have a man cave in the
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basement because they've got a bowling alley in the basement,
and I think there's a sauna down there. There's even
he the guy even bottled his own water, so there's
a bottling facility in the house.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I would expect nothing less from the DuPonts, right than that,
which you know, the DuPont name has such an interesting history.
I mean, obviously there's so much history, like in this passport,
there's also the tragedy. There's just so many, so much
with that name. But it's a legendary American name here
in this region of the country.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Right, it's almost synonymous with Delaware.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I went to Villanova, so the DuPont story, we know
so much of that going back, and it's it's just fascinating,
like how much that name comes up in so many
different things here in this mid Atlantic region of the country.
For sure. Let's go back into Wilmington. And again, as
I said before, I don't think Wilmington gets enough love,
and I'm guilty of that too, But Wilmington has history.
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I mean Wilmington, just like Philadelphia and Baltimore and DC
and everything. This is where the country was founded, This
is where the country started. So Wilmington, you know, it
has its own history and historic area as well.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Right, So, aside from tourism, A lot of people refer
to Wilmington and Delaware as the corporate capital of the
world because a lot of major corporations, in fact, I
believe it's the majority, are incorporated in Delaware. With the
building where they're incorporated, being in downtown Wilmington. And another
thing on a tourism note is I would say over
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the last decade, Wilmington has come such a long way.
There's been such a lot of development and upgrades. So
I think I would encourage anyone that hasn't been to
Wilmington recently to come check it out.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I remember when I was doing the run in Again
twenty seventeen and Joint eighteen and you were running along
the water. I remember thinking like, Wow, there's a lot
of like construction, looks like a lot of new restaurants,
news stories opening. It's like there's a lot of life
coming here and building this.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Area up right.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I mean, there are at least twelve restaurants down at
the riverfront, and a lot of them offer water views,
so that's really wonderful. We have a number of different
and locals down there too that offer live music. Docklands
is one of them. There's tiki tours in the summertime,
tiki boat tours. That's a lot of fun. And then
the jam Trail that we referred to earlier. You ran
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on that, okay, and that goes you can run a
bike at the riverfront and then take the bike to
the historic Newcastle. It's about seven miles I think, pretty flat,
so pretty easy to do.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, and I know it's not in our notes necessarily
to talk about, but I feel like Wilmington in that
area has a lot of outdoor space and a lot
of areas outdoors we can take advantage of.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, we actually have a beer garden called beer Garden,
excuse me, called Constitution Yards. It's relocating from its original
spot right on the water, but it's going to have
a much larger footprint and I think it's called a skybar,
so where you can go up to the second floor
and look out and probably see the water. It's not
finished yet, it should be finished later this summer.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You had me at beer Garden, Jen, Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It's a great place to go watch the game if
you're a sports fan, because they've got really big TVs
and things like that.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So what do you own Wilmington, I mean, being where
it is. I'm sure it's mostly Philadelphia sports teams that
they get excited for, but I guess there could be
a crossover between some of the mid Atlantic teams.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
We have some fans of the Ravens here, so you
can go either way. I would say the majority are
Philadelphia sports teams fans.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I know one thing that we have in Baltimore, and
I wonder because I don't know enough about Wilmington, but
one thing we have in Baltimore. There's always been this
like chip on the shoulder of baltimoreans over the DC
teams because DC was the bigger city. They've got all
the major sports where Baltimore only has a couple of them.
And I wondered if Wilmington have a similar thing with Philadelphia,
liked they turned Did they turn their their shoulder on Philadelphia,
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because just like we want our own No.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
So, I mean we've got the Blue Coats, which are
the basketball team, and we've got the Blue Rocks, which
is our baseball team. Blue Rocks, Yeah, which is a
great place to go see a game if you've got
a family, because it's it's pretty affordable and a lot
of fun. But we don't have any of our own
professional sports teams like does. So we're fine with supporting Philly,
especially since the Eagles won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well yeah, I mean it's a lot easier to support
you they're doing well, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, that's right, that's true.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
We touched a little bit on the DuPont family legacy,
and we've talked a little bit about the gardens, But
are there any other garden gems that you want to
that you want to get out there that we didn't
touch on yet.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
One of the other hidden gems is Mount Cuba.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Oh, Mel Cuba.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Okay, it's the one that perhaps is the least known
because it didn't open till the public, I believe, until
the late nineties. But it's very zen like, so it's
it's got a huge collection of native plants, and the
gardens are all naturalistic. There's forests, ponds. It's a great
place to go and just kind of chill out. And
the other thing cool about Mount Cuba is they have
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a new ada accessible trail. It's actually made out of
recycled tires, so that opens it up to a much
larger part of the population that can go enjoy the gardens.
They also have cool events. I think they've got yoga.
They're doing something where you learn how to infue vodka
with native plants. So that's fun stuff too that they're.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Doing yoga and making your own alcoholic beverages. I mean
why not.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
This is the combo we need, and I do like
we have a few places in this region too where
I live that that bring yoga in or bring like
like they'll do spin classes on the Inner Harbor in Baltimore,
so you're like sitting that they bring all the bikes in.
You're sitting there doing your class, but you're also staring
at the water and the boats going by. And I
love when I love when places and locations really think
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outside the box and try to give you a different
experience in that place.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Right now, one thing that I've always wanted to try
that isn't just limited to us, but a place called
Ramsey's Farm does have it is goat yoga. I love
little goats. I'm not sure. I can't picture it in
my head how it works, but it sounds fun. So
I've wanted to go out to Ramsey's Farm and check
that out.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I've always thought about doing something like that too, but
I have a hard enough time balancing on my own
than let alone adding a small goat into the mixed too.
I don't know if I'd be very successful. I think
I'd just be with the goats.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
The whole day.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I get you there, a lot of things that when
I talk to people in positions like yours, A lot
of areas now are creating these trails, whether it's a
beer trail, a wine trail. I just was talking to
somebody from Richmond. They have a Mimosa Trail. I know,
you've got the Delaware History Trail in the Wilmington area
as well. Do you want to talk a little bit
about that.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
So that's a great way to kind of get a
grasp on our rich history beyond the DuPonts. I mean,
we've got some great underground railroad history. A good place
to check that out and start actually your whole tour
is the Delaware History Museum, which is right on Market Street.
We also have the Kalmar Nickel. I'm not one hundred
percent sure that's on that trail, but if it's not,
it should be. That's a replica of the ship that
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brought people from Sweden to the United States many many
years ago. And they actually offer public sales, which is
pretty cool. I just actually went out on one in
the beginning of May with our visitor center staff and
we had a great time doing that. There's also Fort Delaware,
which is another kind of hidden Gem. So that was
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a fort during the Civil War and it held a
lot of prisoners during that time. You have to take
a ferry to get over to it, which is pretty cool.
And it is haunted. Oh yes, So they do paranormal
tours and they're at night, which is really creepy. But
if you're not into ghosts, so you can go over
during the day and they have reenactors there and you
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can kind of immerse yourself and feel like you're back
in that time period.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I say this probably every single week that I'm interviewing someone,
especially when it's someone that represents an area in this
particular region of the country. I know in history class
there's only so much you can cover over time, but
like there's so many things like for Delaware, I had
never heard of before, and I think it's fascinating that
all of these things are around us. But it isn't
necessarily top of mind. It isn't necessarily something you heard about,
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And I think that's great when you get a chance
to highlight that and spread the word and I'm learning
something new every time I talk to someone like you.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
The other place that's pretty cool that is further south.
It's still in Newcastle County is his Storydessa. Okay, so
it's similar to historic Newcastle. And they've got a really
cool restaurant there called Cantwell's Tavern, and you kind of
feel like you're back in colonial times when you're eating there.
And they do some really nice Christmas programming too, So
that's a nice place to visit as well.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That sounds underful stores.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
You know something gets cool about a place like Wilmington too,
is I think people can come and they can certainly
go to Wilmington, spend a few days there, really enjoy
their time and soak it all in. But Wilmington can
also be a great home base if you're trying to
you know, you're traveling, maybe say over here to the
East Coast from somewhere else, you can make your home
base in Wilmington. Do a day in Philadelphia, do a
day in DC or Baltimore. It's very accessible. You can
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fly into Philly. It's only thirty minutes south basically from
the airport there. It's about an hour north of Baltimore.
I mean, it's really in a perfect location to experience
so much of the East.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Coast, and we've got some really nice places to stay.
Generally they're less expensive than staying in a larger city.
We've got three hotels right down at the riverfront, so
if you did come in on amtre back whar if
you drove, I mean, you wouldn't really need your car
once you got here. And then of course there's the
Venerable Hotel DuPont, which is right off Rodney Square downtown
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that opened in nineteen thirteen. And the rumor is or
it's widely believed that Prince Rainier I think I said
his name correctly negotiated his marriage to Grace Kelly with
her parents at the Hotel DuPont.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Oh, that's some cool history right there.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah. Yeah, that's the cool history. And one of my
favorite places to grab a drink or eat is in there,
and that's lacav That was the green room for those
who are familiar with the Hotel DuPont for some years back.
It's got really great food and really wonderful design. When
they pulled up the thick old carpet that was part
of the green room, they found a hand laid Italian
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tile flour that they didn't even know was there, and
it's now exposed.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's so amazing when people are like remodeling homes and
businesses and they rip up like the like crap linoleum
or carpet, like why would you cover up this beautiful
wor und right?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
You wonder, right, But they're actually also upgrading and redoing
their rooms right now as well, the Hotel DuPont.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So, Jenn, I know we started this conversation today talking
about the passport that you have. You've got the Brandywine
Treasure Trail passport, but I know passports and tours and
maps are becoming a big thing for a lot of areas.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
You have any other passports you're working on.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Actually, it's funny you asked that because we just introduced
a new one last week and it's called the Family Passport,
and this one is free. You can download it right
from our website, which is visit Wilmingtonde dot com. And
what it is is families use the passport to go
to approximately thirty different attractions. They check in at the
attraction when they're they're there. They have a year to
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use it and each time they visit an attraction in
the passport, they accumulate points. When they get to certain
levels of points, they're eligible poor prizes. It might be
a T shirt Greater Wilmington t shirt, and they can
also get a family passport the Brandywine Treasure Trail Passport
for free.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
So it's a great thing to check out.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
So, since we've been talking about all this, we haven't
actually touched on the website yet. So, jenn where do
people go if they want to find out more details,
they want to get their passports, they want to plan
their trip. What's the best place to go.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Visit wilmingtonde dot com is the place to go. It's
got everything you could ever want to know about Greater
Wilmington in the Brandywine Valley. It has an itinerary building tool,
and it's got a great calendar, a calendar of events
where you can check in on everything that's going on
during your visit.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Jennifer bow is the executive director for the Greater Wilmington
Convention and Visitors Bureau. This has been great. I loved
learning more about Wilmington again. It's a city that I've
driven by many times. Thankfully, I have spent a couple
of days there, but I got to get back. It's
been almost a decade since my last visit. So I
got to get back up there and check out some
of these places.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yes, definitely, we'd love to have you.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Thank you to Jennifer Bos for her time to find
out more information and to plan your visit to Wilmington.
Please be sure to check out visit wilmingtonde dot com.
And thank you to all of you for listening to
this episode of Delightful Destinations. Until next time, be well,
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