Metallica - Part 2

Jordan and TC disucss the documentary Some Kind Of Monster.

Episode Transcript

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Bolcome back in ninety seven one TheFreak to the Dirt Back Culture Hour.
Can I just tell you it's ninetyseven one The Freak k EGL Dallas,
Fort Worth. Welcome Back, ninetyseven one The Freak k e g L
Dallas, Fort Worth. This isthe Dirtrect Culture Hour. I'm George.
That's TC. We were discussing thecontroversial book The Body Keeps the Score during

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the break. M that's all.We were just discussing it a little bit.
Did you have a I was teamsong you'd like to propose for past
Just wondering if there could be acompendium podcast that outlines the book chapter by
chapter, but in which it wouldhave a theme song that went, let
the Body keep the score, Letthe Body keep the Score. It's good.

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I'm gonna work on. It's agood idea. You're you could probably
nail that score. Yeah, Ionly got a couple of weeks. Probably
one week. We could get DrowningPull to do it. They're here in
Dallas. I love recording myself singingwhen my voice is like this, Yeah,
I think I missed the peak timeyou get in the booth that I

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have that I really enjoy where I'mthe last track on No Ceilings, the
Beyonce one. Yeah, absolutely that. I love the record. I can't
remember the track at the time.It's the It's Beyonce. It's the he
Could Be a Sweet Tree any MoreBeautiful Nightmare. There's just something about trying

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to hit those that really stretches themark that groups the voice. Yeah.
I have a clip of myself ata previous I do this about once a
year, lose my voice. Ye, this keeps happening to me. It
was because of Metallica. Yeah,because for Suretaica. It wasn't that.
It was getting goofy Friday night andstaying up till five am, and that

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my kid had my kid had hada cough. Yeah, my immune system
is so much better than my wivesand she didn't get sick. And this
is differentia in medically, they'll takea mile, That's what I'm saying.
But like usually, like it's verycommon for my wife to get sick from
something my kid as and for menot to get sick because I'm an adult.

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Yeah right, but whatever you say, you're an American, you gotta
work. Hey, get immune system. What if I stayed up till five
watching Metallica. Uh, you know, it's like, nah, I don't
think I can handle that. Ican't hang with that. If there's some
germs floating around the house, I'mgonna absorb those pretty good, man.

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I've been paying for it. Twoweeks later. Yeah, sorry, we're
praying for you, dude. Ikeep doing this thing at concerts where I
go to a concert super stoked aboutthe concert I'm about to see. It
gets my mind spinning. I startthinking about other concerts that I want to
see and how cool it would beif this artist or that artist was coming.

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And then I look at a videoscreen above the bar at the venue
and it's like, they'll be herenext week. And you were just talking
about Beyonce. I had no ideathat she was on a world tour right
now. I've been talking she'll bein Dallas in like a week. No
way, a tenC Stadium in likea week or two. I'm not lying,

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dude. And I, my wifeand I we immediately she's got like
a stub Hub credit. We're like, surely we can get something. No
way, no way, man,It's just impenetrable, dude. What are
we gonna do? What are wegonna do to me, I have an
answer, get richer, make moremoney. No, no, I would
They should do just way more showsin the same city. Yeah, yeah,

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I agree with that. You haveyou heard about people taking European vacations
to concerts because it's cheaper to seeBeyonce or Taylor Swift or in Barcelona.
I mean, why wouldn't you.I know you can. You can finance
an entire trip to Europe to seea concert because they have government regulations in

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uh in uh In place that keepticket prices low. I don't. I'm
like, I guess, I don'tsee. I'm not seeing. I have
to agree with it or not agreewith it, but it can work to
your favor if you're trying to playin a trying to play in a cool
vacation. They cap their ticket pricesin certain countries. I mean, like
then the demand gets expressed elsewhere.I'm sure it does. Don't listen to

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them. I don't. I'm notsaying. I'm saying it does exist.
And somehow they cap their ticket pricesand people are able to see Beyonce for
Euros. You can't resell a ticket. I don't know. I haven't done
a lot of I haven't done alot of research into this, but I
do know for a fact that theycap their ticket sell I mean, I'm
just saying World Jam tickets were cappedway back in twenty Yeah. But then,

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like the thing that's going on isthat there's a ticket price, and
then if the price is less thanwhat someone is willing to pay, then
that demand or that you know,they just the value there then just gets
eaten up by the secondary market,which like it's hard for me. Maybe
you know, they've got rules againstthe secondary market there. I don't know.

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I'm I'm you know, I'm learningfor the first time about this thing,
so I'm not going to pretend tobe an expert on it. But
like, uh, I don't know, you know, it's not like good
for music if most of the valueof shows goes the speculators on tickets.
Uh. And this is what I'msaying, Like, this is why they
need to play five shows in thecity. Like there's there's a certain number

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of people in Dallas who would liketo see Beyonce. You can make it
so that like it's more of likea lottery, you know, or like
you know, any one who likewaits in line and like gets lucky.
But like, dude, we've triedto do the Like I remember, you
know, whenever I was trying tosee Garth Brooks in Notre Dame Stadium,
like waiting in for those tickets.You know, I used to go to

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Dillard's at like nine in the morningon a Saturday to get concert tickets and
then like whenever you get whenever it'syour time. It's not like they're like
which part of the first row wouldyou like? Like the number of people
waiting for like the second this dropsis greater than the number of people that
can see the show, right,So like it's not like there's some like
if it was just whoever waited inline the longest gets to see the show

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at this price, that sounds nice, But that's not what happens now.
That's not even where near now.It's just pure random whatever. So I
don't know, I don't like theworld that only advantages the rich, which
is why I'm advocating for a differentsystem, one where they play more shows
in the same city at the end. Like, you know, I would

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love that too. I mean,it just seems smart from like a touring
logistics standpoint, like you see allthis stuff about like you know, the
Taylor Swift's got two fleets of bussesand you know they're setting up they're already
like almost done in Denver Salt Lake, and like it just seems very logistically
difficult, and like it's awesome theydo that. I think that, you

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know, the amount the human racehas advanced on these things is very impressive
to me, and I love hearingabout it. But like what if he
just left it up for a weekand she played every other day for that
week and and then like there's becausethere's not an unlimited number of people that
want to see Taylor Swift in Dallas. There's not you know, like there's

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a lot of people. There's morepeople than there are tickets for right now.
But like you could play a numberof shows where you could buy a
ticket and an affordable, like noninsane price, and like just everyone would
be able to do it. Likeit's just that the supply relative to the
demand is insane. So the onlyway to handle that is to increase the

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supply. So you just, youknow, like there's only so many people
are gonna come to Dallas to seeher here, you know, it's not
like the entire world. There's anumber of Yeah, I think that there
would be something to that, forsure. There's also a number of logistical
issues there in which they can't stayin a certain place for too long for
whatever reason. They don't have thatamount of time to do that. You

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know, they couldn't if they didthat at every in every city, like
these tours would stretch on and stretchon and stretch on and stretch on,
and logistically they probably can't do thatbecause of the people they have to pay.
I think it would be great.I think it'd be cool, but
there's something people they have to pay. They're paying with the proceeds of the
Yeah, I know, but peoplelike people, the artists themselves don't want

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to be on tour for just fourstraight years if you had to stretch it
out like that. There's a reasonthat the tours get compacted into this small
amount of time and that you own, and it only happens at most twice
in one city. There's like athere is a reason for that. Yeah,
the reason is a sufficient insufficient thebeautiful thought leadership like I possess the

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primary you don't, I mean,like if you just want Like, like
you could stay on two for fouryears if you wanted to, but I
understand that people don't want to.But then like, you know, cut
Australia out of it. I don'tknow, like there's ways around what I'm
talking about. What if you justshot shots fired to Australia. I mean,

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like, dude, do Australia nextyear, you know, like take
us six months. You're getting madat me for some reason I'm not getting
I'm not mad at saying you cango to Europe and see a show for
cheap because they have regulations. I'mjust letting you know that I don't I'm
not an expert on that system,but like it's not addressing the problem.
Yeah, and I do feel likeI'm sketching that out well, Like the

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problem is the demand unless you're increasingthe supply. Accordingly, the European solution
that you're you're describing is not increasingthe supply at all. So the demand
is going to it's gonna end upsomewhere secondary market, you know, like
or just like the people who arewho have the resources to go to the
show they want to just don't getto And like I guess I like that
better I think what happens in Europeis that they sell those tickets for that

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price and then the show is soldout and it's done, and they moved
on. From my understanding, youknow what I mean, what if I
have a baby that's born prematurely?What do you mean? What if I
have tickets to that show but thenmy son gets born a week early?
Oh and you can't go? Yeah, I don't know. All I know
is that they cap the ticket prices, and I don't think there's the stratospheric

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secondary market prices, because that's whythere is this trending thing of people traveling
to Europe to see the shows Isuspect. I mean, I just whatever,
like it needs some more research.This demand is going to show up
somewhere, like I don't know whatever. I can just keep on repeating the
same points, but it doesn't.Yeah, no, no, no,

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I get it. I was justpresenting that that does exist, not saying
that it's good or bad. Well, I think it gets Pretty's not solving
the central problem. Yeah, itmust be in Europe, but who knows.
So I really want to. Imean, we got plenty more to
say about METALCA but I really wantto hear about your experience in LA.
Do you mind sharing that. Yeah, yeah, we went. I got

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a call and it's unfortunate. Ican't really say exactly what it was for,
fair enough, it was for alegendary a legendary group. Legend say
what it was for. They justtold you I could say it. Yeah,
I guess so. I think theydon't want to. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Sometimes how these things workis that you get invited to participate

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or play in a project and theydon't want it. Really getting out there,
what's happening exactly and help them,And especially in this case in which
I was asked to play drums onan album for a very legendary band,
a legendary group in the hip hopworld, And I can say that confidently,

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and what that means a lot oftimes is exactly what I thought might
happen, which is what happened here, which is that that that group isn't
necessarily present. It's that they're ateam. And when I mean team,
I mean like more than one dozenpeople involved in at least the initial process

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of of this of making the albumcome together. And a buddy of mine
named Vick Wainstein, who has acouple Grammys for producing co producing Tyler the
Creator albums. He was Mac Miller'smain dude. He's worked, He's worked

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with everybody's works with Thundercat, SteveLacy. Doesn't work on Channel Orange.
Uh yeah, which came up thisweek. Did you see the Vince Staples
on Joe Budden clip? No?I didn't, got it so good,
but I'm going to immediately I'm ahuge Vince Staples fan. He worked with
Vince Staples, my buddy. Vickwas Odd Future's main guy. And the
way the story goes is that hewas working with Busta Rhymes at Paramount Studios

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in Los Angeles and the Odd Futureguys were coming in and long story short,
no one really wanted to like workwith them, and Vic saw an
opportunity and he whenever they broke Theywere teenagers, and they were by all
accounts a handful yeah, tough teenagers. Yeah, And so Vic just kind

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of became their guy and be withthat through his talent and his sort of
and we want to get him onthe show someday. He told me he
would do it. He's a busyguy and doesn't like to He doesn't like
to self promote alide. He kindof stays in the wings and in the
shadows. But I've never met him. I would love to meet him.
It was very cool that he is. He's really all about it. He's

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all about like the music, andthat's really his main focus. And he
has so many, so many youknow, things going on at any given
time, and he's he's balancing alot of projects and he works from artists
to artists. And basically the thingthat he did is something I've done with

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him before, which is he amassis a live band. He's a team
of people and he amasses a liveband and at adn't give him point.
He had this place called Golddigger Studioin Hollywood. He had every room booked
out, and then down the streetat Paramount Studios where it all started with

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with Odd Future, just down thestreet, just a couple of blocks down
on Santa Monica. He had severalrooms going at the same time at Paramount,
so he's got that's called a lockout. So he had pretty much all
of these studios locked out. Andwe were the live band. I was
the drummer in the live band.Various musicians came in each day. There
was like the guitar player from Miguelsomeone from Anderson Pox's band, the Free

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Nationals guitar player from Dualipa, JeffDaisy and Daniel Hardaway who are Texas boys.
So I went to TCU with ora horn section for Nathaniel Rateliff,
just like a cool swath of musicianswho come together and we're kind of supplied
with a playlist and with some someinfluences, and we kind of listen to

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the playlist and Vic and a coupleother producers are there and they're kind of
saying, hey, let's check outthis song. So we'll reference like a
very specific like afrobeat song from nineteensixty five, or a Carly Simon song
from nineteen eighty three, or agat mangione like disco orchestral thing, and
they'll be like, we want somethingkind of like this. So the musicians

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will work for you know, we'llset there for like however long it takes
to come up with a cool idea, like an A section in a B
section. We'll agree on a tempo, they'll start the click track and we'll
just kind of work and sort outan arrangement and jam on it for probably
ten minutes. At that point,if they're happy with what we've done,

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they take what we've done and theytake it to one of these other rooms
in the studio and different producers startworking on the flip of these things we've
just played. So basically they're livesampling us. So we play as a
band, we get our influence,we write something right there, they take
it, they flip it, theychop it up, and maybe it'll work,

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maybe it will won't, But thenthey can catalog it and have it
as a library that they can presentto either this great giant hip hop group
of some note or any other artistsand see what works for who. And
then and uh, we just repeatthe process for several days. It's amazing.
It's so really great. It's areally really intuitive and cool way to

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work, especially in pop music andhip hop, any sample based music.
Really, uh, this feels novelto me, Like certainly whenever, like
what are the Beastie Boys putting togetherPauli's Paul's is it paul He's pulsatique?
Yeah, uh, that's not whatthey were doing, you know, No,
no, no, So like thisfeels like an evolution. Is this

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is this new? Is this.Most of the albums I've heard are made
this one, I'd say it's it'srelatively new. It's definitely been happening this
way for a little bit, likeon the on the vanguard of this in
some ways. In some ways forsure. I mean there's a lot of
people doing this and like you know, like Kamassi Washington and uh, of

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course my mind is blinking right now. The uh Robert Robert Klasper, I
think that's his name, right,Uh, piano player on Too Pimp a
Butterfly, Kendrick Lamar's album. Alot of that record was and a lot
of Kendrick stuff which Vic has beeninvolved with Kendrick. A lot of that
stuff has taken root that way.You get a band together and they'll either
come up with a full like afull arrangement of a song that then could

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just be performed to, or elementsof those songs that are come up with
will be chopped too and then turnedinto other arrangements and other songs. And
I've heard of this type of recordinghaving its origins in house music in England
in the nineteen nineties. Interesting solike EMF and Jesus Jones and a lot

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of like house DJs would sample drummers, they'd bring them into the studio and
they'd have them play breakbeats and thenthe DJs and producers would fly them into
their drum machines and speed up thetempo. And that's how you get like
a lot of a lot of thatBritish house music, a lot of like
jungle music where you hear the drumsdo things like dat jet. All that

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sped up kind of British electronic musicjust started as like a drummer playing that
tempo slowly and they would It's kindof it kind of takes root there.
And I guess things like this havebeen happening in music for decades in some
form or the other, but thefact that he has this machine kind of
pumping it out is pretty unique.Yeah. And there's there's this collective,

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I don't know. In some waysit's VC, in other ways it's like
an artist driven so like a recordlabel or management company, but called eighty
eight Rising is the name of thiscollective, and they do a lot of
K pop and a lot of thingsthat really just like move numbers and they'll
have they have artists on their rosterand stuff that I looked up that I'll

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have over a billion streams and stufflike that, because it's a big world
out there. But I know someof the stuff that we were doing as
kind of I don't bankrolled is theword, but kind of like under the
umbrella of this collective called eighty eightRise and but but where it could go
from what we play on. Youknow, a producer will hear something and

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be like, man, that wouldbe perfect for so and so we're gonna
try to shop it to him.And then the process that happens there is
that the management of these producers willthen get with the man artist management,
and they'll try to start figuring outof who likes this record, who likes
this record? You know, It'scool kind of how that works. The
thing that always blows my mind aboutVic is, you know, I mean,

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you you lived in Los Angeles fora while, you you know whatever.
You introduced me to a guy who'slike, you know, this guy's
at the top of music. Imet him when I was with Giant touring
act Ben Harper. Like that alwaysmakes sense to me, So I just
always assume it must be a storylike that with Vic. Whenever you're like,
yeah, we went to high schooltogether and Crowley. Yeah, that's

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insane. It's one of the mostinsane parts about it is that like,
like, how many high schools acrossTexas the size of Crowley were there?
Is there a single other one wherein the same class you had two guys
with the impact that you've had,Like I mean not just you guys,
there's other people that you will belike, oh yeah, I knew him
from Crowley. Yeah, me onBridges. You know, like there are

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three guys within six years, onea Grammy that all went to Crowley High
School. It's amazing, which islike Crawley High School, you know,
it's not like it's not even bookor t something like that. Yeah.
Yeah, it is a small world. And then he went to Crowley.
I knew him just a little bitbecause he ended up going to North Crowley
right at the end. But thenhe went to TCU and at TCU,

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Vic managed some local bands and likedid the thing that you do when you
manage a local band, which ishelped book them, help them arrange their
video. And like Vic's background isnot in music performance and it wasn't even
in music production per se, andwatching him work he's like a spectacular like
Rick Rubin style music producer, andthat he offers, he will he will

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get he will get specific, andhe will get technical about like some of
the process and ask for a specifickind of keyboard sound or ask if the
drums can sound junkie or this andthat. But he's not necessarily coming with
that specific musical vocabulary to be like, Okay, we're gonna like transpose this
a path a key and it's gonnago to a major seven chord on the

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bridge and this and that. It'smore like a he's more like a vibe
style producer. He's just the dudewho's a huge music fan and like knows
as much deep, weird, undergroundmusic as somebody who's inside of that trying
to learn it or trying to playit too. Can I transitions lately?
Yeah, for sure. So aspart of both of us seeing Metallica,

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we figured a way to make thisa cool Metallica blowout show. Is we
both watched some kind of monster thatwe did, the famous Metallica documentary,
and I I'm very interested in whatyou think about Bob rock Man. First
of all, did his mother namehim Robert rock I don't know about that.

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He's a little seems a little sillyto me. And it's a combination
of kid Rock's real name and stagename. That's right, you know.
My opinion about Bob Rock is thathe's what I thought a music producer was
when I just was like old enoughto kind of under sniff that out what
that meant. The guy with thelong blonde hair and the earring and the

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flowy white shirt talking about the moodof things. And I don't know too
much about his history outside of Metallica, and he's somebody that I haven't looked
into. And clearly he's got somechops and clearly he's like, you know,
maybe one of the biggest records ofall time, but he he's way
bigger than just black albums. Yeah, certainly, I think that he made

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a ton of things like the Blackalbum. Yeah, he's just someone that
I don't have, like, Idon't have like a line on per se,
but he's he's produced Doctor Feel Good. Yeah, that's that's probably that's
probably the realm. I don't knowa ton about like hair metal, I
guess, but knowing he's in therefor that and that makes a ton of

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sense, he just looks like thesex, drugs, and rock and roll
type of record producer. Metalica doesappear to have done quite a bit for
his career. M h, well, I mean the Black Albums alone probably
has to be produced. Our LadyPieces Gravity Nice not a bad record.
In fact, that's appears to bewhat he's coming off of. He was

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working with them in Tonic right beforethis documentary starts Nice. Well, those
were huge. Those were huge records. Actually must have been after. I
mean, I don't know because inthe documentary he's kind of like complaining about
Headfield being at rehab so he can'treally work on anything else. But based
on the timeline here, it seemsclear he was working on other things.

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Yeah, this guy, he's alwayshave a lot going on. But the
studio that the Black I didn't reallyleave it thinking that Bob Rock had a
lot to do with the success.Yeah, I mean there had to be.
There's a documentary about the making ofthe Black Album. Have you seen
that one? I've seen the classicalbums on the Black Album right, and

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I think it takes footage from that, and even in some kind of Monster
they show it. Yeah, theyshow some of the footage from the albums
from that era and like, yeah, it's it's all this thing like exactly,
I could do it. Anyone coulddo. Most of the people I've
ever met in my entire life coulddo it. Like, could you do

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James Hetfield's work? No? Yeah, yeah, I've never met anyone could
do James Hetfield's work. Everyone Iknow could do Bob Rock's work. He
strikes me as one of those producerswho's like, you know, like a
field guy, pushing you to dobetter this, that and the other,
but not really inside of much muchof anything. But I don't know,

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man, sometimes those guys have spark, Like there's an argument that can be
made that Rick Rubin is that kindof producer where it's like what is he
doing? Yeah? What exactly?You know? And you watched like I
watched the Shangri Law documentary about hisstudio and Malibu, which need to watch
watch watch the show. It's incredible. I love and it's uh, but
it's a lot of like I don'tknow what it is that I want,

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but I know it's not that kindof stuff. And then I think I
think it's all resource fueled so muchof the time, like you have the
pedigree. You have the money,you have the time to wait, you
have the ability to pick out onlythe best artists to work with. Yeah,
and you you know, to somedegree, you might call them the
record label. You know, likewhenever they're saying, like we're making a

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record with Bob Rock the labels,Yeah, okay, we've worked with Bob
before. We trust him. Yeah, we think this will turn out.
And like, I don't know.Whenever it's like Metallica, it's like it's
not you don't need more talent.There's enough talent there, right, you
know, Like what so if yousometimes need someone to drive the bus though,
you know the role of a goodproducer to not because sometimes a band

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will just circle. Those guys don'twant that. Yeah, you saw that.
You do see that. You dosee that they don't want it.
But sometimes there's people who are cryingout for a leader. And but most
of the situations I've involved in,it's more like it would be great if
we had many fewer leaders. Yeahwe have, yeah for sure. Yeah,
James and Lars, they need oneof them, like they don't need

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there's there's no world. They wouldn'tbe happy, It wouldn't be productive.
It wouldn't be helpful for someone tocome in and be like, I'm going
to subjugate those two. They needto battle it out amongst each other.
And so like, if you've gotsomeone who's like, like so not a
psychologist for thirty thousand dollars a week, it's not money will spent. Uh
you know. Yeah, it's aninteresting question. Like if if Bob's role

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is like they're comfortable with him,they feel like they can say whatever they
want to say around him, he'lldo the work of like whatever, and
like, you know, you hearhim calling out stuff where he's like,
you know, like it's I'm sureit's helpful to James. The whenever you're
singing it one way, Bob's like, Okay, of the two ways that
you just sang, this one worksa lot about it. Yeah that's good.
That's fine. Yeah, But likeI said, I can tell which

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one I thought sounded good. Youknow, I can't make it up.
I can't sing like that in somekind of monster. The best producer in
the room legendarily as Lars's dad.That's a whole freaking thing. What did
you think of his dad? Ilove him? I mean, what more
can you ask for it. It'sit's you know that Spinal Tap come to

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life when you every time I watchthat movie and I always clock something new,
just like I do in Spinal Tap, and just to have the Danish
wizard drop by and in part hislike super non helpful knowledge and his very
telling you know way to that hefathers. Yeah, it's makes for great

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entertainment. It's insane that there's anypart of Metallica's process twenty years on that
involves your dad being like, Idon't like it that much for anyone who
hasn't recently seen some kind of monsterthere. There's a couple scenes where lars
dad shows up. The first oneis Lars has bought some property in northern

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California. He's just like, hey, pops, check it out. Ye
aren't you proud of me? Butconfusingly, the therapist is along for it.
Yeah, so it's it's Lars showinghis dad property with the therapist just
kind of standing by, which,like, I do see such attraction to
that form of therapy. Yeah,like the like whenever you first find a

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good therapist, if you had theability to be like I just want them
over my shoulder every moment of theday, this good or bad. Yeah,
Like, it's it's just that we'repoor holding us back. Yeah,
if you, if you who hadthese things off, you know where the
therapist is. Like, actually,I could probably get a boat if I
keep doing this. I don't knowthat it's such it's it's dangerous. That's

(30:11):
that's why I have such like havingnow experienced regular therapy for a few years,
Like it's really where my head getskind of shredded. It's like these
guys maybe they're trying a therapist forthe first time. I don't remember if
they say they've been in therapy.I mean Lars has been in I mean

(30:32):
James has been in counseling and inrehab. I know it kind of stems
from there, but he goes torehab after they start the therapy. I
think this is pretty new for allof them, right, But so they
don't do a lot of vetting.But what I don't understand is like,
yeah, I haven't been around thatmini therapists, but like this one doesn't
seem good. I don't know.Yeah, it's he's not the worst,

(30:55):
but they're I think that he appearsto be genuinely helping them a lot at
times and other times is insecure abouthis position that I guess that's what bleeds
through mostly to where I'm like,but although famously therapists are pretty messed up,
but it is a lot more thanaccusing him of things, and then

(31:15):
whenever he's in the room being like, that's not how it is, and
like he's only semi convincing, butlike he has something to say, you
know, whenever they're like, youknow, you're moving to San Francisco,
just the leech off of us.He's like, not moving anywhere. I
sold my house in Kansas City.I just don't live in Kansas City anymore.
It's not a big deal. Guy. Yeah, it's like it's it's

(31:36):
hard to say what the truth isthere. It might be the case that
he just had something going on entirelyindependent of them and their neurotic guys.
They interpreted it one way. I'mnot entirely on in anyone's corner. Yeah,
I know that for sure. I'mnot either, and that makes viewing
it that much better. Yeah,you know, I'm a fan of Metallica,
but also like a fan of therapy. Yeah, and a fan of
therapy. It's just such a circus, and I don't want the circus to

(32:00):
end. And like moments like thatwhere like seeing you know, they really
get them. They're like, you'rejust you're just leaching off of us,
you're moving. It's a fabulous thingto see. Maybe he is. Maybe
I don't. I don't know ifhe is. You know, yeah,
I don't the same, I can't. It's the some of the what some

(32:22):
of his denials appear incredible, Yeah, like whatever he's trying to go back
and forth, because most of thestuff is presented about the therapist is not
when the therapist is in the room. Yeah, it's conversations capture between them
where they're like I don't know aboutthat yet, like whatever James like he
thinks he's in the band. Yeah, I think if he was in there,
it'd be like, guys, that'sridiculous. Of course, I don't

(32:43):
think that, and then like explainit convincingly somewhat, you know. Yeah.
I don't think the best way toget a read on someone is other
people gossiping about them. Yeah,no, not at all. There are
times though, watching that when I'mlike, man, that he is just
kind of bouncing there in the backGroun, like really feeling like he's a
part of the show, which isfunny. But that's what makes it so

(33:05):
I think amazing is that it's noteven like it's not even that a cool
guy that they have to be thereas their therapist. You know, it's
like they've experienced that they've had BobRoy cool at all, they've had other
producers, and that guy is notcool at all, and then the fact
that they suffer it. Maybe itspeaks more to the Philly he lives in
Kansas City. Yeah, yeah,yeah, it's bald ye wears sweaters.

(33:30):
It might speak more to the factthat, you know, Metallica is not
that cool. They're cool, They'recool Metallica, but you know, like
they're allowing this to kind of justgo on. Yeah, I think a
lot and whatever. You know,therapy is really good. Anyone who's thinking
about doing it should do it.It clearly has benefits, and you know,

(33:51):
it's a very intimate relationship. Sofinding a good therapist is difficult in
the way that you know, findingany kind of like close partner on something
like that is difficult, But likeya, in the same way, it
is very worth it. But likeI do think all back too often.
The passage in Jeff Tweedies book wherehe's talking about it of like kind of

(34:14):
the he he had a therapist thatseemed like he was not really making things
better and like it sort of wouldbe the worst case scenario for this guy
that Jeff gets better. Yeah,right, like he he wants to keep
seeing Jeff. Yeah, it's coolfor him sense that with the metallicate thing
too. Yeah, I think there'ssome of that. Notice, I just

(34:36):
don't think there's as much as theyat times think there are, right,
and like there's times where they reallywant him around and like he's doing a
lot and like these are got youknow, I mean, like like I
said last segment about James's background,you know, anyone whose mom died when
they were a teen and his dadwas abusive needs a therapist. Yeah,
and this is probably the first time, excuse me, that he really encountered

(35:00):
one. And uh, you know, so like they should definitely have management
was smart to bring him in.I think that they probably would have had
a shorter career if they hadn't broughthim in. Yeah, I think that
that guy was doing good work nowdid was it also challenging? For that
guy to like figure out how tofit all this in and like, you

(35:20):
know, control all the various partsof your ego that are going off.
I bet it was very challenging forthat. Yeah. I wonder if at
some point publicists or record label orwhoever notice because the documentary starts before they
hire the therapist, if that ifthey're just thrilled, or if someone suggests,
hey, we should bring in atherapist because the crew is because the

(35:43):
documentary crew is here too. Youknow. I don't know if it's that
extreme, but crazier things have happenedwhere they're like, let's really mix this
up because we have a potential.We have this we have this band that's
this famous band that's boiling over.However, we also have this documentary crew

(36:04):
and like, yes, this willhelp, but also we're not going to
be mad at the fact that we'rebringing in a therapist, you know,
and capturing it on film. It'swatch it like it's a really good inside
look at the way that an entitylike this works. And so you are
thinking about the roles of all thevarious parts of the apparatus, and the

(36:25):
management is driving the bus on essentiallyall of this all this part of it,
Like it's management's idea that like,you know, a documentary could really
help. It's managements. The therapistis one hundred percent management, where que
prime management team is who they're There'ssome heavy players, especially the yeah,

(36:46):
yeah, they're you know, there'svarious parts of the team. It's not
like they have a manager you have, they have a team, yeah,
and the they're the ones going outand being like, you know, this
guy has helped this group, thisgroup whatever, you know, Like I
think that he had done some amountof like helping like sports teams and things

(37:07):
of that nature. So I youknow, like obviously they're blood sucking vampires,
the management right, right, butyou see how having like economics focus,
blood sucking vampires are like they servetheir purpose to the group. Like,
I don't think that it's better forany of the individuals in Metallica if

(37:30):
they just let their resentments fester overto a point where they can't work together
and decide not to and like ifyou just let them do whatever they want
to do. I think it appearsclear at the start and throughout all the
time that James has gone that whatthey want to do is scream at each
other until they're not friends anymore,and and there's this lack a lot of

(37:52):
relationships get to that point. Yeah, and so I guess, yeah,
just think even a nerd like Philis going to help them keep going for
twenty years after this point too.And you know, it's like I'm listen.
I'm sure that they put on apublic face that's not the exact same
thing is their private lives, ofcourse, but the guys that I saw
last week or two weeks ago orwhatever seemed like they were having an amazing

(38:15):
time together. I will say thisabout the LA show, and it's a
point I wanted to bring up earlier, which speaks to a bigger point about
shows in Los Angeles. Is thatLos Angeles is notoriously known, and even
the greater Los Angeles areas. SoI'm not just talking about like snobby people
inside of West Hollywood, the greaterLos Angeles area. And maybe because it's
you're from the beach, it's alwayssunny, the weather's nice, so you're

(38:37):
always laid back. But LA audiencesare notoriously kind of sleepy, and they're
kind of notoriously they don't get itnotorious to leave early. This that and
the other. And I think thatlike James either, you know, he
seems like a very sensitive person.Obviously a lot of issues it's had to

(38:59):
work through, and those guys werehaving the time of their lives. But
even like a couple of people Iwere with who might not, you know,
be inside of it as much,kind of clocked that James was in
his fields last Sunday in a waythat he was a little timid and he
seemed a little bit insecure. AndI don't know if they did this when
they were playing the it's the newalbum called seventy two Seasons. Yeah,

(39:21):
yeah, did they did he likewas he pretty like, uh, you
know, like tough on himself aboutafter they played the songs from seventy two
Seasons And I don't think so.I don't know I'm being tough on himself
at any points. Yeah, theywere like, well, here's here's another
new one, like very like justpoking at himself about the fact that they're
having to play another new one andthat the audience might not like it.

(39:44):
And he said that like three timesafter they played three tunes from the new
album, and each time he madesomething about that, and he was like
you sure you want to play thatone to Kirk before they played another song
off the new album, and itjust kind of it kind of speaks to
the p point that, like James, James is really sensitive and I think
that like they probably they probably doget along better or they would probably have

(40:09):
called it quits and stuff like that. But there has to be some of
that dynamics still there, you know. Yeah, no, I mean it
was very apparent throughout the documentary.I thought that he's not going away.
Yeah, yeah, for sure,it should before they started filming, and
it's gonna be around a long time. Yeah yeah, yeah, and let
alone recovery or issue, you know, issues, those are things that never

(40:31):
leave. So it makes sense thatthey're still there. Man, James is
looking extremely fit and healthy. Thoughhe's looking so healthily, he was rocking
the tank top at one point.I'm like, man, that is a
that it's a fine looking sixty yearold man. He looks more chiseled than
he did in the documentary. Yeah, definitely it's bigger off that booze.

(40:51):
Yeah, they still is, Iassume, I don't know. Sunday,
I took our friend Josh. Wewent and we both had a real little
hard time taking seriously when they launchedinto one of the new songs and James
goes, this song is about deathby the Internet. No really, oh

(41:12):
man, man. I read alittle bit about what the seventy two seasons
meant, which is childhood. It'sthe first it's eighteen years eighteen times four
is seventy two. Yeah, Andso I'm imagining that, you know,
kind of what we're talking about,James speaking to some of the very difficult
aspects of his youth and can hearit in some of the lyrics. I

(41:34):
listened to a couple of the tunesand like read the genius on it,
and it does. You know,he's talking about looking out his window and
various things that you kind of dowhen you're a kid, and kind of
like adolescent perspective stuff. And it'sinteresting to know. I haven't watched any
interviews surrounding about as to you know, what made him feel comfortable enough to
like really focus the fact that thiswas going to be about adolescents or a

(41:59):
childhood. I don't know if youknow anything about it. There's just nothing
that takes the piss out of theirlyrics, like watching them come up with
their lyrics. Yeah, yeah,what's the famous one my dad? Yeah,
my lifestyle. Lifestyle determines my beststyle. Yeah yeah, like whatever,
like because the Lars is like overthere playing the worst drum beat ever,

(42:22):
like playing the snare drum on oneand three, you know, like
where like you're supposed to clap sothe devil doesn't take your soul and stuff
like that. It's so clunky.At the end of the documentary they go
up and play that song. Yeah, and it seems great. Yeah.
Yeah, all you know is thatyou're like that is that's so good?
Yeah, but like whatever, Yeah, it does get there. But boy,

(42:45):
the I mean, God bless himfrom be willing to put that out
like whatever. It's just them,like the just the corny is looking dudes
on the planet. Bob Rock mostdefinitely included. Yeah, just like kind
of nodding a lot, like,oh yeah, lifestyle destyle. That's that's
cool, man. Yeah, it'snot cool. It's not cool at all.

(43:07):
Yeah, no, it's it's veryinteresting. Their personality, Like dude
Kirk is so funny just because likehe's he knows like his identity is that
he doesn't have an identity. Yeah, plays guitar, and he's this kid.
He sounds like he's sixteen still,you know, like you hear it

(43:27):
comfortable. It's like mom and dadfighting, Like he's he's the kid.
He's never conceived himselves as mom ordad. Yeah yeah, whereas like the
other two are like I'm both dad, right, But just like you know,
I it's amazing. It's just anamazing document, Lars talking about whenever

(43:50):
they were, you know, highschool students meeting each other for the first
time, sitting in the room talkingabout music, and then someone else comes
in and like it changes, andit's just he's making it. He's being
so vulnerable, like he's not sayinglike he's not saying the words I thirst
for James's approval constantly, but likethat's clearly what he's communicating. You can

(44:15):
see that throughout for sure. Hejust needs so much for James to be
like, hey man, you're cool, and he's just not confident and like
James is kind of incapable of beingthat guy. Like that's the thing that
Lars is responding to is that Jameshas a real hard time with continuing to
be gent like I, you know, I'm guessing a little bit, But
I bet that he feels embarrassed abouthow earnestly he likes Lars. Whenever,

(44:40):
like whenever someone else shows up,he sees like that that vulnerable part of
himself and like you know, vulnerablethat means like not safe, that's scared
yea. And so whenever he likesees that, he like recoils from it.
Yeah, And so I don't doIt's just it's great, but like
I don't know whatever, there areother people in the room, you know,
Like then James is in that likescared state, and that's that's you

(45:05):
know, if Kirks and there,like whenever they're making any decision as a
band, there's other people in theroom, right uh. And so you
know, like Lars just needs somuch this like affirmation and love from James,
and James is so scared of givingit. And James is just like
you know, he's he's terrified ofthe control stuff. He just wants like
you know he yeah, yeah,no, no, no, great,

(45:25):
I didn't mean interrupt to you.It's because he's someone who lost that control
and never or never had it becauseof what he was expected to do.
And he's got this family life,but he still has it. It's like
a great practicum to watch this moviebecause it truly is like, at a
certain point, every band dynamic anda lot of times every family dynamic can

(45:46):
be comprised of these specific elements thatyou see in this in this document,
and that that's what I was goingto say too. Just the way he
recoils in his vulnerability is something that'slike, it's it's it's obvious in a
sense, you see that you're gonnado that. But this is what I
would show someone, honestly, ifthey were like, you know, describe

(46:08):
to me what dynamics are. Describeto me what like traditional family psychology is,
like, this would be one ofthe best ways to show that because
he could. He kind of lookslike they I don't even know their age
difference. I don't. I thinkthey're the same exact age. I think
they're both sixty. But like theway Large yearns for that and the way
James doesn't know how to give itis this like almost looks like it's like

(46:30):
characters in that in that book TheRoad. It's like it's like he's a
big brother in a sense, hehas to be this big brother, but
he doesn't want that role at all, and that does seem like a traditional
thing that breaks down really quickly,and Lars is looking for that that validation,
and Kurt is like the role ofthe peacekeeper of mom and dad.

(46:52):
Please don't fight or I only understandit if that is happening. Yeah.
Yeah, it's not like even pleasedon't fight. It's like he little,
yeah, sickly like comfortable, yeahfighting Yeah, you know, I don't
know. None of it's Kirk's fault. Yeah, no, no, but
you know, and then they adoptRobbie. Ye. Then they adopt a

(47:13):
new kid. Yeah, dude,that's the that's that. That was so
interesting because like they're they're auditioning bassisand every single one of the bassis has
credits that you know, you'd bevery impressed by. Yeah, And so
it's just the furthest thing from mymind that they would ever say we like
Trujillo because he's good at playing bass, Like how are they not all good

(47:37):
at playing bass? But like thethings that they like. Whenever they're talking
about the decision, they're just basicallylike, he can play fast enough to
keep up with us, and like, how how does Marilyn Manson's bassis not
able to keep up with them,Like I think that is what they go
on. That's so interesting to me. To me, that's what they say
they go on. But but whatit reads as is like they see this

(47:59):
guy who's a little bit cooler thanMetallica, Like he was in Suicidal Tendencies,
he was in thrash bands and punkbands that like they looked up to
as you know, they're contemporaries.So Metallica is becoming the biggest band in
the world, and from what littleI know about a rise to success is
while that's happening, that can alsomake you feel a little insecure because you're

(48:20):
no longer all you wanted to dowas to be the coolest band in your
band group, and now you're becomingthe famous band. So a lot of
eyes are now pointed at you andcalling you sell out for having or forming
these judgments about what you're doing,or you're having to listen to management,
or you're having to come up witha song like Inner Sandman and not tunes
off of Ride the Lightning, Andto me, they're not It's two thousand

(48:40):
and one, two thousand and two, The Black Album might have seemed like
a world ago, but it's onlylike twelve fifteen years ago. That was
their like absolute shot up to fullstardom, you know, So like that's
not a huge chapter for anyone,And to me it reads his They get
less Claypool, who's good obviously,but just in this world, I think

(49:06):
they just see this guy from Layou know, with his hat backwards and
his like greasy hair, and they'relike, yeah, that what it will
continue to make us cooler, youknow, and they can. That's just
how I read it. I don'tknow if it is. They do say
it's because he's good at base,and he is very good at base,
and it is a particular style.But with that style also comes style,
you know what I mean, likea coolness Ben's band. Did he give

(49:30):
you a million dollars? No?It did not get a million dollars.
The first time I've ever played withhim though, and I didn't know him
at all. I just got acall to come down to the studio and
it might have it might as wellbeen a million dollars because he gave us
a thousand dollars. It's been twodays in the studio and I never ever

(49:52):
made Yeah, I'd never made fivehundred dollars a day to play music.
So it felt like that. Butthat is probably my most famous favorite moment
of the documentary is when they're likea million dollars get to see a guy
win the lottery. Yeah, youknow, like that's like, not only
did he get to join Metallica?And it was interested because there's there's that,

(50:15):
there's the meeting where they're like,you're in Metallica, and then they
go to the lawyers to hash everythingout. That's a separate meeting. Yeah,
And I think because it's very interestingthat the lawyers are proposing a very
ornate system where tru Hero like hasvotes, but it's a very baroque like

(50:37):
yeah, yeah, right, yougot five votes now, and then you
get whenever you're in the band foranother year, you get like ten more
votes. And they each get likethirty two votes. Still better than what
Puerto Rico gets. I think inthe United definitely definitely uh And they immediately
are like looking at the lawyers andhorror. The members of the band are

(50:58):
like, no, he gets one, Like it's four people decide he's one
of those he's a people just likeus. Yeah, and then management's a
tiebreaker I feel safe to say this. It baffled the management of a rock
band that I play the drums andcurrently that you're friends with pretty good friends
with the singer in two when themanagement, the previous management found out that

(51:21):
they that we were all getting thesame cut at the live shows, and
the management like, you don't haveto do that, why are you doing
that? And it's this like traditionalNashville management group. And then I go
and I talk to buddies who playfor like country artists and stuff like that,
and I'm like, you're making whatand you agreed to that and you're
just doing that like you're out theredoing the freaking work, you know.

(51:43):
So it's management will never ever,ever ever be proponents for you know.
And I don't know because yeah,I don't know if it's because it cuts
into the cut a different way orthey're just watching out for number one.
And I'm sure that the lawyers arethrough management. But it was interesting.
It wasn't prime guys. Yeah,it's like it is lawyers and so like
I well anticipate they're doing that becausethey think that's what their clients want.

(52:07):
Yeah, sure, but like Ialso was like wanted I yen I don't
think that there was, but likethere's a small voice in the back of
my head like is this uh youknow, like throw in the fight,
like so that they can come inand be like no, no, no,
we actually think he's one fourth yeaof us, you know, like

(52:27):
yeah, like how cool did theylook? Whenever the other guys are like
we want to kind of suppress hisvoice, They like, no, we
want to give him a full voice. Yeah. I think that there could
be something to that, but Ialso think that they seem frustrated and tired
enough they feel like they have thisnew lease on life a little bit.
Yeah, so they're like, well, from from our previous track record,

(52:49):
the fact that we're feeling okay aboutthings will probably mean that we're going to
sell out every night, including Australia, you know, like it probably means
that things are gonna be okay.So yeah, why not just like cut
him in? But I don't know, like you're speaking early, Like Ben
Harper was extremely generous when I playedwith him too, And there's just certain

(53:10):
people who just get it, andI think just to understand that it should
just be that way and that's goingto keep you happy and to be honest
with you, man, the things, what are they going to do with
that money? Yeah? And thething yeah, it's it's it's an unmeasurable
amount. Ye, anyway you lookat it. And honestly, the thing
that kept me the happiest for solong was knowing that, at least for
that kind of stuff, dude wasbeing fairly fair, you know, until

(53:32):
it wasn't. Yeah, I don'twant it. We're talking about some kind
of monster in the Metallica documentary,and I refused to let this pass without
remarking upon you know, just oneof the biggest things, like I never
I don't know, like a singleMegadeth song, so like it's not a
big deal to me, but likejust whenever I'm a kid learning about music,

(53:54):
Yeah, almost forgot them. It'ssuch a huge thing that there was
a guy in the band. Theykicked him out and he formed a band
that sold you know, not asmany records, but a competitive amounts.
It's one of the biggest stories andlike that kind of rock and roll.
Yeah, and for them, likeI was just blown away when the psychologist

(54:16):
or whatever is like, let's gethim here. Yeah. And while head
Field didn't rehab so he's not there. Yeah, but Lars just sits down
with Dave Mustain and Dave's just like, yeah, man, it hurt my
feelings a lot. Yeah, itwas amazing. Yeah, it is amazing.
That's when I wondered if it wasfor like, like I said earlier,
let's get a psychologist for the film, Like, were they like,

(54:37):
okay, now let's get Dave inhere too. And maybe it was,
and maybe it wasn't, But whateverhappened though, they should have that conversation.
Yeah, I'm sure it was goodfor both of them. Absolutely,
I could leave. Dave was saying, yeah, I couldn't eat dude,
it's very talk about vulnerable. It'slike that has to be exactly how he
feels, because there's no other reasonyou would admit to that kind of stuff.

(54:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like if it were dude,
I mean, I don't know.I don't think I could be honest if
that's how I felt. I don'tthink I could be honest with myself.
That's how I felt. Sure it'sa guy who has sold millions and millions
of records, being like, noneof that meant anything to me. The
only I just consider myself a loser. Because I'm not as good as you
guys. Yeah, like that's sotough. Yeah, it's it's insane.

(55:21):
And then it is like this legendarystory that got told for years, even
like like you say, it wasa very memorable part of that rock and
roll in metal history, and thento just see it happen there is crazy.
And I can't help but feel likethey planned it so that James wouldn't
be there, because I don't knowhow that would have gone because what also,

(55:43):
I also think they're just stretching forcontent Well, James doesn't tell them
where he is. Yeah, that'svery true, because I don't know if
Dave and James, I don't knowwhat that would look like. You know,
I know because I know that that'spretty contentious. And I know the
way you see just in the moviehow James handles those situations. It's pretty
Yeah, he's not like I don'tthink he's incapable of doing it. Yeah,

(56:06):
he seems interested in getting better,and boy he needs to. At
the beginning of the documentary when he'stalking about like before he goes in the
rehab, he's drinking vodka with likeI think Russian bear hunters on his son's
first birthday. Instead of being withhis child on his first birthday, he's
got a hunt Bears in Siberia.It wasn't even too sad. I know

(56:30):
it's very sad, and I've heardsome tales and I'm sure you have to,
but like I've heard some tales andseen some people and seen some actual
ridiculous things where I'm like, theonly reason that this decision is being made
right now is based on their ownpain, and that's not good and that

(56:51):
Yeah, I'd rather be in prisonthan in Siberia. Yeah, Hunting Bears
on my son's first birthdayrights he paidthousands of For sure, it's a really
lousy way to have to be asa human two other people, But like
the inward focus on that is like, man, that is broken, and
it's just a sign of someone broken. And I think I guess he did
probably get better. And that kidis probably twenty four. Yeah, I

(57:17):
mean it's the kid playing with friends. Yeah, he's only got one son.
Just blew my mind? Is thatkid, dude? It's the kid
one year old walking around the documentarySiberian Bear one year old. Yes,
his art got to hang out withour buds last weekend. Yeah. Yeah,

(57:37):
I don't know what the band's like. I haven't heard them. I
bet they're good. Yeah, they'reprobably pretty good. I do think that
if my dad was James Hetfield,I would have hard time making metal music.
Yeah. I saw Billy Joe Armstrong'skid play at Tulips and four or
three sons great. Yeah yeah,and I didn't even know it was him,

(57:57):
right, and it was sounded justlike him. So I would have
liked to see how the Metallica kidbands are traveling. And I assume they're
probably, you know, I don'tknow if like I don't I don't feel
like they're two tours just lined upand they got to hang out in the
city. I think it's probably playingthis. Yeah, they probably play like
Metallica Zoom plays Friday Sunday everywhere they'regoing, and then Saturday. Yeah you

(58:21):
know, yeah plays a show inbetween, which is so interesting because like
you could just have him open up. I know, but like this is
in its own way better, Likeit's it's pretty cool. It's a very
cool thing. Yeah, I wonderwhat the travel I was really eager to
know what the traveling situation might looklike because Billy Joe Armstrong's son was in
a crappy van. And I know, I said on the show last week,

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but I wonder if it's like that'sjust what you gotta go do,
or if it's like Billy encouraging himto do it that way, you know,
like yeah, like I would tellfor a summer, Yeah, right,
because I was a waiter for asummer and it taught me a lot.
It was terrible. It was sobad, but I'm a better person
because of it. I lasted awaiter. I one night I could do

(59:04):
waiting. I should have stopped afterthe first night. It was the writing
was on the wall at that pointthat I was terrible at it, but
I just kept going. Yeah.The trey passing for about six months though,
like catering kind of like yeah,yeah, n l a, yeah,
yeah. It was the first gigI had there for about six months

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before anything happened. Parties that dowhat parties? Steve Gutenberg, No,
no Gutenberg, no Gutenberg. ButI did a stupid Roxy I remember Roxy
surfware. That was fun. It'snice. Yeah, yeah, Well,
we we appreciate everyone, uh youknow, all the non unt fans that

(59:45):
have stuck with us. It meansa lot. Well, we'll be back
next week. I don't know whatthe mean green schedule. Yeah, we
gotta check out. I don't knowwhen we'll be on, but yeah,
we we love you guys. Thisis their bad culture.