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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
I wanted to talk to you about a specific story
that I saw in the news. Tom Brady cloned his dog.
His dog died a couple of years ago. He cloned
the dog, so he's got a dog that, basically, from
our understanding, looks exactly like his previous dog. And this
got me to thinking, I'm a huge dog guy myself.
I've lost pets before, but is this something I would
(00:24):
even be interested in doing. Can you tell me before
we get to the morality of the situation, just the
science of this and how it was successful.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, exactly. So Tom Brady the ex husband of Giselle.
They had a dog together and the marriage didn't last.
But the dog's name is Lewa. The dog dies and
Tom says, I miss my dog. Tom takes the DNA
and said dog and invests in this company, Colossal Biosciences,
(00:53):
and clones the dog. Now, the celebrities like Caro Siltan
have done this too, and h and it's a thing.
I mean, you take the DNA and you clone the dog.
But to your point, my dog is literally just put
his balls on me right now, and he's staring up
at me, it's not the same dog, right, I mean
a clone is not a direct replica. I mean the
(01:16):
thing is born in a different era, different life experiences.
For example, Lua had a mom and Giselle, and this
dog Jazelle is not a factor in the life. And
I'm not saying it for humorous reasons. I'm saying it
to illustrate the point of just because you might have
the same genetic DNA or sequencing as someone doesn't make
you the actual person or animal in this case.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, it's a butterfly effect, honestly, just what would happen
in that situation. And I think on the morality aspect,
I think a lot of people who read this story,
we're asking is this the right thing to do?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Now?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I'm also incredibly curious about animals in general, and I
read the story of the Perrhanian ibex, which is kind
of a goat the subspecies in the parent mountains in Spain,
and it went extinct. They saw the last one die
in like two thousand and a company tried to clone
to save that species, resurrected the species for like three
(02:13):
minutes before the clone died from a lung defect. They
haven't tried again since, But I wonder what the science
on this is, because would that be then an option
to try to revive or resurrect certain species at the
very least and have them make up, you know, with
the exact DNA of a previous animal that might have
(02:35):
been greatly endangered and eventually goes extinct.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yes, it is. And if you think of Willie Mammos,
they're talking about doing this and the science. So we
talked about the ethical concerns, but the scientific research about
climate change for example, or agricultural or farming or even
food production and cloned meat and whatnot. I mean from
there's that perspective of this too, and so so that's
(03:00):
something that when you you know, I don't even want
to take it to outer space, but you can imagine
if you're trying to create a Moon colony or a
Mars colony, or a science or a space farm for
agriculture for research, something like this procedure is a lot
more effective and can be in many ways, perhaps automated
by electronics and robotics in outer space if you're trying
(03:23):
to you know, I don't want to even say terra
form in the distant future, but in the short term,
create laboratories or food and agriculture for humans on another
in outer space, but here on planet Earth, where climate
change is a thing or we're farming and access to
farms and food and whatnot is an issue. This type
(03:45):
of science can help. But it does kind of give
you a pause and make you think about Jurassic Park.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, right, because the whole premise of that is they
they ask themselves whether or not they could, but they
didn't ask whether or not they should, and then the
dinosaurs go rogue and they start eating people. So you know,
it's like, from that perspective, right in the wooly mammoth,
that's a large animal, right Like, that is not just
(04:12):
a small animal. All due respect to the Piranian ibex,
it's not the same type of animal. So I suppose,
But I suppose if we're talking about this being a
real legitimate thing to do, or even giving people the
option of cloning a pet that they truly loved, if
that's something that they decided to do instead of adopting,
you know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Know, a new dog that might already have been born.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
What would be the cost of this, Because it feels
like this would be a very expensive procedure to continue
to invest in.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Several thousand dollars. It really depends on the company and
the breed, but it's definitely not cheap. Would you want
to clone one of your old dogs?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
No chance, zero percent chance.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So I'm like you, I have no judgment for people
who would do it. Truthfully, I'm against human cloning. I
want to be sure of that. But I agree I
could never clone. Why why wouldn't you clone your dog?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, I wouldn't clone my dog because you, I mean,
you outlined it perfectly. No matter, like, unless I'm like
a professional dog shower and I wanted to unethically try
to win dog shows and I had a really good
show dog. I just cloned that guy over and over
again to win as many dog shows as possible.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That seems like it should be illegal.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Uh, but if you're talking about a companion, you're talking
about a real connection that you make with an animal.
That dog that you cloned, like the new one, it
has none of the same memories, none of the same experiences.
You're still starting from square one. Why wouldn't you do
that with a dog that's already been born, that already
needs a home, that could absolutely use that type of companionship.
(05:45):
And also I find that adventure of you know, I've
had five different greyhounds. I'm a greyhound guy, and every
single one of them have their own quirks, their own personalities,
and it's honestly an adventure for you to learn how
to connect with them every single time.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I wouldn't want to give that up.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I totally agree. I didn't even think of the show
dog thing, but for a but as you were talking,
I was thinking about to your point, when I got
Theodore Theo my Brussels. You know what, if he was
a clone or you had a clone dog, you would
be thinking of your dead dog while you're raising and
(06:24):
training your clone dog. That's not fair to anyone, I
don't know, but it begs the question which we talked
about on the podcast Hollo the Future, about how technology
is changing the relationships that we have with pets, with humans,
with robots, the relationships that humans have with devices and
all of these human what makes us human and it
changes our relationships with different things. And this is just
(06:46):
the latest example of that, and it is really fascinating.
And I do just want to note I mean, pet
cloning is one thing but the applications of these sciences
and other more produced or more productive ways, particularly when
it comes to agriculture and farming and food production, there
can be upside and can be opportunities.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You can hear Kevin Sirelli in his podcast Hello Future
on the iHeartRadio app. Kevin has always really do appreciate
the time today. We'll chat again soon.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Thank you baby,
Hey, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
I wanted to talk to you about a specific story
that I saw in the news. Tom Brady cloned his dog.
His dog died a couple of years ago. He cloned
the dog, so he's got a dog that, basically, from
our understanding, looks exactly like his previous dog. And this
got me to thinking, I'm a huge dog guy myself.
I've lost pets before, but is this something I would
(00:24):
even be interested in doing. Can you tell me before
we get to the morality of the situation, just the
science of this and how it was successful.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, exactly. So Tom Brady the ex husband of Giselle.
They had a dog together and the marriage didn't last.
But the dog's name is Lewa. The dog dies and
Tom says, I miss my dog. Tom takes the DNA
and said dog and invests in this company, Colossal Biosciences,
(00:53):
and clones the dog. Now, the celebrities like Caro Siltan
have done this too, and h and it's a thing.
I mean, you take the DNA and you clone the dog.
But to your point, my dog is literally just put
his balls on me right now, and he's staring up
at me, it's not the same dog, right, I mean
a clone is not a direct replica. I mean the
(01:16):
thing is born in a different era, different life experiences.
For example, Lua had a mom and Giselle, and this
dog Jazelle is not a factor in the life. And
I'm not saying it for humorous reasons. I'm saying it
to illustrate the point of just because you might have
the same genetic DNA or sequencing as someone doesn't make
you the actual person or animal in this case.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, it's a butterfly effect, honestly, just what would happen
in that situation. And I think on the morality aspect,
I think a lot of people who read this story,
we're asking is this the right thing to do?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Now?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I'm also incredibly curious about animals in general, and I
read the story of the Perrhanian ibex, which is kind
of a goat the subspecies in the parent mountains in Spain,
and it went extinct. They saw the last one die
in like two thousand and a company tried to clone
to save that species, resurrected the species for like three
(02:13):
minutes before the clone died from a lung defect. They
haven't tried again since, But I wonder what the science
on this is, because would that be then an option
to try to revive or resurrect certain species at the
very least and have them make up, you know, with
the exact DNA of a previous animal that might have
(02:35):
been greatly endangered and eventually goes extinct.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yes, it is. And if you think of Willie Mammos,
they're talking about doing this and the science. So we
talked about the ethical concerns, but the scientific research about
climate change for example, or agricultural or farming or even
food production and cloned meat and whatnot. I mean from
there's that perspective of this too, and so so that's
(03:00):
something that when you you know, I don't even want
to take it to outer space, but you can imagine
if you're trying to create a Moon colony or a
Mars colony, or a science or a space farm for
agriculture for research, something like this procedure is a lot
more effective and can be in many ways, perhaps automated
by electronics and robotics in outer space if you're trying
(03:23):
to you know, I don't want to even say terra
form in the distant future, but in the short term,
create laboratories or food and agriculture for humans on another
in outer space, but here on planet Earth, where climate
change is a thing or we're farming and access to
farms and food and whatnot is an issue. This type
(03:45):
of science can help. But it does kind of give
you a pause and make you think about Jurassic Park.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, right, because the whole premise of that is they
they ask themselves whether or not they could, but they
didn't ask whether or not they should, and then the
dinosaurs go rogue and they start eating people. So you know,
it's like, from that perspective, right in the wooly mammoth,
that's a large animal, right Like, that is not just
(04:12):
a small animal. All due respect to the Piranian ibex,
it's not the same type of animal. So I suppose,
But I suppose if we're talking about this being a
real legitimate thing to do, or even giving people the
option of cloning a pet that they truly loved, if
that's something that they decided to do instead of adopting,
you know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Know, a new dog that might already have been born.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
What would be the cost of this, Because it feels
like this would be a very expensive procedure to continue
to invest in.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Several thousand dollars. It really depends on the company and
the breed, but it's definitely not cheap. Would you want
to clone one of your old dogs?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
No chance, zero percent chance.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So I'm like you, I have no judgment for people
who would do it. Truthfully, I'm against human cloning. I
want to be sure of that. But I agree I
could never clone. Why why wouldn't you clone your dog?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, I wouldn't clone my dog because you, I mean,
you outlined it perfectly. No matter, like, unless I'm like
a professional dog shower and I wanted to unethically try
to win dog shows and I had a really good
show dog. I just cloned that guy over and over
again to win as many dog shows as possible.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That seems like it should be illegal.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Uh, but if you're talking about a companion, you're talking
about a real connection that you make with an animal.
That dog that you cloned, like the new one, it
has none of the same memories, none of the same experiences.
You're still starting from square one. Why wouldn't you do
that with a dog that's already been born, that already
needs a home, that could absolutely use that type of companionship.
(05:45):
And also I find that adventure of you know, I've
had five different greyhounds. I'm a greyhound guy, and every
single one of them have their own quirks, their own personalities,
and it's honestly an adventure for you to learn how
to connect with them every single time.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I wouldn't want to give that up.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I totally agree. I didn't even think of the show
dog thing, but for a but as you were talking,
I was thinking about to your point, when I got
Theodore Theo my Brussels. You know what, if he was
a clone or you had a clone dog, you would
be thinking of your dead dog while you're raising and
(06:24):
training your clone dog. That's not fair to anyone, I
don't know, but it begs the question which we talked
about on the podcast Hollo the Future, about how technology
is changing the relationships that we have with pets, with humans,
with robots, the relationships that humans have with devices and
all of these human what makes us human and it
changes our relationships with different things. And this is just
(06:46):
the latest example of that, and it is really fascinating.
And I do just want to note I mean, pet
cloning is one thing but the applications of these sciences
and other more produced or more productive ways, particularly when
it comes to agriculture and farming and food production, there
can be upside and can be opportunities.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You can hear Kevin Sirelli in his podcast Hello Future
on the iHeartRadio app. Kevin has always really do appreciate
the time today. We'll chat again soon.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Thank you baby,
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