DeepSeek Deep Trouble? | John Fetterson Goes on The View

DeepSeek Deep Trouble? | John Fetterson Goes on The View

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Could we just get this all the time? Do we
need winter? Do we need snow? Am I asking too much? Well,
if al Gore had his way, it'd be ninety degrees
every single day. That's not right, and we'd all live
on an island. That's not right. No, that's not what
he wanted. That's what he said was going to happen.
Those are different things. Oh, I always got that turned around. Yeah, yeah,
and no, I thought that maybe that's why he invented
the Internet in the first place. He didn't invent the internet.

(00:22):
He because he had to chase down man bear pig, right,
man bear pig? That's right? Yeah, jeez wow, Well, you
know it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
This is what we do.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
You know, you gotta wonder. Like Jimmy Carter was celebrated
for what he did after the White House, maybe we
could say al Gore ended up doing more. I mean,
he went on to invent the internet, global climate change,
and he was chasing down man bear pig the whole time,
Man bear pig. What's worse skasquatch or man bear pig?
And I think ultimately probably the man bear pig, just

(00:56):
because it's that's different, that's three different ways you know
that you got to look out for the Sasquatch. I
feel like a Sasquatch to me, always seemed a little misunderstood.
I feel like there's something. I feel like there's something
we could do there for Sasquatch, some sort of Sasquatch
outreach program. He just need better p R. I think.
So right here, here's my thing. Did you ever watch Rugrats? Yeah?

(01:18):
Remember that episode early on in Rugrats where the kids
kept calling a bigfoot Satchmo Satchmo. Yeah, as in like
Louis Armstrong. They just kept calling him Satchmo when every
he's like the trumpet layer. It's like Angelica is like,
we're scared of Satchmo, Satchmo the trumpet player. It's like,
you know, they were scared by a scary ghost story

(01:39):
in their backyard. Oh gosh, what a great show. How
do we do more of that? It's cool that you
talked to one of the creators. I did, didn't I
That was pretty cool, Arlen, right, yeah, Arlene Klasky, Yeah,
that was cool, really cool to get a chance to
talk to people like that. Anyway. What's going on in
the news, Oh yeah, that's right. Had an American made

(02:02):
jet just break the speed of sound in a flight,
which is pretty interesting, but that doesn't necessarily solve the
problem of artificial intelligence going faster than the speed of sound.
How about that for a transition artificial intelligence in China?
Five point six million dollars, two thousand chips, the ability
to basically copy chat GPT in a very interesting and

(02:29):
important way for a fraction of the cost. They're calling
it Sputnik Sputnik if this is the Sputnik moment that
could change everything, just like the Russians and Sputnik kind
of escalated and elevated the competition to get to space
with man flight and land on the Moon, which we

(02:50):
think happened at least it happened right, So they kind
of took like all these new ideas coming out around AI,
waited until they figured it out and then found a
way to do it an much cheaper, easier way, and
then have popped it right back out. And it's like
it's essentially the chat GPT most recent model for almost
none of the price, Like I mean, five point six

(03:12):
million versus hundreds of millions of dollars. Remember the stargate
thing this time last week that was announced five hundred
billion dollars or four years to invest in American artificial intelligence.
These guys in China just made one that's on par
with one of those companies for five point six million dollars,
not five point six billion, five point six million dollars.

(03:32):
This is this could be catastrophic. But Donald Trump yesterday,
you know, he had his big thing and he said
he thinks it's good. Did you know that he thinks
all he thinks a deep seek, right, Yeah, he thinks
it's good. Yeah, I'll pull up the audio here, you
know the the uh. It's fascinating to see how fast
that happened. And were they sitting on this? Were the

(03:55):
Chinese sitting on this? That's what I want to know,
because if they were, their genius is, yeah, what's the
advantage of releasing it now? Well, it's because they just
saw that Donald Trump and the American government are essentially
co signing and helping promote five hundred billion dollars into
of investment from American companies into artificial intelligence in this

(04:17):
country's right. And a week later, all of a sudden,
the Chinese company is every bit as advanced as any
of them are, and they spent five point six million
dollars something like sixty six days, which is a tiny
amount of time to train it. And they are only
using two thousand chips, which you know that might be confusing.

(04:38):
How many chips does CHET GPT operate on? And I'm
going to ask chat GPT that right now. It says
because two thousand, you know, it's just like, what's that
relative too? Because all the other numbers are crazy, But
these digital processing units come on, just answer my question. Yeah,

(05:00):
it's a lot more. It's got a lot more. It
could be in the tens of thousands, it says, possibly
higher as far as these GPUs or what people are
calling chips. But yeah, there you go. So they just
did a better version of what we're doing. Now. So
what did Donald Trump yesterday as he was addressing the

(05:20):
the fine folks at the Congressional Institute speaking to house
for Republicans who are all in attendance at the beginning
of this here term for not just him, but for
the Congress as well. And here's what he had to
say when it came to the information that of course
scared the stock market crazy yesterday. And here's Donald Trump
from last night.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Today and over the last couple of days, I've been
reading about China and some of the companies in China,
one in particular coming up with a faster method of
AI and much less expensive method. And that's good because
you don't have to spend as much money. I view
that as a positive as an asset, so I really
think if it's if it's fact, and if it's true,

(06:02):
and nobody really knows if it is. But I view
that as a positive because you'll be doing that too,
so you won't be spending as much and you'll get
the same result. Hopefully, the release of deep Seek AI
from a Chinese company should be a wake up call
for our industries that we need to be laser focused
on competing to win because we have the greatest scientists

(06:22):
in the world. Even Chinese leadership told me that, they said,
you have the most brilliant scientists in the world, and
Seattle and various places, but Silicon Valley they said, there's
nobody like those people. This is very unusual when you
hear a deep Seek, when you hear somebody come up
with something. We always have the ideas, we're always first,
So I would say that's a positive that could be

(06:45):
very much a positive developments. Instead of spending billions in billions,
you'll spend less and you'll come up with hopefully the
same solution. Under the Trump administration, we're going to unleash
our tech companies and we're going to dominate the future
life never before.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
And there you go, there's Donald Trump talking about this.
I saw you shaking your head because this is the
kind of AI warfare that you've warned US is gonna happen. Well,
it's information warfare too. Is anyone considering that? So? Wait?
I'm sorry? Can I be the guy here? And I
don't want to be the guy? Makes me feel a
little weird to be the guy? Right? Be the guy?

(07:23):
Go ahead, I know you've been waiting your turn. Do
we really do we really want? Okay?

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Nah?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Do we really want a Communist Party of China Kina Chuina? Okay?
Do we really want the Communist Party of China to
be dictating which AI were using?

Speaker 5 (07:44):
Now?

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Okay? Are they dictating?

Speaker 4 (07:46):
No?

Speaker 1 (07:46):
But is it the cheapest out there? Yes? And it
makes me think of of No, I don't want this.
I don't want the world to turn to one source
because it's super cheap. And then all of a sudden
you can't find anything on that that's about Winnie the Pooh.
I don't want what you know exactly what I'm talking about,
Emery Songer. I don't want us to have a one

(08:08):
source of information here. We're just aren't we just talking
about this today? About however, you know, Elon is saying
everyone's the media these days, which has its own craziness
to it. But you know, you can't let everybody be
the media because well because that's bonkers. But but what
I'm saying is do we really want? Do we really want?
Do we do?

Speaker 3 (08:26):
We?

Speaker 1 (08:28):
I'm just I don't know. I don't like this we
need you know, I don't like it. I don't like
it one bit. And again it just proves my point.
We need to unplug this stuff. We need to get
back into the realle. We don't need the answers to
every Yeah we do. And you know what is if
we don't have them, the Chinese have them. And that's
what we need to, you know, kicking the shorts. Let's
go American companies. If you want to call in about this.
Four oh two five five eight eleven ten. Is that number?

(08:50):
Four oh two five five eight eleven ten, who's radio
eleven ten kfa B. Jeff, how you doing today? What's
on your mind?

Speaker 6 (08:59):
Real quick?

Speaker 7 (09:00):
On the deep sea comments that the President talked about yesterday,
I listened to them on the way home yesterday when
that was going on Hunt, and I guess I took
a different message away.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
And maybe it's nuanced by him, maybe it wasn't.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
Maybe he didn't have enough time to take it all in.
But he doesn't say things like that without specific purpose.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
And the purpose I got.

Speaker 7 (09:20):
Away from it was competition is helping and.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
Good for our companies. If a Chinese Communist party company
did this as quickly as they did allegedly, and as
cheaply as they did allegedly, and effective allegedly, I think
he may have been throwing down the gauntlet to our
own companies that you know what.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
You can do better than that.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
And so maybe that's the kick in the butt that
we need as American companies that do things on time,
within a budget and not have it take years to do. Jeff,
that's all.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah. Well, Jeff, say say there for a second, do
you think that this has like do you think the
message would have been different if they hadn't announced this
stargate stuff, as you know, a week ago before this
aw happened and drastically affected the American stocks.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Yeah, that I don't know. It may have, it may
not have. I don't know, but it definitely would have
been ahead of our consortium, if you'll call it that,
their announcement of this high number on the dollar and
HI our long term to do it.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
It's crazy. One hundred billion dollars the first year, five
hundred billion dollars over four years, and these guys in
China were able to do something similar for a fraction
of that. It's just kind of crazy to think about. Jeff,
thanks for listening to the show now, no doubt. Thanks
for the call. Jeff, appreciate it. Yeah, no, I mean
it's definitely the kicking the shorts. I agree with that,

(10:51):
and I'm sure you know Trump is going to be
promoting that. But man, when you hear five point six
million dollars got what they have and we're talking about
these companies in asting up the five hundred billion dollars
in this stuff, is it obsolete? Did it become obsolete
within a week? I don't think so, but it's definitely
this is why the stock market like had a very
adverse reaction to this, just like, how far ahead of

(11:13):
us are they? Or are they just copying our lines
word for word, bar for bar. Is that something that's
going on out there? You know, maybe they are. Who
knows bests on the line. Let's take BET's call. Welcome
to the show, Beth, what's on your mind?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Thank you, Emory. I just think that they fair. It
seems to me, like I have to say, I really
don't know, because I don't know everything. You can't know.
It's just your impression. It feels like they ferreted it out,
if that makes sense. It's been found out, it's ferreted out,

(11:48):
it's been pushed out, it's been.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
Exposed.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I got this to the band.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, for sure, feels and it seems like it.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
So I guess that's okay because I'll bet on an
American any day in the week.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah. Well, they will have they'll certainly have a response.
I mean they've already committed to one hundred billion dollars
in the first year of this partnership, so we'll see
what they're able to come up with. And like much
like with the Space Race, when spot Nick helped the
Russians take the lead, the Americans are able to respond
and ended up beating them to the moon. So maybe
that's what we can see with this artificial intelligence conversation

(12:28):
as well. Beth, thanks for the call today. Thank you
all right, if you want to call in, you got
some thoughts on this the deep seek thing, the stock
markets and how hopefully they've stabilized for you if you're
an investor in tech or you're just an Apple investor
and like, hey, yesterday was an awesome day for me,
so I don't know anybody's talking about. Well, go ahead
and call in four two five, five eight eleven ten.

(12:49):
Four two five five eight eleven ten we'll talk more
with you, and later on in the show before six o'clock,
we're going to revisit a lot of the highlights from
the first actual sit down conversation was gonna sit down.
It was the first day for the brand new press
Secretary Caroline Levitt will tell you some of the great
things that we pulled away from that first briefing coming

(13:09):
up as well, So stay with us on news radio
eleven ten kfab Emrie's songer on news radio eleven ten
kfab rip City Portland. Nice, nice, good job. You're three
o'clock hour. Here's your your hint. Who's your daddy? Gary?

(13:31):
Gary indian Not Gary, but Indianapolis. Yeah, yeah, hold on,
hold on this second, Arry. We have like eight hundred sounders.
So when you hear him struggling to get the sounder,
it's because it's on like fifteen pages away from like
where it really is sitting. I could sort it a

(13:52):
little bit better, but I'm lazy. Yeah, well, good job. Anyway,
there's some interesting audio that came out yesterday. We're gonna
get to We're gonna revisit in the five o'clock hours,
So I want you to put a pin in this.
We are going to revisit the conversations of you know,
what is happening, specifically with the brand new press secretary,

(14:16):
twenty seven year old who is Her name's Caroline Levitt
from New Hampshire, and she's I wouldn't say she's unknown
because if you follow politics very closely, you would be
familiar with her. She's making a lot of waves as
a twenty five year old running for Congress back in
twenty twenty two. Literally as soon as she got old enough,
she was running for office. Didn't win, but made some

(14:39):
waves and got herself on the radar of Donald Trump
and now is the press secretary for him as president
of the second term. We'll get to what she has said.
There's a few different things here, and we mentioned some
of the like you heard in the newscast that there is.
The Court has kind of come in and said, you know, like, hey,
we need to stop this federal fun like federal aid freeze,

(14:59):
which was schedu to take place here in the four
o'clock hour locally here, and we'll have her explanation. We'll
do that at the top of the five o'clock hour, so
we're going to catch all of our drive time when
we play a lot of those clips. And it was good.
I thought she did a really good job. And I
kind of want to hear what you have to say
when we get to that. But the audio I want

(15:20):
to play is from a guy who is eclectic, He
is enigmatic. He is quite quite honestly, one of the
most confusing and perplexing individuals that have ever been elected
to Congress. And his name is John Fetterman, the sweater Man,
as I like to call him. And what do we
make of this guy right now? Like, honestly, what do
we make of him? Because it was a big deal

(15:41):
when him and met Oz were like going against each
other in Pennsylvania, which is a battleground state, and I
peple were just like, this guy had a stroke, he
can't serve. But now there are more Republicans coming to
his praises because of his viewpoints and his ability to
just kind of like play ball. I suppose, what do
we make of this guy? I got a few clips
from the view that I'm going to play here momentarily,
but like, what do we make of this guy? He

(16:02):
just wear shorts and flats and sweatshirt everywhere. The hoodie, Yeah,
you know what an interesting guy, and and the strategy
behind that may have been. You know, if I was
his publicist, I would say, it's a tough job. Yeah
I have. I had an old John sit down on
whatever couch he's got, but that he probably bought from
goodwill and he got forward better. But that's just his style, right,

(16:23):
right right. I got the coffee stains that aren't from
his coffee, and we just hope they're coffee stains. You
know that kind of situation. That's gross, I know it,
but that's John. You know what I have John have
a seat on his dirty couch, and I'd say, listen here,
mister fetterman. I think the whole look, I think your
whole image, I think your whole aesthetic. If at this

(16:43):
point it's doing you a disservice, and I'll tell you
why because it initially maybe we knew what you were
getting to, and maybe we an identity, right, like this
is who he is, right, he's the everyman right, right?
But I think at this point people just see you
as like, what's that guy doing here?

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Like?

Speaker 1 (17:00):
What's this guy doing? Did he just wander in? Was
he looking for Little Caesars and went to the wrong address?
Like what's going on here? Oh, he's probably just waiting
to get his pizzas so he can get back to
playing video games in his mom's basement. No, actually, he's
in Congress and he's making really big decisions that weigh
in on all of our futures. He's one of two
senators from a large state of the union. Right, so
if he really is making a turn, and this might

(17:20):
help because let me tell you, he goes on the
view and if he gets lambasted, he's going to go
home and be like, you know, what I think I
am going to change my mind on everything after that. Well,
I got some clips for you and we'll see how
he handled himself. Because they like having him on because
he's easy to talk to, you know what I mean,
Like you good relationship with people, you bring him on, right,
like if he's willing to come and stay. He came
in studio. He didn't do this virtually. He was there.

(17:41):
So yesterday on the View, which I do not watch,
I have to catch up on clips and it's interesting
to hear clips. But the first clip I have here
is him, you know, speaking about Donald Trump, just doing
Donald Trump's stuff, and it starts with Whoopee Goldberg asking
him a question, did.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Anything you've been saying or do you anticipate that there's
going to be changes that we should be prepped for
that we were not thinking about.

Speaker 8 (18:07):
I mean, honestly, I haven't been surprised by anything now.
I mean, he's been doing essentially what he actually campaigned
on that he announced he is going to pardon the
Jay six individuals. He is going to absolutely go after
the border. So there's a lot of things that he's
already ran on, I mean, criticize a lot of it,
and I don't agree with everything either, but it's undeniable.

(18:29):
He actually ran on that and been really upfront. He's like,
I am your reputation and he's you know, kind of
making those moves. So that's kind of where we're at.
Early on, immediately after the election, I was like, hey,
you know, we have a choice. You know, we can
freak out and follow every other thing around, you know,
like a cat, you know, with a laser, you know,
after he won. But I'm not that guy. I'm not

(18:51):
going to be that Democrat.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
You know.

Speaker 8 (18:53):
For me, there's things I'm going to agree with, I'm
going to disagree with, but I'm in the business of
finding wins for Pennsylvany and for the nation and engaging
the president. I think I see that as doing my job.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
All right. So there's and applause by the way, from
the view people, you know, because he sounds reasonable there,
very reasonable. This is the kind of anti combativeness that
we're missing in general politics. So it's always very strange
when you hear a guy, especially a guy that was
this polarizing. Right, this is a huge polarizing figure in

(19:25):
that Oz versus Fetterman race, and now it just feels
like he's a guy that's kind of trying to bring
the temperature of the room down to a point where
everybody can be like, hey, this isn't like the end
of the world kind of thing, right. So the next one,
he's going to be challenged here by another one of
their hosts about him visiting Donald Trump at mar A Lago,
which again kind of strange for a Democrat to be doing.

(19:48):
But here is the question, the need for bipartisanship.

Speaker 9 (19:52):
I didn't love the optics of you going to ma
A Lago. He was going to which is his palace.
He was going to be in Washington a week later.
But what was your goal and do you feel ultimately
you were successful.

Speaker 8 (20:08):
Well, well, here's what happened. I was being lazy on
the couch like Friday night, and my team reached out saying, hey,
I don't know if this is like a patrolling or
a hoax, but they extended an invitation. You know, what
do you think, am I? Well, I mean, if they're
playing it straight, then I think I think it's pretty
reasonable to have a conversation, you know, inviting me to engage,

(20:32):
and I visited it, So maybe some people would be
critical of that. But you know, for me engaging the president,
I think when you're in this business, I mean, that's
that's part of the job anymore.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, and he goes on a little bit there, but
it's just like, it's it's crazy that we've gotten to
a point where, hey, you met with what we believed
to be the enemy. I don't like the optics. It's
kind of crazy. Has to thin himself there. But then
he's asked about what he ever change is party because
he's being awfully agreeable to the Republicans these days. Is

(21:07):
this guy, are you even really a Democrat? Are you
a Dino? A Democrat? Name only Dino, Dino, Dino Dino.
It looks like I don't know, I'm making it a
thing now. Dino doesn't roll like Rhino does because Dino's
a name like the purple guy from the Flintstones, Right,
That's what I was thinking. Yeah, but the but you

(21:27):
got your mascot so that helps, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I guess you know, I don't know Dino Rhino whatever.
But anyway, here he is trying to explain to this
question about whether or not he's turning into a Republican
before our very eyes.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
Now, there are those on the left who feel like
you have made a right word shift recently going to
mar A Lago, joining truth social your positions on issues
like immigration, fracking.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
What do you say to those who are.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
Now in a sense questioning your commitment to the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (21:58):
Well, first, I wanted to just say, I am so
sorry for what happened to that officer. I mean he's
had a heart attack. Has he almost almost died? I
mean I've had a stroke the same thing. I absolute
empathy and just appalled for what I witnessing what happened
on January sixth, And I absolutely were to reject pardoning
people that were involved on that and so so right

(22:21):
word that's just it's just happened not to be true.
I've been a record too saying I am not going
to become a Republican. You know, although maybe some people
might be happy on one side, but I would make
it pretty terrible Republican because you know, pro choice, pro
really strong immigration, pro LGBTQ, you know, just pretty like

(22:41):
I don't think i'd be a good fit. So I'm
not going to change my party. And if I am
going to do, I'm going to show up i'll be
I'll give you the exclusive I can announce. So so
I can't keep chasing down every last thing that's online
because there just happened not to be true, and just
look at my votes, look at the things that I

(23:02):
haven't changed in a way.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, well here's the thing. And obviously you can tell
that he's not the strongest communicator in terms of you know,
he's not the best orator, but he doesn't like do
you really need to be when you're a senator from Pennsylvania.
You're there to represent the working man, right or whatever.
That's what he was elected to do. Here's the bottom
line on Fetterman for me, and that answer right there.
It's crazy he has to defend being reasonable in a

(23:27):
Republican that helps out and talks to Democrats and wants
to send an olive branch and like actively work with
the other side. It's not them usurping or trying to
buck the hardcore conservative agenda. It is literally just trying
to do their job and having conversations and trying to
work with the people on the other side is how

(23:49):
we move forward and make things happen. Right, But it's
crazy that we'll just call people rhinos and dino's if
you will, just because they sometimes want to interact or
sometimes agree with something the other side is doing. How
did we get here? That's absolutely insane that we just
can't agree on anything. Otherwise you're a rhino or Adno.

(24:10):
It is four forty eight more on the way on
news radio eleven ten KFAB. Today is Data Privacy Day.
After all the shenanigan's going on with TikTok and then
yesterday everybody's saying Deep Seek not only is super duper smart,
but it also like tracks like everything like encryption in
your fingerprints and all this stuff that it has access
to if you like put that into the app. And

(24:30):
you know, it's just the exact same thing. Everybody said,
be fearful of TikTok, and now it's just an ai app. Okay,
nobody hears the alarm bells, but me, I don't know
when am I a dog? I can hear certain frequencies.
What's going on? I've just said, right, like, what's going

(24:52):
on here? I don't know? It was crazy? Yeah, you
know what, you know what we should do too? Why
don't we let why don't we let China control our
electric electrical grid too, so they can turn the lights
off whenever they want. How about that? Is that what happens?
I'm just saying, you know, like if it would be cheaper,
are you? Are you suggesting that the Chinese government is

(25:13):
going to be able to access our power through deep
seak in TikTok? I'm just saying that there is a
what are those movies with? Boy, I'm blanking on all
of it. I'm gonna sound terrible right now. It's not
Mel Gibson, it's the other guy. He's bald, he's going
through some medical stuff. What betterman. No, But there's a

(25:34):
movie and the whole the whole grid gets taken down basically,
and and and in this movie. And it's like, Oh,
that's what we're gonna that's what's gonna happen. Oh it's
Bruce what's his name, Bruce something anyway, Bruce Willis, Bruce Willis. Yeah,
what in the world? What real? Die Hard? There's a
die Hard movie? Yeah, Live Free or die Hard? I

(25:58):
got there, I got there. Oh that was painful, man,
dang yo, that was not great. Not great. We're gonna
have to rerac the deck on that one. Yeah, I
need to you know, I don't. I don't feel like
there's any point in getting to too upset about some

(26:21):
of this stuff. I think there's a there's a couple
of things that we as Americans, we get kind of
caught up in, and it's just not understanding what is
or is it important. We make things that are important
not important. We make things that are not important super important.
It's just the way that things tickle our fancy, you
know what I mean. So we'll talk about things that

(26:43):
Caroline Levitt in her first day as the Press Secretary
of the White House, what she thought was important. We'll
tell you about a next on news radio eleven ten
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