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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And immigration.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
We'll get to more immigration stories, because now there are
multiple stories about people who are like elderly and have
been living in the United States like their entire life
now being deported for one reason or another. And look,
if you can't find a way to understand that, maybe
this conversation needs to have a little bit of nuance
to it. And it's not just like super black and
white as to well, this is the rule or this
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should be the rule, or this is how I feel
about it. You know, I'm trying to find that nuance
for myself because rules are.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Rules, but.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
There are you know, forget it. We'll get to the
school thing in a second. Let me just get to
these immigration stories. While I saw on my mind, apparently
there was a woman in Maryland. She's been living for
over thirty years in the United States. She is a
business owner, but she has been recently deported back to Vietnam,
where she is originally from. Her name is Melissa Tran
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and Hagerstown, Maryland is where she's from. She owned an
nail salon. She's a mother of four kids. Moved to
the US from Vietnam in nineteen ninety three. She was
twelve years old. When she moved here. However, in two
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thousand and one, she pleaded guilty to stealing money from
her employer, but she paid restitution, did serve jail time,
and instead when she played guilty or whatever, that she
had an abuse of boyfriend that pressure her to do that.
I don't know if I believe that, but you know,
this is twenty five years ago now, almost so, Tran
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learned that Vietnam agreed to issue her passport at an
ICE check in last week in May, she was arrested
by ICE and held at attention for five months basically
before a judge ended up stepping in and ordering her
release because Vietnam hadn't issued the travel documents until this
past week. So she was taken to a detention center
and was deported earlier this week to Vietnam. She apparently
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has some distance distant relatives in Vietnam, but they have
no idea exactly where she'll live, and they're trying to
raise money. Her friends are trying to raise money for
her to get a lawyer and have the opportunity to
maybe you know, fight her cause or her case and
to come back. There's another story that came out here.
This was a person born to Polish parents in a
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post World War Two German refugee camp. His name is
Paul John Boyerski. I believe is I think how I'd
say that last name. The family immigrated to the United
States legally in nineteen fifty two. He was an optician,
an eye doctor. He moved to Florida in the nineteen eighties,
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married his wife, had a great career. He's since retired.
It's been here, I mean, think about it. Immigrated here
in nineteen fifty two, but apparently he has also been deported.
Deportation order dates back to the sixties. He apparently got
in trouble with the law a few times back in
the nineteen sixties when he would have been much younger.
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But is it old, Yeah, I mean is a pretty
pretty elderly man. He has officially been taken to custody
and brought to Alligator Alcatraz in Florida. On October thirtieth,
he was moved to According to his lawyer, he was
moved to a federal detention at facility in South Florida,
and one night he fell out of his wheelchair while
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he was sleeping. So he was sleeping in his wheelchair
or something, but because the facility was locked out, no
one could get in to help him, according to his lawyer.
Now the lawyer he's doing all the speaking, he's trying
to create some hubbubs of his client here can maybe
get the proper attention and maybe somebody who can help
can do something about this. But said that he's making
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the argument there's no validation deportation order, but they're trying
to figure out through his marriage to a US citizen,
whether or not he actually should be deported at all
in the first place. Now, again, this was a younger
person who was on a family who allegedly legally immigrated
here in nineteen fifty two, And yes, he may have
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had run ins with the law fifty plus years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
He was an eye doctor and has retired.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
He's had a big, long career and now in this
elderly age, he's he was born in a German refugee
camp post World War Two, and he's got a deportation order. Well,
if you're an eye doctor, you need first of all,
you need to be certified, you need to have licenses,
and you have to re update those things.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
How does it go so long?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You know what I'm saying, but this is the nuance
I'm talking about about this conversation. And I know that
it's controversial, and I know maybe like the most hardcore
conservative right wing people may disagree with me on this,
but if we don't have some nuance to this, like
we're deporting people and in forcing something to people who
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have been living their life if they have them been
actively breaking the law right and these are not people
working at public school districts and didn't lie on the
resume and things like that.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
These are people who have you know, and I have.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
A hard time thinking a twelve year old from Vietnam
and a seven year old from you know, six or
a seven year old from Poland really knew what their
legal status was when their families moved to the United States. Okay,
so I apologize if you know you think, well they
knew they broke the law, I'm not so sure.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I think that if we just are like, oh, well,
this person is illegally here, or they don't have the
proper paperwork, or there's no green card, or they aren't
even a naturalized citizen, I mean the process to then
get them to leave, to deport them, and then the
amount of time and the amount of documents and paperwork
to come back and basically restart your life that you'd
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built there. Because these are actually people who seemingly were
doing good things in their community, even if they did
have some sketchy stuff that happened in their past. It
makes you wonder, what are we really accomplishing by doing
it this way, you know, And this is it to
say we shouldn't be enforcing our immigration and customs stuff.
That's the whole point of what we've been doing. But
remember when Donald Trump took office, he said that ICE
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was going to be looking for the worst of the worst.
We are going to get criminals off the street, and
those are the people that we're going to be doing
everything we can to detain and deport. We're arresting like
an eighty year old man who's his family apparently legally
moved here in the United States, but for some reason,
he is being deported back to Poland, or at least
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that's what they're saying. He's eighty years old, he's retired
eye doctor from Florida who's been married for a like
forty years, soon American citizen. That's the worst of the
worst because he got arrested a couple times in the sixties,
or a woman who moved when she was twelve from Vietnam.
If she's like paying or time axes and everything, like
we're deporting her, and she's got a family of she's
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got four kids, she's had here in the United States.
She's actually like owning and running a business in the
United States. And your reasoning is in two thousand and one,
she got in trouble for for shoplifting. Twenty four twenty
five years later, you're like, all of a sudden, we're
now going to enforce this on this woman who's like created,
like had a family and has been like being has
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been a part of the community. I'm not saying I
know every last detail of every single one of these people,
but if we're talking about worst of the worst, we're
sending an eight year old man who was born in
a post World War two like refugee camp and moved
when he was less than ten years old to the
United States when his family apparently legally immigrated here. And
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that's the guy we're taking and sending to Alligator Alcatraz.
Can we can we just like ask a few questions
about like the way we're doing this because I'm totally
all in on the worst of the worst thing and
cleaning up Chicago and all that stuff, But these are
stories I just can't ignore. My point is basically like,
there's a woman who was Vietnamese who's lived here since
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she was twelve. Her family moved here when she was
twelve in the nineties, and she got into trouble when
she was twenty, pled guilty to stealing money from her
employer at the time as a twenty year old. She
paid restitution, served jail time. According to the American government,
she served her time for that, and she's been out.
She's a mother of four, a business owner, and then
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has been deported to Vietnam. Now I know that the
rules are now being greatly enforced, but this is hardly
the We're getting the criminals and gang members and stuff
off the streets.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Another story.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Guy born to Polish parents in a German refugee camp
after World War Two, a terrible time to grow up
in Europe. His family apparently legally immigrated to the United
States in nineteen fifty two when he was like six
years old, five or six years old. He moved to
Florida in the early nineteen eighties. He's a retired Tish
and he became an eye doctor. He's been in Florida
for a long time. He's married his American wife and
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they've been married for like forty plus years, and he's
now almost eighty years old. He's been detained and for
you know, he's been the government says he's an illegal
immigrant after he's been here since nineteen fifty two, Ladies
and gentlemen, and he was brought to Alligator Alcatraz in Florida.
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So that's the last few weeks. That's what he's been
trying to deal with his grandfather. I just think that
there's nuance here, and I know that this is maybe
not a super popular thing among conservative circles to say,
maybe we need to have a deeper conversation about this
instead of one size fits all. We've just talked about
this week. What are the best uses of our law
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enforcement we've been talking about, you know, do we really
need to be giving citations and fines to people parked
on their yards? Do we need to give you know,
citations to and removing people who are panhandling on you know,
highway exit ramps? Are these the best uses of our
law enforcement. Well, I think the same could apply for
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the seven million illegal immigrants have come in the last
three years and Donald Trump saying that we need to
remove the worst of the worst. There's plenty of those
people around, but now we're hearing stories of eighty year
old men who have been in the country since the
fifties now being told that they need to get out
of the country. It's just worth the conversation, that's all
I'm saying. Four h two, five, five, eight to eleven ten
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is the number I'm willing to talk to anybody about
this today. Lisa is on our phone line. Lisa, welcome
to the show. It's on your mind, okay.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
So I would like to make a couple points.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
The first one is the reason I believe we're having these.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
The immigrants picked up, the way that they're being picked.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Up is because we put a bunch of people in
office that are incompetent, and so because Biden actually depoured
more people at a higher rate than Trump is right
now in his administration. But those were actually criminals and
people that we we all want off the street, Democrat
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or Republican. The problem is is when you don't have
an administration that puts a plan together and puts rules
and regulations and and and safeguards around, so stuff like
the examples that you're showing, uh happened. Instead, you hire
people who are you know, quickly, you try to you
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try to get a force built up really really really quick.
You take people who aren't really qualified. We've got reports
out that a lot of these people have assaults in
their background and criminal backgrounds that are working as ice agents.
You tell them you have immunity, you can go out
and do whatever you want. And most of them are
coming from the right, and we know that we that
the right has a real problem with Nazi and and
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some racial tendencies to it. So who would not who
would who would not see the powder keg ready to happen?
And when people say, and you know, it's like we've
kind of made a deal with immigrants starting like fifty
years ago. If you come here, you work hard, you
keep your head down, you don't get in serious you know, trouble,
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and you and you and you pay your taxes and
you walk a straight line.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Yep, yep, We're not going to bother you.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So these people have.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Gotten house, you know, apartments and they've got coudules and
built flights here with TVs and then one day we
rip the chord and.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Change the rules.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, Lisa, I appreciate everything you're saying. Really do appreciate
you calling in today. It's a really good point. Thank
you for being a part of the show. I want
to get away from the whole like, oh, well, I
see Nazis and that's that's not the point here. And
I respect her opinion. I respect everyone's opinion who's willing
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to talk to me about this. I do want to
say that the rules are the rules, and I don't
agree with that. What I also think, though, is the
rules have not been enforced the same way across every
single administration. And if we're thinking about deporting eighty year
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old men who have been in the United States since
the nineteen fifties and citing well in the sixties, he
got into trouble with the law a couple of times,
no matter anything else that he's done or built, or
if he's paid his taxes or done anything else illegal.
Like she said, if they're paying taxes, I'm not sure
it's a good idea to tell people, well, yeah, just
come into the United States and put your head down
and you know, pay your taxes and everything's going to
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be okay. No, there are ways that you should be
going about doing this. But for people who have done
that and have been here for decades, and their biggest
flaw or their biggest sin is the fact that they
haven't been told by enough people to this point that
maybe they do have a status issue on their immigration
and we don't have a safeguard to kind of help
them achieve whatever paperwork they need, or like another way
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for them to achieve some level of citizenship or league
satus in the United States, because apparently we don't have
a streamlined version of wife to do that for people
who have been at least legitimate contributors to their communities. Well,
if that's the way that we're going to talk about this,
then I think we need an adjustment here because we
shouldn't be deporting I'm sorry, I'm just gonna go ahead
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and put my feet in the stand here. I don't
understand how deporting an eighty year old grandfather who's been
in the United States since nineteen fifty two. I have
no idea how that's achieving any goals of the Trump administration,
especially if he's a retired optician, he's been married to
an American for forty plus years and hasn't done anything
other than just try to be a solid member of
his community for the better part of the last seventy years.
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And that makes a lot of sense to me. But
I'm sorry if I disagree with you on that. Adam's
on the phone line four two, five, five, eight to
eleven ten. Welcome to the show, Adam. What's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Hey, thanks for taking my call. So well? Was it
last year the meatpacking plant had eighty taken eighty.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Immigrants from there June of this year. Yeah, and they.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Used e verify to verify those illeginal immigrants, so they
had stolen social Security numbers. And what happened within a
week they had those eighty positions filled. Do you think
they used e verify to verify those new eighty people again?
I bet they did. Now. That also brings me to
Schrodinger's immigrants. The immigrant who comes here is a lazy,
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shiftless freeloader that's bringing drugs and as a murdering raper,
but also at the same time is stealing your job,
coming to your place of work. And he doesn't speak
the language, he has no contacts, no social Security number,
but he stole your job. So which one is it?
What are they doing? Are they are they drug dealing,
lazy freeloaders or are they hardworking you know, taking your job?
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It just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, well, I guess Adam, those are your example. I
think you know, we could absolutely clean up, especially when
you have eighty people that they found there in that
meat packing plant. And there's a lot of stories like
that of identity theft. That is clearly a problem that
we need to resolve, like resolve quickly. If for any
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given and you mentioned the e verified, did they take
everify and just reverify the eighty positions they all of
a sudden had they? Maybe they did, and maybe they
don't care, And maybe we need to have stronger rules
against the companies that are hiring people that way.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Oh yeah, I don't have uh, you know, I don't
have a lot of money to bet anymore since OPPD
raised prices, but I will bet yeah they did use
Everify Again, I would guarantee they used Everify. Now, why
are these immigrants coming here? Because they're chasing the American dream?
Because they don't want to get there, and their countries
are getting chased by machetes and they're sleeping on the
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ground with roaches. So they're coming here for a better life. Yeah,
and we're not penalizing the people who hire them. Instead,
we're penalizing the course of the poor. We're trying to
get blood from a stone.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It's a good point. I can't I can't disagree with
the point. I think you're right. The crux of the
problem is in a different place than where we're putting it,
I think. Adam good, good call today, Thanks for listening
to our show.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Thanks them.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Lynn is on the phone line for two five, five,
eight eleven ten. Lynn, thanks for calling into the show today.
What's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Thank you for.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Taking my call. My question is why weren't these two people,
the Vietnamese lady and eighty year old man, why weren't
they citizens? They lived here long enough to apply for citizenship. Now,
the Vietnamese lady, she had trouble in her twenties with
the law. But once she's out of jail, doesn't that
mean she's paid for it and she could still apply
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for citizenship theoretically? Sure about that?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I don't know how the citizenship thing works, but if
you wanted to be a citizen, the paperwork would be
right there, and it should be something that people who
are living here permanently would be looking to do. After
a while, you would think, Lynn, I don't I don't
have a good answer for all they have. I don't
know if I have a good answer why they didn't
do that.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Well, in the eighty year old man, he didn't sound
like he was in trouble with the law. Why didn't
he apply for citizenships so he could vote and be
an active citizen?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I mean if he didn't do that, I don't know
if that's why they felt that, well, you didn't want
to be a citizen and you know, go back to.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Poland maybe, But it's interesting he hadn't been in Poland
since he was six years old, you know. It's just
it's very interesting how and his family legally immigrated. But
I guess maybe the paperwork just over time is just
run its course. It's a good point, Lynn, thanks for
being on the show today. Let's go to Jerry on
the phone line for two five, five, eight eleven ten. Jerry,
welcome to the show. Yep, what's going on?
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Well, Mike, I guess I'm wondering how the gentleman from Poland,
being over here since nineteen fifties didn't become a citizen
when Reagan and you know, back when he was president.
I think that naturalized everybody that was in the country
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at that time.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, I mean, that'd be a good it's a good point.
I mean, as far as we know, he was an
optician at that time in Florida when that would have
been happening.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I couldn't really tell you there, Jerry, what exactly happened
there and why he wasn't a citizen and how he
would be eligible at all for deportation. You would think
people would have maybe had like multiple warnings that were
not getting told in these stories, like they, you know,
gave him a bunch of paper. He said, Hey, you're
not fully caught up on paperwork. Even though you're eighty
years old and our retired optician and I've been married
to an American for forty years, you still have to
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do the paperwork. And it's just now that they're like, fine,
if you're not going to do the paperwork, we're going
to take it at Alligator alcatraz. I don't care if
you're in a wheelchair. I have no idea how that
got to that point.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Yeah, one more point. You know, I think a lot
of it is our problem that we weren't enforcing the
laws and allowing people to you know, we were just saying, okay,
it's okay if you're here illegally fault that we weren't
enforcing him, and now this is what we've got. Thanks
for taking that call.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, Jerry, do appreciate you for being on the show today.
And that's a good point too. If we had just
been doing a better overall job, I think, a better
overall job of just enforcing the law the entire way,
I think everybody would have known what they were supposed
to do instead of this can getting kicked until somebody
finally decided, hey, we're going to enforce this now, and
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it doesn't matter if you're a bad person or not.
We are going to enforce immigration rules in this country.
And then people who thought that they were fine because
they've been told they were fine for twenty five, thirty
sixty years, now all of a sudden they're in trouble
in hot water. I don't know how we got there,
but something to keep in mind. Martha's on the phone
line of four h two five five, eight eleven ten. Martha,
thank you for calling in. What's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (20:48):
Hi?
Speaker 9 (20:48):
As a legal immigrant myself, I was brought into the
United States when I was the age of four years old.
I am now fifty two years old, so it's been
a long long time and this is all I know.
All I know is the United States, and I know
there's a lot of questions that people are asking themselves
about why we're not US citizens. I'm personally a US
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citizen myself, but I did this because I wanted to
do other stuff with my with my life. I wanted
to go join the army and stuff like that, live
the American dream. But there's a lot of things that
happen to people that.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Keep them from becoming a US citizen.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
A lot of the times, there's testing that needs to
be done in order for you to become a US citizen.
And a lot of these people are older and they
can now learn this. And it's not like getting a
driver's license, where okay, we'll read it out to you
and we will explain it to you. We don't get
that option. You need to take it when you've pass
it or you don't.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, it's a good point, Martha. Just real quick, I
only have thirty seconds here. But how old were you
when you figured out what your own legal status was
in the country.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
I was probably high school. I was in high school,
and now I was seventeen years old. And the reason
that I decided to become a US citizen at the
age of eighteen was because I wanted to get a
higher ranking when I joined the army.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Well, Martha, thank you so much for sharing your story.
Thank you for your service to our country, and we
really appreciate you for listening to our show and calling
in today.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
Thank you, appreciate you, and I'll love your radio station.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Welcome in, Kathy. What's on your mind about this?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Hi?
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Yes, I really appreciated what Martha had said earlier, and
I'm glad for her service as well. Went to thank
her for that, but I also went to say, my
husband went through this process. We lived here for five years.
He applied for citizenship, He followed all over the rules,
he took the test, He studied for the test. Studying
for the test made him want to be a citizen
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even more. It wasn't too difficult. There were simple questions.
He only answered six correctly and they said you passed.
It was not the complex process that they made it
out to be, but it was very timely and cost
a lot of money. We paid about eight thousand dollars
through all the different processes to get him to be
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a citizen legally.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Wow, that's a pretty hefty number.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
So how long had he been in the United States
before he decided he wanted to become a citizen.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
He applied for everything before he came over. He had
been to the US a couple times to visit, he
got a green card, He lived here for about five
years before he applied for permanent citizenship.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
And then how long did it take as far as
the process from when he started that paperwork to actually
becoming a citizen about two years? Interesting and eight thousand dollars,
So very interesting. Kathy, Well, I'm glad that you shared
that story with us today because I think that's one
thing in this conversation. A lot of us don't know
what it's like to have to do the paperwork or
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to do the preparation and how possible in or impossible
depending on who you are, it is, and I'm glad
that we got that from you today. Kathy really appreciate
you calling in.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Thank you, thanks for your great radio station.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, thank you for listening to our show today. If
Barbara on the phone line four two, five, five, eight
eleven ten, welcome in, Barbara. What do you say about this?
Speaker 8 (24:15):
I just I mean, my relatives came here, they went
through the process of getting you know, citizenship. I guess
I'm second generation here or third on the other side,
So I just figure everybody should be doing that. I
don't know what everybody's situation is but or what my
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grandparents were, but I just feel like they everyone should
go through it. Legally, it's illegal in this country to
you know, be here without right you know.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, what would you say, Barbara?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I guess if you know the Vietnamese woman who moved
here when she was twelve, I'm not sure if she
understood what her legal staf as was, and I'm sure
maybe somebody is she would have been notified on multiple
occasions maybe of her status. You would think, but do
you have any different feelings for somebody who's been here
for you know, thirty plus years and seemingly is trying
to you know, make a run of it.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
At the American Dream.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Just not necessarily knowing what their status is before they're deported.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Well, somebody should let them know. I mean, I mean,
shouldn't they know when they're enrolled in school. That's what
doesn't make sense to me. I mean, they should know
if someone's legal citizen or not when they've been rolled
in school. I think that should be a prerequisite that
would probably help to find out who is and who
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isn't and let them know themselves if they are not.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, I mean it's a good point.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I again didn't have to worry about that myself, but
I went to school with a lot of Hispanic kids who,
you know, their parents had come to my hometown to
work in the meatpacking plant.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That packing plant.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
As you can imagine, ICE is done a number on
that meat packing plant since the enforcement started this year. So,
I mean, it's a very interesting conversation. Barbara, appreciate the
call today, Thanks for listening to us.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
Thank you. Bye.
And immigration.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
We'll get to more immigration stories, because now there are
multiple stories about people who are like elderly and have
been living in the United States like their entire life
now being deported for one reason or another. And look,
if you can't find a way to understand that, maybe
this conversation needs to have a little bit of nuance
to it. And it's not just like super black and
white as to well, this is the rule or this
(00:22):
should be the rule, or this is how I feel
about it. You know, I'm trying to find that nuance
for myself because rules are.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Rules, but.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
There are you know, forget it. We'll get to the
school thing in a second. Let me just get to
these immigration stories. While I saw on my mind, apparently
there was a woman in Maryland. She's been living for
over thirty years in the United States. She is a
business owner, but she has been recently deported back to Vietnam,
where she is originally from. Her name is Melissa Tran
(00:54):
and Hagerstown, Maryland is where she's from. She owned an
nail salon. She's a mother of four kids. Moved to
the US from Vietnam in nineteen ninety three. She was
twelve years old. When she moved here. However, in two
(01:15):
thousand and one, she pleaded guilty to stealing money from
her employer, but she paid restitution, did serve jail time,
and instead when she played guilty or whatever, that she
had an abuse of boyfriend that pressure her to do that.
I don't know if I believe that, but you know,
this is twenty five years ago now, almost so, Tran
(01:37):
learned that Vietnam agreed to issue her passport at an
ICE check in last week in May, she was arrested
by ICE and held at attention for five months basically
before a judge ended up stepping in and ordering her
release because Vietnam hadn't issued the travel documents until this
past week. So she was taken to a detention center
and was deported earlier this week to Vietnam. She apparently
(02:01):
has some distance distant relatives in Vietnam, but they have
no idea exactly where she'll live, and they're trying to
raise money. Her friends are trying to raise money for
her to get a lawyer and have the opportunity to
maybe you know, fight her cause or her case and
to come back. There's another story that came out here.
This was a person born to Polish parents in a
(02:22):
post World War Two German refugee camp. His name is
Paul John Boyerski. I believe is I think how I'd
say that last name. The family immigrated to the United
States legally in nineteen fifty two. He was an optician,
an eye doctor. He moved to Florida in the nineteen eighties,
(02:46):
married his wife, had a great career. He's since retired.
It's been here, I mean, think about it. Immigrated here
in nineteen fifty two, but apparently he has also been deported.
Deportation order dates back to the sixties. He apparently got
in trouble with the law a few times back in
the nineteen sixties when he would have been much younger.
(03:09):
But is it old, Yeah, I mean is a pretty
pretty elderly man. He has officially been taken to custody
and brought to Alligator Alcatraz in Florida. On October thirtieth,
he was moved to According to his lawyer, he was
moved to a federal detention at facility in South Florida,
and one night he fell out of his wheelchair while
(03:31):
he was sleeping. So he was sleeping in his wheelchair
or something, but because the facility was locked out, no
one could get in to help him, according to his lawyer.
Now the lawyer he's doing all the speaking, he's trying
to create some hubbubs of his client here can maybe
get the proper attention and maybe somebody who can help
can do something about this. But said that he's making
(03:54):
the argument there's no validation deportation order, but they're trying
to figure out through his marriage to a US citizen,
whether or not he actually should be deported at all
in the first place. Now, again, this was a younger
person who was on a family who allegedly legally immigrated
here in nineteen fifty two, And yes, he may have
(04:14):
had run ins with the law fifty plus years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
He was an eye doctor and has retired.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
He's had a big, long career and now in this
elderly age, he's he was born in a German refugee
camp post World War Two, and he's got a deportation order. Well,
if you're an eye doctor, you need first of all,
you need to be certified, you need to have licenses,
and you have to re update those things.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
How does it go so long?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You know what I'm saying, but this is the nuance
I'm talking about about this conversation. And I know that
it's controversial, and I know maybe like the most hardcore
conservative right wing people may disagree with me on this,
but if we don't have some nuance to this, like
we're deporting people and in forcing something to people who
(05:02):
have been living their life if they have them been
actively breaking the law right and these are not people
working at public school districts and didn't lie on the
resume and things like that.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
These are people who have you know, and I have.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
A hard time thinking a twelve year old from Vietnam
and a seven year old from you know, six or
a seven year old from Poland really knew what their
legal status was when their families moved to the United States. Okay,
so I apologize if you know you think, well they
knew they broke the law, I'm not so sure.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I think that if we just are like, oh, well,
this person is illegally here, or they don't have the
proper paperwork, or there's no green card, or they aren't
even a naturalized citizen, I mean the process to then
get them to leave, to deport them, and then the
amount of time and the amount of documents and paperwork
to come back and basically restart your life that you'd
(05:58):
built there. Because these are actually people who seemingly were
doing good things in their community, even if they did
have some sketchy stuff that happened in their past. It
makes you wonder, what are we really accomplishing by doing
it this way, you know, And this is it to
say we shouldn't be enforcing our immigration and customs stuff.
That's the whole point of what we've been doing. But
remember when Donald Trump took office, he said that ICE
(06:20):
was going to be looking for the worst of the worst.
We are going to get criminals off the street, and
those are the people that we're going to be doing
everything we can to detain and deport. We're arresting like
an eighty year old man who's his family apparently legally
moved here in the United States, but for some reason,
he is being deported back to Poland, or at least
(06:42):
that's what they're saying. He's eighty years old, he's retired
eye doctor from Florida who's been married for a like
forty years, soon American citizen. That's the worst of the
worst because he got arrested a couple times in the sixties,
or a woman who moved when she was twelve from Vietnam.
If she's like paying or time axes and everything, like
we're deporting her, and she's got a family of she's
(07:04):
got four kids, she's had here in the United States.
She's actually like owning and running a business in the
United States. And your reasoning is in two thousand and one,
she got in trouble for for shoplifting. Twenty four twenty
five years later, you're like, all of a sudden, we're
now going to enforce this on this woman who's like created,
like had a family and has been like being has
(07:25):
been a part of the community. I'm not saying I
know every last detail of every single one of these people,
but if we're talking about worst of the worst, we're
sending an eight year old man who was born in
a post World War two like refugee camp and moved
when he was less than ten years old to the
United States when his family apparently legally immigrated here. And
(07:45):
that's the guy we're taking and sending to Alligator Alcatraz.
Can we can we just like ask a few questions
about like the way we're doing this because I'm totally
all in on the worst of the worst thing and
cleaning up Chicago and all that stuff, But these are
stories I just can't ignore. My point is basically like,
there's a woman who was Vietnamese who's lived here since
(08:08):
she was twelve. Her family moved here when she was
twelve in the nineties, and she got into trouble when
she was twenty, pled guilty to stealing money from her
employer at the time as a twenty year old. She
paid restitution, served jail time. According to the American government,
she served her time for that, and she's been out.
She's a mother of four, a business owner, and then
(08:30):
has been deported to Vietnam. Now I know that the
rules are now being greatly enforced, but this is hardly
the We're getting the criminals and gang members and stuff
off the streets.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Another story.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Guy born to Polish parents in a German refugee camp
after World War Two, a terrible time to grow up
in Europe. His family apparently legally immigrated to the United
States in nineteen fifty two when he was like six
years old, five or six years old. He moved to
Florida in the early nineteen eighties. He's a retired Tish
and he became an eye doctor. He's been in Florida
for a long time. He's married his American wife and
(09:04):
they've been married for like forty plus years, and he's
now almost eighty years old. He's been detained and for
you know, he's been the government says he's an illegal
immigrant after he's been here since nineteen fifty two, Ladies
and gentlemen, and he was brought to Alligator Alcatraz in Florida.
(09:25):
So that's the last few weeks. That's what he's been
trying to deal with his grandfather. I just think that
there's nuance here, and I know that this is maybe
not a super popular thing among conservative circles to say,
maybe we need to have a deeper conversation about this
instead of one size fits all. We've just talked about
this week. What are the best uses of our law
(09:46):
enforcement we've been talking about, you know, do we really
need to be giving citations and fines to people parked
on their yards? Do we need to give you know,
citations to and removing people who are panhandling on you know,
highway exit ramps? Are these the best uses of our
law enforcement. Well, I think the same could apply for
(10:07):
the seven million illegal immigrants have come in the last
three years and Donald Trump saying that we need to
remove the worst of the worst. There's plenty of those
people around, but now we're hearing stories of eighty year
old men who have been in the country since the
fifties now being told that they need to get out
of the country. It's just worth the conversation, that's all
I'm saying. Four h two, five, five, eight to eleven ten
(10:28):
is the number I'm willing to talk to anybody about
this today. Lisa is on our phone line. Lisa, welcome
to the show. It's on your mind, okay.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
So I would like to make a couple points.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
The first one is the reason I believe we're having these.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
The immigrants picked up, the way that they're being picked.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Up is because we put a bunch of people in
office that are incompetent, and so because Biden actually depoured
more people at a higher rate than Trump is right
now in his administration. But those were actually criminals and
people that we we all want off the street, Democrat
(11:08):
or Republican. The problem is is when you don't have
an administration that puts a plan together and puts rules
and regulations and and and safeguards around, so stuff like
the examples that you're showing, uh happened. Instead, you hire
people who are you know, quickly, you try to you
(11:30):
try to get a force built up really really really quick.
You take people who aren't really qualified. We've got reports
out that a lot of these people have assaults in
their background and criminal backgrounds that are working as ice agents.
You tell them you have immunity, you can go out
and do whatever you want. And most of them are
coming from the right, and we know that we that
the right has a real problem with Nazi and and
(11:52):
some racial tendencies to it. So who would not who
would who would not see the powder keg ready to happen?
And when people say, and you know, it's like we've
kind of made a deal with immigrants starting like fifty
years ago. If you come here, you work hard, you
keep your head down, you don't get in serious you know, trouble,
(12:13):
and you and you and you pay your taxes and
you walk a straight line.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Yep, yep, We're not going to bother you.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So these people have.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Gotten house, you know, apartments and they've got coudules and
built flights here with TVs and then one day we
rip the chord and.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Change the rules.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, Lisa, I appreciate everything you're saying. Really do appreciate
you calling in today. It's a really good point. Thank
you for being a part of the show. I want
to get away from the whole like, oh, well, I
see Nazis and that's that's not the point here. And
I respect her opinion. I respect everyone's opinion who's willing
(12:50):
to talk to me about this. I do want to
say that the rules are the rules, and I don't
agree with that. What I also think, though, is the
rules have not been enforced the same way across every
single administration. And if we're thinking about deporting eighty year
(13:14):
old men who have been in the United States since
the nineteen fifties and citing well in the sixties, he
got into trouble with the law a couple of times,
no matter anything else that he's done or built, or
if he's paid his taxes or done anything else illegal.
Like she said, if they're paying taxes, I'm not sure
it's a good idea to tell people, well, yeah, just
come into the United States and put your head down
and you know, pay your taxes and everything's going to
(13:35):
be okay. No, there are ways that you should be
going about doing this. But for people who have done
that and have been here for decades, and their biggest
flaw or their biggest sin is the fact that they
haven't been told by enough people to this point that
maybe they do have a status issue on their immigration
and we don't have a safeguard to kind of help
them achieve whatever paperwork they need, or like another way
(13:57):
for them to achieve some level of citizenship or league
satus in the United States, because apparently we don't have
a streamlined version of wife to do that for people
who have been at least legitimate contributors to their communities. Well,
if that's the way that we're going to talk about this,
then I think we need an adjustment here because we
shouldn't be deporting I'm sorry, I'm just gonna go ahead
(14:19):
and put my feet in the stand here. I don't
understand how deporting an eighty year old grandfather who's been
in the United States since nineteen fifty two. I have
no idea how that's achieving any goals of the Trump administration,
especially if he's a retired optician, he's been married to
an American for forty plus years and hasn't done anything
other than just try to be a solid member of
his community for the better part of the last seventy years.
(14:40):
And that makes a lot of sense to me. But
I'm sorry if I disagree with you on that. Adam's
on the phone line four two, five, five, eight to
eleven ten. Welcome to the show, Adam. What's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Hey, thanks for taking my call. So well? Was it
last year the meatpacking plant had eighty taken eighty.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Immigrants from there June of this year. Yeah, and they.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Used e verify to verify those illeginal immigrants, so they
had stolen social Security numbers. And what happened within a
week they had those eighty positions filled. Do you think
they used e verify to verify those new eighty people again?
I bet they did. Now. That also brings me to
Schrodinger's immigrants. The immigrant who comes here is a lazy,
(15:28):
shiftless freeloader that's bringing drugs and as a murdering raper,
but also at the same time is stealing your job,
coming to your place of work. And he doesn't speak
the language, he has no contacts, no social Security number,
but he stole your job. So which one is it?
What are they doing? Are they are they drug dealing,
lazy freeloaders or are they hardworking you know, taking your job?
(15:50):
It just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, well, I guess Adam, those are your example. I
think you know, we could absolutely clean up, especially when
you have eighty people that they found there in that
meat packing plant. And there's a lot of stories like
that of identity theft. That is clearly a problem that
we need to resolve, like resolve quickly. If for any
(16:13):
given and you mentioned the e verified, did they take
everify and just reverify the eighty positions they all of
a sudden had they? Maybe they did, and maybe they
don't care, And maybe we need to have stronger rules
against the companies that are hiring people that way.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Oh yeah, I don't have uh, you know, I don't
have a lot of money to bet anymore since OPPD
raised prices, but I will bet yeah they did use
Everify Again, I would guarantee they used Everify. Now, why
are these immigrants coming here? Because they're chasing the American dream?
Because they don't want to get there, and their countries
are getting chased by machetes and they're sleeping on the
(16:49):
ground with roaches. So they're coming here for a better life. Yeah,
and we're not penalizing the people who hire them. Instead,
we're penalizing the course of the poor. We're trying to
get blood from a stone.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It's a good point. I can't I can't disagree with
the point. I think you're right. The crux of the
problem is in a different place than where we're putting it,
I think. Adam good, good call today, Thanks for listening
to our show.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Thanks them.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Lynn is on the phone line for two five, five,
eight eleven ten. Lynn, thanks for calling into the show today.
What's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Thank you for.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Taking my call. My question is why weren't these two people,
the Vietnamese lady and eighty year old man, why weren't
they citizens? They lived here long enough to apply for citizenship. Now,
the Vietnamese lady, she had trouble in her twenties with
the law. But once she's out of jail, doesn't that
mean she's paid for it and she could still apply
(17:40):
for citizenship theoretically? Sure about that?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I don't know how the citizenship thing works, but if
you wanted to be a citizen, the paperwork would be
right there, and it should be something that people who
are living here permanently would be looking to do. After
a while, you would think, Lynn, I don't I don't
have a good answer for all they have. I don't
know if I have a good answer why they didn't
do that.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Well, in the eighty year old man, he didn't sound
like he was in trouble with the law. Why didn't
he apply for citizenships so he could vote and be
an active citizen?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I mean if he didn't do that, I don't know
if that's why they felt that, well, you didn't want
to be a citizen and you know, go back to.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Poland maybe, But it's interesting he hadn't been in Poland
since he was six years old, you know. It's just
it's very interesting how and his family legally immigrated. But
I guess maybe the paperwork just over time is just
run its course. It's a good point, Lynn, thanks for
being on the show today. Let's go to Jerry on
the phone line for two five, five, eight eleven ten. Jerry,
welcome to the show. Yep, what's going on?
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Well, Mike, I guess I'm wondering how the gentleman from Poland,
being over here since nineteen fifties didn't become a citizen
when Reagan and you know, back when he was president.
I think that naturalized everybody that was in the country
(19:04):
at that time.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, I mean, that'd be a good it's a good point.
I mean, as far as we know, he was an
optician at that time in Florida when that would have
been happening.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I couldn't really tell you there, Jerry, what exactly happened
there and why he wasn't a citizen and how he
would be eligible at all for deportation. You would think
people would have maybe had like multiple warnings that were
not getting told in these stories, like they, you know,
gave him a bunch of paper. He said, Hey, you're
not fully caught up on paperwork. Even though you're eighty
years old and our retired optician and I've been married
to an American for forty years, you still have to
(19:38):
do the paperwork. And it's just now that they're like, fine,
if you're not going to do the paperwork, we're going
to take it at Alligator alcatraz. I don't care if
you're in a wheelchair. I have no idea how that
got to that point.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Yeah, one more point. You know, I think a lot
of it is our problem that we weren't enforcing the
laws and allowing people to you know, we were just saying, okay,
it's okay if you're here illegally fault that we weren't
enforcing him, and now this is what we've got. Thanks
for taking that call.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, Jerry, do appreciate you for being on the show today.
And that's a good point too. If we had just
been doing a better overall job, I think, a better
overall job of just enforcing the law the entire way,
I think everybody would have known what they were supposed
to do instead of this can getting kicked until somebody
finally decided, hey, we're going to enforce this now, and
(20:25):
it doesn't matter if you're a bad person or not.
We are going to enforce immigration rules in this country.
And then people who thought that they were fine because
they've been told they were fine for twenty five, thirty
sixty years, now all of a sudden they're in trouble
in hot water. I don't know how we got there,
but something to keep in mind. Martha's on the phone
line of four h two five five, eight eleven ten. Martha,
thank you for calling in. What's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (20:48):
Hi?
Speaker 9 (20:48):
As a legal immigrant myself, I was brought into the
United States when I was the age of four years old.
I am now fifty two years old, so it's been
a long long time and this is all I know.
All I know is the United States, and I know
there's a lot of questions that people are asking themselves
about why we're not US citizens. I'm personally a US
(21:11):
citizen myself, but I did this because I wanted to
do other stuff with my with my life. I wanted
to go join the army and stuff like that, live
the American dream. But there's a lot of things that
happen to people that.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Keep them from becoming a US citizen.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
A lot of the times, there's testing that needs to
be done in order for you to become a US citizen.
And a lot of these people are older and they
can now learn this. And it's not like getting a
driver's license, where okay, we'll read it out to you
and we will explain it to you. We don't get
that option. You need to take it when you've pass
it or you don't.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, it's a good point, Martha. Just real quick, I
only have thirty seconds here. But how old were you
when you figured out what your own legal status was
in the country.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
I was probably high school. I was in high school,
and now I was seventeen years old. And the reason
that I decided to become a US citizen at the
age of eighteen was because I wanted to get a
higher ranking when I joined the army.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Well, Martha, thank you so much for sharing your story.
Thank you for your service to our country, and we
really appreciate you for listening to our show and calling
in today.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
Thank you, appreciate you, and I'll love your radio station.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Welcome in, Kathy. What's on your mind about this?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Hi?
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Yes, I really appreciated what Martha had said earlier, and
I'm glad for her service as well. Went to thank
her for that, but I also went to say, my
husband went through this process. We lived here for five years.
He applied for citizenship, He followed all over the rules,
he took the test, He studied for the test. Studying
for the test made him want to be a citizen
(22:48):
even more. It wasn't too difficult. There were simple questions.
He only answered six correctly and they said you passed.
It was not the complex process that they made it
out to be, but it was very timely and cost
a lot of money. We paid about eight thousand dollars
through all the different processes to get him to be
(23:09):
a citizen legally.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Wow, that's a pretty hefty number.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
So how long had he been in the United States
before he decided he wanted to become a citizen.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
He applied for everything before he came over. He had
been to the US a couple times to visit, he
got a green card, He lived here for about five
years before he applied for permanent citizenship.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
And then how long did it take as far as
the process from when he started that paperwork to actually
becoming a citizen about two years? Interesting and eight thousand dollars,
So very interesting. Kathy, Well, I'm glad that you shared
that story with us today because I think that's one
thing in this conversation. A lot of us don't know
what it's like to have to do the paperwork or
(23:53):
to do the preparation and how possible in or impossible
depending on who you are, it is, and I'm glad
that we got that from you today. Kathy really appreciate
you calling in.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Thank you, thanks for your great radio station.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, thank you for listening to our show today. If
Barbara on the phone line four two, five, five, eight
eleven ten, welcome in, Barbara. What do you say about this?
Speaker 8 (24:15):
I just I mean, my relatives came here, they went
through the process of getting you know, citizenship. I guess
I'm second generation here or third on the other side,
So I just figure everybody should be doing that. I
don't know what everybody's situation is but or what my
(24:36):
grandparents were, but I just feel like they everyone should
go through it. Legally, it's illegal in this country to
you know, be here without right you know.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, what would you say, Barbara?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I guess if you know the Vietnamese woman who moved
here when she was twelve, I'm not sure if she
understood what her legal staf as was, and I'm sure
maybe somebody is she would have been notified on multiple
occasions maybe of her status. You would think, but do
you have any different feelings for somebody who's been here
for you know, thirty plus years and seemingly is trying
to you know, make a run of it.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
At the American Dream.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Just not necessarily knowing what their status is before they're deported.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Well, somebody should let them know. I mean, I mean,
shouldn't they know when they're enrolled in school. That's what
doesn't make sense to me. I mean, they should know
if someone's legal citizen or not when they've been rolled
in school. I think that should be a prerequisite that
would probably help to find out who is and who
(25:41):
isn't and let them know themselves if they are not.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, I mean it's a good point.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I again didn't have to worry about that myself, but
I went to school with a lot of Hispanic kids who,
you know, their parents had come to my hometown to
work in the meatpacking plant.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That packing plant.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
As you can imagine, ICE is done a number on
that meat packing plant since the enforcement started this year. So,
I mean, it's a very interesting conversation. Barbara, appreciate the
call today, Thanks for listening to us.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
Thank you. Bye.
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