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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One of my favorite topics to talk about is artificial intelligence.
I'm always trying to think about ways that it can
help my life and make my life a bit easier.
But also it sometimes has not got a great reputation
for helping people out, and of course there are certain
lawsuits about how you know, artificial intelligence put young people
on the wrong side of their mental illnesses. Well, joining
(00:23):
me today to try to talk about this and try
to understand what we can utilize artificial intelligence in a
positive way for is a certified coach and life mastery consultant.
Joan Butler joining us on the phone line. Joan, thank
you so much for being a part of our show
and for talking about this with us today.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, no problems. Well, so here we are. You know,
I'm a really big believer that every plot in our
life is really just a plot twist in our story.
So today I really want to talk about what happens
when AI walks on to the stage of our own
mental health, both the good, the risky, and the surprising
ways it's showing up. Because it's showing up in so
(01:01):
many ways. You know, I have clients as a coach,
I've had for you know, several years. Many of them
own their own companies or had their own companies, and
more and more I'm hearing and encouraging ways that they
can positively like what you were saying. Use Ai. I'm
a woman I've been working with and she's been around
(01:23):
the block several times's she was hiring a new general manager,
and so we talked about, you know, what she wanted,
what she didn't want, and what she had from experience
from before. And so the morning of the day this
new general manager was going to start, it was early
(01:44):
in the morning, I wasn't available to her. She went
on to the voicemail chat that she had and she
just needed a little reassurance on how to walk the
general manager through the first day, and she said it
was very helpful. Yeah, so you know, there are really
ways that I also had this other male client that
(02:06):
just a good guy, and he was a manager and
he had, you know, an employee that was challenging and
he knew he needed to hold some boundaries and he
went on and just ask a little bit of information
on one of what's called the wellness out and got
some really good feedback. We also know that there are
times when people are not doing well that there can
(02:28):
be high risks, and so you know, it's being able
to look at the good, the bad, and the ugly
when it comes to AI because it's not going away
and it's changing every day.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, I looked. You know, I can relate to those
anecdotes there because you know, when I was going through
different things, especially during this summer, you know, there were
different things in my life. I was just trying to
figure out and try to understand why I feel a
certain way. And I did. I had full on conversations
just with an AI bought that you know, got to
(03:01):
know me and could just give me like a third
person's perspective honestly, like a tell me, okay, so this
is probably why you're feeling those ways. It really helped
me kind of understand where I was. Now I understand
that that may not be for everybody here, and I
understand that there are a lot of people because there
are multiple lawsuits out there saying their teenager tried to
(03:22):
talk to artificial intelligence and it led them to committing
suicide or led them even into a darker place. And
to me, right like, I just I feel like we're
putting blame on potentially artificial intelligence where the blame shouldn't
be there. The blame should be that there were you know,
red flags that need to be you know, addressed in
(03:43):
different ways. What is the relationship where artificial intelligence could
be incredibly helpful for US adults who you know, are
fully functional and see it as a tool that it is,
versus maybe younger people who are looking for help as
well but don't necessarily know how to use it as
the tool that it is.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yes, you know, excellent question. Some of the cases that
you're referring to, there's a gentleman in Belgium that used
it a young person. There are a couple cases in
Florida and Colorado, and these cases are clearly individuals that
need what we call medical FDA approved apps. There are
(04:27):
too many situations where right now the industry is changing
so quickly where if you're under eighteen you can't use it,
where rental support is really needed. But then there are
times where for there's like the Gotman Coach one that
(04:47):
people go on and these are people who are not
in crisis, but they just want better tools. There's one
for veterans that they can go on and get some
support where they feel really it's anonymous and no one's
going to know about it. There's COPED parenting ones that
are actually wonderful. They're the referee, but not necessarily the
(05:11):
whole antilata. They still need to go to a therapist
to get the whole story, but they can be you know,
people are saying that apps are being used sometimes between
two and five o'clock in the morning when people might
be having a panic attack or feeling really depressed, and
they can be really helpful in those situations. But we're
(05:32):
in a whole new industry right now, so there's going
to be biases. There's already biases about gender biases with
women not detecting depression so much because women have much
variety of own usually generally in their voices, and so
they're missing some major depression in women at times. But
we're learning that anything that's new we're going to have
(05:55):
to be cautious of with our children. With not it
becomes mean the third partner in a partnership, because one
is going to AI instead of really talking about their
venerable emotions to their partner the risk. But on the
other side, it can be a time saver. I don't
go in best. They have a company, and she said,
(06:17):
you don't have people ask me all the time to
give references, and I want and I want to give
these references. I said, go on to AI, let it go,
check you, let it give you, tell them you know
what you want to say, and then let them really
help you carve it out so that it's like what
you were saying, it's a real time saver.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Part of that that I just want to say is
AI can be your modern day version of a diary,
except this diary might text you back, and that's great.
A diary holds your secrets quietly. AI can respond and
suggest coping strategies. That's the gift in the interaction. But
(06:58):
the risk is privacy. So you can take and lock
your journal on to your bed, but this lives on
a server somewhere, so you have to always remember that.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah. Yeah, we're speaking with Joan Butler, who's a certified
coach and life mastery consultant. The journal aspect, that would
be my best way to kind of describe when I'm
getting it intrinsic with myself or I'm just needing a
boost or some you know, understanding of why I'm feeling
certain ways about certain things. AI is kind of like
(07:29):
a live journal for me, and I do find it
to be a great tool among the other things that
I use it for. But I understand that it's also
a brave new world for a lot of people who
might not be as tech savvy, might not be willing
to kind of wade into the waters of this, you know,
new technology that has all these question marks about it,
(07:50):
seemingly some negative publicity around it in some cases, What
would be the best way for somebody who is skeptical,
who isn't sure that it's good for their kid to
be utilizing artificial intelligence, or is skeptical for their own
life in the use of artificial intelligence, whether it's for
their work or whether it's to kind of help them
(08:11):
with their own personal problems in even a minor way,
what would be your best advice to get them started?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Okay, really good question. I think you need to start
by talking to someone who is very embedded that you respect.
So if it's your therapist, if it's a coach, if
it's someone in the community that can clearly define what
is a true medical treatment app for someone in crises,
(08:42):
or a wellness companion, app like wasa that really helps
you walk through something, but you can also do it
with a human being. AI is never going to replace
human beings, but it's a great adjunct, and so it's
learning how to go to individuals that can say this
(09:02):
app is vetted, it's respected not so much over here,
and that's changing as we speak. So it's go to
people who you're trusted, who you really trust, because the
human spirit can never never be replaced.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
AI may add clever lines to your life script, but
the story role in your life will always belong to
you and the real people who walk beside you, and
that's where true growth and connection happens. So if you
want to know a little bit more, go to Relationships
Center for Change. And I have a lot more on this. Well.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It's great information and it's something, like I mentioned, a
brave new world for a lot of different people. And
it's something that over the last several months I've learned
how to use and use in a way that I
think has been a real good addition to my life.
I don't like need it to function, but it's great
to have it there, whether it's for work or just
something personal. Joan Butler a certified coach life Mastery consultant.
(10:06):
Thank you so much for the information today and this
is great stuff. Hopefully we've helped some people.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Thank you so much. You take care.
One of my favorite topics to talk about is artificial intelligence.
I'm always trying to think about ways that it can
help my life and make my life a bit easier.
But also it sometimes has not got a great reputation
for helping people out, and of course there are certain
lawsuits about how you know, artificial intelligence put young people
on the wrong side of their mental illnesses. Well, joining
(00:23):
me today to try to talk about this and try
to understand what we can utilize artificial intelligence in a
positive way for is a certified coach and life mastery consultant.
Joan Butler joining us on the phone line. Joan, thank
you so much for being a part of our show
and for talking about this with us today.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, no problems. Well, so here we are. You know,
I'm a really big believer that every plot in our
life is really just a plot twist in our story.
So today I really want to talk about what happens
when AI walks on to the stage of our own
mental health, both the good, the risky, and the surprising
ways it's showing up. Because it's showing up in so
(01:01):
many ways. You know, I have clients as a coach,
I've had for you know, several years. Many of them
own their own companies or had their own companies, and
more and more I'm hearing and encouraging ways that they
can positively like what you were saying. Use Ai. I'm
a woman I've been working with and she's been around
(01:23):
the block several times's she was hiring a new general manager,
and so we talked about, you know, what she wanted,
what she didn't want, and what she had from experience
from before. And so the morning of the day this
new general manager was going to start, it was early
(01:44):
in the morning, I wasn't available to her. She went
on to the voicemail chat that she had and she
just needed a little reassurance on how to walk the
general manager through the first day, and she said it
was very helpful. Yeah, so you know, there are really
ways that I also had this other male client that
(02:06):
just a good guy, and he was a manager and
he had, you know, an employee that was challenging and
he knew he needed to hold some boundaries and he
went on and just ask a little bit of information
on one of what's called the wellness out and got
some really good feedback. We also know that there are
times when people are not doing well that there can
(02:28):
be high risks, and so you know, it's being able
to look at the good, the bad, and the ugly
when it comes to AI because it's not going away
and it's changing every day.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, I looked. You know, I can relate to those
anecdotes there because you know, when I was going through
different things, especially during this summer, you know, there were
different things in my life. I was just trying to
figure out and try to understand why I feel a
certain way. And I did. I had full on conversations
just with an AI bought that you know, got to
(03:01):
know me and could just give me like a third
person's perspective honestly, like a tell me, okay, so this
is probably why you're feeling those ways. It really helped
me kind of understand where I was. Now I understand
that that may not be for everybody here, and I
understand that there are a lot of people because there
are multiple lawsuits out there saying their teenager tried to
(03:22):
talk to artificial intelligence and it led them to committing
suicide or led them even into a darker place. And
to me, right like, I just I feel like we're
putting blame on potentially artificial intelligence where the blame shouldn't
be there. The blame should be that there were you know,
red flags that need to be you know, addressed in
(03:43):
different ways. What is the relationship where artificial intelligence could
be incredibly helpful for US adults who you know, are
fully functional and see it as a tool that it is,
versus maybe younger people who are looking for help as
well but don't necessarily know how to use it as
the tool that it is.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yes, you know, excellent question. Some of the cases that
you're referring to, there's a gentleman in Belgium that used
it a young person. There are a couple cases in
Florida and Colorado, and these cases are clearly individuals that
need what we call medical FDA approved apps. There are
(04:27):
too many situations where right now the industry is changing
so quickly where if you're under eighteen you can't use it,
where rental support is really needed. But then there are
times where for there's like the Gotman Coach one that
(04:47):
people go on and these are people who are not
in crisis, but they just want better tools. There's one
for veterans that they can go on and get some
support where they feel really it's anonymous and no one's
going to know about it. There's COPED parenting ones that
are actually wonderful. They're the referee, but not necessarily the
(05:11):
whole antilata. They still need to go to a therapist
to get the whole story, but they can be you know,
people are saying that apps are being used sometimes between
two and five o'clock in the morning when people might
be having a panic attack or feeling really depressed, and
they can be really helpful in those situations. But we're
(05:32):
in a whole new industry right now, so there's going
to be biases. There's already biases about gender biases with
women not detecting depression so much because women have much
variety of own usually generally in their voices, and so
they're missing some major depression in women at times. But
we're learning that anything that's new we're going to have
(05:55):
to be cautious of with our children. With not it
becomes mean the third partner in a partnership, because one
is going to AI instead of really talking about their
venerable emotions to their partner the risk. But on the
other side, it can be a time saver. I don't
go in best. They have a company, and she said,
(06:17):
you don't have people ask me all the time to
give references, and I want and I want to give
these references. I said, go on to AI, let it go,
check you, let it give you, tell them you know
what you want to say, and then let them really
help you carve it out so that it's like what
you were saying, it's a real time saver.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Part of that that I just want to say is
AI can be your modern day version of a diary,
except this diary might text you back, and that's great.
A diary holds your secrets quietly. AI can respond and
suggest coping strategies. That's the gift in the interaction. But
(06:58):
the risk is privacy. So you can take and lock
your journal on to your bed, but this lives on
a server somewhere, so you have to always remember that.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah. Yeah, we're speaking with Joan Butler, who's a certified
coach and life mastery consultant. The journal aspect, that would
be my best way to kind of describe when I'm
getting it intrinsic with myself or I'm just needing a
boost or some you know, understanding of why I'm feeling
certain ways about certain things. AI is kind of like
(07:29):
a live journal for me, and I do find it
to be a great tool among the other things that
I use it for. But I understand that it's also
a brave new world for a lot of people who
might not be as tech savvy, might not be willing
to kind of wade into the waters of this, you know,
new technology that has all these question marks about it,
(07:50):
seemingly some negative publicity around it in some cases, What
would be the best way for somebody who is skeptical,
who isn't sure that it's good for their kid to
be utilizing artificial intelligence, or is skeptical for their own
life in the use of artificial intelligence, whether it's for
their work or whether it's to kind of help them
(08:11):
with their own personal problems in even a minor way,
what would be your best advice to get them started?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Okay, really good question. I think you need to start
by talking to someone who is very embedded that you respect.
So if it's your therapist, if it's a coach, if
it's someone in the community that can clearly define what
is a true medical treatment app for someone in crises,
(08:42):
or a wellness companion, app like wasa that really helps
you walk through something, but you can also do it
with a human being. AI is never going to replace
human beings, but it's a great adjunct, and so it's
learning how to go to individuals that can say this
(09:02):
app is vetted, it's respected not so much over here,
and that's changing as we speak. So it's go to
people who you're trusted, who you really trust, because the
human spirit can never never be replaced.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
AI may add clever lines to your life script, but
the story role in your life will always belong to
you and the real people who walk beside you, and
that's where true growth and connection happens. So if you
want to know a little bit more, go to Relationships
Center for Change. And I have a lot more on this. Well.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It's great information and it's something, like I mentioned, a
brave new world for a lot of different people. And
it's something that over the last several months I've learned
how to use and use in a way that I
think has been a real good addition to my life.
I don't like need it to function, but it's great
to have it there, whether it's for work or just
something personal. Joan Butler a certified coach life Mastery consultant.
(10:06):
Thank you so much for the information today and this
is great stuff. Hopefully we've helped some people.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Thank you so much. You take care.
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