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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you're a fan of politics, if you're a fan
of news, if you like things to read. Huge day,
massive day. I want everybody like like drop everything and
run to wherever you get your audio books or your
real books or your what do people do? Can you like,
(00:27):
are we to the point you would know? When you
could you like just like inject a book information into
your head yet like a disc Yeah, you just like
put it. Yeah, it's just like yeah, just like in
your ear something like or some sort of trance or
hypnotic situation where they can just like if you wanted
(00:49):
to read a book but you didn't have time. I
haven't heard of anything, but that really helped with book reports.
There's got to be somebody somewhere trying to figure that
out right now. Well either way. One hundred and seven
Days a book by Kamala Harris in collaboration with Geraldine Brooks,
talking about the shortest presidential campaign of all time. If
(01:13):
you didn't know, and wow, there's a lot of stuff.
There's a lot of stuff in here. First and foremost,
she has made the media rounds. I got a couple
of pieces of audio for you, but man, she throws
a ton of people under the bus during this book.
Holy moly, it is really interesting. Is it's quite something?
(01:36):
You know what? I think? This is the kind of
book you write and release when you have basically cleaned
your hands with being a politician, at least for the
immediate future. There's no way Kamala writes this book and
had any eyes towards running for president in twenty twenty eight,
not that the indictment was already there from the American people,
right that we clearly don't want you to be the person.
(01:58):
But you could have said that about Joe Biden four
different times and he still found a way to become
President of the United States. You know why, because Barack
Obama pulled him into the White House be his running
mate and his vice president. And then after four years
of where he was just like leave me alone, he
was pulled back in because the Democrats could not develop
any further candidates by twenty twenty now that included Kamala Harris,
(02:18):
because of the extenuating circumstances of Biden's health than his
mental decline. Even though the Democratic Party didn't want to
admit that, they waited until the very last moment when
they said, Okay, he's actually not going to run for reelection,
and it will be Kamala Harris who will take his place,
simply because she is the only person legally that can
take the funds that we already raised for Joe Biden
(02:41):
and run with them. It would have been a much
more convoluted situation. And I mean, she puts a ton
of stuff out here about people who basically said that
she was not ready for the job, including a lot
of Democrats. Here's her on the view about the election
(03:04):
and election night itself, and you know, we know the
view already. Just trust me on this. They're very, very liberal.
But it's fascinating. You know, she's in amongst her own crowd.
The hosts are very liberal, the people listening and the
audience are very liberal. Here's what she had to say
about the election night.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Doug and I my husband, It wasn't until I was
writing that chapter that we had ever talked about election night.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Oh, we had never talked about election felt traumatic. It
was that traumatic. We had never talked about election night.
So I'm writing it and I'm thinking about it, and
you know, and there were a number of people who
I could kind of like, what was your you know,
like the different perspectives of a moment. And that's when
Doug told me that he had been out campaigning with
(03:53):
my brother in law in Pennsylvania and we met back
up in DC, and I remember being a little out
of sorts, but there was so much happening. But on
his way back from a rally where there was an
incredible amount of enthusiasm, people on the ground were like,
we got it, we got it, We're going to do this.
And then they talked with a mutual friend of ours
(04:14):
who was over at Fox News in the war room,
who had been hearing about data that suggested things were
not looking great in Pennsylvania and the way I write
about it, I mean my poor husband. So he didn't
want to he didn't want to put that on me.
He went upstairs and he basically went in the shower
(04:38):
and prayed that it was not going to be a
bad night. And it was. You know, my family was there,
everybody was there. I've always on election, I'd done family
and friends and dinner, but that night I grieved in
a way that I have not since my mother died.
(05:03):
And it was I was the pain was it was
not at all about losing a race. I knew what
it was going to mean for the country. I was
going to say, for the family, that's what and that's
how I felt. For the country. I knew what it
was going to mean. But I knew and I and
(05:23):
and all I could say over and over again is
my god, my God, my god.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It was. It was very difficult. I mean, I know everyone,
many people experienced it in different ways. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, So there she is, Kamala Harris talking about her
feeling on election night. I don't just I don't you
want to know what I think. I think that you know,
there's I think she was being completely honest there. But
that's the kind of thing it just like, oh no,
was going to mean for the country. And you know,
everybody knows all these different people who are involved in
(05:58):
this situation, for you know, the American public, you know
how that goes. There are a lot of people that grieve, right.
She showed up on Rachel Maddow last night. She showed
up on Rachel Maddow last night, and I wanted to
talk about this too, because this was the one excerpt
that really caught my attention before the book was released
(06:20):
and published, is that she didn't want to pick Tim
Walls to be her running mate, which we all found
at certain points to be quite an interesting pick. She
hadn't really met Tim Walls until they already had basically
given her the job of, Hey, you're picking up this campaign,
(06:40):
and you got to spread us to the finish line.
She wanted Pete Boodagic and in the book she writes
that she was afraid of picking a gay man, and
because she's a black woman, she thought it was just
going to be too much for the American public to handle.
It turns out Tim Wall's decision really didn't help out
that much. Well. Rachel Maddow, who so as part of
(07:00):
the LGBTQ plus community and obviously a very staunchly liberal
news anchor for MSNBC, had Kamala Harris on her show
last night and had some things to say. This is
Rachel Mattout talking to Kamala Harris last night ahead of
her big book release.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I guess, I guess i'd ask you to just elaborate
on that a little bit. It's hard to hear with
you running, as you know, you're the first woman elected
vice president, you're a black woman and a South Asian
woman elected. That high office, very nearly elected president, to
say that he couldn't be on the ticket effectively because
he was gay. It's hard to hear.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
No, No, that's not what I said. That that's that he
couldn't be on the ticket because he is gay. My point,
as I write in the book, is that I was
clear that in one hundred and seven days, in one
of the most hotly contested elections for President of the
(07:56):
United States, against someone like Donald Trump, who knows no
floor to be a black woman running for president of
the United States, and as a vice presidential running mate
a gay man, with the stakes being so high, it
made me very sad, But I also realized it would
(08:20):
be a real risk no matter how you know. I've
been an advocate and an ally of the LGBT community
my entire life. So it wasn't about it wasn't about
it right, So it wasn't about any any prejudice on
my part. But we had such a short period of
(08:41):
time and the stakes were so high. I think Pete
is a phenomenal, phenomenal public servant, and I think America
is and would be ready for that. But at when
I had to make that decision, with two weeks to go,
(09:06):
you know, and maybe I was being too cautious. You know,
I'll let our friends, we should all talk about that.
Maybe I was, But that's the decision I made, and
I'm and I, as with everything else in the book,
I'm being very candid about that. Yeah, with a great
deal of sadness about also the fact that it might
(09:29):
have been a risk.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
All right. So that's the uh, that's the conversation Rachel
Maddow and Kamala Harris. Rachel Maddow let her hear it
a little bit, saying that was hard for me to hear,
And that's true. You want to know something else about that.
Got to be completely honest with you, guys, I don't
think it would have helped. Identity politics is what it is.
(09:52):
People do that all the time. It happens all the time,
doesn't really matter which side of it is on. Sometimes
you just see people, especially on the political left, who
see that they want to try to have as much
representation with their tickets as possible. They want people to
greatly represent who's actually doing the voting. It just didn't
(10:15):
pan out for the Democrats because the candidate wasn't strong enough.
And Pete Boodagig or Tim Walls. I don't think it
really was going to matter who is going to be
a part of that, you know what. I do think
people like Jos Shapiro, Gavin Newso, some of the stronger candidates,
maybe even Gretchen Whitmer who are in the Democratic Party
that might have been solid presidential candidates at the time.
I can pretty much tell you without telling you straight up,
(10:38):
that these were people that were not going to be
interested in being a running mate to Kamala Harris. They
saw that this was not a ship that was going
to go to the finish line and win the presidency,
and they did not want to have their name associated
with that. Tim Walls, on the other hand, said, Wow,
this is great. This is going to elevate me into
(10:59):
now national spotlight. And it did, for better or worse,
it did. But as you can tell from that conversation,
she said, that's not what I said, and then goes
on to say basically the exact same thing that she
said in the book, which is exactly what Rachel Maddow said.
Even if she is an advocate for people of the
LGBTQ plus community, she made a decision based on identity politics,
and she's probably right that Pete Budajudge being her running
(11:22):
mate was a very risky stance, and maybe they would
have blamed poor performance in November on having a black
woman and a gay man be on the ticket together,
but as we saw with Tim Wallas, he couldn't use
that excuse and it didn't make any difference at all,
If you're a fan of politics, if you're a fan
of news, if you like things to read. Huge day,
massive day. I want everybody like like drop everything and
run to wherever you get your audio books or your
real books or your what do people do? Can you like,
(00:27):
are we to the point you would know? When you
could you like just like inject a book information into
your head yet like a disc Yeah, you just like
put it. Yeah, it's just like yeah, just like in
your ear something like or some sort of trance or
hypnotic situation where they can just like if you wanted
(00:49):
to read a book but you didn't have time. I
haven't heard of anything, but that really helped with book reports.
There's got to be somebody somewhere trying to figure that
out right now. Well either way. One hundred and seven
Days a book by Kamala Harris in collaboration with Geraldine Brooks,
talking about the shortest presidential campaign of all time. If
(01:13):
you didn't know, and wow, there's a lot of stuff.
There's a lot of stuff in here. First and foremost,
she has made the media rounds. I got a couple
of pieces of audio for you, but man, she throws
a ton of people under the bus during this book.
Holy moly, it is really interesting. Is it's quite something?
(01:36):
You know what? I think? This is the kind of
book you write and release when you have basically cleaned
your hands with being a politician, at least for the
immediate future. There's no way Kamala writes this book and
had any eyes towards running for president in twenty twenty eight,
not that the indictment was already there from the American people,
right that we clearly don't want you to be the person.
(01:58):
But you could have said that about Joe Biden four
different times and he still found a way to become
President of the United States. You know why, because Barack
Obama pulled him into the White House be his running
mate and his vice president. And then after four years
of where he was just like leave me alone, he
was pulled back in because the Democrats could not develop
any further candidates by twenty twenty now that included Kamala Harris,
(02:18):
because of the extenuating circumstances of Biden's health than his
mental decline. Even though the Democratic Party didn't want to
admit that, they waited until the very last moment when
they said, Okay, he's actually not going to run for reelection,
and it will be Kamala Harris who will take his place,
simply because she is the only person legally that can
take the funds that we already raised for Joe Biden
(02:41):
and run with them. It would have been a much
more convoluted situation. And I mean, she puts a ton
of stuff out here about people who basically said that
she was not ready for the job, including a lot
of Democrats. Here's her on the view about the election
(03:04):
and election night itself, and you know, we know the
view already. Just trust me on this. They're very, very liberal.
But it's fascinating. You know, she's in amongst her own crowd.
The hosts are very liberal, the people listening and the
audience are very liberal. Here's what she had to say
about the election night.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Doug and I my husband, It wasn't until I was
writing that chapter that we had ever talked about election night.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Oh, we had never talked about election felt traumatic. It
was that traumatic. We had never talked about election night.
So I'm writing it and I'm thinking about it, and
you know, and there were a number of people who
I could kind of like, what was your you know,
like the different perspectives of a moment. And that's when
Doug told me that he had been out campaigning with
(03:53):
my brother in law in Pennsylvania and we met back
up in DC, and I remember being a little out
of sorts, but there was so much happening. But on
his way back from a rally where there was an
incredible amount of enthusiasm, people on the ground were like,
we got it, we got it, We're going to do this.
And then they talked with a mutual friend of ours
(04:14):
who was over at Fox News in the war room,
who had been hearing about data that suggested things were
not looking great in Pennsylvania and the way I write
about it, I mean my poor husband. So he didn't
want to he didn't want to put that on me.
He went upstairs and he basically went in the shower
(04:38):
and prayed that it was not going to be a
bad night. And it was. You know, my family was there,
everybody was there. I've always on election, I'd done family
and friends and dinner, but that night I grieved in
a way that I have not since my mother died.
(05:03):
And it was I was the pain was it was
not at all about losing a race. I knew what
it was going to mean for the country. I was
going to say, for the family, that's what and that's
how I felt. For the country. I knew what it
was going to mean. But I knew and I and
(05:23):
and all I could say over and over again is
my god, my God, my god.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It was. It was very difficult. I mean, I know everyone,
many people experienced it in different ways. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, So there she is, Kamala Harris talking about her
feeling on election night. I don't just I don't you
want to know what I think. I think that you know,
there's I think she was being completely honest there. But
that's the kind of thing it just like, oh no,
was going to mean for the country. And you know,
everybody knows all these different people who are involved in
(05:58):
this situation, for you know, the American public, you know
how that goes. There are a lot of people that grieve, right.
She showed up on Rachel Maddow last night. She showed
up on Rachel Maddow last night, and I wanted to
talk about this too, because this was the one excerpt
that really caught my attention before the book was released
(06:20):
and published, is that she didn't want to pick Tim
Walls to be her running mate, which we all found
at certain points to be quite an interesting pick. She
hadn't really met Tim Walls until they already had basically
given her the job of, Hey, you're picking up this campaign,
(06:40):
and you got to spread us to the finish line.
She wanted Pete Boodagic and in the book she writes
that she was afraid of picking a gay man, and
because she's a black woman, she thought it was just
going to be too much for the American public to handle.
It turns out Tim Wall's decision really didn't help out
that much. Well. Rachel Maddow, who so as part of
(07:00):
the LGBTQ plus community and obviously a very staunchly liberal
news anchor for MSNBC, had Kamala Harris on her show
last night and had some things to say. This is
Rachel Mattout talking to Kamala Harris last night ahead of
her big book release.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I guess, I guess i'd ask you to just elaborate
on that a little bit. It's hard to hear with
you running, as you know, you're the first woman elected
vice president, you're a black woman and a South Asian
woman elected. That high office, very nearly elected president, to
say that he couldn't be on the ticket effectively because
he was gay. It's hard to hear.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
No, No, that's not what I said. That that's that he
couldn't be on the ticket because he is gay. My point,
as I write in the book, is that I was
clear that in one hundred and seven days, in one
of the most hotly contested elections for President of the
(07:56):
United States, against someone like Donald Trump, who knows no
floor to be a black woman running for president of
the United States, and as a vice presidential running mate
a gay man, with the stakes being so high, it
made me very sad, But I also realized it would
(08:20):
be a real risk no matter how you know. I've
been an advocate and an ally of the LGBT community
my entire life. So it wasn't about it wasn't about
it right, So it wasn't about any any prejudice on
my part. But we had such a short period of
(08:41):
time and the stakes were so high. I think Pete
is a phenomenal, phenomenal public servant, and I think America
is and would be ready for that. But at when
I had to make that decision, with two weeks to go,
(09:06):
you know, and maybe I was being too cautious. You know,
I'll let our friends, we should all talk about that.
Maybe I was, But that's the decision I made, and
I'm and I, as with everything else in the book,
I'm being very candid about that. Yeah, with a great
deal of sadness about also the fact that it might
(09:29):
have been a risk.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
All right. So that's the uh, that's the conversation Rachel
Maddow and Kamala Harris. Rachel Maddow let her hear it
a little bit, saying that was hard for me to hear,
And that's true. You want to know something else about that.
Got to be completely honest with you, guys, I don't
think it would have helped. Identity politics is what it is.
(09:52):
People do that all the time. It happens all the time,
doesn't really matter which side of it is on. Sometimes
you just see people, especially on the political left, who
see that they want to try to have as much
representation with their tickets as possible. They want people to
greatly represent who's actually doing the voting. It just didn't
(10:15):
pan out for the Democrats because the candidate wasn't strong enough.
And Pete Boodagig or Tim Walls. I don't think it
really was going to matter who is going to be
a part of that, you know what. I do think
people like Jos Shapiro, Gavin Newso, some of the stronger candidates,
maybe even Gretchen Whitmer who are in the Democratic Party
that might have been solid presidential candidates at the time.
I can pretty much tell you without telling you straight up,
(10:38):
that these were people that were not going to be
interested in being a running mate to Kamala Harris. They
saw that this was not a ship that was going
to go to the finish line and win the presidency,
and they did not want to have their name associated
with that. Tim Walls, on the other hand, said, Wow,
this is great. This is going to elevate me into
(10:59):
now national spotlight. And it did, for better or worse,
it did. But as you can tell from that conversation,
she said, that's not what I said, and then goes
on to say basically the exact same thing that she
said in the book, which is exactly what Rachel Maddow said.
Even if she is an advocate for people of the
LGBTQ plus community, she made a decision based on identity politics,
and she's probably right that Pete Budajudge being her running
(11:22):
mate was a very risky stance, and maybe they would
have blamed poor performance in November on having a black
woman and a gay man be on the ticket together,
but as we saw with Tim Wallas, he couldn't use
that excuse and it didn't make any difference at all,
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