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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Needs to be about the Pope, don't you think my
case my producer, by the way, Emery Hunger with you man,
it's it's got to be where we start.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Either that or Stone called Steve Austin crash and his
four wheeler at WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
That lady was not happy. I wonder if she was
seeing the seeing the dollar signs in her eyes. She's like, Oh,
if I sell this good, there's a chance they'll pay
me or give me tickets to like Life or whatever.
But you seem to be a fairly disagreeable person.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, when there's money at stake.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
See.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
My problem is if I was in that situation, I'd
forget at first and I'd be like, oh, I'm fine,
I'm fine, and then it would click in and I.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Should went down. I'm not fine, I should.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Have went down.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yet I'd go down later and people would see right
through it.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I don't know that people are saying that's what she did,
and she fell down a second after. Yeah, you know,
so there are people out there already conspiracy theorizing that
she trying to get a payday from the Wwe could.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We get an answer replay, Maybe she started falling before
and before they actually crashed preemptive.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Other people wanting to hear us talk about the Pope
are like, what's wrong with these guys? A lot? A lot? Indeed,
do you have an opinion on the Pope? I mean,
we know what we know about his like what he
said in his opinions, but it didn't really affect our
lives a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, I guess as a as someone who was not
raised the Catholic I understand the Pope as an important
religious figure within Catholicism, but he hasn't really impacted my
life at all.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So is it a bad time to ask why the
Pope is such a big deal?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Not?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I know he's a big deal, but as far as speaking.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Understanding, yeah, I think that people could probably help fill
us in on that because I don't have all the
answers there.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
But you know, like, I know he's important, but he's
not giving you a sermon. You're not like you're not
in the Vatican unless you're in the Vatican hearing him
like speak. And I know when he speaks it matters,
like it's a big deal, But how does that affect
a churchgoer's life. This guy's pretty progressive Pope Rame. I
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have heard and seen a lot of people with their
opinions about this. There are some that are mourning because
he seemed to be kind of more modern in the
way that he saw the world, but he also kind
of had this air of I don't want to say liberalism,
because that's what we would call it, but but he
like he was kind of more into the you know,
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the twenty twenties in the way that he felt about
LGBTQ plus issues when he said who am I to judge?
You know, he wasn't like actively condemning stuff like that
or even abortion because it came like when it came
to women's rights. I don't know if that's him saying
like he said it was a sin, but he said
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it's not his job to judge, and he's not preaching
down to the people who are in those camps. Like
many fundamentalist Christians of both Protestant and Catholic faith and background,
they would point to the Bible and say, well, I'm
pretty sure the Bible says this about these things. But
if we know anything about the churches, I don't know
about you, like, do you find yourself more fundamentalist or
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the church that you're in preaching more directly from like
the text or with some interpretation as it like applies
to life in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I feel like there's different churches back in the denominational era,
when you know, do you go to a church that
specifies a denomination or is it kind of like one
of those undenominational churches that you know, just anybody. It's
non Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I go to Lifegate and they are an inter denominational church,
so not non but they welcome people of any denomination.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, so yeah, I feel like that's most Protestant churches
these days. You know, the ones that have survived are
because they were willing to kind of adjust and flood
go with the flow a little bit on what traditions were.
Is that is Pope Francis's legacy that he tried to
bring some of that to the Catholic Church, which is
still very rooted in very like hundreds and hundreds of
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years of tradition and rituals and customs. The services in
the messaging similar today as it was a thousand years ago.
Is that a bad is that a bad read by me?
Or is that how it goes right, Like you and
me don't have the answers to that, and I'm just
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wondering you have. Do you have one pastor or multiple
pastors at your church that kind of give the message
every Sunday.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
We have a lead pastor, Pastor Micah, but we do
have other associate pastors who will give messages as well.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So that's but that's a message, right, And there are
priests that give messages Catholic churches. But then there are
bishops over like an area, right, kind of like a governor,
I suppose, right, Like if it was political, it would
be like the governor over the people who are running
the counties. Maybe a bad analogy. And then you know,
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like there are more bishops in the hierarchy all the
way up to the pope who likes the president, as
I understand it, So what about what the pope says
trickles down into the messaging of the Catholic Church or
does it at all? Are you allowed as a priest
in a Catholic church to be disagreeable on some of
the messaging from the pope That I don't know, which
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is why I wonder why this pope, like so many
people I'm seeing on social media saying I was in
the Catholic Church. I left the Catholic Church because of
this man and the way that he changed the messaging
or his political viewpoints. And again my understanding is, Okay, well,
you have your faith over here, and you have on
the other side your politics. And apparently, for some Americans
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who are hardcore conservative Americans, their beliefs and their political
principles and the way that they see things outweighed their
following of their faith the Catholic Church. And when the
Pope started saying things that they didn't agree with politically,
that was like their cue that I just don't want
to be in the church anymore because what I feel
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politically or what I feel, you know, in principle, with
the way that the world is going from where I live,
that's more important to me than trying to balance two
very different messages. And I suppose it depends on who
you are, But I think if you ask every single
person who really is truly faithful and wants to be
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involved in their church, well, doesn't the message of the
church kind of outweigh all the other stuff? Am I
wrong for thinking this? Aren't you taught in the church
that you know God is kind of where like that's
the nucleus of your heart and your being. If you
are a person of faith, it starts in the church.
God has to lead the way for your entire life
if this is going to work for you. So I
find it to be fascinating as so many people had
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an issue with this pope because of political viewpoints, because
that makes me feel like, well, it sounds like your
politics are leading your viewpoint of the church. Because I
don't know how the pope affects what your priest is
preaching to you on a Sunday or a Saturday or
a Wednesday or whenever you go to church. So I
don't know this is your queue though, because it's obvious
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I'm ignorant to this. I can only talk to Matt
and myself as Protestant people who have been at a
variety of Protestant church. How many churches you think you've
been to in your life. I probably sat in a
service for like seven or eight churches at least.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, probably same overall for me, probably a little bit more.
But for myself, I've been in one Catholic service. Have
you been in a Catholic service?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Before.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I have been to a wedding that was done in
like a traditional Catholic way, so you kind of had
Mass along with the wedding. And I have been to Yeah,
I have once. I did I go. I went with
a buddy of mine many years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You and me have the exact same experience, one traditional
Catholic wedding and one traditional Catholic service when we were
with a friend. Yeah, and that's the only experience we have.
If you want us to have an intelligent conversation about
the Pope or the Catholic faith, now is a great
time to call us. If you know more than we do,
which is probably anybody who goes to Catholic church regularly.
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So feel free to call us and educate us and
we can understand what the legacy of Pope Francis can
be together. The phone number is four h two five
five eight eleven ten. Four h two five five eight
to eleven ten. I would love to chat with you
and learn about this from you today on news radio
eleven ten kfab. Resurrection of Christ is quite literally the
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backbone of Christianity as we know it. So I think
it was surprised a lot of people to see him
in that way, even though he's definitely old, seems to
be frail. We know he's had health issues the last
couple of months, and then for him to pass away
just hours later. I'm trying to come to an understanding
of what his legacy will be because I know he
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was a polarizing figure even within his own church. And
I would love to hear from you today four oh
two five five eight eleven ten. Four oh two five
five eight eleven ten. And also if you want to
email you're more comfortable doing that, email me Emory E. M. E.
R Y at kfab dot com. We really need your
help today on this subject. Kevin's on the phone line
to get it started today. Kevin, thanks for the call.
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What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Well, I was just been a lot file Catholics, so
I thought you had questions about the faith. I can
fill you in if you want to. What do you
want to know about? Okay?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I love this, Kevin, Thank you for that. The Pope,
how important is he to your day to day practices
as a Catholic?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Well, very important. I would say. He's the spiritual leader
of the church and it's your If you still I
can remember of the church. Then he's your spiritual leader,
you know. And you know, I had twelve years of
Catholic education, went through first grade at Catholic school, all
through high school graduation, and that was the extent of
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my my extent of my education. So it's all my
education was Catholic from a Catholic school. Of course, it's
changed a lot since then, you know, in the years
since then. But you know, you have the pope depending about.
You know, some people got favorites, you know. Of course,
Pope John Paul the second was a real big favorite
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for everybody. Lay that made him the saint, you know,
and so uh, but what we believed, what we were
taught go in Catholic school, you know that whatever the
Pope said is what it was, you know, and you
just accepted it, you know. And as I got older,
and after the Second Vatican too, when things started changing,
and then you had some people not willing wanting to
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change in others, and you get it's almost like in
certain dioceses you can have it. Okay, Nebraska's got three dioceses,
Grand Island, Lincoln, and all the wall.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Well, when Bishop Fabian was in Lincoln, he was very
conservative and you know, he didn't let women on the
all period, and everybody else that just said it was
fine to have a girl all the more. It's hard
to say all the boys he used to be all
the boys, all all there was right now. So now
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everybody else had female altar service and female women for
eucharistic ministers and females for.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
For uh so yeah, yeah, so Kevin just to just
to kind of get back in, like I think, you know,
like for somebody like me, that sounds a little bit
kind of interesting that the pope is that important, but
there's still a level of legitimate control within each of
the dioceses, and we're like and the person in charge
kind of has their own interpretation of what the rules are.
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And that's one thing with this guy. He was quite
different socially with uh, you know, Pope John Paul the Second,
you know, John Pope John Paul the Second was a
bit more conservative than Pope Francis was. So does that
down to kind of the rest of the priests and
who's doing the service or is that something that really
it doesn't like his social views didn't necessarily get immediately
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reflected in all the other services around the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
No, no, no, I haven't seen any change, even if
they did, Even if they did, right, I don't know
that way, you know, the way I haven't seen. You know,
I haven't seen any days unions anywhere around where I've been. Okay,
you know, a lot of just get ignored.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Interesting. Well, Kevin, you gave us some good stuff to
work with today. I really appreciate you calling in. Thanks
so much for listening to us. All right, all right,
let's go to Tom on the phone line four oh two, five, five,
eight eleven ten, Tom, can you help us out a
little bit with understanding the legacy of the Pope.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Well, number one, you've got to realize that he is
the leader of the largest church in the world. So
even people non Catholic, non Christian, Muslims, people look to him.
They always have over the centuries for guidance and how
to behave and how to see you have a worldview
and love people, you know. And also the church is
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the holder of the doctrines of the faith. Number one.
They're the largest pro life denomination I think. And I'm
not a good Catholic. I'm not even a practicing Catholic,
although I was and I've been to Baptist church and
reading the Bible and baptized. But anyway, they still hold
the doctrines of the church, like the Triune God and
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the fact that Jesus has got and man, and the
beliefs and the resurrection, the fundamentals of the faith and
the pro life stands. I mean, they've been they've been
crucified for that. I mean, they've had a lot of
abuse from that over the years. And I think as
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far as you know, the LGBT, he was more into,
you know, the church used to castigate and judge the people,
and I think Pope Francis what he did. He emphasized
love the center and hate the sin and love the center. Yeah,
and he was emphasizing the part of love the center.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So so he seems he seems to have, you know,
pretty polarizing Like there were people that were Catholics say
they left the Catholic Church because one reason because of him.
But he isn't it kind of determined that the pope
is selected by God and has like a window of
what God is really trying to speak about current events
more so than anyone else in the world. Isn't that
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why he's such an important figure.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well, I think you know the cardinals when they have
their conclave, you know, they pray and ask for guidance,
and the Holy Spirit leads him to pick.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
The right man.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
So in that sense, yes, he is chosen by God,
but true the guidance of the Holy Spirit, just like
you know, the Bible says God puts down one and
lives up another. And a lot of people say that, Well,
that's why Trump got elected president of the United States.
Another thing too, that I think a lot of non
Catholics don't realize that that they're a liturgical denomination, so
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they have ceremony. Yeah, but that doesn't that doesn't.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Make them bad.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
There's tradition in every church. If you go to a
Baptist church, they're going to have a sermon and a
poem and you know at the end, and that's about it.
But what you know, one thing that non Catholics don't
realize that people that have gone to the Catholic mass,
Mass just means a lot of people coming together, you know,
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a mass of people. But they their Bible study is
when they read the Gospel. Because you know, faith comes
from hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So their whole life.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
They hear a lot of the same gospel verses and
stories in chapter and verse, so that's going to have
an effect on them, even though they might not be
able to recall chapter and verse like a Baptist might.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Right.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Interesting, And then they read.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
The epistles of Paul and the same thing. You know,
those things are going to stay with them. So they
might not be able to recall the exact chapter and
verse like you know, John three sixteen or something, but
they know or you know, the twenty third Psalm or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Hey, Tom, they know it's Yeah. Sorry, Tom, I'm running
short on time here, but this is really good stuff.
I really appreciate you enlightening us today.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Hey one other thing, can I share this with you?
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You know, Jesus said, you know, to confess your sins
one to another. That's what confession is.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
People.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
The priest isn't isn't it isn't forgiving sins. It's Jesus
that forgives sins. That the priest just kind of guides
them through that. And you're supposed to confess your sins
one to another. That's very biblical.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Interesting, Tom, good stuff. Thanks for the call today. Yeah, absolutely,
we'll take more calls. We're trying to utilize this time
as an education for me and probably all of the
other listeners who are not Catholics, you know, or you
know have it's interesting, right, and this is the open
mindedness that I hope we have when we talk every afternoon,
is that we're curious about each other's lives and the
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way that we live. I am very curious about the
Catholic Church, your faith if you are a Catholic, and
what the legacy of Pope Francis is after he passed
away our time this morning at the age of eighty eight.
So call us at four oh two five five eight
eleven ten four oh two five five eight eleven ten,
and we'll talk to more of you next on news
Radio eleven ten KFAB. Emery Songer on news Radio eleven
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ten KFAB. Every church has its own traditions and rituals,
but the Catholic Church is kind of just a foreign
language to us almost in the way that it operates.
And we're trying to understand that on top of trying
to understand the legacy of this particular pope, Pope Francis,
because I know he has been a pretty polarizing and
divisive figure for some in the Catholic Church over the
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last twelve years. And we're taking phone calls on this
four h two, five, five, eight eleven ten is the number,
and we'll start with Rick. Rick, Welcome into the show today.
What you got for me?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 7 (18:10):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yes, sir, okay.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
So there's probably more I'd like to go over, both
regarding Catholic Church in general and the Pope in particular.
I wanted to correct something. I think Tom was the
previous scholar, and he said salt massa, that's the mass
of people coming together. That's not accurate. It actually comes
from at the conclusion of the liturgy in Latin, the
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priests would say misa s which means go forth with
the mesa in the sense of going on a mission
to spread the Gospel. And so it's from that Latin
mesa that the word mass came from for the Western Church,
and Latin is still the official language. It's ecclesiastical Latin
that's somewhat different from classical Latin, and that's what all
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the official documents are written in and then translated to
the vernacular languages. This Pope well, any pope is believed
to be infallible when they're teaching appropriately according to faith
on matters of faith and morals ex cathedra, which means
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from the char of Peter making an official pronouncement. One
of the problems with this pope was doing a lot
of interviews at thirty thousand feet with journalists and they
would pay things, and those were not official pronouncements, and
folks can be wrong on things like that. This pope,
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I think he had a good heart and he was
trying to open an appeal to people and be merciful.
But also yet he turned against a lot of traditional
priests and anyone who criticized some of the things that
he did, like Cardinal Burke and several bishops that he
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dismissed and such. And we have to remember he was
raised in South America at the time that so called
liberation theology was very prominent to Swell, and I'm sure
that sharmed his background quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Rick. It's a it's interesting perspective on this, and I'm
really glad that you called in today. Thanks for listening
to our show. Let's go to Enoch, who's on our
phone line today. What do you have for me.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Hello, Emory, I just want to say that, like pot
John Paul, this both Francis was kind of important to
all the Catholics, and like this morning, I was like,
oh no, it's someone important die and I looked up
and it was there. I was like, it appeared on
YouTube this morning. So yeah, I kind of like when
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you when you were talking about on Friday the shooting FSU,
and like people are teenagers are crazy and sometimes it's
kind of you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, I'm with you, Enoch. Hey, I got other callers
that I'm trying to get to today. I really do
appreciate you calling in, buddy, Thanks for listening to our show.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, have a good one. Let's jump to Matt four two, five, five, eight,
eleven ten. Matt, you got some help with me on
the Catholic faith here.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Hello, thanks for taking my call. Yeah, I'm a lifelong Catholic.
And Rick had some good things to say, but I
kind of wanted to clear something up that I think
a lot of non Catholics and even some Catholics don't
understand about the Pope. Catholics do not have to agree
with everything the Pope says, so the Church has something
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called dogma, and dogma is the faith that cannot be changed,
and all Catholics are called to live according to it.
And we also have doctrine which kind of explains the church.
And as Rick said, in order to say something that
all Catholics have to abide by, the Pope has to
be speaking from the chair of Saint Peter, and Pope
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Francis rarely did that. Dogma cannot be changed by the pope.
So I think there's a misconception that the Pope kind
of just comes in and changes the church and everyone
has to follow what he says all the time, and
that's not true. He is the shepherd. We are supposed
to give him respect and take what he says seriously
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and follow along with his when he issues doctrine or
if he ever does speak from the chair of Saint Peter.
So we definitely have to give him that respect to
guide the flock. And to give an example of this,
I think there's a lot of misconceptions regarding Pope Francis
and his stance on homosexual marriage. Yea, the Catholic Church
teaches that marriages between one man and one woman there
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literally can be no other definition.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
And that's dogma.
Speaker 8 (22:47):
No pope can change that, and Pope Francis wasn't trying
to change that. He could have been a little more
careful in the way he put things, but he was
simply trying to help people understand that sinners are all
called to be saved, and that's what he meant by
homosexual people can be blessed. But he did not mean
that the church was going to start allowing marriages or something.
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I think the media really likes to misconstrue what he
says for their own agendas. I don't mean you media,
I just mean you know, no, I get and so
I think that's that's caused a lot of problems. I
don't think Pope Francis was really aware of that enough
and not being a little more particular in his words.
But but yeah, so that's kind of what I wanted
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to add in there. Dogma is something that doesn't change,
and very rarely does the pope actually speak from the
from the chair of Peter. So yeah, it's good anyway
it's going to throw that.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I appreciate it. Matt Hey, thanks for listening to
us and for calling in. Really appreciate it. Take care
but yeah, you as well, Tom, and everybody calling in
now stay with us. We'll get to you next four
h two five five eight eleven ten. You're educating me
and probably a lot of other people when you call
in and help explane not just the Catholic faith, but
the legacy of Pope Francis. Would love to hear from
you today on news Radio eleven ten KFAB and Reese
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on news Radio eleven ten KFAB specifically with this Pope,
which seemed to ruffle quite a few feathers depending on
which angle you're coming from. The phone lines are open.
We need you today for this conversation. Four O two
five five eight eleven ten is the number, and Tom
is there. Tom, welcome to the show today. What you
got for me?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Hi, Hey, great conversation, Thanks for taking my call. And
I'm not going to address specifically the Pope, but Tom
was on earlier talking about the differences between the Catholic
Church and Protestantism in general, and I would just like
to address that in a minute or so, and the
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way I see the Word of God, I'd explain it
is that, in a nutshell, the difference between I went
through twelve years of Catholic education, so I know a
little bit about what's going on there and the Catholic religion.
I love them to death. I have many family and
friends still practicing it, and I no longer am a Catholic.
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But I came to the realization that the main point
is where are we going to be going once it's
all said and done, when we finish this life. We
all want to get to heaven, and the Catholic Church
teaches a works salvation. How much can you do and
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can you do enough to get to heaven to know
for certain? The Word of God says that you can
know for certain if you believe in Jesus Christ as
your Lord and savior. It's by grace that we're saved
through faith, and that not of ourselves. It's a free
gift of God, not of works, lest any man should
boast so. And it is a cinipers sumption to say
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that you can know for certain that you're going to
heaven by simply placing your faith in Jesus Christ, And
that isn't true. We're all saved by grace and not
by works, and that's the main difference the two. There's
two religions in the world The one religion is the
religions that where people are working themselves to get to heaven,
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and when they die, you have the scales, and they're
hoping they got more good works on the one scale
than the other scale, and that'll get them into heaven. Unfortunately,
none of our good works gets us to heaven. There's
only one good work that gets us to heaven. And
we just celebrated this last weekend the work of Jesus
Christ alone. And if we place our faith in his work,
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then we can know for certain that by grace or
saved your faith and not of ourselves. It's nothing on
our part. And Jesus said that I am the way
the truth in life. No man comes to the five
unless he goes through me. Jesus did all the work.
We just simply need to trust it. So the other faith,
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the other faith, the other religion is a strictly a
great religion, and that's not really a religion that's man made.
It's a relationship with the Creator, God, the Lord Jesus Christ.
All the rest of religions are based on words. You
name them. It's a word salvation, Tom. I love the
people in the church, Yeah, but they're being deceived and simple.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I'm glad that you called and you had that perspective, Tom,
because it's very interesting to see how people view not
just the Catholic Church, but church in general. Thanks so
much for calling in. Really appreciate it. Yeah. Wow, Yeah,
it's pretty profound from a guy who was Catholic and
got out of the Catholic Church because he thinks that
it's just they're being deceived, because it's works based Alan's
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on the Lineless Squeeze. Alan in here before we hit
the top of the hour, Alan, what do you think
about all this?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, Hey, the Bible also says you should work out yourself.
It is Tom's right, but it also says you should
work out your salvation in fear and trembling. In other words,
were said to do good works, not buy our good works.
And the church in the past emphasized the good works,
and it just got you know that that was the
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way to heaven through Jesus and good works. But I
think there's more of a distinction now that you know,
we're supposed to work out our salvation in fear and trembling,
and that's what they emphasize. So, because sometimes Christians get
lazy and they don't want to do things and don't
want to help or pitch in to their local church.
And there's a lot more I could add, but I
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don't know if you know also that this Pope Francis
was not actually elected pope the last conclave. It was
the Italian cardinal that really actually won the vote, Cardinal Zicola.
You never heard this story?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well, I mean I don't really pay that much attention
to it, to be honest, because it has not to
do with me. But yeah, I mean, can you explain
real quick, like what happened?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Well, I can tell you what happened.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
They took the.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Vote and then actually it was they Cardinal z of
Cola was the one that won the vote in the conclave.
And but then the cardinals decided they didn't want to
They couldn't live with a Pope Cicola.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
So they so they changed the results.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Pop Pepsicola, Pope Sicola.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Oh come on, Alan, oh okay, come on, all right, a.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Little energy, little non denominational.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
The Yeah there you go. Hey, thanks, Alan, appreciate it.
He got me there, he got me all right, all right,
fair play then, is Barbara. We'll keep this going. We
got email three two four oh two five five eight
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Needs to be about the Pope, don't you think my
case my producer, by the way, Emery Hunger with you man,
it's it's got to be where we start.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Either that or Stone called Steve Austin crash and his
four wheeler at WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
That lady was not happy. I wonder if she was
seeing the seeing the dollar signs in her eyes. She's like, Oh,
if I sell this good, there's a chance they'll pay
me or give me tickets to like Life or whatever.
But you seem to be a fairly disagreeable person.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, when there's money at stake.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
See.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
My problem is if I was in that situation, I'd
forget at first and I'd be like, oh, I'm fine,
I'm fine, and then it would click in and I.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Should went down. I'm not fine, I should.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Have went down.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yet I'd go down later and people would see right
through it.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I don't know that people are saying that's what she did,
and she fell down a second after. Yeah, you know,
so there are people out there already conspiracy theorizing that
she trying to get a payday from the Wwe could.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We get an answer replay, Maybe she started falling before
and before they actually crashed preemptive.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Other people wanting to hear us talk about the Pope
are like, what's wrong with these guys? A lot? A lot? Indeed,
do you have an opinion on the Pope? I mean,
we know what we know about his like what he
said in his opinions, but it didn't really affect our
lives a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, I guess as a as someone who was not
raised the Catholic I understand the Pope as an important
religious figure within Catholicism, but he hasn't really impacted my
life at all.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So is it a bad time to ask why the
Pope is such a big deal?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Not?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I know he's a big deal, but as far as speaking.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Understanding, yeah, I think that people could probably help fill
us in on that because I don't have all the
answers there.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
But you know, like, I know he's important, but he's
not giving you a sermon. You're not like you're not
in the Vatican unless you're in the Vatican hearing him
like speak. And I know when he speaks it matters,
like it's a big deal, But how does that affect
a churchgoer's life. This guy's pretty progressive Pope Rame. I
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have heard and seen a lot of people with their
opinions about this. There are some that are mourning because
he seemed to be kind of more modern in the
way that he saw the world, but he also kind
of had this air of I don't want to say liberalism,
because that's what we would call it, but but he
like he was kind of more into the you know,
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the twenty twenties in the way that he felt about
LGBTQ plus issues when he said who am I to judge?
You know, he wasn't like actively condemning stuff like that
or even abortion because it came like when it came
to women's rights. I don't know if that's him saying
like he said it was a sin, but he said
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it's not his job to judge, and he's not preaching
down to the people who are in those camps. Like
many fundamentalist Christians of both Protestant and Catholic faith and background,
they would point to the Bible and say, well, I'm
pretty sure the Bible says this about these things. But
if we know anything about the churches, I don't know
about you, like, do you find yourself more fundamentalist or
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the church that you're in preaching more directly from like
the text or with some interpretation as it like applies
to life in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I feel like there's different churches back in the denominational era,
when you know, do you go to a church that
specifies a denomination or is it kind of like one
of those undenominational churches that you know, just anybody. It's
non Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I go to Lifegate and they are an inter denominational church,
so not non but they welcome people of any denomination.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, so yeah, I feel like that's most Protestant churches
these days. You know, the ones that have survived are
because they were willing to kind of adjust and flood
go with the flow a little bit on what traditions were.
Is that is Pope Francis's legacy that he tried to
bring some of that to the Catholic Church, which is
still very rooted in very like hundreds and hundreds of
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years of tradition and rituals and customs. The services in
the messaging similar today as it was a thousand years ago.
Is that a bad is that a bad read by me?
Or is that how it goes right, Like you and
me don't have the answers to that, and I'm just
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wondering you have. Do you have one pastor or multiple
pastors at your church that kind of give the message
every Sunday.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
We have a lead pastor, Pastor Micah, but we do
have other associate pastors who will give messages as well.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So that's but that's a message, right, And there are
priests that give messages Catholic churches. But then there are
bishops over like an area, right, kind of like a governor,
I suppose, right, Like if it was political, it would
be like the governor over the people who are running
the counties. Maybe a bad analogy. And then you know,
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like there are more bishops in the hierarchy all the
way up to the pope who likes the president, as
I understand it, So what about what the pope says
trickles down into the messaging of the Catholic Church or
does it at all? Are you allowed as a priest
in a Catholic church to be disagreeable on some of
the messaging from the pope That I don't know, which
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is why I wonder why this pope, like so many
people I'm seeing on social media saying I was in
the Catholic Church. I left the Catholic Church because of
this man and the way that he changed the messaging
or his political viewpoints. And again my understanding is, Okay, well,
you have your faith over here, and you have on
the other side your politics. And apparently, for some Americans
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who are hardcore conservative Americans, their beliefs and their political
principles and the way that they see things outweighed their
following of their faith the Catholic Church. And when the
Pope started saying things that they didn't agree with politically,
that was like their cue that I just don't want
to be in the church anymore because what I feel
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politically or what I feel, you know, in principle, with
the way that the world is going from where I live,
that's more important to me than trying to balance two
very different messages. And I suppose it depends on who
you are, But I think if you ask every single
person who really is truly faithful and wants to be
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involved in their church, well, doesn't the message of the
church kind of outweigh all the other stuff? Am I
wrong for thinking this? Aren't you taught in the church
that you know God is kind of where like that's
the nucleus of your heart and your being. If you
are a person of faith, it starts in the church.
God has to lead the way for your entire life
if this is going to work for you. So I
find it to be fascinating as so many people had
(06:51):
an issue with this pope because of political viewpoints, because
that makes me feel like, well, it sounds like your
politics are leading your viewpoint of the church. Because I
don't know how the pope affects what your priest is
preaching to you on a Sunday or a Saturday or
a Wednesday or whenever you go to church. So I
don't know this is your queue though, because it's obvious
(07:13):
I'm ignorant to this. I can only talk to Matt
and myself as Protestant people who have been at a
variety of Protestant church. How many churches you think you've
been to in your life. I probably sat in a
service for like seven or eight churches at least.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, probably same overall for me, probably a little bit more.
But for myself, I've been in one Catholic service. Have
you been in a Catholic service?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Before.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I have been to a wedding that was done in
like a traditional Catholic way, so you kind of had
Mass along with the wedding. And I have been to Yeah,
I have once. I did I go. I went with
a buddy of mine many years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You and me have the exact same experience, one traditional
Catholic wedding and one traditional Catholic service when we were
with a friend. Yeah, and that's the only experience we have.
If you want us to have an intelligent conversation about
the Pope or the Catholic faith, now is a great
time to call us. If you know more than we do,
which is probably anybody who goes to Catholic church regularly.
(08:13):
So feel free to call us and educate us and
we can understand what the legacy of Pope Francis can
be together. The phone number is four h two five
five eight eleven ten. Four h two five five eight
to eleven ten. I would love to chat with you
and learn about this from you today on news radio
eleven ten kfab. Resurrection of Christ is quite literally the
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backbone of Christianity as we know it. So I think
it was surprised a lot of people to see him
in that way, even though he's definitely old, seems to
be frail. We know he's had health issues the last
couple of months, and then for him to pass away
just hours later. I'm trying to come to an understanding
of what his legacy will be because I know he
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was a polarizing figure even within his own church. And
I would love to hear from you today four oh
two five five eight eleven ten. Four oh two five
five eight eleven ten. And also if you want to
email you're more comfortable doing that, email me Emory E. M. E.
R Y at kfab dot com. We really need your
help today on this subject. Kevin's on the phone line
to get it started today. Kevin, thanks for the call.
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What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Well, I was just been a lot file Catholics, so
I thought you had questions about the faith. I can
fill you in if you want to. What do you
want to know about? Okay?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I love this, Kevin, Thank you for that. The Pope,
how important is he to your day to day practices
as a Catholic?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Well, very important. I would say. He's the spiritual leader
of the church and it's your If you still I
can remember of the church. Then he's your spiritual leader,
you know. And you know, I had twelve years of
Catholic education, went through first grade at Catholic school, all
through high school graduation, and that was the extent of
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my my extent of my education. So it's all my
education was Catholic from a Catholic school. Of course, it's
changed a lot since then, you know, in the years
since then. But you know, you have the pope depending about.
You know, some people got favorites, you know. Of course,
Pope John Paul the second was a real big favorite
(10:18):
for everybody. Lay that made him the saint, you know,
and so uh, but what we believed, what we were
taught go in Catholic school, you know that whatever the
Pope said is what it was, you know, and you
just accepted it, you know. And as I got older,
and after the Second Vatican too, when things started changing,
and then you had some people not willing wanting to
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change in others, and you get it's almost like in
certain dioceses you can have it. Okay, Nebraska's got three dioceses,
Grand Island, Lincoln, and all the wall.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Well, when Bishop Fabian was in Lincoln, he was very
conservative and you know, he didn't let women on the
all period, and everybody else that just said it was
fine to have a girl all the more. It's hard
to say all the boys he used to be all
the boys, all all there was right now. So now
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everybody else had female altar service and female women for
eucharistic ministers and females for.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
For uh so yeah, yeah, so Kevin just to just
to kind of get back in, like I think, you know,
like for somebody like me, that sounds a little bit
kind of interesting that the pope is that important, but
there's still a level of legitimate control within each of
the dioceses, and we're like and the person in charge
kind of has their own interpretation of what the rules are.
(11:47):
And that's one thing with this guy. He was quite
different socially with uh, you know, Pope John Paul the Second,
you know, John Pope John Paul the Second was a
bit more conservative than Pope Francis was. So does that
down to kind of the rest of the priests and
who's doing the service or is that something that really
it doesn't like his social views didn't necessarily get immediately
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reflected in all the other services around the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
No, no, no, I haven't seen any change, even if
they did, Even if they did, right, I don't know
that way, you know, the way I haven't seen. You know,
I haven't seen any days unions anywhere around where I've been. Okay,
you know, a lot of just get ignored.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Interesting. Well, Kevin, you gave us some good stuff to
work with today. I really appreciate you calling in. Thanks
so much for listening to us. All right, all right,
let's go to Tom on the phone line four oh two, five, five,
eight eleven ten, Tom, can you help us out a
little bit with understanding the legacy of the Pope.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Well, number one, you've got to realize that he is
the leader of the largest church in the world. So
even people non Catholic, non Christian, Muslims, people look to him.
They always have over the centuries for guidance and how
to behave and how to see you have a worldview
and love people, you know. And also the church is
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the holder of the doctrines of the faith. Number one.
They're the largest pro life denomination I think. And I'm
not a good Catholic. I'm not even a practicing Catholic,
although I was and I've been to Baptist church and
reading the Bible and baptized. But anyway, they still hold
the doctrines of the church, like the Triune God and
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the fact that Jesus has got and man, and the
beliefs and the resurrection, the fundamentals of the faith and
the pro life stands. I mean, they've been they've been
crucified for that. I mean, they've had a lot of
abuse from that over the years. And I think as
(14:04):
far as you know, the LGBT, he was more into,
you know, the church used to castigate and judge the people,
and I think Pope Francis what he did. He emphasized
love the center and hate the sin and love the center. Yeah,
and he was emphasizing the part of love the center.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So so he seems he seems to have, you know,
pretty polarizing Like there were people that were Catholics say
they left the Catholic Church because one reason because of him.
But he isn't it kind of determined that the pope
is selected by God and has like a window of
what God is really trying to speak about current events
more so than anyone else in the world. Isn't that
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why he's such an important figure.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well, I think you know the cardinals when they have
their conclave, you know, they pray and ask for guidance,
and the Holy Spirit leads him to pick.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
The right man.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
So in that sense, yes, he is chosen by God,
but true the guidance of the Holy Spirit, just like
you know, the Bible says God puts down one and
lives up another. And a lot of people say that, Well,
that's why Trump got elected president of the United States.
Another thing too, that I think a lot of non
Catholics don't realize that that they're a liturgical denomination, so
(15:19):
they have ceremony. Yeah, but that doesn't that doesn't.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Make them bad.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
There's tradition in every church. If you go to a
Baptist church, they're going to have a sermon and a
poem and you know at the end, and that's about it.
But what you know, one thing that non Catholics don't
realize that people that have gone to the Catholic mass,
Mass just means a lot of people coming together, you know,
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a mass of people. But they their Bible study is
when they read the Gospel. Because you know, faith comes
from hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So their whole life.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
They hear a lot of the same gospel verses and
stories in chapter and verse, so that's going to have
an effect on them, even though they might not be
able to recall chapter and verse like a Baptist might.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Right.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Interesting, And then they read.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
The epistles of Paul and the same thing. You know,
those things are going to stay with them. So they
might not be able to recall the exact chapter and
verse like you know, John three sixteen or something, but
they know or you know, the twenty third Psalm or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Hey, Tom, they know it's Yeah. Sorry, Tom, I'm running
short on time here, but this is really good stuff.
I really appreciate you enlightening us today.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Hey one other thing, can I share this with you?
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You know, Jesus said, you know, to confess your sins
one to another. That's what confession is.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
People.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
The priest isn't isn't it isn't forgiving sins. It's Jesus
that forgives sins. That the priest just kind of guides
them through that. And you're supposed to confess your sins
one to another. That's very biblical.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Interesting, Tom, good stuff. Thanks for the call today. Yeah, absolutely,
we'll take more calls. We're trying to utilize this time
as an education for me and probably all of the
other listeners who are not Catholics, you know, or you
know have it's interesting, right, and this is the open
mindedness that I hope we have when we talk every afternoon,
is that we're curious about each other's lives and the
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way that we live. I am very curious about the
Catholic Church, your faith if you are a Catholic, and
what the legacy of Pope Francis is after he passed
away our time this morning at the age of eighty eight.
So call us at four oh two five five eight
eleven ten four oh two five five eight eleven ten,
and we'll talk to more of you next on news
Radio eleven ten KFAB. Emery Songer on news Radio eleven
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ten KFAB. Every church has its own traditions and rituals,
but the Catholic Church is kind of just a foreign
language to us almost in the way that it operates.
And we're trying to understand that on top of trying
to understand the legacy of this particular pope, Pope Francis,
because I know he has been a pretty polarizing and
divisive figure for some in the Catholic Church over the
(18:00):
last twelve years. And we're taking phone calls on this
four h two, five, five, eight eleven ten is the number,
and we'll start with Rick. Rick, Welcome into the show today.
What you got for me?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 7 (18:10):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yes, sir, okay.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
So there's probably more I'd like to go over, both
regarding Catholic Church in general and the Pope in particular.
I wanted to correct something. I think Tom was the
previous scholar, and he said salt massa, that's the mass
of people coming together. That's not accurate. It actually comes
from at the conclusion of the liturgy in Latin, the
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priests would say misa s which means go forth with
the mesa in the sense of going on a mission
to spread the Gospel. And so it's from that Latin
mesa that the word mass came from for the Western Church,
and Latin is still the official language. It's ecclesiastical Latin
that's somewhat different from classical Latin, and that's what all
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the official documents are written in and then translated to
the vernacular languages. This Pope well, any pope is believed
to be infallible when they're teaching appropriately according to faith
on matters of faith and morals ex cathedra, which means
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from the char of Peter making an official pronouncement. One
of the problems with this pope was doing a lot
of interviews at thirty thousand feet with journalists and they
would pay things, and those were not official pronouncements, and
folks can be wrong on things like that. This pope,
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I think he had a good heart and he was
trying to open an appeal to people and be merciful.
But also yet he turned against a lot of traditional
priests and anyone who criticized some of the things that
he did, like Cardinal Burke and several bishops that he
(19:59):
dismissed and such. And we have to remember he was
raised in South America at the time that so called
liberation theology was very prominent to Swell, and I'm sure
that sharmed his background quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Rick. It's a it's interesting perspective on this, and I'm
really glad that you called in today. Thanks for listening
to our show. Let's go to Enoch, who's on our
phone line today. What do you have for me.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Hello, Emory, I just want to say that, like pot
John Paul, this both Francis was kind of important to
all the Catholics, and like this morning, I was like,
oh no, it's someone important die and I looked up
and it was there. I was like, it appeared on
YouTube this morning. So yeah, I kind of like when
(20:48):
you when you were talking about on Friday the shooting FSU,
and like people are teenagers are crazy and sometimes it's
kind of you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, I'm with you, Enoch. Hey, I got other callers
that I'm trying to get to today. I really do
appreciate you calling in, buddy, Thanks for listening to our show.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, have a good one. Let's jump to Matt four two, five, five, eight,
eleven ten. Matt, you got some help with me on
the Catholic faith here.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Hello, thanks for taking my call. Yeah, I'm a lifelong Catholic.
And Rick had some good things to say, but I
kind of wanted to clear something up that I think
a lot of non Catholics and even some Catholics don't
understand about the Pope. Catholics do not have to agree
with everything the Pope says, so the Church has something
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called dogma, and dogma is the faith that cannot be changed,
and all Catholics are called to live according to it.
And we also have doctrine which kind of explains the church.
And as Rick said, in order to say something that
all Catholics have to abide by, the Pope has to
be speaking from the chair of Saint Peter, and Pope
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Francis rarely did that. Dogma cannot be changed by the pope.
So I think there's a misconception that the Pope kind
of just comes in and changes the church and everyone
has to follow what he says all the time, and
that's not true. He is the shepherd. We are supposed
to give him respect and take what he says seriously
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and follow along with his when he issues doctrine or
if he ever does speak from the chair of Saint Peter.
So we definitely have to give him that respect to
guide the flock. And to give an example of this,
I think there's a lot of misconceptions regarding Pope Francis
and his stance on homosexual marriage. Yea, the Catholic Church
teaches that marriages between one man and one woman there
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literally can be no other definition.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
And that's dogma.
Speaker 8 (22:47):
No pope can change that, and Pope Francis wasn't trying
to change that. He could have been a little more
careful in the way he put things, but he was
simply trying to help people understand that sinners are all
called to be saved, and that's what he meant by
homosexual people can be blessed. But he did not mean
that the church was going to start allowing marriages or something.
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I think the media really likes to misconstrue what he
says for their own agendas. I don't mean you media,
I just mean you know, no, I get and so
I think that's that's caused a lot of problems. I
don't think Pope Francis was really aware of that enough
and not being a little more particular in his words.
But but yeah, so that's kind of what I wanted
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to add in there. Dogma is something that doesn't change,
and very rarely does the pope actually speak from the
from the chair of Peter. So yeah, it's good anyway
it's going to throw that.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I appreciate it. Matt Hey, thanks for listening to
us and for calling in. Really appreciate it. Take care
but yeah, you as well, Tom, and everybody calling in
now stay with us. We'll get to you next four
h two five five eight eleven ten. You're educating me
and probably a lot of other people when you call
in and help explane not just the Catholic faith, but
the legacy of Pope Francis. Would love to hear from
you today on news Radio eleven ten KFAB and Reese
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on news Radio eleven ten KFAB specifically with this Pope,
which seemed to ruffle quite a few feathers depending on
which angle you're coming from. The phone lines are open.
We need you today for this conversation. Four O two
five five eight eleven ten is the number, and Tom
is there. Tom, welcome to the show today. What you
got for me?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Hi, Hey, great conversation, Thanks for taking my call. And
I'm not going to address specifically the Pope, but Tom
was on earlier talking about the differences between the Catholic
Church and Protestantism in general, and I would just like
to address that in a minute or so, and the
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way I see the Word of God, I'd explain it
is that, in a nutshell, the difference between I went
through twelve years of Catholic education, so I know a
little bit about what's going on there and the Catholic religion.
I love them to death. I have many family and
friends still practicing it, and I no longer am a Catholic.
(25:13):
But I came to the realization that the main point
is where are we going to be going once it's
all said and done, when we finish this life. We
all want to get to heaven, and the Catholic Church
teaches a works salvation. How much can you do and
(25:35):
can you do enough to get to heaven to know
for certain? The Word of God says that you can
know for certain if you believe in Jesus Christ as
your Lord and savior. It's by grace that we're saved
through faith, and that not of ourselves. It's a free
gift of God, not of works, lest any man should
boast so. And it is a cinipers sumption to say
(26:02):
that you can know for certain that you're going to
heaven by simply placing your faith in Jesus Christ, And
that isn't true. We're all saved by grace and not
by works, and that's the main difference the two. There's
two religions in the world The one religion is the
religions that where people are working themselves to get to heaven,
(26:25):
and when they die, you have the scales, and they're
hoping they got more good works on the one scale
than the other scale, and that'll get them into heaven. Unfortunately,
none of our good works gets us to heaven. There's
only one good work that gets us to heaven. And
we just celebrated this last weekend the work of Jesus
Christ alone. And if we place our faith in his work,
(26:47):
then we can know for certain that by grace or
saved your faith and not of ourselves. It's nothing on
our part. And Jesus said that I am the way
the truth in life. No man comes to the five
unless he goes through me. Jesus did all the work.
We just simply need to trust it. So the other faith,
(27:07):
the other faith, the other religion is a strictly a
great religion, and that's not really a religion that's man made.
It's a relationship with the Creator, God, the Lord Jesus Christ.
All the rest of religions are based on words. You
name them. It's a word salvation, Tom. I love the
people in the church, Yeah, but they're being deceived and simple.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I'm glad that you called and you had that perspective, Tom,
because it's very interesting to see how people view not
just the Catholic Church, but church in general. Thanks so
much for calling in. Really appreciate it. Yeah. Wow, Yeah,
it's pretty profound from a guy who was Catholic and
got out of the Catholic Church because he thinks that
it's just they're being deceived, because it's works based Alan's
(27:51):
on the Lineless Squeeze. Alan in here before we hit
the top of the hour, Alan, what do you think
about all this?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, Hey, the Bible also says you should work out yourself.
It is Tom's right, but it also says you should
work out your salvation in fear and trembling. In other words,
were said to do good works, not buy our good works.
And the church in the past emphasized the good works,
and it just got you know that that was the
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way to heaven through Jesus and good works. But I
think there's more of a distinction now that you know,
we're supposed to work out our salvation in fear and trembling,
and that's what they emphasize. So, because sometimes Christians get
lazy and they don't want to do things and don't
want to help or pitch in to their local church.
And there's a lot more I could add, but I
(28:41):
don't know if you know also that this Pope Francis
was not actually elected pope the last conclave. It was
the Italian cardinal that really actually won the vote, Cardinal Zicola.
You never heard this story?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well, I mean I don't really pay that much attention
to it, to be honest, because it has not to
do with me. But yeah, I mean, can you explain
real quick, like what happened?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Well, I can tell you what happened.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
They took the.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Vote and then actually it was they Cardinal z of
Cola was the one that won the vote in the conclave.
And but then the cardinals decided they didn't want to
They couldn't live with a Pope Cicola.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
So they so they changed the results.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Pop Pepsicola, Pope Sicola.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Oh come on, Alan, oh okay, come on, all right, a.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Little energy, little non denominational.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
The Yeah there you go. Hey, thanks, Alan, appreciate it.
He got me there, he got me all right, all right,
fair play then, is Barbara. We'll keep this going. We
got email three two four oh two five five eight
eleven ten. Four oh two, five five eight eleven ten
is the number if you'd like to call in and
help educate us on the Catholic faith in the legacy
of Pope Francis. The email Emery at kfa B dot com.
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