Mike Gundy's driven drunk how many times?!?!?

Episode Transcript

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Matt. We just talked to SeanCallahan in the four o'clock hour. We
talked to him about NIL the collective. One of the cool things about NIL
is once that was put into playthat is allowing an EA Sports college football
game for the PlayStation five and forthe Xbox as well. Xbox what are
we on Xbox one? Still?Is that what it is? I don't

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know. I never that's I knowalmost nothing about the Xbox. Yeah,
Xbox one, that's what it is? I think. Yeah, I don't
know. No, I don't know. Series S maybe whatever it is.
I don't care. See PlayStation justcounts up, you know, Yeah,
why did it have to be socrazy? Yeah? I want to get
this right. Xbox Series S anXbox Series S X. There's an X

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in an S. I don't knowwhat the difference is. I don't care.
I'm a PlayStation guy. Anyway,that's getting released and it's coming out
like next week, which I'm veryexcited about. Okay, that is a
thing because of NIL. Also,within IL and the schools being able to
pay the players directly with all theiradditional millions of dollars, there's this thing

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that is kind of changing where morepeople, including the coaches, or treating
the kids not as kids, butas athletes that potentially could be professional athletes.
And I've said multiple times in thelast year or so that we have
to start looking at college sports,specifically football, men's basketball, maybe even
women's basketball in summer regards not asa collegiate sport anymore, but as basically

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minor league professional athletics. It's likea development league for these athletes to then
go on to the next level.Enter Mike Gundy. If I say the
name Mike Gundy, what do youthink of I'm a man. I'm forty.
Come after me. That classic that'slike fifteen years old now or probably
more than that longtime head coach atOklahoma State, Mike Gundy. That's his

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most famous moment, but he's hadsome good moments as the head coach of
Oklahoma State. He's fifty six,so that would have been sixteen years ago.
Yeah, there you go, I'ma man. Okay. So he
was at Big twelve media Days todayand one of the storylines at Oklahoma State
had to answer is they're running backand all American by the name of Allie

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Gordon. The second was arrested fora duy on the morning of June the
thirtieth. Now, this kind offlies under the radar to people like us,
who you know, don't pay thatclose attention to Oklahoma State. If
this was happening to like say,Harper Murray, like the Nebraska volleyball player,
that's the kind of thing that youknow we're gonna hear about. But

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in Oklahoma State wasn't a big dealexcept for when he was asked specifically about
what happened. I mean, whatthat's like ten days ago, June thirtieth,
Ollie Gordon, what's his availability?You guys gonna suspend him? Well,
the answer apparently to that is no. And here is the explanation from
Oklahoma State head football coach Mike Gundyabout Allie Gordon. The second is all

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America running back getting a DUI andwhy he's not suspending. Thought, okay,
so I looked it up on myphone. What would be the legal
limit like in Oklahoma's point eight andOLI was point one. So I looked
it up and it was based onbody weight, not to get into the

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legal side of it, but Ithought, really, two or three beers
or four I'm not justifying what allI did. I'm telling you what decision
I made. That's well, Ithought, I've probably done that a thousand
times in my life, and youknow, it's just fine. So I
got lucky. People get lucky.I thought, okay, okay, So
that that's Mike Gundhy probably done thata thousand times. He says, Now,

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what do you think about that?Did he just admit to driving drunk
a thousand times? Two or threebeers or four? I'm not getting into
the legal sense of it. I'mtelling you what the decision I made,
and I had to have done thata thousand times. That's the quote there.
So what do you think, Matt, I think that? Well,

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I I don't know. I meanhe said it. I mean that was
him talking. Yeah, that's notgood. That's not good, Mike Gundhy,
he might have a drinking problem anda driving problem. That's not good.
That's very dangerous. What if hewould have said something like who hasn't
done that? Or what if youwould have said something like what this is

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literally within the last hour, Ihaven't had a lot of time to like
think about how I feel about it. Yeah, but you want to know
something we all know people who driveunder the influence under like two or three
beers. That's not right to do, But how many people have just done
that and been okay? You knowwhat I mean? I mean, I
don't want to implicate anybody in particular, and I'm not going to tell you

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have done it a thousand times,but I've definitely done it where you know,
you've had a few and you feelokay and you're just like, yeah,
I'll just drive home and nothing happens. There's also people that felt that
exact same way, got behind thewheel, swerved around a little bit,
got in a car accident, hurtsomebody, killed somebody. Right. It's
kind of like a risk reward factor, right. If I really do feel
okay and I've had a couple,who's to tell me I shouldn't be able

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to drive my car home? VersusI really feel like I feel okay,
Who's to tell me I shouldn't drivemy car home? And then I get
in a car accident. There's alot that goes with it. Though I
don't know this offhand, but Ihave to imagine that there is. There
are facts and stats and reasons whythe legal limit is set where it is.
Point oh eight. Yeah, thatand and that is Ollie Gordon,

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who he's speaking of, is ata point one. Now Ollie Gordon.
What his I think argument was isthat a point one for Alie Gordon might
feel like a point five to thepoint oh five to the rest of us.
Why is that because all he's biggerthan we are. But I thought
that's his argument. We talked aboutthis, that doesn't it's he weighs two
hundred and twenty pounds, wouldn't butso it would take him more alcohol to

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get to that point. I thought, isn't that what we decided on last
we talked about this month? Socorrect? So so point like the BAC
right, it's like point oh eightis the number legally if you are above
that, you are in trouble.If you blow that right, like if
you if you blow a point nineor higher in this case of point one,
then that's like okay, like youare that's a dui okay. If

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you blew like a point oh five, it's not do they let you get
back in the car and you driveaway. And again, like you said,
there may be other factors here,but is BAC like all body weight
related and a point one for aguy who's two hundred and twenty pounds.
Aren't there other things that could likehow much water he had drank, how
much food he had in his system. It's not all about just like what

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he blows, It's like how hefeels and how like intoxicated he feels.
Also, right, like a pointoh five for some people is too much.
I still think that we're missing thisargument right now because we'll hold that
thought good tease, Okay, I'lllet you give what the argument should be
when we come back about this verycontroversial thing that Oklahoma State football coach Mike

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Gundy said in his presser about anhour ago. I'll talk to you about
that and Matt'll give you his realperspective next right here on news that's Radio
eleven ten kfab Matt, you wereabout to lay an example on us,
so maybe we could understand why Mikemight be off the beaten path a little
bit. Here. I'm gonna putmy community college degree to work here and
my ten percent mathematician hat on.Okay, I think I'm gonna Here's what

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I'm gonna do. I'm gonna giveMike Gundy the benefit of the doubt that
he hasn't driven drunk a thousand timesand saying maybe he's just getting the math
confused, maybe because is he sayingI've had three or four beers and then
driven home a thousand times? Oris he saying which he wouldn't know this
unless he's been pulled over a thousandtimes or has a breathalizer in his car,
yeah, Or is he saying thathe's been breathalyzed at point one a

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thousand times and might find a driveon right. My guess is now,
I don't know how big Mike Gundyis. He was a quarterback in college.
I don't know what his size is. He's definitely not as slim as
he was back in his college days, so maybe we can put him over
the two twenty. Also, surely, if he's dranking three or four beers
in a public setting thousand a thousandtimes, he certainly, you know,

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has a higher tolerance. I don'tknow if tolerance has anything to do with
blood alcohol content. I'm not surewith that. So I think the issue
here is that three or four beersto someone who is two hundred and twenty
pounds could just be one beer tosomeone who is one hundred and twenty pounds.
It all has to do with bloodalcohol content, because my guess is
what's been determined is once enough bloodis once enough alcohol is in your blood

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stream, that impacts your ability yourresponse time. Whenever you're operating a large
motor vehicle. It's the same reasonwhy you can't take certain prescription drugs and
operate machinery or motor vehicles and thingslike that. Change is the way that
you react, right, and itimpacts your reaction time, and that's what
this is about. So regardless ofhow much you drink, regardless of your

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size, if you have an overthe limit BAC, that means that you
are illegally driving because it's been determinedthat your reaction time is delayed at a
certain BAC level. So again I'mgonna give Mike the benefit of the doubt.
That he's saying I've had three orfour beers a thousand times and driven
home. That may not mean thathe's testing above the point eight. I

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hope that's what he's saying, becauseif you're saying it's okay to drive home
at point one because I've done ita thousand times, yesh. But that
but is that does that now soundlike a is that not sounding like an
excuse to not suspend his best player? Well one d percent either way it
is, yeah, yeah, butit doesn't it sound like, well that
point one is not that big adeal, because that's what it sounds like

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based on that, whether or nothe like he's justifying it through his experiences,
which we are questioning. If you'vehad two or three beers in an
hour, it's a lot different thantwo or three beers over like three hours.
It's just weird that somebody would outloud say something like that, And
I guess that's that's a little bitmore of where my brain is at.
It's like, you're either justifying thisor you're not. You're not coming up

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with the same number I suppose ofof the BAC based on the number of
drinks. It's about the reaction time. So obviously Mike Gundy probably should have
just pled the fifth on that.I'm guessing we're jumping out in front of
this quite quickly because he said thesewords not even an hour ago at the
big twelve media day, so you'regoing to be hearing a lot of people

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probably have a reaction to this.But that's what we're talking about. Right
now. Of course, if yougot some thoughts on the justification of this,
or you have some thoughts on whatMike Gundy is probably going to be
facing from a very cancel culture happyAmerican public these days, especially after the
I'm a man, I'm a fortything that probably would have gone even more

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viral had he have waited five yearsto have that, you know, tirade,
because social media would have been athing by then. You can go
ahead and call us four h twofive five eight eleven ten. Four H
two five five eight eleven ten.And also, hey, you know what,
is he going to say the samething if we're talking about anybody else
on his team and not the guywho won literally the best running back of
the year in college football last year. This is quite literally the best college

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football player at his position last year. I think the conversation probably goes a
little different if it's somebody else.But we'll continue this conversation next on news
Radio eleven ten kfab Eh Maurice Sungeron news Radio eleven ten kfab I'm gonna
play this for you, and again, this is at media day for the
Big twelve. So my gundhi isthe football coach at Oklahoma State, longtime

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head coach there. He's most notablefor what he's most notable for the rant
that he went on. He saidseen years ago. Okay, I was
seven or eight somewhere in there,and he said what he said, I'm
a man, I'm Ford exactly.I think everybody's probably heard that at least
one time. Well, he's stillthe head coach, and he's got an
All American running back by the nameof Ollie Gordon the second. Ollie Gordon
the Second was also the Doke WalkerAward winner, which means last year he

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was the best running back in collegefootball. Well, he got arrested for
a duy on the thirtieth of June, less than two weeks ago. Mike
brought him to media days. Bythe way, I we'll talk about that
in a second and what that means. But Mike was asked, well,
why haven't you suspended Olie Gordon forwhat he did? And here was what

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Mike Gundy had to say about that. First, I thought, okay,
so I looked it up on myphone. What would be the legal limit
like in Oklahoma's point oh eight andOllie was point one. So I looked
it up, and it was basedon body weight. Not to get into
the legal side of it, butI thought, really, two or three

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beers or four. I'm not justifyingwhat all I did. I'm telling you
what decision I made. That's whatI thought. I've probably done that a
thousand times in my life, andand you know, it's just fine.
So I got lucky. People getlucky. Okay, So there's that.
Wow, I've done that a thousandtimes, which is fine. I got

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lucky, people get lucky. Idon't know if I need more context to
that, but it's definitely weird messaging. We're talking to you about this out
our phone line for two five eighteleven ten. We have Brian on the
phone line. Brian, we appreciateyou for calling. What is on your
mind today, Well, first ofall, you got to remember those kinds
of football coach. He's not amathematician, he's not a scientist. So

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that whole thing with the vac like, it's your concentration of alcohol in the
blood. It doesn't matter how bigor how little you are. It's the
concentration of alcohol in your blood.It's going to vary based on how many
drinks you have, and how muchyou weigh, right, Yeah, but
other than that, no, it'sthat's it, Like your concentration is just
concentration. But here's my thing.So I spent a good amount of time

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in the Navy. I've had severalshipmates of mind that you know, made
the mistakes when decided to go drinkingand or even if they were at the
house, decided to go grab apack of cigarettes, got pulled over,
got a dui. I have Ihave one in particular, as was some

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years back. But he has likeone beer. He was in San Diego,
changed lines without in turn signal,got pulled over. He blew like
a point oh four. He gotnot a dui, but DWI. So
driving well impaired. Okay. Thenext day he shows up to the command
and he's getting busted down, lostto pay grade, has to pay half

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his months, half his must payfor two months. And he didn't even
blow over the limit. Jeez.So why are we allowing these football players,
just because they're good right to beheld to less of a standard as
far as conduct goes than you know, anybody else. Yeah, and that's
a great question. I mean,obviously they're not professionals, even though they

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are treated more like professionals they everhave been before. So it's all in
the school to make that determination.And I guess his punishment. According to
Mike Gundy, he answered a differentquestion. I didn't play this clip,
but he said, if anything's goingto punish him, it's going to be
me handing him the ball fifty timesthe first game. It's like, how's
that going to teach him anything?I think he's probably enjoyed that. Brian,

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this is good. Thank you somuch for giving us your perspective on
this. Welcome David's on a phoneline of four h two five five eight
eleven ten. David, welcome tothe show today. What are you thinking
about? Thanks for having me.Yeah, well, let me preface what
I'm going to say by saying that. I mean, of course, not
only is it not legal, butit's not wise. It's not smart to
get behind the wheel of a vehiclewhen you're over the limit. Okay,

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you know, we'll establish that MikeGundy done that a thousand times. I'm
sure that was hyperbole, but I'msure he's done it quite a few times
in his life, have I Butand so it's kind of one of those
you know, let he who waswithout sindcast the first own kind of thing,
but also the thing I was goingto say, though, a person's

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tolerance, although legally it doesn't playinto it, does I think have a
bearing. For example, I mean, I am six' one about two twenty
five, and I can and havehad like three or four like Bourbon and
Cox. I have driven home andI've I don't lose It takes quite a
bit of alcohol for me to beginto lose my faculties, basically, is

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what I'm saying. I've even drivenhome with police cruisers just kind of in
traffic with me and behind me andaround me. I've never been pulled over.
I've never had a problem. Butmy wife, on the other hand,
if go somewhere for taco Tuesday nightand she sits on half of a
margarita, I'm going to probably haveto throw her over my shoulder and carry
her out of the restaurant, becauseit's almost She's almost like the if you've

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ever seen the old Bruce Willis movieBlind Date. I mean, she just
has a little bit of alcohol andshe just gets loopy and stupid, you
know. And so people, differentpeople have different tolerances for what they can
handle too. Yeah, and again, I this is why it's difficult to
even know, like the thought ofwhat he's talking about here, because certainly

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three or four beers for him versusthree or four beers for a twenty year
old who's not even legally able todre who was pulled over for a point
on another issue. Yeah, yeah, I feel like those are completely different
things. But again, I'm notgonna it's just weird to try to justify
it by trying to compare it toyour own personal behavior when you're you know,

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almost three times the guy's age.It's just it's an interesting perspective.
But you're right, I mean,everybody handles that differently. Measuring it by
drinks specifically is probably the wrong wayto go. Appreciate the call, David,
thanks for your first number. Somewhere'sthat number somewhere and they probably figured,
okay, at this certain point iswhere most people tend to lose their
faculties or whatever, and that's maybewhere they said it there. But you

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know, sure, hey, David, appreciate the call, Thanks for listening
to us. Yeah, no,for sure, it makes sense. We'll
get got another Brian on the line. Brian, thanks for listening to the
show. What are you thinking about? Yeah, So, just to kind
of relate it to what the otherguy, the guy last previous caller mentioned
is that, you know, I'vebeen pulled over in the past and I

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was it. It's back in whenyou could do point one was was limit
and I blue point zero ninety nineand the cops said, that's the closest
I've ever seen anybody. But youknow, by the grace of God,
I could have been arrested and it'sjust a minute amount war and I would
have been, you know, themost terrible person in the world. But
because I was this point zero zeroone, off of that, I was

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perfectly fine. And I think that'swrong. There needs to be some gradiation
where you can blow. It's differentif you blow from point eight to point
one, You're still could have beenthat gray area, and it should be
like speeding. The more that you'reover, there should be more consequences having
this black and white. And ifyou're showing a very obvious evidence of having

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losing your facilities and your ability tonavigate your vehicle, then that should be
that should be a factor. Solike you should have multiple points and maybe
it's not the end of the world. If you're point eight one, it's
not the end of the world,you know what I mean? Yeah,
I guess, Brian. The argumentthat you're going to probably hear from people
is that there certainly are going tobe people out there that are like well

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below that at point oh four,point oh five, that probably are losing
it even more than a person thathas a little bit higher tolerance that might
blow like a point one too.My question to you would be, does
this does it solve the problems thatno matter what you have a point oh
one or a point oh one,if you have any alcohol in your system
at all, if you're pulled over, that should count as a DUI Does

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that solve a lot of these problems? I guess, And then we can
go on a gradient. I don'tthink so. I don't think so because
I think what it means what thedifference is is that there's other drugs out
there too. That's another factor isnow we're all very focused on alcohol,
but there's a lot of other drugspeople are taking. I'm not an advocate
of that, but I think thatwe're becoming very lenient on let's say marijuana,

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or whatever. But now we're we'restill like focused on that alcohol and
that point. It used to bepoint one and ounce point oh eight,
and you know, I just thinkthat there needs to be some allowance for
you know, maybe it's not theend of the world. At point eight.
You're still going to give a ticket, but you're not going to lose
your license. You know, you'renot going to have all of this sucks

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because people like military people can getbusted down at a grade and it's it's
a it's a huge travesty. Thekind of consequence is that young kids,
especially if they're in the military orwhatever, have to face for this minor
infractions. In my estimation, No, and I understand where you're coming from,
Brian, I think it's just kindof a dangerous thing. Knowing that

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there have been so many fatal accidentsof intoxicated drivers that I think you're going
to have a better argument to Grady. Like the grading idea with this,
like comparing it to speeding, Ithink makes a lot of sense. But
if you're going to actively or accuratelydo that, you really kind of just
have to say anything at all isprobably illegal. Like I just don't know

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how it would work if we justlike, it's gonna be arbitrary no matter
what, if we just pick anumber on point oh eight to be the
legal you're impaired. Certainly, ifyou're impaired and you're a point five or
you know, to your point,if you're impaired, you could have any
level of alcohol. I believe theycan give you a ticket if you're impaired,
they could give you a sobriety test, and if you fail that,
you're still going to get a drunkendriving ticket. But you know, maybe

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your point has the merit that yougo down lower and then it's like and
then it's like, ah, youknow, it's like a speeding ticket,
right, you're gonna get one pointtwo point three points off whatever, Brian,
I appreciate your call, man,thanks for listening. Yep, uh
yeah, there. I mean certainlythere could be merit to that as well,
but uh, you know what,I don't think we'd have as much
to worry about maybe, uh problemwise, if we were in all America
running back. I think that's themoral of this story. Five forty eight.

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We wrap things up next on newsradio eleven ten kfa B. What
movie do you think could use anothersequel? Are there so many to choose
from? Forrest gup, Uh not, No, it's this one already has
a sequel, Like, like,what what movie series that has at least
already two movies? Do you thinkis most likely to get another one?

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Oh? A movie that needs athird or a fourth or a fifth?
I about Dumb and Dumber er ervthe dumbest movie of all times? Dumb
and dumb and dumb and dumber?Yeah? Uh no? How about Shrek?
They already did? Wow, Shrekfive coming to theaters July first,

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twenty twenty six. I thought therewas a Shrek five. Well. Puss
and Boots had two movies that werespin offs, by the way, the
first Puss in Boots, which isyou know, like twelve thirteen years old
now, awesome movie. Apparently.The new one I haven't seen yet but
is a really good one too,called The Final Wish. I love Puss
and Boots. That's you know AntonioBenbaris as Puss and Boots. I don't

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It doesn't look like he's going tobe in this. They're promoting Mike Myers,
Eddie Murphy, and Cameron Diz starring. They got the cast back together.
So those are the main three peoplefrom the first four. But yeah,
Shrek five didn't. We were gonnaget another one of those. We're
gonna get a Shrek five, butwe got to wait a couple of years
because opening July first, twenty twentysix, I think we got audio from

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Shrek at how he feels about beingpulled out of his cave for the fifth
time. Oh that's great, Ihad the drop. Yeah. Hey,
well, look, for some reason, they made a movie about an ogre
at the turn of the millennium,and for some reason they just keep coming
back to it. Because DreamWorks can'tthink of anything else to do. They
made like four Kung Fu Panda movies. I guess, so for wherever that's

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worth. Yeah, those were alot worse than Shrek is all right.
Anyway, two o'clock tomorrow. We'lldo that Hla story tomorrow too. Talk
to you then. Emory Songer,Matt Case News Radio eleven to ten kfab