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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And as we bring Sean in, here's a couple of
things first before I bring Sean in. It's a bit
of a traumatizing day if you're also an Iowa State
fan trying to deal with the possibility of your head
football coach taking the Penn State job. Sean, you've seen
a lot of this stuff in your day as well.
(00:21):
I guess is this the right hire for Penn State
considering what their current circumstances are.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, I actually think it's a great hire for Penn State.
I mean, considering what's happened in the last couple of weeks.
And here you've got a guy that's been a three
time Big Twelve Coach of the Year, played in two
Big Twelve championship games, with far fewer resources than what
you would ever have. And I always thought Matt Campbell
would only leave or Iowa State for about five jobs.
(00:51):
And it was like notre name, Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska,
and a job like Penn State. I never you know,
I think any other job for him, Like he wasn't
going to like take the Kentucky job or you know,
just like some random SEC job that this wasn't a
fit for him, And this job to me makes sense
for him. Now. The challenge will be he's never really
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had to recruit high grade players, like you know, the
foreign five star market and deal with those types of
recruits because Iowa State generally recruits more of a three
star type guy and develops them. And they'll still do that,
I'm sure at Penn State, but you know, between the
transfer portal and that, like, it's going to be a
whole different level of business than a guy like Campbell's
probably been used to. And how will he transition to
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that type of college football because you know, you got
to school in Iowa State that has said they can't
even pay the full repshare amount because it's too much
money for their budget. Where you know, Penn State is
going to obviously go as big as you want, but
it's hard to manage that and know how to do
it right. So that will be you know, if he
takes this job and it's official, I don't think it's
official yet. You're still getting an ironed out right yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Not official, But what I will say is this is,
you know, as an Iowa State guy, they spent ten
years of Matt Campbell, the rumors of him going to
a bigger, better, more lucrative job started in twenty seventeen
when he led Iowa State to the Liberty Bowl and
had them really on the radar for the first time
in several years. And this has never felt this serious
(02:18):
until right now. So obviously he's seeing this as a
challenge he wants to attack, and good for him. Does
Matt Rule regret how his situation took place? Because I think,
based on Penn State struggled to find a guy who
would take this job because all of their other top
candidates seem like they doubled down in the places they were.
(02:40):
Did Matt Rule, especially with the way the season ended,
do you think that he would do his situation over again.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
No, Look, it's not about the money, because he's well
compensated here. I mean, he's got a seventy one and
a half million dollars guarantee buyout now in Nebraska in
terms of his contract, So it's not about the money.
And I think for him it's his family. He's got
two young girls that are in fourth and sixth grade
and they just have been, you know, acclimated in Nebraska,
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and I think for him it's important to have his
family here and you know, keep keeping kind of a
consistency two things. And you know, he knows what Penn
State's all about. He lived there, he's been there, and
it's it's you know, just I don't know if he
I think he gave it more thought and decided this
is obviously where he wants to be and we'll see
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where it goes from there. But yeah, the Penn State situation, yeah,
I think they came out of this about as well
as they could considering where things were out about forty
eight hours ago.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, no doubt. Sean Calley and joining us. So that
is happening over there in State College. The stuff that's
happening here in Nebraska. The best way to describe the
Nebraska's signing day is.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
What I mean, the best way to describe it is
they had a limited grocery list and they weren't able.
They didn't really go out and spend all their money
on high school players. And they have spent a lot
of money on this roster already, and the plan moving
forward is some portal money. It needs to be available
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for what you do come portal times. So it is
what it is. I mean, it took ten guys. It's
the smallest class that they've ever brought. I don't think
it ever would have gotten any bigger than twelve or thirteen.
I think it was always going to be about this number.
But you know, they weren't just going to take guys
to take guys. We have one hundred and five man
roster limit now in college football. They're currently at one
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hundred and twenty five players on this year's team, and
you can be over for a couple of years. But yeah,
I think they're transitioning that too. Is as far as
kind of the future of how college rosters and things
are going to go, and you're just going to see
more and more teams I think take less high school
recruits and then have kind of as many portal recruits
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as well every year.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So is this a sustainable model considering the circumstances We
just talked about Iowa State, who has very limited financial
resources and that would make them a less attractive position,
and who the heck knows what the future of college
football is when you're not in the big tent or
the SEC. We're talking about Penn State, who seemingly has
buckets and buckets and buckets of resources that they can
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literally throw into their football program because that's what they
care about. And I know that's what Nebraska cares about too,
but it is kind of stark to see where they
landed on the you know, the signing day ranking list, right,
And I don't want to I don't know what publications
are accurate on this, and I don't even know how
much it matters these days because so many guys are
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three star, two star guys that turn into really good players.
But it does feel like there was you know, Nebraska
did not have a great signing class as a relations
to just building new recruits. And I'm thinking of one
high school team that's not far away from where you
and I are sitting that had how many Division one
players and not a single one of them signed to Nebraska.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well, the thing again, the numbers and recruiting rankings. It's
simple math, Like your class grows in ranking by your
number of commits. When you only have ten commits, you
know you don't have a full class. So like in
a ranking system, you're not going to be ranked very high.
If Nebraska took twenty recruits, they would have been ranked
in the top twenty five. I mean, that's just kind
of how it always works. It took ten, so that's
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why they're farther down now in the Miller South Point. Yeah,
you make a great point. You know, Jet Tamala didn't
even get his first Division one offer until January of
this year. Dayton Ryola was committed to Nebraska in September
of last year, so it it just you know, they
already had the quarterback and they have Trey Taylor already
locked up for twenty twenty seven, so that that is
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kind of you know, the one guy they did recruit
on that team with Isaac Jensen, the tight end he's
going to Missouri. Nebraska got Luke sore Andon and that
was the guy that really wanted. I mean, he's at
an Anaheim survey. They were only going to take one
tight end. Mario Jackson, very good receiver going to Iowa State,
ran a four to seven at Nebraska's camp. They just
didn't think a four to seven speed receiver when they
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clocked him on their own watches was going to be
what they needed. And met Role would have loved to
offer him, but he has to look at it like
if I can only take two high school receivers per year,
you know we have to look at all the metrics
in the data points. You know, Illinois is the only
team that really you know, Nelson Wheeler is at Illinois,
and you know, we'll see how that works out there.
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I mean it just you can go down the line
and Ben Segren's going to Illinois as a six two
six three lineman. You know you can find those guys.
So those aren't hard recruits to find. I mean in recruiting,
you can go a lot of different ways on how
you build your classes. But defensive ends, offensive tackles, quarterbacks,
I mean, those are the premium positions that you have
to go out and find. And again, how many of
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those guys at Iowa offer? I mean, I look at
who's offered these guys too. Iowa State is not as
good as a Nebraska offer. Yes, they've had some better results,
but the Big twelve is a different level right now
than the Big Ten, and they don't have the money
to pay as well. So they take more high school
guys and hopefully develop them. But then a school like
Nebraska Big ten schools can take those players if they
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get too good. That's the model that we're in now.
It'll be interesting to follow, but I don't overreact like
you kind of were on that Millard South thing. I'm
just doing this long enough to know, like, if they're
good enough, they'll end up at Nebraska or a Big
Ten school regardless down the road. Just the way the
transfer portal and things will work in the future of
college football.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, it's a good point, and that's why I ask
you these questions, even though you know, just the visual
of that happening literally like fifteen minutes from where I'm sitting,
and not a single one of those guys who and
they did their signing days altogether. And you see Army,
you see you know, obviously Alabama, you see all these
different schools from these different conferences around the country, including
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Iowa State was one of them. You know, I don't know,
it's just it's interesting to see this now. You mentioned
all this. I talked to you earlier this week about
the way that we finished the regular season, a couple
of losses that did not feel competitive really at all
after the first half, and we're waiting for our bowl game.
We're seeing you mentioned the money, you mentioned the changing
(09:23):
status of you know, like how player movement is taking
place in this day and age, talking about just how competitive.
Everything is in the Big Ten. Specifically, what is the
state of this program going into the bowl game and
what do you need to see over the next few
weeks before that takes place to feel like, yes, we
(09:44):
did take this step forward that so many of the
Big Red fans were hoping to see in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, bowl games are hard because Emma Johnson's not playing now.
He's the best player of the team by far, and
he's opted out to get ready for the NFL Draft,
and nobody's surprised of that. Dylan Ryol is out, t
O ts has got a handstring injury. Rocko Spinlern, arguably
their best offensive lineman, is out. So I don't know
if you can look at the bowl game and freak
(10:11):
out if they win or lose the bowl game. I
think it's going to be a great opportunity for development
extra practices, But I think now with opt outs and
other things that go on, you can't get too emotional
about the bowl game one way or the other. We
will find out Sunday officially where they go. Everything we
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hear and internally at Nebraska they're they're pretty much prepared
to go to Las Vegas and play Utah, which will
be an extremely difficult matchup. But now Utah is gonna
have some opt outs and guys too, So that's the
hard part. Like last year, Nebraska had no opt outs
and Boston College two best players opted out of the
bowl game. One was the right tackle and one was
a defensive end. You take those guys out of the
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game and made that game a lot more manageable for
Nebraska to handle Boston College and New York City. But
I think you can't. You just got to look at
next week when practices start. Anyone that is going to
enter the transfer portal will probably or intend to will
probably not practice. So this weekend and Monday is kind
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of a big mile marker on maybe some future decisions
of roster players. And some of those decisions for players
could be driven by simply their meetings of the general
manager and kind of what their financial standing is on
the team and they don't like it and they they
might move on. Some might be guys not playing and
want to play more. So you'll see some of these
things play out probably over the next couple of days
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before the team actually begins their first true bowl practice,
and they're going to basically practice all week and like
Monday through Friday next week, So I think a lot
of this will play out by that time.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Sean Callahan with US you mentioned Emma Johnson. That was
last point I was going to make opting out of
the Bowl game and preparing for the NFL draft. Running
backs and you could attest to this, they have the
probably the shortest lifespan of or career span, if you will,
of any position in the National Football League. The less
snaps you have to do to get to the league,
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the better off you're going to be to at least
have some longevity there. We've seen guys fall off as
early as age twenty five to twenty six that were
really good backs. What kind of future do you think
he has? And you know, is he a guy that
we're going to be seeing him getting the kind of
carries that we saw at Nebraska this year, a true
bell cow type running back who can also be a
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factor in the passing game. This guy could very well
end up, you know, going to the first three or
four rounds.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Right. Yeah. You know the thing about running back is
the average career running back is like three years in change.
I mean, it's very hard for NFL running back to
play longer than four years or three years in the NFL,
So that I think went into it. You know, I
heard an interview with a Mira Abdullah earlier this year
where he said he is I almost regret playing that
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extra year of college instead of coming out because of
all the extra hits. I mean, if if Emma Johnson returns,
you know, you bank on three hundred more touches for him,
and that's a lot of hits on your body. I
mean that those your body. You paid a bill on
that over time, and so I think that went into
a Yeah, like he could make a lot of money
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coming back to Nebraska, maybe more money than he would
as an NFL rookie, But what about the next three
years after that? So I do think you have to
look at it if you want to be a pro.
You essentially had the best running back year arguably of
anybody in the country. So I don't know how your
stock can't be any higher. What will hold him back
potentially would be like how he runs his forty. You
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would hope that emmittt can run in the four fives.
I don't know if he's a four or four guy,
but whatever is forty time is will probably be a
big piece of kind of where he falls in the
draft and how high he can go in the draft.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
It is going to be interesting and definitely guy, we're
going to be rooting for. What a season he had.
Sean Callahan or Husker Great to chat with you, as always, Sean,
really do appreciate it. Last thing tonight, obviously we like
the Huskers this weekend in volleyball to take care of business.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Oh yeah, you got well, you got the volleyball this
weekend and then basketball on Sunday. So the Creighton Nebraska
game and PBA is in the Electric four o'clock tip.
You know, no Husker football, but we've got volleyball Friday,
Saturday and basketball on Sunday. It's going to be a
great weekend here Lincoln.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And when was the last time that Husker men's basketball
teams lost the game? It's been a while.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Huh yeah the Iowa game actually, and that was their
last loss in the regular season last year they lost
the last game of the year to Iowa.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Wow, that was a long time ago. Good for them. Sean,
as always, really do appreciate it. Thanks so much for
being on the show.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Hey, thanks guys, appreciate it,