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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I did a car wash already today for my car, okay,
and mowed my lawn nice and then accidentally fell back
to sleep and slept for twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
That's like a solid middle aged man day, right there.
Don't you just hate that got a car wash, mowed
the lawn, took an impromptu accidental nap.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
And then had to come back to work. Yeah right, Yeah,
not great that the nap that is messed with me.
I'll be honest, but I'm here, I am ready to go.
I'm having a good time. There's no doubt to me
if there's a person on this planet that is grateful
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to be alive and have the chance to breathe and
experience what to experience, even if I'm a little catching
back up to my life after being under the weather
for the better part of the last week.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It's me.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I'm the guy. I'm incredibly grateful. At the same time,
there is a responsibility I think that we have here
to talk about what today is going to mean, maybe
for the rest of forever. October seventh, twenty twenty three,
was a day where we learned of atrocities being committed
in Israel by a terrorist group called Hamas they went
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into Israel's borders as Israel kind of caught with their
pants down, if you will, not paying attention even though
there was a seemingly a threat that was ongoing there,
and Hamas was able to execute a initiative essentially where
they killed twelve hundred Israeli civilians and then took another
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two hundred plus around two hundred and fifty people hostage.
That kick started what has become an ongoing war there
where somehow the public outcry has been against Israel and
their ability to defend themselves, then it has been for say,
the terrorists who started this in the first place and
continued to behind civilian lives. So I figure what we
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could do today is we could talk about what we've learned,
because it's not just about Okay, yeah, this is happening,
because of course it's happening. We know what's happening. We've
been talking about it pretty much with some consistency for
the last twelve months. What have we learned, though, What
are we seeing? Is there something with this specific situation?
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Is there something where we can try to not let
this happen again in the future, Is there something that
we can expect moving forward? Now that we seemingly are
closer to an all out regional war, with Iran more
directly getting involved. Well, the phone lines are open and
my email is open. How do you get a hold
of me? Call us at four oh two five five
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eight eleven ten. Four h two five five eight eleven ten.
You can also email Emery at kfab dot com. We'd
love to talk to you about this and commemorate the
one year anniversary of what really is the most notable
legitimate war. Of course, we have Russian Ukraine that's a
legitimate war as well, but in terms of us having
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some level of allegiance, we are much more closely related
to this one directly than we are Ukraine, despite how
many resources we're sending to Ukraine as well. I just
kind of want to talk about what it means and
what we've learned and what we think is going to
happen next, and you can be part of the conversation
at four O two five five eight eleven ten. Four
oh two five five eight eleven ten. You can email
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Emery E. M. E. R Y at kfab dot com.
NewsRadio eleven ten, Kfab.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Emory Sunger on news Radio eleven ten, KFAB remember.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
The day because it was a weekend where this happened
a year ago. You remember when we came back, you know,
it was just kind of shocking to have to talk
about this Israel a moss thing. I felt a little
like you're kind of living in a different reality. But
I was reading and listening in school when you were
growing up. Did you learn much about the start of
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World War One?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
A little bit? And then I've kind of just on
my own done a fair amount of it's just curiosity.
I've listened to some really good watched and listened to
some really good information about it, you know, read some
good information about it.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, it I think we don't know. I think we
don't We haven't looked how even one hundred years ago,
you know, a little over a hundred y ago when
that started. That was kind of a ticking time bomb,
because if you look at the borders of Europe when
that happened. Yeah, I mean, it's not even close to
the same as what it ended up being even twenty
years later. For World War Two.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Powder keg didn't it wasn't that the term they used
for it back then. It was a powder keg just
waiting for a spark.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And it was Austria Hungary, who I think we look
at Austria and Hungary now is just kind of like
a me. But they actually had a ton of land
in quite a bit of power, and they were allies
with Germany at the time, and they had land that
a lot of Serbs and Serbian people were living in
right on the order of Serbia at the time. And
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then Serbia, well, let's just say they didn't quite like
arts do Cranz Ferdinand too much, and they decided that they,
you know, the way they were going to show at
their displeasure for the current situation in Austria Hungary was
when he was visiting down in that area of Austria
Hungary near the Serbian border, they were going to try
to eliminate him. And then they did, and that basically
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started a war between Serbia and Austria Hungary. And then
everybody else decided they were going to kind of jump
in because it was like, yeah, I could use more stuff,
I want more land. We haven't had a good war
in a while. And then World War Two, which literally
came it was about to blast off about twenty not
even twenty years after World War One ended, which kind
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of is crazy to think about, right, how quickly the
regime change in Italy, the regime change in Germany rekindled
a lot of angst and anger in the wake of
how the original World War One and the Treaty of
Versailles and all that stuff, how that was executed and
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within twenty years an age generation of people passed and
they were ready to go after it again. We've had
wars in Korea Vietnam which we were directly involved in,
which I know is incredibly polarizing for a lot of
people to this day about our involvement in that war,
even sixty years after the fact. You have certainly the
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War on Terror. You have the Cold War, which was
happening for decades in the wake of World War Two?
Am I naive for just thinking that this is something
that old colonial imperialism is all about? Is it naive
for me to wonder why this continues to happen when
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it's pretty much over the entire world's history there have
been wars like this. This one is weird because of
the religious implications World War War. In World War Two,
there wasn't necessarily a lot of religious implications at stake
when it started. There might have been parts of those wars,
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and there were genocides within each of those wars in
different countries or different empires where genocides happened. So I'm
not disputing racial or religious aspects of those conflicts, but
most of the beginning of the conflicts themselves started with
a person or a leader oppressing certain people or generally
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being disliked, and an angsty group of people trying to
overthrow their current government, and then it just kind of
explodes after that. And that goes for basically every single
thing that we talked about, except the War on Terror,
which we were drug into by Osama bin Laden and
al Qaeda, and you know, we all remember that. So
I sit here as a younger person of society that
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hasn't been around for anything other than the War on
tear and what's going on right now. I'm a big
fan of history. I've read a lot about the Revolutionary
War and the Civil War and the wars that we
were directly involved in here, plus trying to learn as
much about the wars that have happened that have been
long historical wars over in Europe and Asia, and I
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feel like it's naive of me, and maybe even US
as a society to expect somebody like Israel to not
defend themselves, or even better yet, expect the people around
or the countries around, even though we know that they are,
as far as we are concerned, the bad guys, for
them to stop trying to get that land back. Does
that make sense? Am I articulating that in a way
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that makes sense as somebody who probably doesn't have a
full grasp of Hey, you know the masculinity thing that
you know, all of these leaders that have started these
world wars in the past, how that kind of happened?
How are you going to stop that? How is that
just going to stop existing in different parts of the world.
You look at Putin that war started because he was
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just like, I would kind of want Ukraine. I'd like
to just kind of take that back. If that's not
an imperialist viewpoint from one hundred years ago that everyone
had in Europe. Basically, I don't know what is. I
don't know what is. George Washington himself said that we
should be neutral in all foreign wars. If you go
back and kind of go back to his presidency and
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kind of what he thought, I don't know if he
foresaw exactly what was going to happen around the world.
But we've been pretty pretty darn involved in pretty much
every world conflict since or inception.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I would to foresee it. All you would have had
to do is look back, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Where I mean, those guys were fighting a war, I
mean Washington. How did him you know, how he got
his military experience in the Seven Years War fighting for
the British ah in our country? Right? Well, what would
become our country, which was you know, all being overrun
by you know, Spanish and French government officials trying to
take as much of it as possible this country specifically,
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just imperialism. Is this country? Go back four hundred, five
hundred years. Take a look at what the map looked like.
There wasn't a permanent white settlement on this country's land
until sixteen oh seven, Okay, just throw that out there.
And as soon as soon as all that happened, you know,
France was showing up, and the Portuguese were in the waters,
and the piracies and South America. I mean, I just
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feel like maybe I got too lulled into the idea
that hey, maybe we all could coexist with each other.
This whole world piece hippie thing that just doesn't seem
to ever have any grounds in actual reality when you
look back at the history of the world. Therefore, how
is this going to end without a clear winner? I
mean we in some ways they may have just been
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getting started over there.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Has it ever? Has it ever been like this before?
I don't think it has, But I want to ask
that question out of my own naiveness naivete been this way?
How to this degree of fighting? Because I'm in the
Middle East specifically since I was a kid, I've known
that there has been groups that have been waging war
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against each other there over a land that is considered
holy land by two different and distinct religions, and they.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
That are all over there. I mean, there was a
Christian presence there for a while as well, not necessarily
a violent one, but that's kind of out of the window.
I mean, from everything that we hear, there's not really
much of a Christian presence there at all. Now. A
lot of Christians who were living in Israel are gone
now for whatever reason, and we've had people call in
and talk about Israel being, you know, kind of unfriendly
to that part of religion as well, that's a great question.
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Has it always been this level? I think the answer
is probably yes. But how far do we have to
go back? Probably not. Since Israel has been a thing
since post World War Two, I would guess this has
got to be the most serious it's been since then,
at least you'd think. But again, we'd have to have
somebody with a little bit more historical understanding of that region, specifically,
which has got quite a checkered history in and of
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itself that goes back literally to the beginning of mankind.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
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