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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Back here News Radio eleven ten kfab Emery songer with
you last night. I told you I had an opportunity
to go see the brand new show at the Orpheum
Peter Pan, a story so many people know and so
certainly you have seen or understood an adaptation of. But
now it's on the stage here in Omaha throughout the
rest of the week, and we're joined by a couple
of the stars. Cody Garcia plays Captain Hook and mister Darling. Cody,
(00:24):
thanks so much for being here today.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
And a person that you're going to share the stage
with is Kurt Perry, who's Smee, the Lovable Smee joining
us in the studio as well. Kurt, thanks so much
for being here as well.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Again, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Okay, I got to, uh, let's unpack Captain Hook first.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, what up?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
What up?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Well? Captain Hook is like the great villain, right and he's.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
The greatest of all time?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, he's got a song about it and everything.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Uh, Captain Hook.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Captain Hook, what's your relationship with the with Peter Pan
in general? And did you like you can tell you
have a passion for being Hook on the stage in
the way that you perform this. What's your relationship with Hook?
I love playing Gaptain Hook.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I think it's so fun because I'm also just like wow,
I can't believe they're letting me do this.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
This is insane. But I also so this.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Peter Pan is one of the stories that gets done
over and over and over, and it's been getting done
over and over since.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Nineteen oh one.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It's been a very popular story. So I wanted to
give people a version of Captain Hook they haven't necessarily
seen before. And we're the creative team, Lonnie Price, There's
a Fast Horse who are absolutely amazing. They decided to
update the story and so it doesn't take place in
Victorian England so that kids nowadays will probably feel a
little more connected to it. And they're hoping that anyone
(01:40):
who sees it, any child who sees it, can feel
like they can look out their window and see Peter
Pan flying by. So gone are the accents, the English accents,
and gone are the old ways of speaking. And so
I just wanted to give people a version of Hook
Yeah that they weren't necessarily going to see before. Because
this story gets done so much because there is no
way that there is nothing that says there is a
(02:02):
way that Hook is. So I wanted it to give
people freedom in their minds to understand the miracles of adaptation.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, we talk about the Mary Bend, the pirates that
you know, try to you know, terrorize these children, and
also the people that insult old Captain Hook. But he's
got to have a team, right, He's got he's got
to have a great sidekick that's there every step of
the way, and he gets the lovable yet just incredibly
(02:35):
entertaining Smee and Kurt. When you talk about Smee comedic relief,
is that an accurate way to talk about this, because
I mean, it's a scene stealing character that every time
that you're on the stage can't help but laugh at
the stuff and your reactions to all these things, even
if Hook is greatly annoyed by some of your reactions,
(02:57):
Well thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I've worked really hard to sort of craft this character
that is sort of I like to I've always envisioned
him as like if Anne Hathaway in Devilware's Prada was
like really bad at her job, because I I sort
of I was lucky in a lot of ways, because
I came into this with almost no familiarity with Peter
(03:22):
Pan outside of like cultural consciousness. So I sort of
was like when I walked into that, when I walked
into that audition, I was just sort of like, I'm
just gonna do what I think is funny and sort
of work outwards and that that was a huge payoff obviously,
But the way I've always perceived me is less. I like,
(03:46):
I sort of perceive him not he's not.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Dumb, sure, but he.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Sorry, sorry, there's something in my throat.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Of course he's not dumb, but he is stupid like
a fox. Okay, where like he because there what I
love is like there are great moments in the script
where he knows things because he'll be like he has
he knows about many things, but he doesn't know what
a mother is and he asks sort of really he
because I like to say that same is book smart,
(04:18):
not street smart. So he's read a lot of books,
but he doesn't really understand how anything works.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I had, I got real Patrick Starr energy from him.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
You know, it's it's funny that was you know, SpongeBob
was a musical on Broadway pre pandemic, but that was,
you know, that was something that was in my repertoire
for a little while. Oh it was, so, you know,
I auditioned for it a lot, like a lot. But
I do think that that is sort of a good
a good starting place for him because he's like he's
he's just sort of sweet and naive.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
What was your relationship to the to the story itself
before you auditioned for me?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I had done readings of like a couple adaptations like
darker contemporary adaptations of Peter Pan and like my friend
Ryan Scott Oliver, who is an incredible, incredible composer, he
has an adaptation of Peter Pan that I was familiar with,
but really outside of a cultural consciousness of like seeing
(05:19):
references to it. It was not a favorite Disney movie
in my family. It was not. I did not know
the musical at all except for I Won't Grow Up,
So I was sort of learning. I learned the show
fresh with all of the young people who were like,
I've done two musicals and it's Heather's and Wicked. You
(05:43):
know so, but it was a great opportunity to reinterpret,
to reinterpret the material.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Or joined by Kurt Perry there he placed me, Cody Garcia,
who's Captain Hook, and mister Darling back to Cody here.
With that kind of being said, I think so many
people just kind of associate their experiences with the Disney
movie itself, and I feel like a majority of people
probably have at least seen parts of that or are
(06:09):
familiar with the story and tinker Bell and Captain Hook.
What is some of the differences that you could explain,
because this is not a musical that just was written,
you know, this year. This is a pretty pretty, you know,
kind of historical musical that's been around for decades.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, it's been around for seventy years.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And they actually wrote it for Mary Martin. They were like,
we have this amazing woman and we need to get
her seen by a bunch of people. So let's do
Peter Pan.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And so they did.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
They wrote Peter Pan and it was a crazy time.
I read several books on it because I also didn't
know the musical Peter Pan, or really anything besides the
Disney movie. And then also Hook, and then that two
thousand and three Peter Pan. Jeremy was it that Jeremy
and Wendy.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Jeremy and Wendy Peter and Peter and Wendy Peter it.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Was called Peter Pan, but I don't know, I don't
remember anyway, Well, yeah that was a live action. Yeah yeah,
and that one. I watched it again because I've now
seen like almost every single version of Peter Pan and
I think it's very beautiful and very underrated. But yeah,
I mean, the Disney version was the I would say,
the most popularized version of Peter Pan, so that is
what people kind of associate with. But of course that
(07:16):
one is very problematic. The entire story kind of kind
of since its inception has been very problematic. So we
I I'll say this for Ocurt as well, because like
I know this is true, but we're very pleased to
be part of this production that is doing its best
to undo some of the injustice, injustices that have been
(07:37):
done that have been caused by the story. So Tiger
Lily's tribe has been completely redone for this version of
the story, updated by Larissa fast Horse, So now the
tribe is part of the magic of Neverland as opposed
to just saying racist gibberish. So it's it's I'm I'm
(07:59):
pleased that an entire new generation of kids are going
to be have the opportunity to see this show and
grow close to this show, and they have this new
way of viewing it. And then similarly, similarly similarly, adults
that have grown up with the show, it still touches
them in the same ways that they've experienced Peter the
(08:21):
magic of Peter pan before.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's a great show and it's fun, but there's so
much youth on that stage. You know, Kurt, could you
kind of speak to some of the talent that you
see here, because I've i mean, i haven't missed a
show at the Orphium over the last couple of years,
and I'm just so in awe of so much talent.
But the young man who's playing Peter is incredible.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
And he's fine. Yeah, well but i mean, no, no, no,
he's great.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
He's like and he's still like high school aged.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yes, he is eighteen. He just turned eighteen, so he's
been seventeen for the majority of the contract and he
was sixteen when he starts. And yeah, he's he's great.
Nolan Almeida, he's still in high school and yeah, he
asked you though, so I'll know.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
But i mean, even just beyond him, just kind of
like all of the other young people that are part
of never Land.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I mean, Nolan is doing the is doing the hardest
thing in the whole world, which is carrying a show
by himself, which is sort of that's not true. You
two are carrying the show, but he is Peter Pan.
So I just want to give flowers where they do
because but but the thing is, when you're that young
(09:34):
and you haven't cut your teeth to be able to
sort of walk into a building every day and go
I'm gonna lead a Broadway show, It's like, is impressive.
I couldn't have done it at eighteen, So I you know,
I have always said that Nolan is an extraordinary talent
that I'm very excited to see what happens after this
(09:56):
for him because and he's such a lovely person, which
is like it becomes rarer and rarer. And I do
have to give a shout out to our on not
only our Last Boy ensemble, who are all extraordinary singer, dancer,
actors in their own right, but a lot of our
pirates are fresh out of college. I we are sort
(10:18):
of on the older end of the spectrum.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I'm playing my face the strings under the wig. Yeah,
it's what's funny is you guys are certainly younger than
I am, so that it's a young ensemble. I mean, yeah,
it's very young.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
But you know, we have a we have an incredible
cat and our are and that is in our ensemble
and our swings who are incredible. I don't I don't
know how they do what they do. I am only
playing one character and I forget my lines and they're
pay covering sixteen seventeen tracks and they never miss a
beat and it's I again, Flowers where Flowers are due.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It's such a cool, cool show. Okay, So last thing,
I'll leave Cody for the last word here. When we
sit here and we talk about a musical, the music matters.
It is an incredibly important part of what you guys do.
You have great songs, Wendy and Peter have the opportunity
to have songs that you know, really kind of move
(11:15):
the story forward. They're not as songs to be sung,
they really are important to talking about what the next
plot line is going to be for the film or
sorry for the production. So can you kind of explain
how important the music is for somebody who is like, well,
I know the Disney songs, right, how that might different
because be different because the live orchestra that is with
(11:36):
this show is unreal.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, it really adds a whole another
layer to the magic of it all. And I got
to say, the I think the I'm Flying sequence in
the Disney version is really amazing. But the I'm Flying
song that we have in this music all, I just
think is so spectacular. And then the way that they
have done it in this production is nothing short of spectacular.
(11:57):
So and I mean it just jolts you right into
Neverland and it really sets you out for the whole
rest of the show. And yeah, I mean the musical
through line is it is incredible when as soon as
the overture starts, like you can hear three iconic songs
that older kids will recognize, and then younger kids will
(12:18):
be able to understand and recognize throughout the show because
these musical interludes come back. And yeah, I mean, there's
not much more to say. Besides it's absolutely magical.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
It is one of the great shows that you can
see and experience from a completely different way than you
probably know the story and the flight sequence exactly. I
wasn't expecting the way that it was done. It was unreal. Wow,
that was super awesome. So through Sunday, you guys are
going to be here through the eighth it's going to
(12:50):
be Peter Pan at the Orphium. You can find your
tickets at ticket Omaha dot com. Cody Garcia is Captain
Hook and Mister Darling Kurt Perry is me. You'll be
seeing them stealing plenty of scenes in the show. Thank
you so much for being here. This has been fantastic
talk to you.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Thank you for having us li
Back here News Radio eleven ten kfab Emery songer with
you last night. I told you I had an opportunity
to go see the brand new show at the Orpheum
Peter Pan, a story so many people know and so
certainly you have seen or understood an adaptation of. But
now it's on the stage here in Omaha throughout the
rest of the week, and we're joined by a couple
of the stars. Cody Garcia plays Captain Hook and mister Darling. Cody,
(00:24):
thanks so much for being here today.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
And a person that you're going to share the stage
with is Kurt Perry, who's Smee, the Lovable Smee joining
us in the studio as well. Kurt, thanks so much
for being here as well.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Again, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Okay, I got to, uh, let's unpack Captain Hook first.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, what up?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
What up?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Well? Captain Hook is like the great villain, right and he's.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
The greatest of all time?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, he's got a song about it and everything.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Uh, Captain Hook.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Captain Hook, what's your relationship with the with Peter Pan
in general? And did you like you can tell you
have a passion for being Hook on the stage in
the way that you perform this. What's your relationship with Hook?
I love playing Gaptain Hook.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I think it's so fun because I'm also just like wow,
I can't believe they're letting me do this.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
This is insane. But I also so this.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Peter Pan is one of the stories that gets done
over and over and over, and it's been getting done
over and over since.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Nineteen oh one.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It's been a very popular story. So I wanted to
give people a version of Captain Hook they haven't necessarily
seen before. And we're the creative team, Lonnie Price, There's
a Fast Horse who are absolutely amazing. They decided to
update the story and so it doesn't take place in
Victorian England so that kids nowadays will probably feel a
little more connected to it. And they're hoping that anyone
(01:40):
who sees it, any child who sees it, can feel
like they can look out their window and see Peter
Pan flying by. So gone are the accents, the English accents,
and gone are the old ways of speaking. And so
I just wanted to give people a version of Hook
Yeah that they weren't necessarily going to see before. Because
this story gets done so much because there is no
way that there is nothing that says there is a
(02:02):
way that Hook is. So I wanted it to give
people freedom in their minds to understand the miracles of adaptation.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, we talk about the Mary Bend, the pirates that
you know, try to you know, terrorize these children, and
also the people that insult old Captain Hook. But he's
got to have a team, right, He's got he's got
to have a great sidekick that's there every step of
the way, and he gets the lovable yet just incredibly
(02:35):
entertaining Smee and Kurt. When you talk about Smee comedic relief,
is that an accurate way to talk about this, because
I mean, it's a scene stealing character that every time
that you're on the stage can't help but laugh at
the stuff and your reactions to all these things, even
if Hook is greatly annoyed by some of your reactions,
(02:57):
Well thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I've worked really hard to sort of craft this character
that is sort of I like to I've always envisioned
him as like if Anne Hathaway in Devilware's Prada was
like really bad at her job, because I I sort
of I was lucky in a lot of ways, because
I came into this with almost no familiarity with Peter
(03:22):
Pan outside of like cultural consciousness. So I sort of
was like when I walked into that, when I walked
into that audition, I was just sort of like, I'm
just gonna do what I think is funny and sort
of work outwards and that that was a huge payoff obviously,
But the way I've always perceived me is less. I like,
(03:46):
I sort of perceive him not he's not.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Dumb, sure, but he.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Sorry, sorry, there's something in my throat.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Of course he's not dumb, but he is stupid like
a fox. Okay, where like he because there what I
love is like there are great moments in the script
where he knows things because he'll be like he has
he knows about many things, but he doesn't know what
a mother is and he asks sort of really he
because I like to say that same is book smart,
(04:18):
not street smart. So he's read a lot of books,
but he doesn't really understand how anything works.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I had, I got real Patrick Starr energy from him.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
You know, it's it's funny that was you know, SpongeBob
was a musical on Broadway pre pandemic, but that was,
you know, that was something that was in my repertoire
for a little while. Oh it was, so, you know,
I auditioned for it a lot, like a lot. But
I do think that that is sort of a good
a good starting place for him because he's like he's
he's just sort of sweet and naive.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
What was your relationship to the to the story itself
before you auditioned for me?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I had done readings of like a couple adaptations like
darker contemporary adaptations of Peter Pan and like my friend
Ryan Scott Oliver, who is an incredible, incredible composer, he
has an adaptation of Peter Pan that I was familiar with,
but really outside of a cultural consciousness of like seeing
(05:19):
references to it. It was not a favorite Disney movie
in my family. It was not. I did not know
the musical at all except for I Won't Grow Up,
So I was sort of learning. I learned the show
fresh with all of the young people who were like,
I've done two musicals and it's Heather's and Wicked. You
(05:43):
know so, but it was a great opportunity to reinterpret,
to reinterpret the material.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Or joined by Kurt Perry there he placed me, Cody Garcia,
who's Captain Hook, and mister Darling back to Cody here.
With that kind of being said, I think so many
people just kind of associate their experiences with the Disney
movie itself, and I feel like a majority of people
probably have at least seen parts of that or are
(06:09):
familiar with the story and tinker Bell and Captain Hook.
What is some of the differences that you could explain,
because this is not a musical that just was written,
you know, this year. This is a pretty pretty, you know,
kind of historical musical that's been around for decades.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, it's been around for seventy years.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And they actually wrote it for Mary Martin. They were like,
we have this amazing woman and we need to get
her seen by a bunch of people. So let's do
Peter Pan.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And so they did.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
They wrote Peter Pan and it was a crazy time.
I read several books on it because I also didn't
know the musical Peter Pan, or really anything besides the
Disney movie. And then also Hook, and then that two
thousand and three Peter Pan. Jeremy was it that Jeremy
and Wendy.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Jeremy and Wendy Peter and Peter and Wendy Peter it.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Was called Peter Pan, but I don't know, I don't
remember anyway, Well, yeah that was a live action. Yeah yeah,
and that one. I watched it again because I've now
seen like almost every single version of Peter Pan and
I think it's very beautiful and very underrated. But yeah,
I mean, the Disney version was the I would say,
the most popularized version of Peter Pan, so that is
what people kind of associate with. But of course that
(07:16):
one is very problematic. The entire story kind of kind
of since its inception has been very problematic. So we
I I'll say this for Ocurt as well, because like
I know this is true, but we're very pleased to
be part of this production that is doing its best
to undo some of the injustice, injustices that have been
(07:37):
done that have been caused by the story. So Tiger
Lily's tribe has been completely redone for this version of
the story, updated by Larissa fast Horse, So now the
tribe is part of the magic of Neverland as opposed
to just saying racist gibberish. So it's it's I'm I'm
(07:59):
pleased that an entire new generation of kids are going
to be have the opportunity to see this show and
grow close to this show, and they have this new
way of viewing it. And then similarly, similarly similarly, adults
that have grown up with the show, it still touches
them in the same ways that they've experienced Peter the
(08:21):
magic of Peter pan before.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's a great show and it's fun, but there's so
much youth on that stage. You know, Kurt, could you
kind of speak to some of the talent that you
see here, because I've i mean, i haven't missed a
show at the Orphium over the last couple of years,
and I'm just so in awe of so much talent.
But the young man who's playing Peter is incredible.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
And he's fine. Yeah, well but i mean, no, no, no,
he's great.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
He's like and he's still like high school aged.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yes, he is eighteen. He just turned eighteen, so he's
been seventeen for the majority of the contract and he
was sixteen when he starts. And yeah, he's he's great.
Nolan Almeida, he's still in high school and yeah, he
asked you though, so I'll know.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
But i mean, even just beyond him, just kind of
like all of the other young people that are part
of never Land.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I mean, Nolan is doing the is doing the hardest
thing in the whole world, which is carrying a show
by himself, which is sort of that's not true. You
two are carrying the show, but he is Peter Pan.
So I just want to give flowers where they do
because but but the thing is, when you're that young
(09:34):
and you haven't cut your teeth to be able to
sort of walk into a building every day and go
I'm gonna lead a Broadway show, It's like, is impressive.
I couldn't have done it at eighteen, So I you know,
I have always said that Nolan is an extraordinary talent
that I'm very excited to see what happens after this
(09:56):
for him because and he's such a lovely person, which
is like it becomes rarer and rarer. And I do
have to give a shout out to our on not
only our Last Boy ensemble, who are all extraordinary singer, dancer,
actors in their own right, but a lot of our
pirates are fresh out of college. I we are sort
(10:18):
of on the older end of the spectrum.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I'm playing my face the strings under the wig. Yeah,
it's what's funny is you guys are certainly younger than
I am, so that it's a young ensemble. I mean, yeah,
it's very young.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
But you know, we have a we have an incredible
cat and our are and that is in our ensemble
and our swings who are incredible. I don't I don't
know how they do what they do. I am only
playing one character and I forget my lines and they're
pay covering sixteen seventeen tracks and they never miss a
beat and it's I again, Flowers where Flowers are due.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It's such a cool, cool show. Okay, So last thing,
I'll leave Cody for the last word here. When we
sit here and we talk about a musical, the music matters.
It is an incredibly important part of what you guys do.
You have great songs, Wendy and Peter have the opportunity
to have songs that you know, really kind of move
(11:15):
the story forward. They're not as songs to be sung,
they really are important to talking about what the next
plot line is going to be for the film or
sorry for the production. So can you kind of explain
how important the music is for somebody who is like, well,
I know the Disney songs, right, how that might different
because be different because the live orchestra that is with
(11:36):
this show is unreal.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, it really adds a whole another
layer to the magic of it all. And I got
to say, the I think the I'm Flying sequence in
the Disney version is really amazing. But the I'm Flying
song that we have in this music all, I just
think is so spectacular. And then the way that they
have done it in this production is nothing short of spectacular.
(11:57):
So and I mean it just jolts you right into
Neverland and it really sets you out for the whole
rest of the show. And yeah, I mean the musical
through line is it is incredible when as soon as
the overture starts, like you can hear three iconic songs
that older kids will recognize, and then younger kids will
(12:18):
be able to understand and recognize throughout the show because
these musical interludes come back. And yeah, I mean, there's
not much more to say. Besides it's absolutely magical.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
It is one of the great shows that you can
see and experience from a completely different way than you
probably know the story and the flight sequence exactly. I
wasn't expecting the way that it was done. It was unreal. Wow,
that was super awesome. So through Sunday, you guys are
going to be here through the eighth it's going to
(12:50):
be Peter Pan at the Orphium. You can find your
tickets at ticket Omaha dot com. Cody Garcia is Captain
Hook and Mister Darling Kurt Perry is me. You'll be
seeing them stealing plenty of scenes in the show. Thank
you so much for being here. This has been fantastic
talk to you.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Thank you for having us li
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