Protests cause Columbia U. to end in-person learning for rest of semester

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Hey, uh, Matt, youknow what else today is World Book and
Copyright Day. Oh yeah, yeah, copyright my favorite word, copyright,
World Book and Copyright Day. Apparentlyit is a celebration to promote the enjoyment
of books and reading. Copyright meanssomething different to me. Yeah for us,

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you know, we uh, weget copyrighted all the time. I
think about infringing, you know,I think about getting in trouble. It's
not good, not good. Souh yeah. Anyway, there's some news
happening today. Did you see thenews, by the way, before we
get into the news, news thatwe got another winner in the five o'clock
hour y yesterday, Yet another winnerfor our for our cash contest. I

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mean, what are we doing,guys? We are dominating, dominating.
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was our winner this time? Matt? You have it in front of a
gentleman from Lincoln Nate from Lincoln NateLee. We're gonna talk to him today.

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Maybe let me try to talk tohim today. I'll get him on
the horn. All right, Sothere we go, another winner. Let's
back to back days. We wantMark all right, Anyway, two things
going on in the news. Lateron in the show, we're going to
talk a little bit about the Trumptrial. I promised, I'm not going
to like every single day just likegouge the interest of this out. I'm

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gonna wait until there's like legitimately goodthings. But we got to talk gag
order in a bit. And alsowe got to talk about these protests that
are happening now the New York University. After we were off the air,
the New York University had one hundredand thirty three people on their campus arrested
put in the zip ties. Isthere a less cool way to get arrested?

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Like if you were to get arrested, let's just say that that,
you know, for TV purposes,you know, for entertainment purposes, what's
the coolest way? Right? LikeI want to be wearing like a leather
jacket, some tight jeans. Iwant to be in compliance with the law,

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but I also want to know thatI'm like a Robin Hood. I'm
doing things. I might be breakinglaws in this movie, but I'm like
doing them for good reasons. Butthen they're police officers trying to just do
their job and arrest me. Ineed to hear those clicks of those those
handcuffs, you know. Yeah,and they got to be behind my back
because that's the real like it's areal tough guy way to go, you

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know, Like I'm not resisting arrest, but you know they have to like
take my arms and put them behindmy back and stuff. It's good for
TV in movies. Yeah, theygot to put one of those like Hannibal
Lectern masks on you. Ah,come on, I look great. My
face needs to be on the screen. You can't do talk about cool factor?
Is that cool? Intimidating? Areyou getting executed? That's not cool?

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Yeah. The thing that came tomy mind was the viral internet video.
I can't really do. I can'treenact it much on air, but
it's it's a guy who was whowas having he was at a Chinese restaurant
and joined his meal and then abunch of police officers came and arrested him,

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and he spoke in such a distinguishedI've seen this. I don't think
we can play it though, right, I think, And there's a question
as to whether or not who thatguy is. It was. It was
just a little too early for theInternet to like immediately identify that. It
was kind of like Tiffany Gomes,who was the the crazy plane lady.
Oh yeah, it took us likea couple of months to figure out who

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she was and identify her. Andsadly, we still don't know what was
going on there. We know shewon't tell us, although she's very active
on x now and you can findher and she she's taking it in a
lot of fun. But she says, uh, the legalities of the situation
prevent her from ever really talking aboutit. Oh whatever, what does that
even mean? I don't know.But the fact that she's not arrested and

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put in jail, I think she'sgrateful for and now she's making money.
You know, I don't know howmany people like what people are paying for
it because she says she refuses todo an OnlyFans, which, let's be
honest, you check it out.No, but anyway, Yeah, so
that's funny. Yeah, anyway,speaking of arrest, I want to talk

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to you about the protest. Therewas a walk out today at NYU.
These protests are really amped up aroundthe country. Not every university has really
violent ones, but that some ofthem in metropolitan areas, including a lot
of IVY League schools or high fullloutant type academic institutions. Do these are
the kind of schools that your kid, probably if they were really smart,

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tried hard to get into. Ifyou are a parent, whether you actually
are or you're not, I wantyou to think about, like you do
have, like a seventeen eighteen yearold kid that tried really hard to get
into Yale or Columbia or NYU orcal Poly or wherever some of these protests
are going. And I want youto think to yourself, my kid tried

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really hard to get into one ofthese schools. They got into one of
these schools, and now we're seeingthat school listed on the news is one
of the places that a lot ofthese really agitated protesters who are getting more
and more violent as the days goon, more and more disruptive. Would

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you still send your kid to theschool? How do you feel about sending
your kid to an institution of higherlearning, even if it's super prestigious,
even if that's something they wanted todo six months ago? Is this something
you want to do or would yousend them now? Would still be their
decision. Mull this over and callus because I want to talk to you
about it. Four h two fivefive eight eleven ten is the number.
Four ten two five five eight eleventen, And we'll talk to you about

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how you would handle your child tryingto get to one of these schools that
all of a sudden now have allof this publicity for the wrong reasons.
Right here on news radio eleven tenKFA B and Maurice saw on news radio
eleven ten KFAB that's a move that'sgonna make ripples because of the weight of
the landing, Like, uh,yeah, I'm sure it's not like a

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giant splash. Yeah, it's it'sgonna some water is gonna get on out
of the pool and onto the patronson the side of the pool. That's
my prediction there. But yeah,so so Deacon all Deacon is fortam or
Or or Villanova or real University ofNorthern Iowa. That's where he's thinking.
He's at D two fcs fcs.I mean, come on, what what

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major college program is gonna have Deaconhelp play for them? I know,
but there is we saw, wesaw all we needed to see this.
I don't know, there's something magicalabout at a more stout quarterback back there.
You know, he was like ahe was like off brand Ben Roethlisberger,
off brand. Yeah, he waslike bizarro Roethlisberger, Like like in

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pads, he kind of looked likehim. But then you like looked a
little bit closer and you realize he'sjust a little fluffier, a little little
little dowie And then you'd you'd watchhim, you know, throw the ball,
and you know he's got some velocityon it, but man, he
couldn't hit anybody. This guy notgood, not good anyway, Deacon good
Luck. It's a little late inthe process. I wonder if he's still
looking for a QB, you knowwhat I mean? And does Iowa have

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a backup planner? Are they justgoing to you know, stick with what
they got? Kay McNamara is supposedto to be healthy, so I guess
he would be the guy. ButI don't know. Interesting whole new offensive
staff too, not whole new butnew offensive staff. No more Brian Farrens.
So that's what it is. Anyway, we were talking about these protests,
all right, Matt, Let's startwith you. Yeah, you have

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a kid that's seventeen, eighteen yearsold, and they've really they want to
get to New York University, likethat's their school, and they get in
and you're really excited about it.They're really excited about it, and then
all of a sudden, you startseeing this at the end of the spring
semester this year, a few shortmonths before you send your young person off
to live their life, and thisis the environment in which you're seeing the

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school handle this this way. Whatwould be your reaction to that? Would
you try to talk them out ofit? Would you make a decision for
them? Would you talk with themabout what the other options are? Or
do you say, you know what, this is your dream school. If
you're okay with this and go onahead. What would you do as a

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parent here, or uncle or grandfather? I mean, I guess any type
of family member that has some sortof relationship with this young person. I
would need to know more. Honestly, I don't really know enough about all
the things that have happened during theprotests that have made it like a quote

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unquote unsafe environment. I know thatwas at Columbia University. They called off
the rest of their semester's classes allvirtual now, yes, which if imagine
you're about to be a graduating senior, but this was the last little chunk
of college that you had left.My instinct is like, so it's I
not knowing enough information, but it'sjust in a quad area, right,

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like the camping is yeah, yeah, and the protest is kind of emanating
from that spot. Yeah, butapparently it's getting like loud enough to where
they just decided and some faculty alsohas walked out in solidarity with the students,
which again high falutin school, thatis going to happen Oppenheimer. I

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mean, if you go back andwatch the movie Oppenheimer, it depicts open
high we're kind of in like aquasi communist movement type thing while he was
teaching at Berkeley, right, Andthen one of the other faculties came over
and said, look, don't getyourself mixed up in this. This is
this bad deal. And then,of course, just a few months later

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is when the US Army comes knockedand says, hey, could you make
an atomic bomb for the United Statesof America? You know, you have
these different things. For him,it was it was a conflict of what
he believed because he's like a progressive, forward thinking person, but also what
he felt he was like the pledgethat he made to help where he's from,
which was the United States of Americaand the war effort. So this

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is kind of like, you know, these people who are protesting, they
there are faculty that sympathized with theircourage, if you want to call it
that to protest. Now, wehaven't heard anybody getting hurt specifically, but
we are hearing that this is gettingmore and more agitated as we go.
But New York Universe he decided,Hey, we're just sitting the cops in

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and we're going to arrest some people. And they have arrested one hundred and
thirty three people who are protesting lastnight. We have not seen that kind
of reaction at Columbia yet, eventhough it's also in New York City.
I guess it's up to the schoolto make that call at the end of
the day, and New York Universitydid make the call. They were like,
we need help, and then theyhelped. I don't know, that's

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a tough one. And how longcould this last? Like semester ends and
then it just goes away. Arethey allowing them to keep doing this because
first Amendment rights, I guess,And then why would NYU be like the
opposite, like, hey disperse now, or we will call the police.
And then they called the police.Does the handling by the institution change your

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frame of mind on this? Likeif you compare a place like Columbia where
this is still happening and they're campingin the quad essentially in protesting every day
and nothing seems to be getting doneby the institution or the police about it.
Yet in the same city, anotheruniversity made a call to police and
they arrest one hundred and thirty threepeople and dispersed the crowd. Does that

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change your thought process on you know, your opinion on the school well,
and I think there are demonstrations,all kinds of demonstrations at all different you
know, institutions of higher learning.I think it just depends on what was
it that brought it to the pointwhere people thought like it was a dangerous

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situation. That's that's that's my question. You know, what what was it
that brought it there? Was werethere acts of violence happening or was it
just the scale of it, justthe size of the demonstration of the protest
and the size growing definitely, Ithink is creating more of this unsettling feeling,

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not necessarily acts that have already beendone, but kind of the thought
that there are going to be morepeople joining this as time goes on,
and I still don't know exactly whatthey're asking for, you know, like,
what is Columbia going to do?Is is somebody in Columbia's university going
to be able to just call JoeBiden and say, hey, tell Israel

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to stop what they're doing. Right, the protests during the Vietnam War,
it was to stop our involvement inthat war. Our involvement. Yeah,
in this situation, they're mad aboutanother country in the Middle East attacking a
terrorist organization and the people that arerepresented by it. So if you got
thoughts on what you would do,as we try to like think about what

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we would do if our kid wasabout to go to one of these schools.
Not that your kids all protest necessarily, but your kid wants to go
to one of these schools. Doesthis change your perspective on it? You
can call us four or two fivefive eight eleven ten four H two five
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radio eleven ten, kfab would yoube down to like still have them go

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in any angles that you might havewith your child or your niece or nephew
or your grandkid. And we wantyour thoughts on what you would do in
that scenario, if that scenario whereto pop up for you. Four two,
five, five, eight, eleventen is the number. Ted is
on the line, Hello, Ted, what's up? Well? Emory?

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I will, I will. I'lljust flat out and tell you right off
that I would never I would neverencourage a kid to go to any of
those institutions periods now. If theywanted to go, I would support him
in their decision. But I reallythose schools back East, the Upper the

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Upper Northeast are basically nothing more thana Peatriet dish for socialism and communism.
I have no desire whatsoever to havea kid or a grandkid go to one
of those organizations. I And I'lltake it a step further if if I
were, if I were in powerone of those organizations right now, I'd

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take everybody on campus that's on astudent visa from a foreign country who is
protesting, and I'd ship them backout I'd get them the hell out of
here. If they can't play byour rules, they need to be gone.
Well, and I'll say that that'sabout all I have to say.
Well, Ted, hold on,you call in just yell about your thoughts

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and you won't take any sort ofconversation piece. I don't understand that,
Ted, I really I love whereyou're coming from because it's passionate and you
know what you're talking about. Atthe same time, next time you call,
I'd love to ask you a followup question so I could like dig
in just a little bit deeper.But you know what, do whatever you
want. This is this and Idon't want to harp on that part of

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it because he's for to do whateverhe wants and I'm going to take calls.
I don't care what call we have. But the point of this show
is just to create a conversation andto try to learn about each other and
try to keep that conversation going andhave your opinion and not want to be
able to like and not have todefend it or not have to answer any
questions about it, or not wantto elaborate on anything more. I don't
understand where that comes from. Now, what he was saying, I have

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to guess now because he doesn't hedidn't want to stay on and elaborate and
continue to educate me on his perspective, but he is saying that these are
the quote was a petri dish ofsocialism and communism. Now, these kinds
of protests about any sort of veryprogressive or what many people would consider woke

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these days, they definitely harbor that, all right, And there are definitely
faculty members who feel that way,incredibly highly educated people in a variety of
ways. But no matter what they'rebackground, they generally are going to be
I don't know if they're feeding thatinformation, but they are going to be

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supportive of that. I when youwent to school, Matt, and were
you a decent student, like likea student that had some college choices if
they if you wanted to like explorethat, where would you have had a
little bit of a range of collegeeducation options? Sez get you degrees?
I was okay, I could havebeen better. I could have applied myself.

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Only person who's ever held me backfrom anything is me, and I'm
pretty good to hold myself back.But I I had I mean, I
don't think institutions of fine, refinedhigher learning were gonna seek out my enrollment.
But any they're hard to get into. Yeah, any any other sort

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of college or university was fine withwith a guy like me. Okay,
yeah, because they all your money. First of all, because we get
gouged when we go to college.Oh you want to go here, All
you need is an eighteen ACT andto be able to you know, pass
a blood pressure test. Yeah.I don't know why, but I still
have this feeling that if you area kid and you want to get an

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incredibly high level degree in something,your initial thought is like, man if
I could get to Harvard, manif I could get to Yale, man
if I could get to Dartmouth orPrinceton. You know, like those carry
weight, don't they for good reason? What's the reason? They get you

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good jobs? And it means somethingwhen you graduate from there, because it's
hard to get into a lot ofbrilliant people have started their collegiate careers at
institutions like Ivy League institutions. Youknow, a deep thinkers, brilliant people
who went on to do amazing things. It means something when you have a

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diploma from those places. I stillthink that carries way? How could it
not that? But that's my pointto Ted that I would have asked,
is sure they may be at leastsocially, you know, in social circles.
This is what we're talking about,lifestyle, political opinions. You're going
to go to one of these collegecampuses and you're going to probably feel like

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it is a patriot dish using hiswords of socialism or communism and things that
don't necessarily match up with truly conservativethinking. My next follow up question,
if Ted would have been interested intalking with me, would have been,
Okay, well, if that's thecase, what institution of higher learning doesn't

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have kind of that air of progressiveness. I feel like almost every college campus
you go to is going to havean air of progressiveness because the kids that
are there are kids, and howmany generations has it been that the kids
actually were like, uh, weare going to change this thing. Right,

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I'll keep bringing this up. Youare not born with common sense,
Okay. If you were left outand raised by wolves, you would have
had to figure it out one stepat a time. Your wolf mother would
have probably tried to show you theway, but you would have had to
jump up onto a tree on alimb that was a little too thin.

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It would have broken and you wouldhave had to learn, Okay, I
gotta make sure I jump on onlythick limbs from now on, right,
you have to learn as you go. That's the kind of thing when you
have a completely independent child who allof a sudden now is seventeen, eighteen,
nineteen years old and they're out ontheir own. Right, This wasn't
that long ago for us. AndI don't know about you, Matt,

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and I'm not going to speak foryou, but I know for me,
I wanted to like anything my parentsdisliked. I wanted to prove that I
knew as much or more about whatthe world was doing than anyone else did,
because that's what you do when you'rea new adult and you're living independently
for the first time. You tryto generate your own opinions, and generally

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you're going to go kind of againstwhat your parents said, unless you have
a very strong connection or you don'thave that rebellious nature that so many kids
have. I think so many ofus can think back to when we were
a teenager about to become an adultor move out for the first time or
go to college, or whatever youradventure or journey was, and you're going
to have this ability in the backof your head to think, you know,

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that was me. I was rebellious. And I'll go back to this.
Those twenty year olds that were thehippies protesting about any and everything,
Vietnam, civil Rights movement, anythingat all that was happening in the mid
to late sixth es, who werethey voting for twenty twenty five years later?

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They elected Reagan twice when they werehaving their babies. Okay, time
changes things, and yes, thereare great arguments to be made that you
know, conservative Republicanism right now isa little bit further away from what conservative
Republicanism was twenty five thirty years ago, and whatever progressive or liberalism is has

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shifted very far away from where itwas twenty five thirty years ago. But
that's just time, and generations aregoing to kind of define what their movements
are each and every time they startto get these responsibilities. This particular generation
is going to have a lot ofthings that are on their mind that they're

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going to think about when they govote or when they get active in politics,
especially for the first time a lotof these kids. This is their
first election or maybe their second,and it's a rematch from two guys they
probably don't like all that much.They're gonna be angsty, They're gonna have
things to protest. There's gonna bestuff that they don't agree with. Again,
I go back to oppenheimer one bestpicture of the oscars for a reason.

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It was a pretty solid depiction ofa guy who lived a life during
World War Two. And that guywent to a high fuluton school in the
West Coast, California, Berkeley.He was a teacher there, and you
saw in that moment the communism movementwas a real threat to American society as
World War Two started to rage on. This was eighty years ago. This

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kind of thing is not new.That doesn't mean we need we need to
stop educating and hopefully some of thesepeople who are actual Americans, people who
are actual students there. We can'tconfirm any or all of them, is
there right. We don't know thedemographics of any of these protesters to this

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point, especially at Columbia, butif we learn about the ones that are
Americans, I'd be fascinated twenty yearsfrom now to see what their political perspectives
are. I'm sure they will shift, but it is not a coincidence that
this is always happening on college campusesbecause college campuses are full of kids who
think they know what's going on,and the same can be said for high

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schoolers that have walkouts about things thatare happening in the government there. They
want to make a difference because theyhave never had that kind of power before.
That doesn't mean they know what they'retalking about. If you have thoughts
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