Republicans Arguing about Charlie Kirk's Messages

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I know we have talked about the Charlie Kirk assassination
a lot over the last week, and I promise you
it's all for a good reason. The reason I want
to keep mentioning it is there have started to become
little fractures within kind of the branches of the limbs
of the discussion that we started having when this whole

(00:22):
thing occurred.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
A week ago.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
It was a difficult day last Wednesday, when all of
this was going down. It was not a fun day
for me to sit here and to tell you the
news that Charlie Kirk had been shot and eventually that
he had died, and what that meant it was going
to happen next, and what was going to happen following
all of this. There certainly has been a lot of

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friction between the two political sides, not just on the
assassination attempt, but just what this means for the future.
And there's been plenty of finger pointing about who is
most responsible for this type of rhetoric in the United
States of America. What I don't know I anticipated was
a fracture among Republicans who now are at war with

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each other in a certain sense that potentially Charlie Kirk
either agreed or disagreed with some of the major things
that were happening in and around the world today inter
a guy like Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson has been kind
of doing in a way what Charlie Kirk did to

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a different kind of audience. He certainly had a more
mainstream start. He was doing stuff on national news organizations,
and when he started on X, when he left Fox News,
or depending on who you ask, got fired from Fox News,
decided to take his talent to the to the social
media platform X and decided to be a talking head

(02:01):
on social media, and really doesn't seem to have lost
a whole lot of his audience. He still has millions
of people that are seeing his episodes and listening to
what he has to say about things. I'm gonna play
a piece of audio about Tucker Carlson because one of
the things that Charlie Kirk seemingly there are people that
are claiming Charlie Kirk was not as supportive of Israel

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in their war against Thomas and in the Middle East
as maybe he once was, or maybe some staunch Republicans
in Congress are. So I'll let Tucker Carlson say it
in his own words, and then a very high profile
person in Congress had a response that I will read
in a moment. But here's Tucker Carlson on his show
here in the last couple of days talking about Charlie
Kirk and his thoughts on Benjamin Netanyahoo.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
He did not like BB Natyah when he said that
to me many times, and he said to people around
him many times, he felt that BB Netnyah, who was
a very destructive force. He was appalled by what was
happening in Gaza. He was above all resentful that he
believed net Nyah who was using the United States to

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prosecute his wars for the benefit of his country, and
that it was shameful and embarrassing and bad for the
United States, and he resented it.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Didn't hate net Nyaho.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
He wasn't out there with a placard saying that, but
he certainly expressed that to me and a lot of
other people. And there's no question that BB's defenders on
the internet will call me a liar or a kook.
But that's a fact, and enough text messages exist that
I think it can probably be verified in pretty short order.
Not that it needs to be, because that is true.

(03:39):
Shortly after that speech, there was a very intense attack
on Charlie and to some extent of me, not that
I really noticed, but on him. I have no donors.
He had one hundred million dollars worth of donors, and
so because he was involved in a different project from
just yapping on the internet, which is what I do
for a living, he was dependent to a great extent
on his donors. Of course, it's a nonprofit, and they
went after him and tormented him. Not all, of course,

(04:02):
many were supportive, but the ones who were offended by
my speech in there was a small, very intense group
who were tormented Charlie Kirk until the day he died.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah. So there you go.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
There's Tucker Carlson speaking on Charlie Kirk and his alleged
feelings about Benjaminett and Yahoo and the war in Israel.
Ted Cruz has decided to step in and this morning
grabbed this audio, shared it and said this. He said,

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I'm getting really tired of Tucker and his cronies falsely
claiming Charlie agreed with me that Israel is terrible and
the problem in America is all the Jews end quote.
I knew Charlie well, and indeed the very last conversation
we had was how deeply concerned he was about the
rising toxic wave of anti Semitism on the right.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
On the right.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Now the fallout of this. And in the comment section
from today in Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruse's both of
the posts essentially here people in Tucker's comment saying, we
should not be talking about what Charlie Kirk did or

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didn't say behind closed doors. Shouldn't be talking about corroborating
whatever you're saying through private text messages that you may
have been sharing with each other. And certainly I feel
a little weird that we have people in Congress like
Ted Cruz deciding to say stuff like this and say, actually,
Charlie agreed with me about this, And now a ton
of people in the comments are saying stuff like, you know,

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just about Jewish hates and anti semitism in the United States,
but the growing I think a number of people may
be on the political right that is getting a bit
uncomfortable with how much we are funding Israel and how
they are going about their business in the Middle East.
I know that Tune has changed quite a bit over
the last couple of years. So what's next? What's next? Yeah,

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of course Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz had a big
argument when Ted would just showed up on The Tucker's
Show a couple months ago, and a lot of that
went viral. I feel in my heart that this is
something we need to figure out from an inside out
perspective on our own, our own thoughts, right Like, we

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need to kind of figure out how do how do
we agree with what Israel is doing? Do we know
everything Israel is doing? Are you in support of you know,
the way that Benjaminett and Yahoo and even all of
the countries specifically the United States mostly though, are going
out of their way to support what Israel is doing
in Gaza and in the surrounding areas. The fact that

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they targeted Katar, I know, was a pretty substantial development,
and and Donald Trump basically apologized guitar that that had happened.
Things like that, if you can try to figure out
where you're at on it, then it makes it a
little bit easier to understand why so many people are
different spots of the spectrum on this, because certainly the

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biggest thing you heard from Tucker Carlson. There was the
donor word, and Charlie Kirk had some donors who were
on him about his feelings about Israel and whether or
not he had to tone down what his true beliefs
were for one reason or another because of the donors
that he has. People of course making sure everybody understands

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that IPAC gives a ton of money to people like
Ted Cruz and many people in Congress to be pro
Israel and the decisions that they are making. So I
suppose we're going to figure this out over time how
we personally feel about Israel. But also I think the
bigger picture here, even more so than the Israel situation,

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is how do we feel about people like Tucker Carlson,
Ted Kruse and so many others trying to talk about
Charlie Kirk's beliefs in his thought process after he passed away,
all of a sudden, Charlie can't control his own words anymore.
And now it's these people who are high profile individuals

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and their political movement, their political party in the media
that are now saying stuff that well, Charlie told me
that he felt like this about this, and Charlie told
me he felt like this about this, and then you
have another person saying he didn't feel that way. I
talked to him, he said he felt this way about this.
Are we okay with all that? That's something that we
want to make sure is happening right now. It feels

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weird to me. I want to talk to you today.
We're talking about Republicans arguing about Charlie Kirk's messages more
than anything else, and we want you to be a
part of the conversation. Phone lines are open at four
oh two, five five eight eleven, ten, four oh two,
five five eight eleven, and we got Phil on the
phone line. Phil, welcome to our show today. What's on
your mind?

Speaker 4 (09:06):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Am doing good?

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Man? How you doing good? Last night, Chucker Carlson interviewed
a number of people on on What Happens After Charlie
shirts and one of them was Megan Kelly mm hmm,
and Meghan Kelly concurs with Tucker on the pressure.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
We lost Phil, We lost Phil. Can you hit that
button to get Phil back on their peyton? Sorry about that?
Sorry Phil to interrupt. I yeah, okay, I got you
back on, Phil, Go ahead, pick up, back up.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
For saying Megan Kelly Okay.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Well, Meghan Kelly concurred with Tucker Carlson that Charlie was
under tremendous pressure by certain elements. Now you got to
keep in mind, yeah, who's different from the State of Israel. Okay.
And the State of Israel is a political creation and

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shouldn't be connected with the stuff and the stuff in
the Bible. Really, it shouldn't, like ted Cruz does. But
and I'm a big fan of Teddy Cruse, don't get
me wrong. Chucker just lost. I mean, Charlie Kirk just

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lost a two million dollar donation apparently from a big
Christian Zionist Okay, and apparently Yaho offered a bunch of
money to him and he turned it down. And he
just had made the statement Charlie Kirk did on one

(10:51):
of his broadcasts that maybe Israel should wrap it up
with the stuff in God that. Yeah, Israel has already
lost the left, they've lost the independence, Yeah, and they're
well on their way to losing the conservatives, especially the

(11:13):
young conservatives.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, I'm seeing that play out real time.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
For sure. There's no doubt that that's what's happening.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
So now what's going to be very interesting here is
I heard Ben Shapiro talking and Ben Shapiro offered a
million dollars to give turning point a million dollars. Well,
Ben Shapiro was asked he was on a broadcast with
Charlie Kirk and they were having a discussion about Israel

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and they were talking about Jesus, and Ben Shapiro would
not exactly say what orthodox Jews believe about Israel or
about Jesus. And I think a lot of you that
and that that belief is in the Talmot, the Babylonian Talmot. Okay, Now,

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in the Bible, Jesus Christ himself, Yeah, in Matthew Matthew
twenty two, twenty three, in John chapter eight rails against
the religious Jews.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
Of the time.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Okay, answer the question is why there was something there
that was that that had been perverted by that time
from the Bible that Jesus Christ himself was reigning against.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
So I guess Phil, just just to get to I
got other callers I want to take. But I'm curious
as to Okay, so, what what is the stance that
America should take on this? And do you have a
problem with two people like Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz
kind of debate eating Charlie Kirk, you know, after he's dead,
debating what he actually believed on this stuff.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
I think that I think they should. Eventually, they're probably
going to have to release the emails, okay, because there
are emails there. Even now you can say whoever whatever
you want about Candace Owen's, but apparently she's got the
emails as well. Okay, Okay, So Charlie Kirk was under

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tremendous pressure and he was looking at possibly losing some
of his funding over his stances about this about what
Israel was doing in Gaza, because of.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
What he was.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Dealing with his constituency, which is the college kids. Okay,
we got to understand this. Sure, And so Charlie Kirk
was wonderful. I loved him, yeah right, yeah, you know,
I'm sixty nine years old and you know, actually he

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was one of my hebroes.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
Okay, yeah, sure, So, and I don't like, uh, everybody's
going to be fighting for a piece of this, and
I'm not sure turning points going to exist.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah, I hope it does.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, I yeah, and I agree with that too. They're
gonna have to watch out for that because of the
people that are going to be like vultures in the water.
He fulture in the water is stupid. Anyway, Phil, appreciate
the call today. Thanks so much for listening to our show.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah, bless y.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Aaron's on a phone line at four h two, five, five,
eight to eleven ten. Let's get Aaron on the horn.
Welcome to the show. Aaron, what's on your mind?

Speaker 5 (14:42):
Hey, I had a couple of my questions this statement. Okay,
so for my age twenty three years old, for our generation,
what do you think the outcome of this situation will be?
Which situation specifically talk about Charlie Kirk and suppression of
youth's voice and colleges.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, I mean I don't think. I don't think that
the voice of people will be suppressed. I would hope
that there's going to be better security and better awareness
that people like Charlie Kirk matter a great deal. Even
if he's not running for office, he certainly had as
much influence on the youth of America as anyone who
is in office. I think I would hope the outcome
is more people decide to pick the baton up from

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him and decide to reach young people would be my hope.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
Which I agree with, and the tolls go and show
for the thirty five thousand plus members joining Turning Points.
I just want to come to, I guess a conclusion
of do you think there will be consequences for the
people and the ideology that they put on this person
to cause this to happen? False propaganda all that, because

(15:53):
back in two thousand and eight there was a law
that false propaganda news channel would get fined. There would
be some sort of repercussion for false ideology. Yeah, bring
that back.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Well, and here's the thing, Aaron, we got to be
very careful about that because the press is protected by
the First Amendment of the Constitution. So what I don't
want to see is us tell everybody what they can
and cannot say, because that's how you get a state
run media. You get a Democrat in office, they're going
to enforce different things. If you get a Republican in office,
they would enforce different things. That's not good for anybody.
What we need to do, I think is on us.

(16:28):
You know, I love that a twenty three year old
like you was so plugged in to what is happening
in our country and listening to you. But but I know, Aaron,
if I could, if I could pick what the future
looks like, we would just be better at taking what
we hear from legacy media with a grain of salt.
The people that you're watching on television, most of them,

(16:50):
I can't say all of them, but most of them
on all of the big channels, seeing n MSNBC, Fox News, OAN, Newsmax,
you name it, there's you know, CNBC, all all of
these channels. They are trying to lean into what they
think their core audience member already is, and they want
to tell them what they agree with. I get heat
from people because they disagree with me. Sometimes that's okay.

(17:11):
I want us to question the things that we're hearing,
and the best way for us to do that is
to be quite skeptical, but also to be constantly looking
for the truth. You're not going to get it from
legacy media. They're going to give you a spin on stuff,
and we need to be better about discerning what that is.
And if people like a twenty two year old crazed
shooter in Utah decides that Charlie Kirk's message is nothing

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but hate, he's obviously gotten the wrong impression of who
Charlie Kirk is. We need to do a better job
about trying to prevent somebody like that from getting a
clean shot off on him when he's in an open
courtyard at a college campus.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
That's what I'd like to see changed.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yes, And another thing I wanted to touch on before
we end is what do you think about Tim Walls
makings or Minnesota a trans refugee state.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, I you know, I don't live in Minnesota. I
know that if that's something that he's passionate about, and
they make like a community worth of transgender people who
can just go and live in Minneapolis or Saint Paul
and just feel safe, that's not something I'm paying for
and it's not something that is going to affect my life.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Aaron.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
The best that I can tell you is I would
be very curious to see what the reaction to that
would be, because there certainly would be from people in Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
The signing of that bill, he had a let's say,
nine year old take the pen from the paper he
signed the bill from. Do you not think that is grooming?

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Well?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
I don't know if that's grooming, but I can tell
you that the parents of that nine year old need
to have a talking to from somebody, because that's the
kind of stuff that just should not be happening.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Aaron, great stuff. Man call me again sometime, all right.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
And the conversation continues as we learn about this. The split,
kind of the fracture in Republicans and people in the
conservative movement over what Charlie Kirk did or didn't believe
after he passed away posthumously very strange. And the example

(19:08):
that I played is Tucker Carlson on his show talking
about Charlie Kirk saying he's uncomfortable with Israel and thinks
that Benjamin Atyah has gone too far and things like that.
And Ted Cruse said, I had a conversation with Charlie
Kirk right before he passed, and he didn't say any
of that stuff. He said, the anti Semitism growth on
the right in America is very troubling. I want your
thoughts first of all about Israel. Sure, but how do

(19:31):
you feel about the you know, people within the conservative
group or Republicans all kind of debating each other about
what Charlie Kirk did or didn't feel. Phone lines are
open at four h two, five, five, eight, eleven ten,
And we have George on our phone line today. George,
welcome to our show.

Speaker 7 (19:49):
Hey, thanks Hemory. Yeah about Ted and the and Tucker,
I think I heard that, and poor old Ted didn't
have a scripture verse one to back up idea of.
I don't know what's happened there. I can't tell you
that for sure. I would say it's not too possible
that Charlie would change that big of a decision, that

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big of a deal and make a change in his
thinking on that. I I hear a lot of people
from Israel Net and Yahoo and everybody over there is
just praising the guy. So if he did, it must
have been very private. I don't think I heard anything
public that he said about. In fact, I've watched a
couple of videos where he was super strong about Israel. Yeah,

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I myself, I myself don't go by what Charlie says,
what Ted Cruz says. I have to read the Bible
myself and see what God says. And a quick synopsis
of that for me is this Genesis twelve one to three.
God gave an unconditional promise to one man, Abraham and
his descendants, that he would give them a land, He

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would make him a great nation, and they would be
a blessing to the whole world. And that land is
the land of Israel. The people are the Jews, and
the blessing was Jesus Christ, the Messiah that came through
the Jews. And so the history of Israel is that
they would be blessed, and the people of the world
who blessed them would be blessed. The people of the

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world who cursed them would be cursed, and that Israel
itself would be in the land if they obeyed God.
If they disobeyed God, they would be taken out of
the land, which happened when they went to Babylonia. They
came back in seventy years. But then at the end
of the Old Testament be four hundred years, they were
taken out of Assyria to Assyria and thrown all over

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the world. And then the Romans came in seventy eight
day and threw them all over the world. And since
then they've been scattered. But here's the deal. This is
the most important thing that's happened in this last century.
Nineteen forty eight, they became a nation. God prophesied that
over and over and over, even though they don't believe
in the New Testament, they don't believe in Jesus, but

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they come back and unbelief because God is keeping his
eternal promise. It's an everlasting covenant he made with them.
It's an unconditional promise. It can never be broken. Although
the whole world will come against Israel, they will survive.
And we're seeing that happen now in the last days.
We're at the end of the church age. We're going
to make a big switch here shortly, and it's all

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going to come to a head because God's going to
do some major things and really show up.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Hey, George, a quick question. Are you a pastor by
chance or do you like lead like a men's group
or something.

Speaker 7 (22:36):
I've studied the Bible for fifty years.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I was going to say.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
I was like, the knowledge is a bit deeper than
just somebody who just kind of flips through the Bible.
I was just curious. I appreciate that. I appreciate the call. Buddy,
thanks for listening to our show.

Speaker 7 (22:47):
Real quick, Gymory, I've called you a couple of times.
Big event coming is Russia, Turkey, Iran are going to
come together with Sudan and Libya and they're going to
attack Israel from the north and Ezic Guild chapter thirty
six thirty seven, and you want to read it and
you'll see and you'll understand.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
All right, Jorgia, we'll look into that. I appreciate you
calling in man, Thanks so much. H Yeah, so yeah,
I'm not here to debate anything that he said, and
one hundred percent agree with what he had to say
that you should read and interpret the Bible yourself. I
know that different denominations see things very differently. We had

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a caller Phil earlier this hour that articulated a pretty
interesting point that he looks at Israel the nation more
as a political entity that does not speak to the
Israeli population or the Israelites, or however God talks about

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Israel in the Bible. That is certainly a different perspective.
And I'm sure there's a bunch of different people out
there who are you know, they have they fall somewhere
in the spectrum this way or the other way. I
know that there are many people of religious as when
it comes to the Israel conversation that are going to
say something that, well, this is how it is, and

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there's no doubt that this is how it is. And
I don't need to hear anybody else's perspective on it,
because this is how it is.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I get it in The Bible is one of those
things that if you are reading a version in you
have read it or studied it, like George obviously has,
you are certainly convicted in the way that you are
seeing it. And is it their room for additional interpretation
from a religious perspective, maybe, But on a political perspective,

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where the Bible doesn't usually come into play, there certainly
is now. Charlie Kirk as a guy who is a
self professed Christian, big, big Christian, like he said first
and foremost, that is what he wanted to be, was
a Christian that know that people can see that he
has been redeemed and he is going to shout from

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the rooftops of his belief in Jesus Christ. That is
certainly something that a lot of people related to him
on and they celebrate him for. However, on a political note,
and this is why I here's what I say, Charlie
Kirk is the talk of the town right now. Posthumously,
he was assassinated. He's no longer with us. It's a

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tragic situation. He's also not here now to defend himself.
And people on both sides of the isle are different
factions of the Republican Party or conservatives. They see an
opportunity here to ride the coattails of his name right now.
And yeah, I'm saying it this way. They're writing his

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coattails and the name recognition that he has in the
news to pull themselves up with some of the things
that they are believing, like Tucker Carlson in this soul
Israel's gone too far thing situation. I'm telling you, I

(26:01):
have a big problem with it. There's nothing we can
do about it. This is not the first time in
history that this has happened. Is somebody loses their life,
or somebody gets kidnapped or something, or somebody disappears, and
all of a sudden, we have a bunch of people saying, well,
this is what that person said, this is what that
person thought, this is what that person was saying about

(26:23):
this one particular topic. And this is why I'm right
about it is because that person actually agreed with me.
And for Tucker Carlson even to insinuate that he's got
he has text messages that he's willing to potentially, you know,
like he didn't say he'd share it. He didn't think
he needed to or with me instead to move a

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conversation forward. Except Tucker making himself feel good that he's
on the right side of this argument with Charlie Kirk. Apparently,
even though Ted Cruz and many others that I'm sure
you'll talk to say there's no way that that's how
Charlie Kirk really felt, based on conversations we had with him.
I just wish they would keep Charlie Kirk out of
their mouth right now. If you are not celebrating what
Charlie Kirk meant to the United States and the world

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with the way that he debated, in the way that
he was willing to talk to people who disagreed with him,
If you're not talking about him in that way, then
you shouldn't be talking about him in any way that
is going to continue to divide either the movement that
you belong to or this country. And that's all that
this is between Tucker and Ted. This is high school
level gossip stuff, and I don't like it. Erica in

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the family, and Charlie Kirk, in his spirit, deserve way
better than getting involved in a divisive conversation about a
political situation right now. It's ridiculous that this is what
it has come down to with these factions in the
Republican Party about this particular topic that we're going to

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just say, Well, Charlie Kirk agreed with me. He's not
around to say it, but I have text messages. I
don't like it at all, Charlie. He deserves way better
than that right now. John, you wanted to be a
part of our conversation that we're having here.

Speaker 8 (28:06):
Yeah, Emery, Hey, thanks for taking my call. I listened
to your show every day pretty much, and I enjoy
it a great deal. I am a huge Charlie Kirk
fan and as many people are, and I couldn't agree
more with the position you just took on with help.
People should be reflecting on his life and talking about him.

(28:26):
But the bigger reason, the other point I wanted to
make was more directed at you personally. I listen to
your show a lot and all the time, and a
lot of times you do not take a hardline stance
one way or another. You kind of listen to both
sides and let people make their opinion. And I just
wanted to applaud you for you drew a line in
the sand right there a couple of minutes ago and said, hey,

(28:48):
this is where people should be at and you're one
hundred percent right, and I really agree with you, and
I just wanted to thank you for throwing that out there.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I appreciate you listening to our show, John, and I
am who I am. Some things I feel like I
need to put a line in the sand. Some things
I think are open for interpretation. And I hope you,
hope you understand why I'm not always like that. Hopefully
it means something when I actually do, you know, kind
of dig in. But I appreciate you calling in man.

Speaker 8 (29:13):
Yeah, thank you. Have a great day.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yep, you as well got plenty on that that whole thing. Right,
There are certain things that I feel super duper passionate
about and that I know that I am right and
there is a right and a wrong, And yeah, I
have opinions about things, but I am the Charlie Kirk type, right,
Not that I'm ever going to be nearly as out

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spoken about every single political topic, unabashed and unsolicited like
he was. He made a great brand for himself doing that.
That's not who I am. I have to be true
to who I am. I want to do what Charlie did, though,
and I want to talk to everybody from every possible
background and people who attack me personally or attack what
I say personally in variety of ways. Yeah, I'll defend

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myself people who disagree with me.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
I am one hundred percent down for that.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
I cannot wait to have those types of conversations because
we can grow out of that. I can feel the
way that I feel, I can investigate how you feel.
We can learn about each other, and that's how you grow.
And the people who got to talk to Charlie Kirk,
for the most part, every single person, even the people
that vehemanly disagreed with him, even very publicly, like Gavin

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Newsom for instance, or Dean Withers, who's a very hardcore
lefty liberal type person who debated him on one of
the shows that he's done. They really were affected by
this negatively and they couldn't believe that this had happened.
That's the kind of thing that I think we as
a country need to understand. We can humanize each other.

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The more we talk to each other, the more we talk,
the less that we're going to be leaning on violence.
Something Charlie Kirk said as well. We got to be
better as a society in listening to each other and
being willing to have that conversation. And I'm not saying
you can't have your convictions and be one hundred percent
sure in your own personal beliefs, but you know what
I'm You know what I am.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I'm a listener.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
I like to try to hear what other people have
to say, and if I disagree with it, that's fine.
But we are better people for hearing each other and
what we have going on.