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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There's one thing about Elizabeth Warren when she wants to
give you the business, nobody can out Karen Elizabeth Warren
here is. It's a bit of a longer clip, but
this is her going back and forth about vaccines with
RFK Junior.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Today, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Mister Kennedy, you said, quote,
if vaccines are working for somebody, I'm not going to
take them away now exceptions, no if SAMs or butts.
You would not take away vaccines from anyone who wanted them.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Then, last week.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You announced that the COVID nineteen vaccine is no longer
approved for healthy people under the age of sixty five.
In announcing the change, you said the vaccine will be
available for anyone who wants it now. Obviously both things
cannot be true at the same moment. So let's clear
this up right now, Secretary Kennedy, will you tell America
(00:51):
that all adults and all children over six months of
age are eligible to get a COVID booster at their
life local pharmacy today.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Anybody can get the booster. I'm sorry, anybody can get it.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So you're saying that is now the official rule of
HHS anybody is eligible to get a booster by just
walking into the pharmacy.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
It's not recommended for healthy people.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No. No, If you don't recommend, then the consequence of
that in many states is that you can't walk into
a pharmacy and get one. It means insurance companies don't
have to cover the two hundred dollars or so cost.
As Senator doctor Cassidy said, you are effectively denying people vaccines.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
We're not going to recommend a product for which there's
no clinical data for that indication, which is that what
I should be doing.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
What you should be doing is honoring your promise that
you made when you were looking to get confirmed in
this job. That is, you promised that you would not
take away vaccines from anyone who wants them. You just
changed the classification of the COVID vaccine.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
I'm not taking them away from people, Senator.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It takes it away if you can't get it from
your pharmacy.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Well, most Americans are going to be able to get
it from their pharmacy for free dollars.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Most Americans will be able to get it from their pharmacy.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Question is everyone who wants it? That was your promise
I'm no identity.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I never promised that I was going to recommend products
with which.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
There is no indication.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
When you said, and I know you've taken eight hundred
and fifty five.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Thousand dollars for pharmaceutical copy.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Senator, did you hold up a big sign saying that
you were lying when you've said that, because you are
the one who.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Said you would not take them away.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Now, Senator, I'm not taking them away from that Secretary.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
You are me to.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Indicate a product for which there is no clinicaltato alimman.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Secretary Kennedy, you said you wouldn't, and now you did.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I'm not taking them away. Everybody can get access to them.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
No, they can't walk into a pharmacy the way they
could last month and get access.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Wow, that's some good stuff there. Sign me up for
like four hours of that? What, Scott, Why why don't
you just like ring in a call for miss Warren
and mister Kennedy and just like let them do that
for four hours? I mean, that's some That is some
some good stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
You made a contact, Senator Warren.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Uh, yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I feel like you.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Want to resign from your from your position as the
Senator of Massachusetts and come to a four hour radio show.
We could We could absolutely just have you and r
FK just you know, yelling at each other about this.
They repeated each other or themselves about six times in
that three minute clip. But it's interesting that they did
that because I don't think they ever got on the
same page.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
He's saying, I'm not denying anybody who wants it to
get it. She's saying, if you don't recommend it, insurance
doesn't have to cover it, and pharmacies don't have to
provide it. And I don't think he understood that portion
of it, or she didn't understand that there is still
a way to go find it and get it if
(04:19):
you want it. It just may not be covered by
your insurance company. Now back to RFK Junior and his
spat with Elizabeth Warren because I have more Elizabeth Warren
audio here, and sorry to email her Michael, who was
not happy of me using my airtime to discuss this.
But we're discoursing it. Hundreds of thousands millions of people
(04:39):
sharing stuff like this on social media. It is a
big deal in a big story, and we'll continue that today.
Here's more of Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren in RFK, junior.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Head of the CDC, that if she refused to sign
off on your changes to the childhood vaccine schedule, that
she had to resign.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I told her that she had to resign because I
asked her, are you a trustworthy person? And she said no.
If you had an employee who told you they weren't trustworthy,
would you ask them to resign?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Senator?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So I'm sorry that this is not what she has
said publicly.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
I'm not surprised about that.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So you're saying she's lying.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Yes, every conversation I had with her that were with.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Us, this is straight.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
This is the same person that less than a month
earlier you stood next to her and described her as
unimpeachable and you had full confidence in her, and that
you had full confidence in her scientific credentials. And in
a month she became a liar.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yeah, we should ask her what changed?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
And by the way, a month ago you were voting
against her because you thought she was either inconfident, ineligible.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Or the job.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I was afraid she was going to bend the needy
you and Donald Trump, And it looks like she didn't
bend the niece, so you've fired her.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Look you're yeah. So that's an interesting conversation there about
the CDC in the situation, and it tells you the
political uh politics that are in the behind the scenes
arguments here, the voting against the you know, director of
the CDC just because they're attached to RFK Junior and
Donald Trump. And then RFK calls her out and saying,
(06:33):
you voted against her, so a while, all of a
sudden you think that you're like, she's some paragon of virtue.
You seem to agree with me about her credentials. I
was wrong, and I now I agree with you. But
Elizabeth Warreon didn't want to hear that because that doesn't
help continue her argument. But this is politics, one o one.
The CDC director who now all of a sudden has
turned her back and was asked to resign by r
(06:54):
K Junior and wants to you know, spit on him
figuratively of course, and the Trump administration and all of
a sudden, Elizabeth Warren's a big fan where you know,
just a few weeks ago, Elizabeth Warren didn't want anything
to do with her and was voting against you know
her as the director of the CDC and anything that
she was attempting to accomplish because of her relationship potentially
(07:15):
with RFK Junior and Donald Trump. Just because your flip
sides like.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Oh hey, buddy, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Man.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
We are a mess. We are a mess. Democratic Senator
Ron Wyden of Oregon was chatting, We'll say with RFK Junior.
There are a few highlights, but I'll just pick one
out here. Here is Ron Wyden questioning RFK Junior.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I didn't politicize he I depoliticize it.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
This Congress has he said.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
All over the country, mister secretary, scientists and doctors are
saying otherwise. They're all wrong too.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
They're all lying, according to.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You, a scientist, doctors that are supporting me all over
the country.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Oh the division on opinion.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Don't I don't don't get letters from thousands of people
who are not political saying that this set of changes
is going to damage American healthcare and particularly these healthcare
agencies for decades to come.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
I don't get any letters.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
We'll say, oh differ, Yeah, maybe you're listening to a
selective group of people.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Get you, get me, and I.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Will find I will tell you what, Senator, I will
put my mail bag against your mail bag.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Got that any day?
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Thirty seconds? Dangerous?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
All right?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
So there is, you know, the discussion mail bag versus
mail bag, and we'll see what the mail bags look
like and who's supporting who and why and all this.
I don't know why Ron Widing, of all people in
Oregon is getting a ton of letters from doctor saying
you got to stop this. RFK Junior. He's a maniac.
He doesn't belong being in charge of the Department of
(08:54):
Health and Human Services. So I have some questions about
how many phone calls Ron wide and is fielding from
scientists and doctors around the country. And Robert F. Kennedy
Junior in his position, I can see that there are
some doctors and scientists or maybe some people who do
support what he is trying to do in different ways.
As I mentioned before, I think it is worth noting
(09:16):
that even Democrats, staunch democrats, have applauded some of the
changes that are happening in the food industry about some
of the dies. We're taking out, some of the stuff
that's been bad in our food that's hurting our children
and our personal health, that doesn't seem to be the
issue as much as the vaccinations have been a big issue.
Last one I'm going to play here from this hearing
(09:38):
today is from a Republican. I wanted to get a
little bit of taste of this because there were Republicans,
including Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley, who was on this committee
and was discussing this with with RFK Junior. But I
think the most notable back and forth with the Republican
was with Wyoming Senator John Barrosso. John Barrosso had a
(10:01):
very different perspective on what he is seeing from a
Republican standpoint.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Secretary Kennedy and your confirmation hearings, you promised to uphold
the highest standards for vaccines.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Since then, I've grown deeply concerned.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
The public has seen measles outbreaks, leadership in the National
Institute of Health questioning.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
The use of mRNA vaccines.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
The recently confirmed Director of Centators for Disease Control and
Prevention fired.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Americans don't know who to rely on.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
You know, recent pulse at eighty nine percent of voters
eighty one percent of Trump voters. A bring vaccine recommendation
should come from trained physicians, scientists, public health experts, so
you know they believe you know, Senator Marshall, Senator Cassidy,
they believe me when it comes to vaccines. If we're
going to make America healthy again, we can't allow public
health to be undermined. So could you explain what steps
(10:53):
you're going to be taking to ensure vaccine guidance is clear,
evidence based and trustworthy.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
We're going to make it clear, evidence based and trunswathing
for the first time in anstry.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
And he would go on, and he would elaborate a
bit more, but it's you know, it's not about his answer,
because we know what he's going to say is more
transparency is going to be involved. But when you have
a Republican senator who says, I have grown deeply concerned
because of measles outbreaks and the questioning of leadership, the
questioning of the use of mRNA vaccinations, and it's become
(11:29):
so overtly political out of COVID nineteen that you have this,
this scenario more so than anything else, that RFK Junior
is not having to retreat a little bit, but he's
trying to remove all vaccines from people's lives. But he
may not be actively recommending them, and I'm just not sure.
(11:50):
There's a lot of thought as to how much more
difficult those vaccines could become for people who need them
or want them to be able to get them. So
that is something that we're going to investigate moving forward.
There's one thing about Elizabeth Warren when she wants to
give you the business, nobody can out Karen Elizabeth Warren
here is. It's a bit of a longer clip, but
this is her going back and forth about vaccines with
RFK Junior.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Today, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Mister Kennedy, you said, quote,
if vaccines are working for somebody, I'm not going to
take them away now exceptions, no if SAMs or butts.
You would not take away vaccines from anyone who wanted them.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Then, last week.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You announced that the COVID nineteen vaccine is no longer
approved for healthy people under the age of sixty five.
In announcing the change, you said the vaccine will be
available for anyone who wants it now. Obviously both things
cannot be true at the same moment. So let's clear
this up right now, Secretary Kennedy, will you tell America
(00:51):
that all adults and all children over six months of
age are eligible to get a COVID booster at their
life local pharmacy today.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Anybody can get the booster. I'm sorry, anybody can get it.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So you're saying that is now the official rule of
HHS anybody is eligible to get a booster by just
walking into the pharmacy.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
It's not recommended for healthy people.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No. No, If you don't recommend, then the consequence of
that in many states is that you can't walk into
a pharmacy and get one. It means insurance companies don't
have to cover the two hundred dollars or so cost.
As Senator doctor Cassidy said, you are effectively denying people vaccines.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
We're not going to recommend a product for which there's
no clinical data for that indication, which is that what
I should be doing.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
What you should be doing is honoring your promise that
you made when you were looking to get confirmed in
this job. That is, you promised that you would not
take away vaccines from anyone who wants them. You just
changed the classification of the COVID vaccine.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
I'm not taking them away from people, Senator.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It takes it away if you can't get it from
your pharmacy.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Well, most Americans are going to be able to get
it from their pharmacy for free dollars.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Most Americans will be able to get it from their pharmacy.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Question is everyone who wants it? That was your promise
I'm no identity.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I never promised that I was going to recommend products
with which.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
There is no indication.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
When you said, and I know you've taken eight hundred
and fifty five.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Thousand dollars for pharmaceutical copy.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Senator, did you hold up a big sign saying that
you were lying when you've said that, because you are
the one who.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Said you would not take them away.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Now, Senator, I'm not taking them away from that Secretary.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
You are me to.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Indicate a product for which there is no clinicaltato alimman.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Secretary Kennedy, you said you wouldn't, and now you did.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I'm not taking them away. Everybody can get access to them.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
No, they can't walk into a pharmacy the way they
could last month and get access.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Wow, that's some good stuff there. Sign me up for
like four hours of that? What, Scott, Why why don't
you just like ring in a call for miss Warren
and mister Kennedy and just like let them do that
for four hours? I mean, that's some That is some
some good stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
You made a contact, Senator Warren.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Uh, yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I feel like you.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Want to resign from your from your position as the
Senator of Massachusetts and come to a four hour radio show.
We could We could absolutely just have you and r
FK just you know, yelling at each other about this.
They repeated each other or themselves about six times in
that three minute clip. But it's interesting that they did
that because I don't think they ever got on the
same page.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
He's saying, I'm not denying anybody who wants it to
get it. She's saying, if you don't recommend it, insurance
doesn't have to cover it, and pharmacies don't have to
provide it. And I don't think he understood that portion
of it, or she didn't understand that there is still
a way to go find it and get it if
(04:19):
you want it. It just may not be covered by
your insurance company. Now back to RFK Junior and his
spat with Elizabeth Warren because I have more Elizabeth Warren
audio here, and sorry to email her Michael, who was
not happy of me using my airtime to discuss this.
But we're discoursing it. Hundreds of thousands millions of people
(04:39):
sharing stuff like this on social media. It is a
big deal in a big story, and we'll continue that today.
Here's more of Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren in RFK, junior.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Head of the CDC, that if she refused to sign
off on your changes to the childhood vaccine schedule, that
she had to resign.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I told her that she had to resign because I
asked her, are you a trustworthy person? And she said no.
If you had an employee who told you they weren't trustworthy,
would you ask them to resign?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Senator?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So I'm sorry that this is not what she has
said publicly.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
I'm not surprised about that.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So you're saying she's lying.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Yes, every conversation I had with her that were with.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Us, this is straight.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
This is the same person that less than a month
earlier you stood next to her and described her as
unimpeachable and you had full confidence in her, and that
you had full confidence in her scientific credentials. And in
a month she became a liar.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yeah, we should ask her what changed?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
And by the way, a month ago you were voting
against her because you thought she was either inconfident, ineligible.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Or the job.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I was afraid she was going to bend the needy
you and Donald Trump, And it looks like she didn't
bend the niece, so you've fired her.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Look you're yeah. So that's an interesting conversation there about
the CDC in the situation, and it tells you the
political uh politics that are in the behind the scenes
arguments here, the voting against the you know, director of
the CDC just because they're attached to RFK Junior and
Donald Trump. And then RFK calls her out and saying,
(06:33):
you voted against her, so a while, all of a
sudden you think that you're like, she's some paragon of virtue.
You seem to agree with me about her credentials. I
was wrong, and I now I agree with you. But
Elizabeth Warreon didn't want to hear that because that doesn't
help continue her argument. But this is politics, one o one.
The CDC director who now all of a sudden has
turned her back and was asked to resign by r
(06:54):
K Junior and wants to you know, spit on him
figuratively of course, and the Trump administration and all of
a sudden, Elizabeth Warren's a big fan where you know,
just a few weeks ago, Elizabeth Warren didn't want anything
to do with her and was voting against you know
her as the director of the CDC and anything that
she was attempting to accomplish because of her relationship potentially
(07:15):
with RFK Junior and Donald Trump. Just because your flip
sides like.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Oh hey, buddy, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Man.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
We are a mess. We are a mess. Democratic Senator
Ron Wyden of Oregon was chatting, We'll say with RFK Junior.
There are a few highlights, but I'll just pick one
out here. Here is Ron Wyden questioning RFK Junior.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I didn't politicize he I depoliticize it.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
This Congress has he said.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
All over the country, mister secretary, scientists and doctors are
saying otherwise. They're all wrong too.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
They're all lying, according to.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You, a scientist, doctors that are supporting me all over
the country.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Oh the division on opinion.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Don't I don't don't get letters from thousands of people
who are not political saying that this set of changes
is going to damage American healthcare and particularly these healthcare
agencies for decades to come.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
I don't get any letters.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
We'll say, oh differ, Yeah, maybe you're listening to a
selective group of people.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Get you, get me, and I.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Will find I will tell you what, Senator, I will
put my mail bag against your mail bag.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Got that any day?
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Thirty seconds? Dangerous?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
All right?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
So there is, you know, the discussion mail bag versus
mail bag, and we'll see what the mail bags look
like and who's supporting who and why and all this.
I don't know why Ron Widing, of all people in
Oregon is getting a ton of letters from doctor saying
you got to stop this. RFK Junior. He's a maniac.
He doesn't belong being in charge of the Department of
(08:54):
Health and Human Services. So I have some questions about
how many phone calls Ron wide and is fielding from
scientists and doctors around the country. And Robert F. Kennedy
Junior in his position, I can see that there are
some doctors and scientists or maybe some people who do
support what he is trying to do in different ways.
As I mentioned before, I think it is worth noting
(09:16):
that even Democrats, staunch democrats, have applauded some of the
changes that are happening in the food industry about some
of the dies. We're taking out, some of the stuff
that's been bad in our food that's hurting our children
and our personal health, that doesn't seem to be the
issue as much as the vaccinations have been a big issue.
Last one I'm going to play here from this hearing
(09:38):
today is from a Republican. I wanted to get a
little bit of taste of this because there were Republicans,
including Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley, who was on this committee
and was discussing this with with RFK Junior. But I
think the most notable back and forth with the Republican
was with Wyoming Senator John Barrosso. John Barrosso had a
(10:01):
very different perspective on what he is seeing from a
Republican standpoint.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Secretary Kennedy and your confirmation hearings, you promised to uphold
the highest standards for vaccines.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Since then, I've grown deeply concerned.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
The public has seen measles outbreaks, leadership in the National
Institute of Health questioning.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
The use of mRNA vaccines.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
The recently confirmed Director of Centators for Disease Control and
Prevention fired.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Americans don't know who to rely on.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
You know, recent pulse at eighty nine percent of voters
eighty one percent of Trump voters. A bring vaccine recommendation
should come from trained physicians, scientists, public health experts, so
you know they believe you know, Senator Marshall, Senator Cassidy,
they believe me when it comes to vaccines. If we're
going to make America healthy again, we can't allow public
health to be undermined. So could you explain what steps
(10:53):
you're going to be taking to ensure vaccine guidance is clear,
evidence based and trustworthy.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
We're going to make it clear, evidence based and trunswathing
for the first time in anstry.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
And he would go on, and he would elaborate a
bit more, but it's you know, it's not about his answer,
because we know what he's going to say is more
transparency is going to be involved. But when you have
a Republican senator who says, I have grown deeply concerned
because of measles outbreaks and the questioning of leadership, the
questioning of the use of mRNA vaccinations, and it's become
(11:29):
so overtly political out of COVID nineteen that you have this,
this scenario more so than anything else, that RFK Junior
is not having to retreat a little bit, but he's
trying to remove all vaccines from people's lives. But he
may not be actively recommending them, and I'm just not sure.
(11:50):
There's a lot of thought as to how much more
difficult those vaccines could become for people who need them
or want them to be able to get them. So
that is something that we're going to investigate moving forward.
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