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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, it's been a very interesting last several months as
it relates to Donald Trump getting into the White House
and his viewpoint on the Ukraine in Russia war. Last year,
while he was campaigning for the presidency, he made it
very clear that he thought we needed to stop our
investment into Ukraine. We needed to stop sending them resources,
stop sending their money. They are a corrupt country. They
(00:21):
don't need our help, and they don't have the cards.
And it's not our problem. If Russia decides that, you know,
they can just steamroll Ukraine and then take over another country.
Fast forward to what was in February when Donald Trump
welcomed Volodimeir Zelensky, the President of Ukraine, into the White House. Well,
(00:41):
certainly things were not so good. There, a huge blow up,
and he's basically, you know, there wasn't much to be
said after that for those two after as public with
all the microphones and cameras in there, JD. Vans and
Donald Trump be rating Zelensky and Zolensky not really seeming
respecting the office while he was in there. And now
(01:03):
all of a sudden this week, Donald Trump says, you know,
Ukraine actually can win this war and they can win
all their land back to and they can have their
old borders back.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Very interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Joining us on the phone line to talk about this
is an expert in this field, the CEO and president
of Coral Ridge Ministries and the founder of the Institute
for Faith and Culture, Rob has he ends in joining us. Rob,
thanks so much for being on our show today.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
What has been the the I don't know how to
best describe what Donald Trump has done kind of with
his attitude, not just with Ukraine and Russia, but with
Vladimir Zelensky specifically, other than a one eighty from what
we saw maybe six seven months ago, How do you
best describe that relationship?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, I appreciate you saying. I mean, somebody earlier on
another broadcast I was listening to, said a shift, it's
a U turn. It's a total eighty, particularly when you
think back to the disastrous meeting in the Oval Office
several months ago that ended in a shouting match and
Zelinsky basically being kicked out of the White House. And
(02:08):
it's amazing, you know, to see how Trump has arrived
at this decision. It signals to me that Trump is
finally waking up to in my opinion, the criminal activity
that has been happening in Russia for far too long,
and the way that Russia and Putin has gone about
this war, and I think they're starting to see it
(02:30):
as not only the America is seeing it, but America
is not only seeing it as a threat to Ukraine,
but seeing Russia as a threat to the surrounding nations
as well.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, that first visits Lensky made to the White House
could not have gone worse. I don't know if I've
ever seen anything quite like that where a foreign leader especially. Yeah,
I mean, it's just like he's in the middle of
a war. He's basically pining for American support with the
brand new administration, and it just it goes badly basically
(02:59):
from the get go. And here we are now, just
you know, not even a calendar a year later, and
Donald Trump is saying NATO is, you know, buying weapons
from US. They can use it however they want. Putin
obviously has no interest in working toward peace, and now
he's saying that he thinks Ukraine can actually.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Win this war militarily.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That shift in and of itself is a very different
attitude that the President has taken. But if they're going
to win back all of the land that they currently have,
they're going to have to get a little bit more
offensive with their military strategy, wouldn't they.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Absolutely? And I'm a supporter of President Trump and grateful
for his leadership in this cultural moment, But I think
we all know take everything that Donald Trump says with
a grin of salt. He is prone to hyperbole, and
I think he is, you know, using some of his
bravado and some of his rhetoric. I think, one to
test the waters to see what the reaction will be
(03:55):
from Russia, but I think also to signal the appropriate
strength in this moment as well of America, that when
the president of the United States and the leader of
the free world speaks, it carries some weight to it.
So I think he's initially using this rhetoric, which I
(04:15):
welcome it because I do think we need to be
much more supportive of Ukraine than we've been, but also
to see what kind of reaction will the spark with
the Kremlin, with Putin and with Russia as a whole.
And I think we're starting to see the initial reaction
that I think maybe Trump was hoping for I think
it's certainly what we're seeing initial reactions of concern, fear,
(04:38):
even Moscow acknowledging their economic instability. So I think these
are all signs that they're certainly getting the message that
they don't necessarily have an ally in Trump or in
America as they thought maybe they did seven to nine
months ago.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
We're joined by Rob as he and so he's the
CEO and president of Coral Ridge Ministries and the founder
of the INTI for Faith and Culture. I look at
the meeting in Alaska, what was that a month and
a half ago or so now by Trump and Putin,
and that was a breakthrough moment in a lot of ways,
the fact that Trump was able to get a face
to face meeting with Vladimir Putin. Of course, they had
(05:16):
the flyover with the B two, which was really awesome,
and you know, Putin himself showed up, which was more
than I think anybody kind of expected Trump to be
able to achieve.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
But absolutely nothing came out of that meeting.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
There was no follow up from Putin to Zelensky or
to even Donald Trump. And I don't know what the
attitude was for people in our country that were supporters
of Trump, who said I've had enough of US supporting Ukraine.
I've had enough of US giving them weapons and resources.
It's a lost cause. They're going to lose this war,
and we need to stop doing that. How did we
(05:53):
get to a point where all of a sudden here
in the last six weeks, that tune has changed, and
now you hear a bunch of Trump supporters kind of
jumping on board and saying, yeah, maybe Ukraine was decided.
We should have been on all along.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, I think at the end of the day, we
got to remember Trump first and foremost, as is a businessman.
It's all about the art of the deal for him,
and so I saying he expected immediate results from that
and that meeting in Alaska, I think, and I mean
it was immediately after that trip to Alaska where he
(06:29):
met with Putin that you know, Russia continues to barrage
Ukraine with bombs and with drone attacks, and really gave
no sense that he was going to relent. He refused
to have a face to face with Zelenski. And I
think that, to be honest with you, really picked Donald
Trump off. Here he goes he's trying to show that
(06:53):
he's the peacemaker. He's trying to show good diplomacy and
Putin just refuses, and I think Trump kind of felt
like he stabbed them in the back. And doesn't take
much to set the president off, and I think this
certainly did, and the last month and a half seeing
no movement in the positive direction. But like I said before,
I also think people waking up the president included to
(07:16):
the danger that Russia poses not only the Ukraine but
the surrounding nations. I think we're beginning to see Russia's
true colors. They're not just trying to take small portions
of territory from Ukraine. I think they might be up
to something more in order to improve their economic situation.
And I think Trump's appropriately flexing his muscles and saying,
(07:37):
you know, enough is enough, especially if you're not going
to come to the table to negotiate. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Something that I think goes even further into this is
while Donald Trump was on the campaign trail, there are
a lot of his opponents that were saying he's going
to disband NATO or he is going to pull the
United States out of NATO. He kept referencing that the
United States puts way too much into NATO and the
other countries don't do nearly enough.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yet.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
When NATO had their summit earlier this year, their Secretary
General Mark Rude and other member countries for the most part,
agreed to increase their spending and what they were putting in.
They're saying this is the strongest NATO has ever been.
Donald Trump says he is very happy about this and
he is glad to hear that commitment from these European nations.
(08:23):
How important was that development this year to what Donald
Trump is talking about Ukraine and also him selling weapons
and kind of supporting Ukraine's efforts now here in September.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, I think it's hugely important, I think, and rightfully so.
I think Donald Trump didn't want to put America out
there on the limb by themselves in supporting the efforts
to create peace in that region of the world. And
so I think he rightfully so one of us. The
other people have other nations, that is, have some skin
(08:59):
in the game, show their support and know that he
has some other allies in this fight to create peace
between Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Now, the last thing for you, Rob, I saw on
truth Social him really kind of lay this out and
he talked about thinking that Ukraine absolutely could win back
all the territory that they had lost.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And you alluded to it earlier.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
And the first thing that I thought of is this
has got to get a reaction out of Vladimir Putin
in some way. There's no way he's just going to
see this or hear other world leaders talk about his
country like this, you know, talking about their economic issues,
talking about the fact that they think Ukraine, the little
guy in this war, is going to be able to
(09:44):
come back and maybe take away every single piece of
land that they already have. Is this the kind of
thing that you would anticipate get him to the negotiating table,
or is this the kind of thing that you think
would lead to it a quicker escalation, maybe to call
in China or to Iran and say, we have to
go with a bigger, broader front if we are going
to achieve things, And I really need your guys' help
(10:05):
right now. And would those players even be interested in
taking part in what's going on here considering these circumstances.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Oh no, I think I think you're absolutely right. I
think we'll we'll see a immediate response from the Kremlin.
We've already seen a response from the Minister of Finance.
He conceded that Trump's absolutely right that we are not
in an economic uh in the season of economic stability.
So I mean, if he's willing to acknowledge that within
(10:36):
within days of Trump making this announcement, you always know
when the when when the government leaders, you know, talks
about their economic situation, it's far worse than than what
they let on. And and he opened with this is
the minister of finance in Russia, that we're not in
a good spot, that there's record inflation, that we are
going to raise taxes, that we've spent our rainy day fund.
(11:00):
So I mean, if they're willing to acknowledge that on
a global scale, on a global platform, you know, it's
far worse behind the scenes. So I think we're already
beginning to see just in a matter of days, their
narrative of their strength and their economic stability begin to
that narrative really begin to be undone, which I think
(11:21):
is signals to me at least the beginning of the end.
How long this will go, I have no idea, but
it certainly the beginning of the end. If the Minister
of Finance quickly is conceding that that certainly doesn't show strength,
but it certainly shows their vulnerability.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Definitely something to keep an eye on. Great information.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
CEO, President of Coral Ridge Ministries and the founder of
the Institute for Faith and Culture, Rob Pazienza. Rob, as always,
thanks so much for the time today.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Thank you so much.
Now, it's been a very interesting last several months as
it relates to Donald Trump getting into the White House
and his viewpoint on the Ukraine in Russia war. Last year,
while he was campaigning for the presidency, he made it
very clear that he thought we needed to stop our
investment into Ukraine. We needed to stop sending them resources,
stop sending their money. They are a corrupt country. They
(00:21):
don't need our help, and they don't have the cards.
And it's not our problem. If Russia decides that, you know,
they can just steamroll Ukraine and then take over another country.
Fast forward to what was in February when Donald Trump
welcomed Volodimeir Zelensky, the President of Ukraine, into the White House. Well,
(00:41):
certainly things were not so good. There, a huge blow up,
and he's basically, you know, there wasn't much to be
said after that for those two after as public with
all the microphones and cameras in there, JD. Vans and
Donald Trump be rating Zelensky and Zolensky not really seeming
respecting the office while he was in there. And now
(01:03):
all of a sudden this week, Donald Trump says, you know,
Ukraine actually can win this war and they can win
all their land back to and they can have their
old borders back.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Very interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Joining us on the phone line to talk about this
is an expert in this field, the CEO and president
of Coral Ridge Ministries and the founder of the Institute
for Faith and Culture, Rob has he ends in joining us. Rob,
thanks so much for being on our show today.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
What has been the the I don't know how to
best describe what Donald Trump has done kind of with
his attitude, not just with Ukraine and Russia, but with
Vladimir Zelensky specifically, other than a one eighty from what
we saw maybe six seven months ago, How do you
best describe that relationship?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, I appreciate you saying. I mean, somebody earlier on
another broadcast I was listening to, said a shift, it's
a U turn. It's a total eighty, particularly when you
think back to the disastrous meeting in the Oval Office
several months ago that ended in a shouting match and
Zelinsky basically being kicked out of the White House. And
(02:08):
it's amazing, you know, to see how Trump has arrived
at this decision. It signals to me that Trump is
finally waking up to in my opinion, the criminal activity
that has been happening in Russia for far too long,
and the way that Russia and Putin has gone about
this war, and I think they're starting to see it
(02:30):
as not only the America is seeing it, but America
is not only seeing it as a threat to Ukraine,
but seeing Russia as a threat to the surrounding nations
as well.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, that first visits Lensky made to the White House
could not have gone worse. I don't know if I've
ever seen anything quite like that where a foreign leader especially. Yeah,
I mean, it's just like he's in the middle of
a war. He's basically pining for American support with the
brand new administration, and it just it goes badly basically
(02:59):
from the get go. And here we are now, just
you know, not even a calendar a year later, and
Donald Trump is saying NATO is, you know, buying weapons
from US. They can use it however they want. Putin
obviously has no interest in working toward peace, and now
he's saying that he thinks Ukraine can actually.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Win this war militarily.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That shift in and of itself is a very different
attitude that the President has taken. But if they're going
to win back all of the land that they currently have,
they're going to have to get a little bit more
offensive with their military strategy, wouldn't they.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Absolutely? And I'm a supporter of President Trump and grateful
for his leadership in this cultural moment, But I think
we all know take everything that Donald Trump says with
a grin of salt. He is prone to hyperbole, and
I think he is, you know, using some of his
bravado and some of his rhetoric. I think, one to
test the waters to see what the reaction will be
(03:55):
from Russia, but I think also to signal the appropriate
strength in this moment as well of America, that when
the president of the United States and the leader of
the free world speaks, it carries some weight to it.
So I think he's initially using this rhetoric, which I
(04:15):
welcome it because I do think we need to be
much more supportive of Ukraine than we've been, but also
to see what kind of reaction will the spark with
the Kremlin, with Putin and with Russia as a whole.
And I think we're starting to see the initial reaction
that I think maybe Trump was hoping for I think
it's certainly what we're seeing initial reactions of concern, fear,
(04:38):
even Moscow acknowledging their economic instability. So I think these
are all signs that they're certainly getting the message that
they don't necessarily have an ally in Trump or in
America as they thought maybe they did seven to nine
months ago.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
We're joined by Rob as he and so he's the
CEO and president of Coral Ridge Ministries and the founder
of the INTI for Faith and Culture. I look at
the meeting in Alaska, what was that a month and
a half ago or so now by Trump and Putin,
and that was a breakthrough moment in a lot of ways,
the fact that Trump was able to get a face
to face meeting with Vladimir Putin. Of course, they had
(05:16):
the flyover with the B two, which was really awesome,
and you know, Putin himself showed up, which was more
than I think anybody kind of expected Trump to be
able to achieve.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
But absolutely nothing came out of that meeting.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
There was no follow up from Putin to Zelensky or
to even Donald Trump. And I don't know what the
attitude was for people in our country that were supporters
of Trump, who said I've had enough of US supporting Ukraine.
I've had enough of US giving them weapons and resources.
It's a lost cause. They're going to lose this war,
and we need to stop doing that. How did we
(05:53):
get to a point where all of a sudden here
in the last six weeks, that tune has changed, and
now you hear a bunch of Trump supporters kind of
jumping on board and saying, yeah, maybe Ukraine was decided.
We should have been on all along.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, I think at the end of the day, we
got to remember Trump first and foremost, as is a businessman.
It's all about the art of the deal for him,
and so I saying he expected immediate results from that
and that meeting in Alaska, I think, and I mean
it was immediately after that trip to Alaska where he
(06:29):
met with Putin that you know, Russia continues to barrage
Ukraine with bombs and with drone attacks, and really gave
no sense that he was going to relent. He refused
to have a face to face with Zelenski. And I
think that, to be honest with you, really picked Donald
Trump off. Here he goes he's trying to show that
(06:53):
he's the peacemaker. He's trying to show good diplomacy and
Putin just refuses, and I think Trump kind of felt
like he stabbed them in the back. And doesn't take
much to set the president off, and I think this
certainly did, and the last month and a half seeing
no movement in the positive direction. But like I said before,
I also think people waking up the president included to
(07:16):
the danger that Russia poses not only the Ukraine but
the surrounding nations. I think we're beginning to see Russia's
true colors. They're not just trying to take small portions
of territory from Ukraine. I think they might be up
to something more in order to improve their economic situation.
And I think Trump's appropriately flexing his muscles and saying,
(07:37):
you know, enough is enough, especially if you're not going
to come to the table to negotiate. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Something that I think goes even further into this is
while Donald Trump was on the campaign trail, there are
a lot of his opponents that were saying he's going
to disband NATO or he is going to pull the
United States out of NATO. He kept referencing that the
United States puts way too much into NATO and the
other countries don't do nearly enough.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yet.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
When NATO had their summit earlier this year, their Secretary
General Mark Rude and other member countries for the most part,
agreed to increase their spending and what they were putting in.
They're saying this is the strongest NATO has ever been.
Donald Trump says he is very happy about this and
he is glad to hear that commitment from these European nations.
(08:23):
How important was that development this year to what Donald
Trump is talking about Ukraine and also him selling weapons
and kind of supporting Ukraine's efforts now here in September.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, I think it's hugely important, I think, and rightfully so.
I think Donald Trump didn't want to put America out
there on the limb by themselves in supporting the efforts
to create peace in that region of the world. And
so I think he rightfully so one of us. The
other people have other nations, that is, have some skin
(08:59):
in the game, show their support and know that he
has some other allies in this fight to create peace
between Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Now, the last thing for you, Rob, I saw on
truth Social him really kind of lay this out and
he talked about thinking that Ukraine absolutely could win back
all the territory that they had lost.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And you alluded to it earlier.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
And the first thing that I thought of is this
has got to get a reaction out of Vladimir Putin
in some way. There's no way he's just going to
see this or hear other world leaders talk about his
country like this, you know, talking about their economic issues,
talking about the fact that they think Ukraine, the little
guy in this war, is going to be able to
(09:44):
come back and maybe take away every single piece of
land that they already have. Is this the kind of
thing that you would anticipate get him to the negotiating table,
or is this the kind of thing that you think
would lead to it a quicker escalation, maybe to call
in China or to Iran and say, we have to
go with a bigger, broader front if we are going
to achieve things, And I really need your guys' help
(10:05):
right now. And would those players even be interested in
taking part in what's going on here considering these circumstances.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Oh no, I think I think you're absolutely right. I
think we'll we'll see a immediate response from the Kremlin.
We've already seen a response from the Minister of Finance.
He conceded that Trump's absolutely right that we are not
in an economic uh in the season of economic stability.
So I mean, if he's willing to acknowledge that within
(10:36):
within days of Trump making this announcement, you always know
when the when when the government leaders, you know, talks
about their economic situation, it's far worse than than what
they let on. And and he opened with this is
the minister of finance in Russia, that we're not in
a good spot, that there's record inflation, that we are
going to raise taxes, that we've spent our rainy day fund.
(11:00):
So I mean, if they're willing to acknowledge that on
a global scale, on a global platform, you know, it's
far worse behind the scenes. So I think we're already
beginning to see just in a matter of days, their
narrative of their strength and their economic stability begin to
that narrative really begin to be undone, which I think
(11:21):
is signals to me at least the beginning of the end.
How long this will go, I have no idea, but
it certainly the beginning of the end. If the Minister
of Finance quickly is conceding that that certainly doesn't show strength,
but it certainly shows their vulnerability.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Definitely something to keep an eye on. Great information.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
CEO, President of Coral Ridge Ministries and the founder of
the Institute for Faith and Culture, Rob Pazienza. Rob, as always,
thanks so much for the time today.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Thank you so much.
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