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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Beck here on news Radio eleven ten kfab Emery Songer
here with you, always telling you about the fun stuff
that you're going to be seeing in and around the
Omaha area, and that includes at the Orpheum with my
friends at Omaha Performing Arts and this week MJ the
Musical has come to Omaha, and I am grateful to
be joined by the guy who's playing Michael Jackson in MJ.
(00:21):
The Musical, Jordan, Marcus Jordan, thank you so much for
being here.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Of course, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And then I got another guy who plays a couple
of different guys that's kind of interesting his role. We'll
get to that in a second, but playing Joseph Jackson
and Rob who stage manager, tour manager kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Oh yeah, Devin Bowles is here. Devin, thanks so much
for being here. All right, So I want to start
with Michael Jackson as a character, because he really is
a character in world history, you know, in just like
the way people see him. I think everybody knows him,
everybody has an opinion about him.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
And maybe outside of Elvis Presley, is the single most
impersonated person I think of the last fifty years. Yes,
So Jordan, how do you like, what's your relationship with
watching understanding Michael Jackson and now you basically, I mean
you look like Michael Jackson when you're on the stage
every night.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, I mean my relationship with essentially becoming Michael for
a few hours every night is I think I approach
it with as much respect as I possibly can, just
to kind of differentiate myself from say an impersonator or
anything like that, because at the end of the day,
we're actors. You know, We're playing a role, and I
want to approach the role with as much humanity and
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as much respect as possible and make him a three
dimensional figure rather than, you know, just a singer and
a dancer, because he was much more than that.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And the story is a lot about that. And that's
where I'm going to go to Devin here, because Joseph
Jackson kind of has this. I mean, everybody knows who
knows Michael Jackson is familiar with his relationship with his
father and how that kind of, you know, built not
just the foundation of what became a lot of fame,
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but also a lot of issues and struggles that he
had throughout his life. And that's been well documented you're
kind of going back and forth between, you know, the
father role and the role of you know, kind of
a friend who's helping him put his dangerous tour together.
But about the father role here, you can really feel
kind of that energy change when you kind of become
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that role across the stage. Well, can you tell me
about how you channel Joseph Jackson.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Honestly man just really knowing his why I think. I
think it's so easy for us when we see villains
or antagonists to just place them as mean, but knowing that,
like Joe, what he thought he was doing, he thought
what he was doing was correct. You know, he had
this responsibility these kids to take care of, and he
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truly did want what's best for Michael, the whole tough
life scheme, you know, And for me diving into that,
I really wanted to understand where he was coming from
and taking the text that Linnais has given us. He
it was a lot of manipulation, a lot of mental games,
a lot of of not wanting to remove control. And
we see that, we see the impact of Joe Jackson,
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and for me, I love playing with physicality. I love
playing with that. In the contrast of Rob pitch, voice, tone, temple.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Uh, even your posture on stage.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, and I really love I really love you know,
it's it's the whole Michael Chekhov thing of of the
psychological gestures and stuff like that. So I love playing
with all that. I'm an actors I'm an actor head.
So but yeah, we Joe is he was, he was
a character, he was something.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
The way that the production is written, you know, it's
sometimes like sometimes there's not even like a lighting change,
there's no costume change. I mean you can just tell
by the way that you all of a sudden you're
standing a little different, you're talking a little bit. Oh
now he's he's Joseph and this is Michael remembering Joseph.
This story you get to be with two other Michael
Jackson's on stage, Jordan. Yeah, you know, because this goes
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through childhood all the way up through this dangerous tour.
What do you think people who are going to see
this production are going to learn about Michael Jackson's life
for the first time when they see this.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I think, well, what's beautiful about this show is that,
like you mentioned, the storytelling isn't linear, Like we get
flashbacks to his Jackson five Days and his off the
wall thriller days in the studio with Quincy Jones, building
what that came to be, and you know, in his
family life, you know. So I think what people will
learn from this show is, I mean, they're going to
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learn so much more about this figure head that we
see as you know, just this iconic artist, but also
I mean he was a man at the end of
the day. He had feelings like the rest of us,
and I think we really dive into that. One of
the most beautiful scenes in the show, following our human
Nature number is I think where you'll get a lot
of meat of the story, just because I mean Michael
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is his most vulnerable. I think as the show has
gone on, he gets more and more vulnerable, and I
think that moment is when it really encapsulates everything he's
been trying to convey to everyone around him. Where he's
talking to Rachel the reporter that he's interviewing him throughout
the show. So I think they'll learn a lot more
than they might have anticipated when coming to see this show.
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Because of course you're going to get all the hits
and you know, the Billy Jeans, ABC's everything, but there's
a very, very compelling story arc in this show that
I think not only Michael will be proud of, but
I think his fans would also love to see him portrayed.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Jordan Marcus plays Michael Jackson the adult Michael if you
Will on the stage in MJ the Musical, and then
Rob and Joseph Jackson being played by Devin Bowles. I
want to talk about the Rob part of the show
here with you, Devin, because a lot of the show
is kind of set in the rehearsal room of this
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giant tour that we're about to go on, and you're
on the stage. Is Rob kind of helping manage maybe
some expectations that a MJ some of the crazy video. Yeah,
and it's really funny to kind of see that relationship
on stage, because you know, this is how it actually
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was when Michael has so much power and you got
to make him happy. What can you tell people about
what they'll learn through your character, which you know kind
of represents I think probably dozens of people who were
just trying to also make things reasonable while also trying
to make things happen for the biggest pop star in
the world.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, Man, I think one of the first things is
we have to understand the antithesis of Rob and Joe.
You know, Joe cares about the product. Rob cares about
the bean, and we really see that in these scenes
that Lennondas has written. You know, Rob cares about Michael
Howard you doing? You know, like you said, he's juggling
a lot. He's juggling the dancers, that the singers, he's
juggling with Nick and scheduling, he's juggling with Dave and
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all this other ideas and stuff. So I think where
the obstacle arise, whether I think where the obstacle uh,
you know, I think where it comes to be is
that the top of day, everything's great, you know, we
want to run through the set list, get through these
numbers and these dances, and then boom, idea comes and
I'm like, whoa brother, let's listen, let's backtrack, let's slow up.
And so I think I think one of the main
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services that Rob has is Rob. We really see Michael's
process through Rob being with him. Rob is like Michael's
right right hand man. He's his confident on he's probably
he's not probably. He is the person he trusts the most.
In this room, and so we really see Rob bringing
that that that process out of Michael. And I think
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that's what fans love to see, is how did Michael
create these things where these ideas come from? You know,
we're so used to the product, the finished you know, iconic,
but it's like, no, Rob is let's dive deep, man,
Let's think about this. Are you sure? Are you sure?
Are you sure? That's what Rob is therefore, and Rob
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really does love Michael. He really does care about him,
and we see that in this show. And I think
that is one of the biggest reasons why Rob has
the responsibility he does. Yes, I'm assuming you mean the
other people in Michael Jackson's life who cared about him, Yeah,
and wanted him, you know, who loved him more than
just what he did on stage exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I think the story is really well told. The fact
that he just can't go anywhere. I mean, we forget
we're far enough removed now, you know, in twenty twenty
five of what life was like for Michael Jackson, even
later in his life and he only lived to be
fifty years old. But you know, in the nineties especially,
I mean, there's nobody more famous I mean nobody in
the world, you know, and just mobbed, screaming people no
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matter where. He was going crazy. I got to get
to some of the music in the dancing part of
this with you, Jordan. Like I said, there's a lot
of people who call themselves Michael Jackson impersonators because he's
an incredibly fun person to watch dance and he's got
a very unique, you know way he sings. Was this
something that you messed around with before you decided you
wanted to try to be Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
That's a really funny question. Yes, I mean I as
a child, and that's pretty much all I did because
I was bitten. I got fit by the Jackson bug
very very early in my life. But which I owe
to my parents for playing you know, the Motown records
throughout our house, as they would force us to clean
up every morning. But but yeah, I used to love
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trying to emulate his movement, you know, in our house,
in a living room, in my socks, trying to like
spin like he does in Moonwalk and glide everywhere. But
but yeah, I this show feels sort of like a
homecoming for me in that way, because you know, as
a kid, I was Michael for Halloween for like five
years in a row. This is all I wanted to do,
and then, you know, growing up, I got away from
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it a little bit. And I mean he's always inspired
my own music and my own artistry for my entire life.
But now it's kind of bringing me back to that
place of like, remember when you were just a child
who loved loved, loved music and loved what Michael brought
to that front. I mean it's I'm reminded every day.
And you know how many people get to say that
at their job that they're reminded of how how much
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joy that this one figure brought them as a child,
and they get to you know, portray him on stage
every night in front of thousands of people. It's it's
something I've I've touched on. I've never you know, been
like quote unquote and impersonator of him, never gotten like
paid to do it right.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
You're not like it on the streets of New yorkist right,
tending to be Michael Jack exactly, but yeah, paid to
actually be Michael on the stage. Is there a song
or a you know number that always was kind of
with you as as you were growing up that now
you just you get to perform basically as you're Michael
Jackson on the stage.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Oh my god, so so many of them. I'd say
the one that the one that takes me back the
most every day, it would probably be it's between Billy
Jean and Man in the Mirror. I think those two
get me really emotional every night. I mean, the feelings
never lost on me because I mean those were that
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as well, that as well, those are my top three.
Those are just the staples in my chyohood.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Well and Billy Jean. The way that you're performing on
the stage is kind of what he did at the
Grammys right or at the Motown Yeah, so like just
iconic moment that I think everybody's seen at least once. Yeah,
I mean, so really cool to see that enacted on stage, Devin.
As far as you go, you know, you're part of
this production too. We all know the music and you
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get to perform, you know, really important parts of the music.
Like the entire company gets to jump in. It's not
just Michael singing the whole time. It's like the whole
company gets to sing and dance. But for you, what
are the you know, top couple of moments of this
show for you, as far as the music, the dancing,
the singing, are concerned that you get to be a
part of man.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
First of all, I'm Devin as a fan. I'm a
fan of the finale Black and White. It's it's a
moment we really celebrate what we just you know, told,
the story we just told. It's really like the welcoming,
get out your seat, getting the eye. Yea, let's celebrate
Michael right, I love that. Yes, and rehearsal and I
was like Christopher Wood and our trimnist director chiographer. I
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was like, can I break the fourth wall here? He
was like, yeah, So you'll see me in the finale
black and White. If there's a kid in the front row,
you're getting pointed to, you're getting sung.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
To interact with. Devin is having his own time my life.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I'm having the best time of my life. Black and
White is one of those numbers. Uh. And then Joe,
you know, Joe sings in uh money, money, money, and
and for me, that song it holds a lot of
buoyancy to me because we really see where Joe's coming from.
He talks about money as being this thing of like
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sometimes I care about this more than your life, and
it's really sad. It's like the little you know, the
thing we we it's like the we put up somebody's head,
like how bad are you gonna go? Get it right?
What I'm saying, some people live for money, some people
die for money. And Victory Tour in general is where
we see the separating of Michael, like I don't need
you anymore, you know, I can run this on myself.
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And so I'd say money is a Bit is a
big one for me because it's just it's the it's
the searing of a relationship of a father's son.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, and that's so well told, and like, you know
this is you know, we talked about mom and mea before,
because you know, they come me. It's a very similar
concept of here's a band with a million songs that
everybody knows and they we have now a production based
around the fact that we can tell the story through
some of these songs. Just where we place the songs.
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This show's like that, you know, you don't really know
what song's coming up. It's not just like, hey, here's
little Michael and they're gonna do ABC. It's like, you know,
within the context of a story, some of these songs
will pop up naturally and you guys will actually perform them.
So this is it's an amazing show. I got a
chance to see it last night. You guys are going
to be here through the rest of the week. Geordan,
I'll give you the last word here. Why should people
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come and see this show? If they're thinking about it?
Certainly they know who Michael Jackson is, But what do
you think would be the best elevator pitch to get
people who are on the fence to decide to come
to the orf. We even see you guys perform.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Let's see. I mean, I think people should come see
this show simply because whether you're a theater fan, a
roadway fan or not, or a Michael fan or not,
there's something in this show for every single person that
we've encountered, they've always like, oh my god, either they
were a fan like way back when they're like this
reminded me of so many like great distant memories we've had,
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or we like we're in the car on the way
here talking about birthing new fans of like little kids
coming dressed in like full smooth criminal costumes and like
who weren't even alive when Michael was, and they're in
the crowd loving the music, jumping up and down in
their seat, just want to get up and dance. And
I think anyone on this planet who wants to come
see this show, and if you're on the fence, you
absolutely should just take the jump because you will walk
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away with something that is a guarantee. I can wholeheartedly
say that. And the live band's awesome and oh my gosh,
just all the instrumentation alone. You should come see the show,
like forget us, you come see this band. You know,
everyone on stage is given, they're all at all moments
of the show. So if you want to see some
really pure, fun, full hearted art, come see MJ the Musical.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I totally co signed that. It was a fantastic time
And if you at all like any of this music,
just seeing it performed on stage with the live band
is just so cool. Jordan Marcus playing Michael Jackson and
MJ the Musical. Devin Bolts will be Joseph Jackson and
Rob on the stage. Fellas, thank you so much for
coming in, Welcome to Omaha, and have a great rest
of your week.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Having a thank you