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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, So, to be completely honest with you, I have
never been on a motorcycle. And I'm also I'm a
huge thrill seeking type person. Thrill seeker to the core.
I love roller coasters, I love the idea of skydiving.
I love the idea of being in fast cars and
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going on a racetrack and all sorts of stuff like that.
Never touched a motorcycle that's in motion at all, ever,
and has everything to do with just the fear of Okay,
so if a collision were to happen, you're gonna lose,
no matter what, no matter whose fault it is, no
matter where they hit you. I mean, it's a perilous situation.
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I get the fun, I get the thrill. I'm just
kind of generally a little bit more cautious than having
a motorcycle or riding a motorcycle even what would be
I was offered by a cousin to ride there new
motorcycle once and it was in rural, a rural Iowa
area where there was like no trafficking. And then I
was like, I really don't want to accidentally mess this
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up or crash and then you don't like break my
face or something. So I'd say this because a lot
of people don't like to wear their helmet when they're
riding a motorcycle. That's a big thing, right. Remember Ben
Roethlisberger of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I remember, was he in a motorcycle.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, he's a big motorcycle guy. Was not wearing a
helmet and got injured one off season, and I remember
that they were talking to him and talking to other
motorcyclists that were athletes and said, look, putting that helmet
on is just like putting a gorilla in a cage.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Like it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I mean, you're losing a lot of the whole reason
you do this if you're being told you got to
put a helmet on. But this was twenty years ago almost,
I mean, this is a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Nowadays.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I mean, I'm wearing a helmet just to ride my
bike everywhere, just because you just don't know what could
end up happening. And your head is so like we
all the studies that we've done on head injuries, I mean,
you can't function without your head right. Well, last January first,
in twenty twenty four, there was a repeal of the
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law here in Nebraska that required motorcycle riders to wear helmets.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
So the requirement was gone.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
You do you pal right, And there has been apparently
an increase according to a study from the University of
Nebraska Medical Center, one hundred and ten percent increase for
motorcyclists brought to trauma hospitals, and sixty four percent of
those people were not wearing helmets. Now, if you go
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back to twenty twenty three, the last year of the
helmet rule, you had only one hundred and forty motorcyclists
across the entire year brought to trauma hospitals and Lincoln
in Omaha. Only twenty percent of those patients we're not
wearing their helmet. So that number of not wearing the
helmet goes from twenty percent to sixty four percent, And
the number goes from one hundred and forty motorcyclists in
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Omahon Lincoln to two ninety four. And I'm left asking, Okay,
is anyone surprised here? Any is anyone surprised? This is
like telling people, Okay, there's no longer a law about
you riding in your car and wearing a seat belt
on the front seat. That is completely up to you.
If you don't want to do that. I mean, knock
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yourself out literally, and what do you think would happen.
There'd be a lot more death on the roadways and
even fender bender type accidents. There would be more high
level injuries just because of people not being secured into
their seats. I'm just I'm generally confused, as I love freedom,
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but I'm generally confused as to you know what anybody
expected here?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
These guys hurting you no look, I would like to
know the that's a good macro statistic. I would like
to know the micro of each individual's one and how
many of them were people who were speeding and giving
a regular motorcycle rider is a really bad name. They're speeding,
the racing, they're weaving a traffic They got these cheap
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little bikes and they're goofing off and they're not driving
safe and they they were going to get an accident
that was going to lead to them being in the
hospital one way or the other. Helmet or not sure
versus the number of people who are driving safely can
still choose to wear a motorcycle helmet. There are a
number of people who say, yeah, for all the reasons
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you gave, I expect if I were in a crash,
a helmet would help me. I don't like splaying my
beautiful head of hair across the pavement. But there are
also those that say that if you get in an
accident you got a helmet on, now you're in a
better chance of being in a long term vegetator state
as opposed to just dying. What about those stats motorcycle
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deaths in Nebraska the year before the helmet law, after
the helmet law. I don't care if someone decides not
to wear a helmet. I don't know that they should
be surprised if their head hurts if they're in an accident,
But that's on them, and I would also take it
a step further. I don't care if you don't wear
a seatbelt in your car. You should buckle your kids in.
You should absolutely buckle yourself in. But I don't know
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if there needs to be a law and getting pulled
over for it. That's why some states I think Iowa
still does. This makes it an ability for the cops
to pull you over if they think you're not wearing
a seatbelt.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
You can do that much, which gets abused.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And then in Nebraska, I don't think it's a primary
offense where they can pull you over for it. But
it's a little digression.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, but I think there's a one to one there
comparing the laws, right, because it is a law set
up to look out for you directly in lookout for
the people in your car.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
There's a lot of studies that are done that the
seat belt can do a lot to save you in
the collision. But if you are willing to just forego
that safety, knowing that there's a chance that maybe you'll
be in a collision, and then who knows what happens
to you? At what point is that the government's responsibilities.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Government doesn't go door to door at dairy queen and
go not you fatty pull it around, go get a salad. Yeah,
you know, the government doesn't mandate that you go to
the doctor once or twice a year. That is true,
without you know, issuing some sort of fine or something
like that. Do you want to see the motorcycle helmet
law put back in place? I would say that it's
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a good law. I don't know if I need to
see it back in place. I'm just I'm just asking
people if they're surprised at the findings of this one
year's worth, it took one year for it to go
up one hundred and ten percent in a huge gain.
Of those numbers were helmetless riders. I've seen a lot
of a lot more bad motorcyclists driving around the streets
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with the cheaper bikes. I'm not talking about those guys.
Spend a bunch of money on a Harley and take
care of it.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You guys that are popping wheelies behind you know, city
buses and stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'm with you on you know what.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
One of the biggest reasons why Nebraska repealed that law finally,
because we want all those people going to Sturgis to
drive through Nebraska, stay in our hotels, and eat in
our restaurants in the way up there. We lose a
ton of money by having a helmet law, by having
all those motorcyclists go around Nebraska to get to Sturgis.
I'm curious what it looks like here in the state
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in early August when they have the big annual.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Rally up there. That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
There's a lot of restaurants, sand hills, hotels in places
like that that say you cannot repeal this helmet law
or you can't reinstate the helmet law because our customer
base around the time of year went up one thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, it's a good point, it is. How do you
feel about it?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
If you're a motorcycle rider, I'd love to hear from
you today on this, whether you go to Sturgis or not.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Hit me up.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Four oh two five five eight eleven ten. Four h
two five five eight eleven ten. Let's start with Joel
on our phone line at four oh two five five
eight eleven ten. Joel, Welcome to our show today, Joel.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Are you there?
Speaker 5 (08:04):
I am here.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yep, go ahead, Joel, what's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Hello?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Hello, Joel, you're on the air. Fire away, buddy, Yep,
go ahead.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
My comment is with the helmet, how many of those
four individuals end up being on Medicaid after serious injuries
and then you and I say for that and are
extra taxes? Is another concern about not wearing a helmet?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
HM interesting, especially with all the Medicare Medicaid talk in
the Big Beautiful Bill. I think that's a pretty interesting point.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
That you made there.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I don't know what that number looks like, Joel, but
I think that's an interesting perspective of kind of like
the what the healthcare looks like for you know, that
person beyond the accident. I really appreciate you bringing that
to light today. Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
You're welcome and I always enjoy your show.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Thank you very much, Thank you, sir. That means a
lot to me.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, I don't have the numbers of that in front
of me, of you know what that looks like as
far as you know, long term recovery, being on Medicare
and Medicaid in the government having to help pay for
something that happened to a person because they weren't wearing
a helmet on a motorcycle. Don't know for sure, but
it is kind of an interesting angle to this if
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you think about it. Corey is on our line four two, five, five,
eight to eleven ten. Corey, welcome into the show today.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
Hello, good afternoon to you as well. So as a
as a bike rider, both sport bike and cruiser, my
thoughts are, it's my choice and that's part of being
an American. It's my choice. However, if I choose to
ride without a helmet and something happens to me, then
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that was my choice and I should have to pay
for that accordingly, So maybe if the insurance company said, hey,
you know what, if you're in an accident and you're
not wearing a helmet, we're not going to ensure you.
Speaker 9 (10:01):
It's a choice.
Speaker 8 (10:03):
So you took that choice.
Speaker 10 (10:05):
You took that risk.
Speaker 8 (10:06):
Now, when I ride my sport bike, I always wear
my helmet, but when I ride my cruiser, I don't,
and that's my choice.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
So so, Corey, when the law was in place to
wear the helmet, were you actively wearing that when you're
out and riding just to comply with the law.
Speaker 8 (10:23):
When I was in Iowa, I didn't because they didn't
have that law. But when I went into Nebraska, I did.
I did wear it. But in the back of my
mind again, it was they're dictating to me what I
need to do and how I need to do it.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Interesting, And like you said, if you were assuming all
of the risk, then at what point do you just
let me make the decisions myself?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It did? You know? That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 8 (10:47):
And I also have a jeep that doesn't and you
see a lot of jeeps around it. They don't have
tops on them and they don't have doors on them.
And what if you get ejected from there and you're
in the back seat. That was your choice, that was
your choice.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's yep, good points there, Corey. All around the board,
appreciate you being a part of the show today. Thank
you for listening. Tom is on our phone line for
two five, five eight to eleven ten. Tom, you're on eleven ten, kfab.
Speaker 11 (11:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (11:12):
I'd like to start up by saying I'm a firm
believer and wearing a helmet. In fact, I always wear
a good quality, full face helmet, not one of those
make believe helmets. Okay, because even if you don't get
in the wreck, if you hit a sparrow in the
face at eighty mile an hour, it's gonna hurt.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I can see how that would hurt.
Speaker 10 (11:26):
Yeah, But with that being said, I think it's a choice.
And I don't like law saying that you have to
wear a helmet anymore than I would want the loss
stepping in that saying you have to eat a vegetarian
diet rather hamburgers and French.
Speaker 12 (11:41):
Fries every day.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, imagine the uproar if they would have suggested that.
It's like, you can't do that. You can't make me
eat my vegetables. It's a good point, Tom, But are
you opposed to the idea of you know, like you said,
you're a big fan of wearing helmets, but would you
be opposed if there was a further study that said,
you know, that they fatality rate was higher and the
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trauma that it could potentially cause a person who was
in a collision with a motorcycle if they were not
wearing a helmet. Because I mean not to say that
you can protect against everything. Let's just say it's an
honest to goodness accident, but all of a sudden, because
that motorcyclist wasn't wearing a helmet, now they're going to
be a much more serious condition and the.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Effect that could be on the driver of the other vehicle.
Speaker 10 (12:28):
Yeah, well, it's a no brainer that if you don't
wear a helmet, your chances of getting a hurt are
much greater. But you know, the insurance companies have the capability,
like other people were saying, you're getting a wreck.
Speaker 12 (12:40):
And you're not wearing a helmet, we'll cancel you, we
won't carry it again, or we'll double your insurance or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yea, it makes sense. Tom, appreciate you calling in. Thanks
so much for listening to our show today. All right,
we got the phone lines lined up, David, amber Mark
and Stuart. We are going to get to them in
just one second. If you are a rider, you have
an opinion on the helmet law, the repeal of it,
and also the study that came out that said we're
looking at one hundred and ten percent increase in trauma
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related hospital states for motorcyclists after the repeal of this law.
Hit me up four, two, five, five, eight, eleven ten
more coming up on news Radio eleven ten. Kfab and
Marie Sunger. David's on the phone line to get us
started here on this segment. David, welcome to our show today.
Speaker 13 (13:26):
Hi, there, good to listen to you.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Thanks.
Speaker 13 (13:31):
Beyond the insurance companies, there's Medicare and Medicaid, and I
will what I would like to see is if these
people don't want to wear a helmet when they go
get their driver's license, they need to sign an affer
David at the courthouse stating that they will never become
a ward of the state because Medicare and Medicaid will
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have to take care of them long term.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So what you're saying is there should be a There
should be kind of a clause that when you get
your motorcycle license that you kind of waive your right
in a motorcycle related instance, to be on Medicare and Medicaid,
even if it does cost you thousands and thousands of
dollars in medical bills.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Is what you're saying.
Speaker 13 (14:16):
Well, yes, everybody's saying, that's your free choice not to
wear a helmet. I don't want to have to pay
for that guy's free choice of not wearing a helmet.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It's interesting, and we did have another person say, you know,
I'm one erder the percentage or how many you know,
how many dollars a year go to people who were
not wearing a seat boat or were not wearing a
motorcycle helmet when they were out and about. It's interesting, David,
and I think that if that was the case, I
wonder how many people actually would take this a bit
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more seriously, which you know, and I think for the college,
I appreciate it. It's not to say that, you know,
it's not to say that you shouldn't have the choice. Still,
but I I'm a little bit more in tune with
what David is saying on that, just because if all
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of a sudden you were not on the hook for
your own medical bills, would you be a little bit
more cavalier about your attitude towards the way that you
would be operating your motorcycle. Maybe I don't know if
that's always going to be the case, but maybe Amber's
on the phone line four h two five five eight
eleven ten. Welcome to eleven ten, kfab Amber.
Speaker 14 (15:24):
Thank you. So a bit of background. I have several
health conditions. I've been in and out of the er
several times this year for them. And back in March
I had neurovirus and had a several hour wait during
which I was going into a dreanal crisis and I
was pretty sure I was dying, which my lab results
that I got the next day when I was actually recovering,
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confirmed that my blood gases were in the twenties when
they should have been in the fifties. And during that
time that I was waiting and I felt like I
was dying, I was not. I was sitting waiting room.
The nurses weren't taking it very seriously. It was just
a mess. And my thought on this is if there
are gonna be people who are going to tie up
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the hospitals because of their stupidity. And I'm actually sitting
in the waiting room, sick and possibly dying. There's a problem.
What about my life? This law needs to come back,
maybe not to protect them, but to protect me and
others like me from their stupidity. I don't need their
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Darwin Award.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Hmm wow. I mean that's some strong words Amber.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
But for anybody who's thinking, okay, well that doesn't make
any sense, well, I literally have the numbers here you
and MC in Lincoln and Obrasca or hospitals in Lincoln.
In Omaha, sorry, one hundred and forty motorcyclists were in
trauma hospitals over that entire calendar year. That number jumped
up to two hundred and ninety four. So that's one
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hundred and fifty four more people who had motorcycle can
relate to trauma injuries in one calendar year than the
year before. I mean, that's one hundred and fifty four
more hospital rooms or hospital beds that were being taken
up by somebody who was on a motorcycle. So if
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you're trying to discount what Amber was saying there a
little bit, just keep in mind that we do have
the numbers here that one hundred and fifty four additional
people were suffering from trauma related motorcycle injuries.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Just thrown that out there. It's a good point.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I don't know, I don't know how many people who
are bikers would listen to the way she said that
and say, I don't feel stupid for, you know, getting
run over by a vehicle. But alas Mark's on a
phone line four oh two, five, five, eight to eleven ten, Mark,
we do appreciate you for being on the show today.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 15 (17:48):
Hey, I'm glad to be here. Thank you for having
me memory. Yeah, you know, I'm I was a motorcycle rider.
I still have my certification, but I've not ridden since
about nineteen seventy.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
Line.
Speaker 15 (18:01):
In seventy five, I was out on a gravel road.
You know how they have three paths. I was in
the middle. I went to crossover to get into the
right path on that gravel road and it threw me.
And I have the brand on my forehead where my
muffler was resting on my forehead branding me until a
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guy came along and lifted that bike off my forehead.
The only reason I'm alive is because I had a
helmet on cradling my head as my motorcycle came down
on it, and you know, the only So a couple
of things I'd like you to think about, and I'm
just to build on what the last person said. I
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think that bikers should be required if they're not going
to wear a helmet, they should be required to get
a no bike helmet insurance policy that will take care
of them for the rest of their lives if they
are come atoast or disabled in any way. The second
thing that I'd like you to think about is having
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the organ donor requirement for people who ride their bikes
with no helmets. Same things should apply with people that
drive their cars without the seat belt. They should be
required to donate their organs if they become dead brain dead,
because that would go a long ways to save in
a lot of people's lives, because people want to be
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free and right have the hair blowing back on their heads.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Those are some pretty strong opinions there, Mark, and I
do appreciate you for calling in. Thanks so much for listening.
And that's again a bit of an echo there from
the last callar before just saying, look, there are you
may not think that this affects other people, but it
can absolutely affect other people in certain ways. And the
whole uh organ donor thing, that's that's a completely different topic.
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But I also know that people who have the organ
donor thing on there. I'll be honest, I don't know
why you wouldn't be an organ donor. Maybe you have
like some sort of religious thing that you want to
keep all your organs intact, but I mean, you're not
going to be using them after a certain time. That's
how I feel. We'll take one more before we hit
the break. Here, Stewart's on a phone line four oh two,
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five five, eight eleven ten. Stuart, you got something on
your mind today?
Speaker 16 (20:30):
Yeah, boy, tell you what. You had a really good
topic here. I've got a lot of thoughts on it,
but not enough time for it all. So my one
thought with regards to the the no helmet law is
that maybe there's a kind of a meet in the
middle option. One of the things in my forty years
of writing and thirty years of racing in the national circuits,
these helmets are very useful.
Speaker 17 (20:49):
Law or not.
Speaker 16 (20:50):
I'm riding with a helmet period. But some of the
younger kids may not have the sixth sense that we're
experienced writers have. You know, we learned that if we're writing,
everybody's on the road trying to kill us, and if
you don't ride like that, you're probably gonna get hit.
So these younger riders that don't have that experience level yet,
maybe there's another thing that says they need to have
their helmet on regardless for second number, two years, three years, whatever,
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until they have X number of miles under their belt.
But they can say, hey, I can now make the
decision my choice now at this point where I can
go without a helmet.
Speaker 10 (21:24):
Yeah, it's not about it.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, it's not a bad idea sture. My only thing
as far as like enforcement, like how would we enforce that.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I don't know if people were getting pulled.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Over for not wearing a motorcycle helmet before, but would
this be something like if you were to get into
an accident or you did, you know, get you know,
violate a different moving violation, that could be tacked on
that you weren't wearing a helmet with the with those
certain credentials, or you could.
Speaker 16 (21:50):
Look at something the way the Europeans do it where
when you're in the learner's status, whiss played on your
motorcycle is color something that's visually observable by a police officer.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Nice.
Speaker 16 (21:59):
And back to Amber's comment, if I can put one
more thought on that, it's a slippery slope. Just declaring
that someone riding a motorcycle is causing and you know
the delay is unacceptable. That opens up a whole can
of worms. As far as you know, people that are
morbidly obese and can't stop eating, they're a lot you know,
the same thing for things that are so that. Can
you see what I'm going down?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, totally, all sorts.
Speaker 16 (22:20):
Of things kind of who makes the determination of what's
acceptable and what's not? Yeah, yeah, it gets ugly quick.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Hey, thanks Stuart. I really appreciate this.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Good thoughts say tak Yeah, I mean, and I again,
I don't disagree with most of what he said right there.
I agree about the whole uh you know, slippery slope
of that, but I also think that we need to
keep you know, in mind that one hundred and fifty
four additional beds were needed for motorcyclists in twenty twenty four,
So it's not that Outland as to say, well, the
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helmetless motorcycle riders are indeed taking up more hospital beds
than they were before. Not that I have super strong
opinions on that, yeah, but it is a fact.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Gary. Welcome to our show today. What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Oh? I participated in the study up in South Dakota
that was done very much like this when they tried
to pass the law that you had to have motorcycle helmets.
And here's the statistics that we did come up with.
I might want to also add that I used to
be a safety training officer or a safety trainer up
in South Dakota for motorcycles. And here's the real facts
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that we came up with away from helmet is the
amount of experience the bike rider had majority like as
in eighty some percent of the people hurt in motorcycle
accidents were less than two seasons of bike riding seasons.
And the other statistic that we stumbled into was only
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one percent of the people that were hurt in motorcycle
accidents their parents let them get a mini bike when
they were little kids, and then they kept graduating up
to more and more more powerful bikes. And what we
found with a majority, I mean like ninety percent of
the people that were getting hurt on motorcycles.
Speaker 18 (24:08):
Their mom and dad said, you can't have a motorcycle.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
You get it when you're an adult. Sure, So they
were nineteen twenty years old. They didn't go buy that
one twenty five foo food bike that wasn't capable of
over forty miles an hour and they had to ride
in the dirt, you know. They went out and bought
a GS eleven hundred that was capable of one hundred
miles an hour in the city block. Those were ones
getting hurt the worst. Right, And once we got done
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with that study, right, Gary, Yeah, data, South Dakota did
not pass a motorcycle helmet law because we didn't find
the relevance strong enough that it was motorcycles to take
away that freedom or that right.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I appreciate it. Gary, that's a really good point.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And there are other aspects of this, like who is
riding the bikes, how experienced they are, that maybe we
weren't taking into account here. It's very interesting. Bill's on
our phone line. Try to get the bill here real quick. Bill,
welcome to our show today. What's on your mind?
Speaker 9 (24:59):
Well, my question is of all these extra people, how
many of them are actually head dramas. And since the
repeal of the law and we have all the extra
riders coming through Nebraska, are we you know, is it
still the same percentage?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, great question. I don't have those numbers in front
of me.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
You know that we can look at the correlation of
you know, one hundred and forty motorcyclists in twenty twenty
three versus two ninety four. But if all of a
sudden there's like three or four thousand more motorcyclists that
were coming through Nebraska last year because there was no law,
then is it really that different. It's just, you know,
we have more motorcyclists on the road. I don't have
that number, So I think it is a good point
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if we had kind of some data on that, you know,
beyond what that looks like. I think that could be
also an interesting perspective to bring up here. Let's squeeze
in glennon real quick before I hit the top of
the hour. Glenn, what's going on with you?
Speaker 13 (25:57):
Hey?
Speaker 19 (25:58):
Being a former thirty retired paramedic who worked the field,
I question how the numbers are being presented by the
representatives of the facilities, because the injuries need to be
detailed down as to whether they're head related or just
general increase in trauma in general.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, so a lot.
Speaker 19 (26:21):
Of the questions have already been answered or have already
brought up in regards to that. I don't think it
has anything to do with the helmets one way or
the other. It has to do with whether or not
it's head related trauma.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, And it's a good point, Glynn. And my hope
is that maybe we have when the actual study is released,
because this is just some basic information that was given
to the press.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Ahead of the release of the study.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Maybe when we get the full study, we can get
a little bit more detailed on exactly what those injuries
potentially would be and if they are more head related.
Even if, like the number was sixty four percent of
the people who were in trauma related hospital stays because
of motorcycling, You're right, it may not be all head related,
but I feel like that number being so much higher
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than the year before it kind of leads you to
believe that it probably is. We'll take more calls when
we come back. Four oh two, five, five, eight, eleven ten,
four h two, five, five, eight to eleven ten. We're
talking to you on news radio eleven ten KFAB. One
thing that we were talking about in the first hour
and I want to continue that conversation, maybe wrap that
up here in this first half hour, is there's a
research being done at the University of Nebraska Medical Center.
(27:26):
A big study is going to come out, but some
of it has come out to the press beforehand, and
it includes a big increase one hundred and ten percent
increase in fact of motorcyclists brought to trauma hospitals and
Lincoln in Omaha between twenty twenty three and twenty twenty
four and twenty three. There was still a helmet line
place twenty twenty four that was repealed, and we don't
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know how many additional motorcyclists may have been in Nebraska
at the time. We don't exactly know how many of
those traumatic injuries were head related, which certainly would be
all that you should care about as far as the
helmet study goes. But they did say that sixty four
percent of that big number in twenty twenty four we're
not wearing a helmet, versus only twenty percent back in
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twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
For whatever, it's worth getting.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Your thoughts on this, whether you're a rider or somebody's
got an opinion on this. Four h two five five
eight to eleven ten is the number we have Bob
on the phone line. Bob, welcome to our show today.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Hi Emery, how are you?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I'm great man. What's up with you?
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Well, Amory, I'll tell you what. I was a test
writer for a local Heartley Davidson dealership for eighteen years,
so I don't think that there's going to be anybody
that has put any more miles on a bike than.
Speaker 19 (28:38):
What I have.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
And I went down just two times in those eighteen years.
First time was I got hit by a cement truck
and the second time I was test riding the bike
and it didn't have any breaks.
Speaker 19 (28:53):
Oh, and.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Wouldn't I wouldn't ride a mile without having a helmet. Interesting, now,
I guess that if I had, if I was pressed
and had to say, I believe in is there a
choice or not? I wouldn't want to have to make
that choice. But I guess I would have to say,
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I think it is somebody's choice whether they're going to
wear a helmet or not, but they're a fool to
get on a bike and not wear a helmet.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
That's interesting, Bob.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And I've had people email me today and say you
prepare for the slide, not for the ride, or something
like that.
Speaker 17 (29:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Well, yeah, my last the time that I went down
with the bike had no brakes. As I was sliding
on the pavement, I felt my head hit the pavement
and slide across the pavement. And I remember that very well,
and it even went through my mind and a split second,
I'm glad I got this helmet on, and there's scratches
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on my helmet, but there's no scratches on my head.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Wow, it's really good perspective there, Bob. Really appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
For calling in today, you bet, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, no problem at all. Craig is on our phone
line four oh two, five five eight to eleven ten. Craig,
welcome to eleven ten kfab.
Speaker 20 (30:11):
Well, i'm talking. Excuse me, I'm calling about the so
called individual freedom of choice about motorcycle riders. Okay, I
mean if a motorcycle writer has no health insurance of
any kind and he has a serious head injury and
extor where he's in the hospitalized for a long period
of time. Who's going to pay his medical debts? The
texpert something me, So think about Kak.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, that's you're not I know, you're not the first
person to bring that up, Craig, And like how that
looks and whether or not maybe somebody who wants to
have that freedom of choice should have to sign a
waiver that they would not be covered by uh, you know,
government aided medical payments like Medicare or medicaid. Would that
be something that you would think that is a good
compromise on this.
Speaker 20 (30:54):
Well, it'd be a good start anyway. Now, I am
in favor of the helmet laucause people they say it's
individual head, but people aren't always able to protect themselves,
he said, you know, and I'll speak from another thing.
I have an older brother. He had a motorcycle and
he was kind of I got wild and careless. One
time he took a turn too fast and he turned
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too sharp, and he had a rack and his head
hit the pavement. Now, if he hadn't been wearing a helmet,
he could have been done for have had some real
serious injuries conturned with Yeah, probably personal, but I think,
you know, I support the helmet law, because, like you said,
a waiver might be a good start. But I mean,
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but some people are so wild and reckless they don't
think to wear a helmet. They, like I said that,
they get, you know, severely injured in an accidents. Why
with that insurance oftentimes taxpayers put.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
The billy you know, yeah, Craig, it's an interesting perspective
on it.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I appreciate you calling in man. Thanks for listening to
our show.
Speaker 20 (31:55):
Yeah yeah, my path set along, you know, yeah, thanks.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
No problem. I appreciate you for being on the air.
This is.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I think the part of this we don't think about
is how maybe something seems to be kind of victimless
or that I'm the only person that has to answer
for this, versus the plausibility of maybe the government would
be on the hook to paying my medical bills for
one reason or another. That opens in different can of worms,
(32:26):
And I was even prepared to open today, And I'm
not exactly sure how a lot of that works out.
To get insurance for motorcycles and motorcycle riding. As far
as I'm under the impression, I've never touched a motorcycle
that was in motion before in my life. But I'm
under the impression that is a different package than the
one that you have for your vehicle or for your car,
for your house or anything like that. So maybe there's
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already kind of a built in coverage set up there.
But maybe there are rules that say, well, if you're
not wearing a helmet, you are no longer covered by us.
And that's to kind of try to force the person
who's on motorcycle to actually wear their helmet. I'm you
know that is me just kind of thinking out loud.
I don't know that for sure. Larry's on the phone
line four oh two, five, five, eight eleven ten. Welcome
(33:10):
to our show, Larry, what's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (33:12):
Uh, I'll tell you what I rode bix years ago.
I don't write anymore, but you know, the helmet law.
I've seen upsides and downsides. The big thing is that
all these surveys are will have to do with hospital reports.
What they need to do with survey surveys the action
of reports. See what caused that action? Was it from
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people pulling out in front of them? Was it from
them being stupid? I mean, nobody, nobody clickings that. It's
always a hospital report, and that's the bottle, I got
to say, but take a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, thanks Larry, appreciate you being on the show. So again,
this is not a full study yet.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
This is kind of.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Specific information that has been sent to the media, and
you know, maybe we're buying it hook line and sinker
and making our own core relations to the repeal of
the helmet law and why there were a lot more
people in traumatic situations and motorcycles in Omaha and Lincoln
versus the year before when the helmet law was instituted.
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That I would hope for a full, legitimate study. I
would hope that there would be some sort of explanation
as to each and every type of injury. Are these
people who were not wearing helmets but were not for
trauma related to their head? Or were these people that
were victims of aggressive vehicular driving They were not doing
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anything wrong and then they were hit. I don't know
if you can really make that big of a determination
on that, because there's going to be bad drivers on
the roads regardless, so you're gonna have to be ready
for that. I've talked about that and just trying to
be defensive in my own vehicle. In my car, I'm
in an SUV Most of the time. I feel pretty
safe in that car. But that doesn't mean that if
somebody's a really reckless driver and decides they're going to
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do something crazy, that that could put me in a
really bad and compromising position to no fault of my own.
Bob is on our phone line at four h two, five, five,
eight to eleven ten. Welcome to the show, Bob.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Yes, just a quick coming. I like this survey that
the Gentleman had earlier about the when you start driving young.
Those percentage guys had less accidents, and I like the
other guy that said he was a test driver. All
of them makes sense. I personally started at eight years old.
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I'm seventy two. I still write. I prefer not to
wear a helmet. I do on long distance trips, just
protection from the sun to wind. My adult son dried
with me if they both wear helmets. My wife wears
a helmet. So maybe I'm the dumb one. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
But what you're saying, Bob is that there's quite a
bit of correlation from your experience that if you get
started young, you're generally more safe when you're out there.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
I think they're going to ride with a little more
experience because when I leave the house, there isn't probably
a time I go out that I'm not probably could
have an accent had I not been driving real defensively.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, no, one hundred percent. Hey, Bob, appreciate the perspective today.
Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 10 (36:08):
Thank you appreciate Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Absolutely, We'll take more calls on this. Four h two
five five eight to eleven ten. If you got some
thoughts on this, whether you're a rider or just somebody
that's noticed something about motorcyclists and helmets, we'd love to
hear from you today four h two five five eight
to eleven ten on News Radio eleven ten.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Kfab em Ry's songer on news Radio eleven ten.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Kfab Ray is on the line. He'll start us this segment. Ray,
Welcome to our show today.
Speaker 21 (36:36):
What are you thinking about, Hey, Hemory, I'm sixty seven.
I've been riding since I was I don't know, maybe
fifteen sixteen, never gotten an accident yet. I'm a really
good defensive rider and that makes all the difference in
the world. But as far as these people who are
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calling in and talking about, well, who's gonna pay for it?
If they don't have insurance. The last time I knew.
If I get into an accident and I don't have
insurance and I'm rushed to the hospital, they are required
to save my life. I'm not put in the corner
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till we find out whether or not I have insurance.
They're required by law to save my life. So, whether
I got insurance or not, the taxpayers are gonna pay
for it, or my insurance company's gonna pay for it,
or somebody's gonna pay for it. But you know it
to away the well, put it on the taxpayers because
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you got it anyway. You just hope the person has insurance.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, well, I mean, and that's a good point. And Ray,
they're not exactly gonna not give you care when you
need it an emergency situation regardless, Right. So it's something
to think about. It's just interesting to see who would
be on the hook for that. If you said that
the writer himself for herself was on the hook for
their related injuries. If they're not wearing a helmet or
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proper safety gear, would that make them want to wear
proper safety gear to know that they would have the
insurance on top of that. I think that would be
an interesting conversation to have. Appreciate the call today, Ray,
thanks for listening to our show. Gary's on our phone
line at four two, five, five eight to eleven ten. Gary,
You're on eleven tin kfab.
Speaker 12 (38:24):
Hey, Emery, thanks for taking my call. I just have
a couple of thoughts I would like to know, like
when they raised a speed limit from fifty five to seventy,
how many more emergency visits were there? And also if
they sign a waiver for insurance, what happens if you're
caught twenty miles over the speed limit? Do you lose
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your insurance at that time?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I don't really know how a lot of that works, Gary,
because I'll be honest, I haven't knock on wood. I
haven't gotten a moving violation since twenty ten, so I
haven't really like, I don't know exactly how some of
that works. Haven't been on my own car insurance and
actually gotten into trouble for you know, like do I
get a weight Like does my insurance company not have
to pay for something that I did or was a
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part of if I was going too fast in a
speed limit? And same thing for maybe motorcyclists if they're
driving recklessly on a bike. I mean, first of all,
that's probably pretty dumb and considering that you're going to
lose every collision that you're in. But also, is there
some sort of clause in the insurance that says if
you're going too fast over the speed limit, or you
run a red light, or you're not wearing a helmet
and suffer injuries, that we don't cover you. If that's
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the case, then I think we need to be articulating
that a bit more to the people that are getting
the insurance, because nobody's ever said anything like that to
me about my insurance with my vehicle. So, but it's
an interesting conversation to have. Gary really appreciate you for
being on the show today. Let's go ahead and jump
to Adam on the line. Adam on eleven ten kfab,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
What's going on?
Speaker 18 (39:55):
Hey, thanks for taking my call. So I've been listening
to the last hour. The general theme I'm getting from
all the callers is what about me? What about my
tax dollars? Well, I mean I'm looking at my past
sub right now, and there's Medicare employee tax right there,
you know, federal upholding tax right there, You're already paying
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for it. If the helmet law isn't making your taxes
go up.
Speaker 16 (40:20):
Sure, and there's also the.
Speaker 18 (40:22):
Argument about, you know, giving up security for liberty. You know,
if you need the government to tell you to put
on a helmet.
Speaker 9 (40:31):
Are you giving you're.
Speaker 18 (40:32):
Giving up your liberty there, You're asking for big government
to step in and tell you what you do. You know,
I'm as a conservative, I want smaller government. I don't
need the government to come in and tell me you
need to wear a seatbelt, you need to wear a
helmet like it.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
Just let me live my life.
Speaker 16 (40:48):
Get off my back.
Speaker 18 (40:49):
You're already I'm already looking at my past of the
Medicare tax is already there.
Speaker 10 (40:53):
So I'm not worried.
Speaker 18 (40:53):
About paying for someone else because I'm already doing it.
You know, I can't opt out of it. You know,
it's not gonna make my tax dollars go up anymore.
Taxes go up every year anyways, I'm yet to see
them ever go down. Yeah, regardless of who's in charge.
So that's all I got, you know, it's all the
whole theme today's been what about me? That's all I've
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got from this, So thank you.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, and I appreciate it, Adam. And let's be honest.
Is not everything we talk about mostly all about me?
I mean, if we're gonna be honest about this, we
talk about illegal immigration, Well, how is that affecting me? Well,
we get upset about things that are happening that are president,
you know, the previous president, current president. Well what does
this do? Like, how does this affect me? We are
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always thinking about me, And if I'm not a motorcycle rider,
I couldn't care less if there is or isn't a
helmet law, It's not gonna affect me. But I do
think that there is something to be said for the
fact that maybe if we did have rules in place
for one thing or another. And I'm not advocating for
the rules, mind you. I'm just making that very clear.
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I'm not advocating for that. But what I am saying
is if it proves that it does result in less trauma,
less traumatic motorcycle related injuries, and we know that, and
there's a study that proves that, then is there not
some sort of responsibility that potentially our government, our local
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leaders need to come up with a plan to educate
people to that extent. If not also just saying, look,
this is for your own good. We have the evidence.
I don't know, And again, I'm not the kind of
combative type that's going to be like, well, you can't
tell me that I should or shouldn't wear a seat belt. Well,
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being raised with that being a law, and also seeing
people I've been in cars with getting pulled over because
they weren't wearing a seat belt.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
I've wore my seatbelt.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I don't even notice it anymore, and I know that
it's keeping me safe if I were to get into
a collision. So I don't know, that's just me and
maybe you're seeing things differently, but I just it's not
just this conversation. And he's right, we're not paying more
in taxes, you know, it's just coming out of a
fund that already has a bunch of money going into it.
But every conversation we have, honestly, most people are coming
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to it from the angle of well what about me,
that's nothing new. Tom is on our phone line four two, five, five, eight,
eleven ten. Tom, how's it going today?
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Tom? Are you there?
Speaker 15 (43:28):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Let's go to Bernie real quick. Bernie, appreciate you for
being on the show today.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
What's going on?
Speaker 12 (43:33):
Hi, am Mary.
Speaker 17 (43:34):
I love the topic today.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Thanks.
Speaker 17 (43:36):
Been riding motorcycle since nineteen seventy. Since I was the kid.
My dad always told me, you got you have eyes.
Speaker 10 (43:42):
In the front of your head, the side of your head,
in the back of your head.
Speaker 17 (43:44):
I get that. I think short and sweet. I think
Japanese motorcycle rider's helmet mandatory. American motorcycle manufactured drivers, I'm
thinking helmet should be optional. I don't want him take
away my freedom. I love motorcycling. I get the point.
Driving down the road and you see these young guys
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on these small cc Japanese motorcycles. They're faster than ever. Yeah,
and they zoom in and out of the traffic.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (44:12):
I get it. I understand it. It's an experienced thing.
I know we all have the same kind of a skull.
But I just think that the younger generation, they just
need to slow down. And I think the helmet law
needs to be mandatory for the younger generation on the
Japanese bikes, American bikes optional.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Hey, Bertie, I really appreciate the perspective. That's a different
take and I love that. Thanks for calling in today.
Thank you Frank's on our phone line of four h two, five, five,
eight to eleven ten And Frank, what do you say
on your mind today?
Speaker 22 (44:43):
Well, I've been riding motorcycless i was twelve, and its
treet bikes since I was seventeen. I'm fifty eight, and
I remember when we didn't have a law, we had
the same amount of accidents, probably, but there wasn't that
much trauma. But today it seems like whether we wear
a helmet or not, there's still a lot of accidents,
but there's also so a lot of people not paying attention.
I told my mom one day, I almost get hit
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once I ride my bike because somebody's not paying attention
to us riders. So, I mean, I still like the
idea of a choice, but half the time. I mean,
I wear a helmet anyway, but still some people don't,
and that's their choice. But I think that I think
that the other everybody is.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
To make it on their own, you know, yeah, I
think that's probably the consensus, Frank, more so than anything else,
is that people should have the freedom to make their
own decisions. I think the questions around it that go
deeper of like, okay, so will these people end up
being on Medicare or Medicaid if they don't take care
of themselves on the roadways, or is there some sort
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of you know, governmental aspect that needs to be overseeing
this kind of thing. It's it's a conversation I think
has been a productive one for us. But I think
the consensus would be we don't need a lot to
tell people that a helme is going to save their life.
Speaker 22 (45:56):
Interesting, and I got two sons that also wrecked on
their motor cycles and they had helmets on which basically
saved their heads.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, Yeah, I mean, and we learned about this when
we're really little. I mean, it takes somebody to be
very stubborn to decide not to wear a helmet if
that's not what they want to do. I appreciate the call, Frank,
thanks for listening to the show today. Last word on this, Scott,
This has been an interesting conversation I myself and you.
I don't know how often that we would think about
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this otherwise, but when you have something that says there
was a one hundred and ten percent increase in trauma
patients that were on motorcycles from twenty three to twenty four,
and that is in direct correlation with this law. Yes,
there are some numbers I need to know. Is there
more motorcyclists? Is you know, is all this head trauma related?
Or is this just kind of a coincidence. But at
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the same time, I think that there's there's something here
that is worth digging into a little bit deeper.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
I believe the numbers. I wonder because it sounded like
earlier you specifically said that there was an increase in
trauma patients at hospitals and Omaha Lincoln. There's a big
reason why that might be. It also goes back to
a caller in the last hour named Amber, who says
I was nearly dying there in the waiting room and
they couldn't get to me because there were all these
people coming in there and they thought their priority was
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more than mine because I didn't look like it was
openly bleeding and all that. All of this has to
do with everything from ridiculous government reimbursement rates on Medicare
and Medicaid, especially the fraud with Medicaid, and then all
this the ways that COVID jacked up hospitals to where
you've got staff big staffing issues and a lot of hospitals,
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a ton of staffing issues and a bunch of hospitals,
especially in rural areas. So if you're seeing an increase
in trauma patience in Omahon Lincoln, it's because they don't
have the staff for the ability to take care of
them in some of the other places.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
So that's one.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
If you're waiting there and they're not getting you, that's
a more of a staffing issue than there are. Just
hospitals or motorcyclists stacking up one by one on Center
Street and they're operating them in there before you.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yeah, that said.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
A lot of these callers have made an impact on
me memory by saying, Look, if someone gets in a
motorcycle accident and they don't have a helmet on and
they end up in having to get in the hospital
and they don't have proper insurance, I don't want to
pay for that. You know, I don't want to pay
for that either. So I'm also thinking, it's a lot
of people get shot with guns. It'd be so much
better if we could just take everyone's guns away. If
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we just take everyone's guns away, then that would probably
greatly reduce gun shots. So we'll just go and we'll
just take everyone's guns away. And I don't know if
you know this, but one of the leading causes of
money that's just being wasted on healthcare old people. You
got so many old people out there. You get old,
you got reasons to go to the doctor, and you
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end up having to go like all the time. Do
you have any idea how often the old people in
my family you're they're at the doctor right now just
because it's Friday. So if we could just I don't
want to like put a number on it in terms
of age, but once you're four, time drops below like seven.
Oh you're gone, grandpa, Oh let's go. I don't We
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don't have any why we waste the money on you?
What are you gonna do to help out society? So
I think a lot of your callers have made an
impact on me by saying, why don't want pay for
these guys to get an accident? And then we're gonna
come after you guys that drink too much soda pop
and eat too much junk? Whoa you weigh more than
this much? You're going in the hole with grandpa?
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Oh no, you can't just do that.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
This is what I'm getting from some of your callers today,
So I'm guessing you're in favor of the freedom of choice.
If I rode a motorcycle, I would probably wear a helmet.
I hear from some guys that don't like to ride
with a helmet that says it really jacks up your
peripheral vision, and they like to be able to have
their head on a swivel.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I get that too.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I don't know. I guess it doesn't bother me. If
someone wanted to ride down the street by themselves, standing
on the seat of their motorcycle and doing backflips like
a trained monkey, and they fall off and have to
go to the hospital, that's on them. This is America.
You have you run that guy over if he's on
the side of the road. You're just like you deserve this.
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If he was in my way, I'm not gonna slow down.
I'm not going to look up from texting, you know,
drive around him. So I got stuff to do. But
this is America. You want to be a complete and
income poop, have at it. Just be entertaining on your
way out, That's all I ask.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Yeah, like make me laugh on the way out. I
follow this that's a show.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
I follow these guys on social media who they play
this game where they throw, you know, dodgeballs at each
other at the other guy's blindfold and they can't see,
and man, when they hit each other in the nards,
it's the funniest thing. I laugh every time, Like I
was one hundred percent success rate on getting me to
laugh when that happens.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
So I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Let's let's make it as entertaining as possible. I'm not
that callous, ladies and gentlemen, but I will say this,
we we did. I think we have learned a bit
about the way that people see each other on the
roadways and how they see motorcyclists in general. So if
that's you and you're you know, just like I don't
want my tax dollars to pay for this stuff, Well,
I don't think your tax money went up because this
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number went up. And if there was an announcement made
by the government or by your insurance company saying, look,
we have way too many motorcycle related issues. We need
to raise your tax dollars by a couple of bucks
every paycheck or whatever, I think that would generate a
lot of pushback and rightly so, but that hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
For whatever it's worth,
Okay, So, to be completely honest with you, I have
never been on a motorcycle. And I'm also I'm a
huge thrill seeking type person. Thrill seeker to the core.
I love roller coasters, I love the idea of skydiving.
I love the idea of being in fast cars and
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going on a racetrack and all sorts of stuff like that.
Never touched a motorcycle that's in motion at all, ever,
and has everything to do with just the fear of Okay,
so if a collision were to happen, you're gonna lose,
no matter what, no matter whose fault it is, no
matter where they hit you. I mean, it's a perilous situation.
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I get the fun, I get the thrill. I'm just
kind of generally a little bit more cautious than having
a motorcycle or riding a motorcycle even what would be
I was offered by a cousin to ride there new
motorcycle once and it was in rural, a rural Iowa
area where there was like no trafficking. And then I
was like, I really don't want to accidentally mess this
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up or crash and then you don't like break my
face or something. So I'd say this because a lot
of people don't like to wear their helmet when they're
riding a motorcycle. That's a big thing, right. Remember Ben
Roethlisberger of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I remember, was he in a motorcycle.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, he's a big motorcycle guy. Was not wearing a
helmet and got injured one off season, and I remember
that they were talking to him and talking to other
motorcyclists that were athletes and said, look, putting that helmet
on is just like putting a gorilla in a cage.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Like it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I mean, you're losing a lot of the whole reason
you do this if you're being told you got to
put a helmet on. But this was twenty years ago almost,
I mean, this is a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Nowadays.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I mean, I'm wearing a helmet just to ride my
bike everywhere, just because you just don't know what could
end up happening. And your head is so like we
all the studies that we've done on head injuries, I mean,
you can't function without your head right. Well, last January first,
in twenty twenty four, there was a repeal of the
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law here in Nebraska that required motorcycle riders to wear helmets.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
So the requirement was gone.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
You do you pal right, And there has been apparently
an increase according to a study from the University of
Nebraska Medical Center, one hundred and ten percent increase for
motorcyclists brought to trauma hospitals, and sixty four percent of
those people were not wearing helmets. Now, if you go
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back to twenty twenty three, the last year of the
helmet rule, you had only one hundred and forty motorcyclists
across the entire year brought to trauma hospitals and Lincoln
in Omaha. Only twenty percent of those patients we're not
wearing their helmet. So that number of not wearing the
helmet goes from twenty percent to sixty four percent, And
the number goes from one hundred and forty motorcyclists in
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Omahon Lincoln to two ninety four. And I'm left asking, Okay,
is anyone surprised here? Any is anyone surprised? This is
like telling people, Okay, there's no longer a law about
you riding in your car and wearing a seat belt
on the front seat. That is completely up to you.
If you don't want to do that. I mean, knock
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yourself out literally, and what do you think would happen.
There'd be a lot more death on the roadways and
even fender bender type accidents. There would be more high
level injuries just because of people not being secured into
their seats. I'm just I'm generally confused, as I love freedom,
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but I'm generally confused as to you know what anybody
expected here?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
These guys hurting you no look, I would like to
know the that's a good macro statistic. I would like
to know the micro of each individual's one and how
many of them were people who were speeding and giving
a regular motorcycle rider is a really bad name. They're speeding,
the racing, they're weaving a traffic They got these cheap
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little bikes and they're goofing off and they're not driving
safe and they they were going to get an accident
that was going to lead to them being in the
hospital one way or the other. Helmet or not sure
versus the number of people who are driving safely can
still choose to wear a motorcycle helmet. There are a
number of people who say, yeah, for all the reasons
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you gave, I expect if I were in a crash,
a helmet would help me. I don't like splaying my
beautiful head of hair across the pavement. But there are
also those that say that if you get in an
accident you got a helmet on, now you're in a
better chance of being in a long term vegetator state
as opposed to just dying. What about those stats motorcycle
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deaths in Nebraska the year before the helmet law, after
the helmet law. I don't care if someone decides not
to wear a helmet. I don't know that they should
be surprised if their head hurts if they're in an accident,
But that's on them, and I would also take it
a step further. I don't care if you don't wear
a seatbelt in your car. You should buckle your kids in.
You should absolutely buckle yourself in. But I don't know
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if there needs to be a law and getting pulled
over for it. That's why some states I think Iowa
still does. This makes it an ability for the cops
to pull you over if they think you're not wearing
a seatbelt.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
You can do that much, which gets abused.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And then in Nebraska, I don't think it's a primary
offense where they can pull you over for it. But
it's a little digression.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, but I think there's a one to one there
comparing the laws, right, because it is a law set
up to look out for you directly in lookout for
the people in your car.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
There's a lot of studies that are done that the
seat belt can do a lot to save you in
the collision. But if you are willing to just forego
that safety, knowing that there's a chance that maybe you'll
be in a collision, and then who knows what happens
to you? At what point is that the government's responsibilities.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Government doesn't go door to door at dairy queen and
go not you fatty pull it around, go get a salad. Yeah,
you know, the government doesn't mandate that you go to
the doctor once or twice a year. That is true,
without you know, issuing some sort of fine or something
like that. Do you want to see the motorcycle helmet
law put back in place? I would say that it's
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a good law. I don't know if I need to
see it back in place. I'm just I'm just asking
people if they're surprised at the findings of this one
year's worth, it took one year for it to go
up one hundred and ten percent in a huge gain.
Of those numbers were helmetless riders. I've seen a lot
of a lot more bad motorcyclists driving around the streets
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with the cheaper bikes. I'm not talking about those guys.
Spend a bunch of money on a Harley and take
care of it.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You guys that are popping wheelies behind you know, city
buses and stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'm with you on you know what.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
One of the biggest reasons why Nebraska repealed that law finally,
because we want all those people going to Sturgis to
drive through Nebraska, stay in our hotels, and eat in
our restaurants in the way up there. We lose a
ton of money by having a helmet law, by having
all those motorcyclists go around Nebraska to get to Sturgis.
I'm curious what it looks like here in the state
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in early August when they have the big annual.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Rally up there. That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
There's a lot of restaurants, sand hills, hotels in places
like that that say you cannot repeal this helmet law
or you can't reinstate the helmet law because our customer
base around the time of year went up one thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, it's a good point, it is. How do you
feel about it?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
If you're a motorcycle rider, I'd love to hear from
you today on this, whether you go to Sturgis or not.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Hit me up.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Four oh two five five eight eleven ten. Four h
two five five eight eleven ten. Let's start with Joel
on our phone line at four oh two five five
eight eleven ten. Joel, Welcome to our show today, Joel.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Are you there?
Speaker 5 (08:04):
I am here.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yep, go ahead, Joel, what's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Hello?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Hello, Joel, you're on the air. Fire away, buddy, Yep,
go ahead.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
My comment is with the helmet, how many of those
four individuals end up being on Medicaid after serious injuries
and then you and I say for that and are
extra taxes? Is another concern about not wearing a helmet?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
HM interesting, especially with all the Medicare Medicaid talk in
the Big Beautiful Bill. I think that's a pretty interesting point.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
That you made there.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I don't know what that number looks like, Joel, but
I think that's an interesting perspective of kind of like
the what the healthcare looks like for you know, that
person beyond the accident. I really appreciate you bringing that
to light today. Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
You're welcome and I always enjoy your show.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Thank you very much, Thank you, sir. That means a
lot to me.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, I don't have the numbers of that in front
of me, of you know what that looks like as
far as you know, long term recovery, being on Medicare
and Medicaid in the government having to help pay for
something that happened to a person because they weren't wearing
a helmet on a motorcycle. Don't know for sure, but
it is kind of an interesting angle to this if
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you think about it. Corey is on our line four two, five, five,
eight to eleven ten. Corey, welcome into the show today.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
Hello, good afternoon to you as well. So as a
as a bike rider, both sport bike and cruiser, my
thoughts are, it's my choice and that's part of being
an American. It's my choice. However, if I choose to
ride without a helmet and something happens to me, then
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that was my choice and I should have to pay
for that accordingly, So maybe if the insurance company said, hey,
you know what, if you're in an accident and you're
not wearing a helmet, we're not going to ensure you.
Speaker 9 (10:01):
It's a choice.
Speaker 8 (10:03):
So you took that choice.
Speaker 10 (10:05):
You took that risk.
Speaker 8 (10:06):
Now, when I ride my sport bike, I always wear
my helmet, but when I ride my cruiser, I don't,
and that's my choice.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
So so, Corey, when the law was in place to
wear the helmet, were you actively wearing that when you're
out and riding just to comply with the law.
Speaker 8 (10:23):
When I was in Iowa, I didn't because they didn't
have that law. But when I went into Nebraska, I did.
I did wear it. But in the back of my
mind again, it was they're dictating to me what I
need to do and how I need to do it.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Interesting, And like you said, if you were assuming all
of the risk, then at what point do you just
let me make the decisions myself?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It did? You know? That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 8 (10:47):
And I also have a jeep that doesn't and you
see a lot of jeeps around it. They don't have
tops on them and they don't have doors on them.
And what if you get ejected from there and you're
in the back seat. That was your choice, that was
your choice.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's yep, good points there, Corey. All around the board,
appreciate you being a part of the show today. Thank
you for listening. Tom is on our phone line for
two five, five eight to eleven ten. Tom, you're on eleven ten, kfab.
Speaker 11 (11:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (11:12):
I'd like to start up by saying I'm a firm
believer and wearing a helmet. In fact, I always wear
a good quality, full face helmet, not one of those
make believe helmets. Okay, because even if you don't get
in the wreck, if you hit a sparrow in the
face at eighty mile an hour, it's gonna hurt.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I can see how that would hurt.
Speaker 10 (11:26):
Yeah, But with that being said, I think it's a choice.
And I don't like law saying that you have to
wear a helmet anymore than I would want the loss
stepping in that saying you have to eat a vegetarian
diet rather hamburgers and French.
Speaker 12 (11:41):
Fries every day.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, imagine the uproar if they would have suggested that.
It's like, you can't do that. You can't make me
eat my vegetables. It's a good point, Tom, But are
you opposed to the idea of you know, like you said,
you're a big fan of wearing helmets, but would you
be opposed if there was a further study that said,
you know, that they fatality rate was higher and the
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trauma that it could potentially cause a person who was
in a collision with a motorcycle if they were not
wearing a helmet. Because I mean not to say that
you can protect against everything. Let's just say it's an
honest to goodness accident, but all of a sudden, because
that motorcyclist wasn't wearing a helmet, now they're going to
be a much more serious condition and the.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Effect that could be on the driver of the other vehicle.
Speaker 10 (12:28):
Yeah, well, it's a no brainer that if you don't
wear a helmet, your chances of getting a hurt are
much greater. But you know, the insurance companies have the capability,
like other people were saying, you're getting a wreck.
Speaker 12 (12:40):
And you're not wearing a helmet, we'll cancel you, we
won't carry it again, or we'll double your insurance or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yea, it makes sense. Tom, appreciate you calling in. Thanks
so much for listening to our show today. All right,
we got the phone lines lined up, David, amber Mark
and Stuart. We are going to get to them in
just one second. If you are a rider, you have
an opinion on the helmet law, the repeal of it,
and also the study that came out that said we're
looking at one hundred and ten percent increase in trauma
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related hospital states for motorcyclists after the repeal of this law.
Hit me up four, two, five, five, eight, eleven ten
more coming up on news Radio eleven ten. Kfab and
Marie Sunger. David's on the phone line to get us
started here on this segment. David, welcome to our show today.
Speaker 13 (13:26):
Hi, there, good to listen to you.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Thanks.
Speaker 13 (13:31):
Beyond the insurance companies, there's Medicare and Medicaid, and I
will what I would like to see is if these
people don't want to wear a helmet when they go
get their driver's license, they need to sign an affer
David at the courthouse stating that they will never become
a ward of the state because Medicare and Medicaid will
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have to take care of them long term.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So what you're saying is there should be a There
should be kind of a clause that when you get
your motorcycle license that you kind of waive your right
in a motorcycle related instance, to be on Medicare and Medicaid,
even if it does cost you thousands and thousands of
dollars in medical bills.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Is what you're saying.
Speaker 13 (14:16):
Well, yes, everybody's saying, that's your free choice not to
wear a helmet. I don't want to have to pay
for that guy's free choice of not wearing a helmet.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It's interesting, and we did have another person say, you know,
I'm one erder the percentage or how many you know,
how many dollars a year go to people who were
not wearing a seat boat or were not wearing a
motorcycle helmet when they were out and about. It's interesting, David,
and I think that if that was the case, I
wonder how many people actually would take this a bit
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more seriously, which you know, and I think for the college,
I appreciate it. It's not to say that, you know,
it's not to say that you shouldn't have the choice. Still,
but I I'm a little bit more in tune with
what David is saying on that, just because if all
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of a sudden you were not on the hook for
your own medical bills, would you be a little bit
more cavalier about your attitude towards the way that you
would be operating your motorcycle. Maybe I don't know if
that's always going to be the case, but maybe Amber's
on the phone line four h two five five eight
eleven ten. Welcome to eleven ten, kfab Amber.
Speaker 14 (15:24):
Thank you. So a bit of background. I have several
health conditions. I've been in and out of the er
several times this year for them. And back in March
I had neurovirus and had a several hour wait during
which I was going into a dreanal crisis and I
was pretty sure I was dying, which my lab results
that I got the next day when I was actually recovering,
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confirmed that my blood gases were in the twenties when
they should have been in the fifties. And during that
time that I was waiting and I felt like I
was dying, I was not. I was sitting waiting room.
The nurses weren't taking it very seriously. It was just
a mess. And my thought on this is if there
are gonna be people who are going to tie up
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the hospitals because of their stupidity. And I'm actually sitting
in the waiting room, sick and possibly dying. There's a problem.
What about my life? This law needs to come back,
maybe not to protect them, but to protect me and
others like me from their stupidity. I don't need their
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Darwin Award.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Hmm wow. I mean that's some strong words Amber.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
But for anybody who's thinking, okay, well that doesn't make
any sense, well, I literally have the numbers here you
and MC in Lincoln and Obrasca or hospitals in Lincoln.
In Omaha, sorry, one hundred and forty motorcyclists were in
trauma hospitals over that entire calendar year. That number jumped
up to two hundred and ninety four. So that's one
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hundred and fifty four more people who had motorcycle can
relate to trauma injuries in one calendar year than the
year before. I mean, that's one hundred and fifty four
more hospital rooms or hospital beds that were being taken
up by somebody who was on a motorcycle. So if
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you're trying to discount what Amber was saying there a
little bit, just keep in mind that we do have
the numbers here that one hundred and fifty four additional
people were suffering from trauma related motorcycle injuries.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Just thrown that out there. It's a good point.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I don't know, I don't know how many people who
are bikers would listen to the way she said that
and say, I don't feel stupid for, you know, getting
run over by a vehicle. But alas Mark's on a
phone line four oh two, five, five, eight to eleven ten, Mark,
we do appreciate you for being on the show today.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 15 (17:48):
Hey, I'm glad to be here. Thank you for having
me memory. Yeah, you know, I'm I was a motorcycle rider.
I still have my certification, but I've not ridden since
about nineteen seventy.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
Line.
Speaker 15 (18:01):
In seventy five, I was out on a gravel road.
You know how they have three paths. I was in
the middle. I went to crossover to get into the
right path on that gravel road and it threw me.
And I have the brand on my forehead where my
muffler was resting on my forehead branding me until a
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guy came along and lifted that bike off my forehead.
The only reason I'm alive is because I had a
helmet on cradling my head as my motorcycle came down
on it, and you know, the only So a couple
of things I'd like you to think about, and I'm
just to build on what the last person said. I
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think that bikers should be required if they're not going
to wear a helmet, they should be required to get
a no bike helmet insurance policy that will take care
of them for the rest of their lives if they
are come atoast or disabled in any way. The second
thing that I'd like you to think about is having
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the organ donor requirement for people who ride their bikes
with no helmets. Same things should apply with people that
drive their cars without the seat belt. They should be
required to donate their organs if they become dead brain dead,
because that would go a long ways to save in
a lot of people's lives, because people want to be
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free and right have the hair blowing back on their heads.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Those are some pretty strong opinions there, Mark, and I
do appreciate you for calling in. Thanks so much for listening.
And that's again a bit of an echo there from
the last callar before just saying, look, there are you
may not think that this affects other people, but it
can absolutely affect other people in certain ways. And the
whole uh organ donor thing, that's that's a completely different topic.
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But I also know that people who have the organ
donor thing on there. I'll be honest, I don't know
why you wouldn't be an organ donor. Maybe you have
like some sort of religious thing that you want to
keep all your organs intact, but I mean, you're not
going to be using them after a certain time. That's
how I feel. We'll take one more before we hit
the break. Here, Stewart's on a phone line four oh two,
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five five, eight eleven ten. Stuart, you got something on
your mind today?
Speaker 16 (20:30):
Yeah, boy, tell you what. You had a really good
topic here. I've got a lot of thoughts on it,
but not enough time for it all. So my one
thought with regards to the the no helmet law is
that maybe there's a kind of a meet in the
middle option. One of the things in my forty years
of writing and thirty years of racing in the national circuits,
these helmets are very useful.
Speaker 17 (20:49):
Law or not.
Speaker 16 (20:50):
I'm riding with a helmet period. But some of the
younger kids may not have the sixth sense that we're
experienced writers have. You know, we learned that if we're writing,
everybody's on the road trying to kill us, and if
you don't ride like that, you're probably gonna get hit.
So these younger riders that don't have that experience level yet,
maybe there's another thing that says they need to have
their helmet on regardless for second number, two years, three years, whatever,
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until they have X number of miles under their belt.
But they can say, hey, I can now make the
decision my choice now at this point where I can
go without a helmet.
Speaker 10 (21:24):
Yeah, it's not about it.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, it's not a bad idea sture. My only thing
as far as like enforcement, like how would we enforce that.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I don't know if people were getting pulled.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Over for not wearing a motorcycle helmet before, but would
this be something like if you were to get into
an accident or you did, you know, get you know,
violate a different moving violation, that could be tacked on
that you weren't wearing a helmet with the with those
certain credentials, or you could.
Speaker 16 (21:50):
Look at something the way the Europeans do it where
when you're in the learner's status, whiss played on your
motorcycle is color something that's visually observable by a police officer.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Nice.
Speaker 16 (21:59):
And back to Amber's comment, if I can put one
more thought on that, it's a slippery slope. Just declaring
that someone riding a motorcycle is causing and you know
the delay is unacceptable. That opens up a whole can
of worms. As far as you know, people that are
morbidly obese and can't stop eating, they're a lot you know,
the same thing for things that are so that. Can
you see what I'm going down?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, totally, all sorts.
Speaker 16 (22:20):
Of things kind of who makes the determination of what's
acceptable and what's not? Yeah, yeah, it gets ugly quick.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Hey, thanks Stuart. I really appreciate this.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Good thoughts say tak Yeah, I mean, and I again,
I don't disagree with most of what he said right there.
I agree about the whole uh you know, slippery slope
of that, but I also think that we need to
keep you know, in mind that one hundred and fifty
four additional beds were needed for motorcyclists in twenty twenty four,
So it's not that Outland as to say, well, the
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helmetless motorcycle riders are indeed taking up more hospital beds
than they were before. Not that I have super strong
opinions on that, yeah, but it is a fact.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Gary. Welcome to our show today. What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Oh? I participated in the study up in South Dakota
that was done very much like this when they tried
to pass the law that you had to have motorcycle helmets.
And here's the statistics that we did come up with.
I might want to also add that I used to
be a safety training officer or a safety trainer up
in South Dakota for motorcycles. And here's the real facts
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that we came up with away from helmet is the
amount of experience the bike rider had majority like as
in eighty some percent of the people hurt in motorcycle
accidents were less than two seasons of bike riding seasons.
And the other statistic that we stumbled into was only
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one percent of the people that were hurt in motorcycle
accidents their parents let them get a mini bike when
they were little kids, and then they kept graduating up
to more and more more powerful bikes. And what we
found with a majority, I mean like ninety percent of
the people that were getting hurt on motorcycles.
Speaker 18 (24:08):
Their mom and dad said, you can't have a motorcycle.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
You get it when you're an adult. Sure, So they
were nineteen twenty years old. They didn't go buy that
one twenty five foo food bike that wasn't capable of
over forty miles an hour and they had to ride
in the dirt, you know. They went out and bought
a GS eleven hundred that was capable of one hundred
miles an hour in the city block. Those were ones
getting hurt the worst. Right, And once we got done
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with that study, right, Gary, Yeah, data, South Dakota did
not pass a motorcycle helmet law because we didn't find
the relevance strong enough that it was motorcycles to take
away that freedom or that right.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I appreciate it. Gary, that's a really good point.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And there are other aspects of this, like who is
riding the bikes, how experienced they are, that maybe we
weren't taking into account here. It's very interesting. Bill's on
our phone line. Try to get the bill here real quick. Bill,
welcome to our show today. What's on your mind?
Speaker 9 (24:59):
Well, my question is of all these extra people, how
many of them are actually head dramas. And since the
repeal of the law and we have all the extra
riders coming through Nebraska, are we you know, is it
still the same percentage?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, great question. I don't have those numbers in front
of me.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
You know that we can look at the correlation of
you know, one hundred and forty motorcyclists in twenty twenty
three versus two ninety four. But if all of a
sudden there's like three or four thousand more motorcyclists that
were coming through Nebraska last year because there was no law,
then is it really that different. It's just, you know,
we have more motorcyclists on the road. I don't have
that number, So I think it is a good point
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if we had kind of some data on that, you know,
beyond what that looks like. I think that could be
also an interesting perspective to bring up here. Let's squeeze
in glennon real quick before I hit the top of
the hour. Glenn, what's going on with you?
Speaker 13 (25:57):
Hey?
Speaker 19 (25:58):
Being a former thirty retired paramedic who worked the field,
I question how the numbers are being presented by the
representatives of the facilities, because the injuries need to be
detailed down as to whether they're head related or just
general increase in trauma in general.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, so a lot.
Speaker 19 (26:21):
Of the questions have already been answered or have already
brought up in regards to that. I don't think it
has anything to do with the helmets one way or
the other. It has to do with whether or not
it's head related trauma.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, And it's a good point, Glynn. And my hope
is that maybe we have when the actual study is released,
because this is just some basic information that was given
to the press.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Ahead of the release of the study.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Maybe when we get the full study, we can get
a little bit more detailed on exactly what those injuries
potentially would be and if they are more head related.
Even if, like the number was sixty four percent of
the people who were in trauma related hospital stays because
of motorcycling, You're right, it may not be all head related,
but I feel like that number being so much higher
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than the year before it kind of leads you to
believe that it probably is. We'll take more calls when
we come back. Four oh two, five, five, eight, eleven ten,
four h two, five, five, eight to eleven ten. We're
talking to you on news radio eleven ten KFAB. One
thing that we were talking about in the first hour
and I want to continue that conversation, maybe wrap that
up here in this first half hour, is there's a
research being done at the University of Nebraska Medical Center.
(27:26):
A big study is going to come out, but some
of it has come out to the press beforehand, and
it includes a big increase one hundred and ten percent
increase in fact of motorcyclists brought to trauma hospitals and
Lincoln in Omaha between twenty twenty three and twenty twenty
four and twenty three. There was still a helmet line
place twenty twenty four that was repealed, and we don't
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know how many additional motorcyclists may have been in Nebraska
at the time. We don't exactly know how many of
those traumatic injuries were head related, which certainly would be
all that you should care about as far as the
helmet study goes. But they did say that sixty four
percent of that big number in twenty twenty four we're
not wearing a helmet, versus only twenty percent back in
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twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
For whatever, it's worth getting.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Your thoughts on this, whether you're a rider or somebody's
got an opinion on this. Four h two five five
eight to eleven ten is the number we have Bob
on the phone line. Bob, welcome to our show today.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Hi Emery, how are you?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I'm great man. What's up with you?
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Well, Amory, I'll tell you what. I was a test
writer for a local Heartley Davidson dealership for eighteen years,
so I don't think that there's going to be anybody
that has put any more miles on a bike than.
Speaker 19 (28:38):
What I have.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
And I went down just two times in those eighteen years.
First time was I got hit by a cement truck
and the second time I was test riding the bike
and it didn't have any breaks.
Speaker 19 (28:53):
Oh, and.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Wouldn't I wouldn't ride a mile without having a helmet. Interesting, now,
I guess that if I had, if I was pressed
and had to say, I believe in is there a
choice or not? I wouldn't want to have to make
that choice. But I guess I would have to say,
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I think it is somebody's choice whether they're going to
wear a helmet or not, but they're a fool to
get on a bike and not wear a helmet.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
That's interesting, Bob.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And I've had people email me today and say you
prepare for the slide, not for the ride, or something
like that.
Speaker 17 (29:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Well, yeah, my last the time that I went down
with the bike had no brakes. As I was sliding
on the pavement, I felt my head hit the pavement
and slide across the pavement. And I remember that very well,
and it even went through my mind and a split second,
I'm glad I got this helmet on, and there's scratches
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on my helmet, but there's no scratches on my head.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Wow, it's really good perspective there, Bob. Really appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
For calling in today, you bet, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, no problem at all. Craig is on our phone
line four oh two, five five eight to eleven ten. Craig,
welcome to eleven ten kfab.
Speaker 20 (30:11):
Well, i'm talking. Excuse me, I'm calling about the so
called individual freedom of choice about motorcycle riders. Okay, I
mean if a motorcycle writer has no health insurance of
any kind and he has a serious head injury and
extor where he's in the hospitalized for a long period
of time. Who's going to pay his medical debts? The
texpert something me, So think about Kak.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, that's you're not I know, you're not the first
person to bring that up, Craig, And like how that
looks and whether or not maybe somebody who wants to
have that freedom of choice should have to sign a
waiver that they would not be covered by uh, you know,
government aided medical payments like Medicare or medicaid. Would that
be something that you would think that is a good
compromise on this.
Speaker 20 (30:54):
Well, it'd be a good start anyway. Now, I am
in favor of the helmet laucause people they say it's
individual head, but people aren't always able to protect themselves,
he said, you know, and I'll speak from another thing.
I have an older brother. He had a motorcycle and
he was kind of I got wild and careless. One
time he took a turn too fast and he turned
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too sharp, and he had a rack and his head
hit the pavement. Now, if he hadn't been wearing a helmet,
he could have been done for have had some real
serious injuries conturned with Yeah, probably personal, but I think,
you know, I support the helmet law, because, like you said,
a waiver might be a good start. But I mean,
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but some people are so wild and reckless they don't
think to wear a helmet. They, like I said that,
they get, you know, severely injured in an accidents. Why
with that insurance oftentimes taxpayers put.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
The billy you know, yeah, Craig, it's an interesting perspective
on it.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I appreciate you calling in man. Thanks for listening to
our show.
Speaker 20 (31:55):
Yeah yeah, my path set along, you know, yeah, thanks.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
No problem. I appreciate you for being on the air.
This is.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I think the part of this we don't think about
is how maybe something seems to be kind of victimless
or that I'm the only person that has to answer
for this, versus the plausibility of maybe the government would
be on the hook to paying my medical bills for
one reason or another. That opens in different can of worms,
(32:26):
And I was even prepared to open today, And I'm
not exactly sure how a lot of that works out.
To get insurance for motorcycles and motorcycle riding. As far
as I'm under the impression, I've never touched a motorcycle
that was in motion before in my life. But I'm
under the impression that is a different package than the
one that you have for your vehicle or for your car,
for your house or anything like that. So maybe there's
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already kind of a built in coverage set up there.
But maybe there are rules that say, well, if you're
not wearing a helmet, you are no longer covered by us.
And that's to kind of try to force the person
who's on motorcycle to actually wear their helmet. I'm you
know that is me just kind of thinking out loud.
I don't know that for sure. Larry's on the phone
line four oh two, five, five, eight eleven ten. Welcome
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to our show, Larry, what's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (33:12):
Uh, I'll tell you what I rode bix years ago.
I don't write anymore, but you know, the helmet law.
I've seen upsides and downsides. The big thing is that
all these surveys are will have to do with hospital reports.
What they need to do with survey surveys the action
of reports. See what caused that action? Was it from
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people pulling out in front of them? Was it from
them being stupid? I mean, nobody, nobody clickings that. It's
always a hospital report, and that's the bottle, I got
to say, but take a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, thanks Larry, appreciate you being on the show. So again,
this is not a full study yet.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
This is kind of.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Specific information that has been sent to the media, and
you know, maybe we're buying it hook line and sinker
and making our own core relations to the repeal of
the helmet law and why there were a lot more
people in traumatic situations and motorcycles in Omaha and Lincoln
versus the year before when the helmet law was instituted.
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That I would hope for a full, legitimate study. I
would hope that there would be some sort of explanation
as to each and every type of injury. Are these
people who were not wearing helmets but were not for
trauma related to their head? Or were these people that
were victims of aggressive vehicular driving They were not doing
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anything wrong and then they were hit. I don't know
if you can really make that big of a determination
on that, because there's going to be bad drivers on
the roads regardless, so you're gonna have to be ready
for that. I've talked about that and just trying to
be defensive in my own vehicle. In my car, I'm
in an SUV Most of the time. I feel pretty
safe in that car. But that doesn't mean that if
somebody's a really reckless driver and decides they're going to
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do something crazy, that that could put me in a
really bad and compromising position to no fault of my own.
Bob is on our phone line at four h two, five, five,
eight to eleven ten. Welcome to the show, Bob.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Yes, just a quick coming. I like this survey that
the Gentleman had earlier about the when you start driving young.
Those percentage guys had less accidents, and I like the
other guy that said he was a test driver. All
of them makes sense. I personally started at eight years old.
(35:30):
I'm seventy two. I still write. I prefer not to
wear a helmet. I do on long distance trips, just
protection from the sun to wind. My adult son dried
with me if they both wear helmets. My wife wears
a helmet. So maybe I'm the dumb one. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
But what you're saying, Bob is that there's quite a
bit of correlation from your experience that if you get
started young, you're generally more safe when you're out there.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
I think they're going to ride with a little more
experience because when I leave the house, there isn't probably
a time I go out that I'm not probably could
have an accent had I not been driving real defensively.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, no, one hundred percent. Hey, Bob, appreciate the perspective today.
Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 10 (36:08):
Thank you appreciate Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Absolutely, We'll take more calls on this. Four h two
five five eight to eleven ten. If you got some
thoughts on this, whether you're a rider or just somebody
that's noticed something about motorcyclists and helmets, we'd love to
hear from you today four h two five five eight
to eleven ten on News Radio eleven ten.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Kfab em Ry's songer on news Radio eleven ten.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Kfab Ray is on the line. He'll start us this segment. Ray,
Welcome to our show today.
Speaker 21 (36:36):
What are you thinking about, Hey, Hemory, I'm sixty seven.
I've been riding since I was I don't know, maybe
fifteen sixteen, never gotten an accident yet. I'm a really
good defensive rider and that makes all the difference in
the world. But as far as these people who are
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calling in and talking about, well, who's gonna pay for it?
If they don't have insurance. The last time I knew.
If I get into an accident and I don't have
insurance and I'm rushed to the hospital, they are required
to save my life. I'm not put in the corner
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till we find out whether or not I have insurance.
They're required by law to save my life. So, whether
I got insurance or not, the taxpayers are gonna pay
for it, or my insurance company's gonna pay for it,
or somebody's gonna pay for it. But you know it
to away the well, put it on the taxpayers because
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you got it anyway. You just hope the person has insurance.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, well, I mean, and that's a good point. And Ray,
they're not exactly gonna not give you care when you
need it an emergency situation regardless, Right. So it's something
to think about. It's just interesting to see who would
be on the hook for that. If you said that
the writer himself for herself was on the hook for
their related injuries. If they're not wearing a helmet or
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proper safety gear, would that make them want to wear
proper safety gear to know that they would have the
insurance on top of that. I think that would be
an interesting conversation to have. Appreciate the call today, Ray,
thanks for listening to our show. Gary's on our phone
line at four two, five, five eight to eleven ten. Gary,
You're on eleven tin kfab.
Speaker 12 (38:24):
Hey, Emery, thanks for taking my call. I just have
a couple of thoughts I would like to know, like
when they raised a speed limit from fifty five to seventy,
how many more emergency visits were there? And also if
they sign a waiver for insurance, what happens if you're
caught twenty miles over the speed limit? Do you lose
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your insurance at that time?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I don't really know how a lot of that works, Gary,
because I'll be honest, I haven't knock on wood. I
haven't gotten a moving violation since twenty ten, so I
haven't really like, I don't know exactly how some of
that works. Haven't been on my own car insurance and
actually gotten into trouble for you know, like do I
get a weight Like does my insurance company not have
to pay for something that I did or was a
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part of if I was going too fast in a
speed limit? And same thing for maybe motorcyclists if they're
driving recklessly on a bike. I mean, first of all,
that's probably pretty dumb and considering that you're going to
lose every collision that you're in. But also, is there
some sort of clause in the insurance that says if
you're going too fast over the speed limit, or you
run a red light, or you're not wearing a helmet
and suffer injuries, that we don't cover you. If that's
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the case, then I think we need to be articulating
that a bit more to the people that are getting
the insurance, because nobody's ever said anything like that to
me about my insurance with my vehicle. So, but it's
an interesting conversation to have. Gary really appreciate you for
being on the show today. Let's go ahead and jump
to Adam on the line. Adam on eleven ten kfab,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
What's going on?
Speaker 18 (39:55):
Hey, thanks for taking my call. So I've been listening
to the last hour. The general theme I'm getting from
all the callers is what about me? What about my
tax dollars? Well, I mean I'm looking at my past
sub right now, and there's Medicare employee tax right there,
you know, federal upholding tax right there, You're already paying
(40:16):
for it. If the helmet law isn't making your taxes
go up.
Speaker 16 (40:20):
Sure, and there's also the.
Speaker 18 (40:22):
Argument about, you know, giving up security for liberty. You know,
if you need the government to tell you to put
on a helmet.
Speaker 9 (40:31):
Are you giving you're.
Speaker 18 (40:32):
Giving up your liberty there, You're asking for big government
to step in and tell you what you do. You know,
I'm as a conservative, I want smaller government. I don't
need the government to come in and tell me you
need to wear a seatbelt, you need to wear a
helmet like it.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
Just let me live my life.
Speaker 16 (40:48):
Get off my back.
Speaker 18 (40:49):
You're already I'm already looking at my past of the
Medicare tax is already there.
Speaker 10 (40:53):
So I'm not worried.
Speaker 18 (40:53):
About paying for someone else because I'm already doing it.
You know, I can't opt out of it. You know,
it's not gonna make my tax dollars go up anymore.
Taxes go up every year anyways, I'm yet to see
them ever go down. Yeah, regardless of who's in charge.
So that's all I got, you know, it's all the
whole theme today's been what about me? That's all I've
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got from this, So thank you.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, and I appreciate it, Adam. And let's be honest.
Is not everything we talk about mostly all about me?
I mean, if we're gonna be honest about this, we
talk about illegal immigration, Well, how is that affecting me? Well,
we get upset about things that are happening that are president,
you know, the previous president, current president. Well what does
this do? Like, how does this affect me? We are
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always thinking about me, And if I'm not a motorcycle rider,
I couldn't care less if there is or isn't a
helmet law, It's not gonna affect me. But I do
think that there is something to be said for the
fact that maybe if we did have rules in place
for one thing or another. And I'm not advocating for
the rules, mind you. I'm just making that very clear.
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I'm not advocating for that. But what I am saying
is if it proves that it does result in less trauma,
less traumatic motorcycle related injuries, and we know that, and
there's a study that proves that, then is there not
some sort of responsibility that potentially our government, our local
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leaders need to come up with a plan to educate
people to that extent. If not also just saying, look,
this is for your own good. We have the evidence.
I don't know, And again, I'm not the kind of
combative type that's going to be like, well, you can't
tell me that I should or shouldn't wear a seat belt. Well,
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being raised with that being a law, and also seeing
people I've been in cars with getting pulled over because
they weren't wearing a seat belt.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
I've wore my seatbelt.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I don't even notice it anymore, and I know that
it's keeping me safe if I were to get into
a collision. So I don't know, that's just me and
maybe you're seeing things differently, but I just it's not
just this conversation. And he's right, we're not paying more
in taxes, you know, it's just coming out of a
fund that already has a bunch of money going into it.
But every conversation we have, honestly, most people are coming
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to it from the angle of well what about me,
that's nothing new. Tom is on our phone line four two, five, five, eight,
eleven ten. Tom, how's it going today?
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Tom? Are you there?
Speaker 15 (43:28):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Let's go to Bernie real quick. Bernie, appreciate you for
being on the show today.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
What's going on?
Speaker 12 (43:33):
Hi, am Mary.
Speaker 17 (43:34):
I love the topic today.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Thanks.
Speaker 17 (43:36):
Been riding motorcycle since nineteen seventy. Since I was the kid.
My dad always told me, you got you have eyes.
Speaker 10 (43:42):
In the front of your head, the side of your head,
in the back of your head.
Speaker 17 (43:44):
I get that. I think short and sweet. I think
Japanese motorcycle rider's helmet mandatory. American motorcycle manufactured drivers, I'm
thinking helmet should be optional. I don't want him take
away my freedom. I love motorcycling. I get the point.
Driving down the road and you see these young guys
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on these small cc Japanese motorcycles. They're faster than ever. Yeah,
and they zoom in and out of the traffic.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (44:12):
I get it. I understand it. It's an experienced thing.
I know we all have the same kind of a skull.
But I just think that the younger generation, they just
need to slow down. And I think the helmet law
needs to be mandatory for the younger generation on the
Japanese bikes, American bikes optional.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Hey, Bertie, I really appreciate the perspective. That's a different
take and I love that. Thanks for calling in today.
Thank you Frank's on our phone line of four h two, five, five,
eight to eleven ten And Frank, what do you say
on your mind today?
Speaker 22 (44:43):
Well, I've been riding motorcycless i was twelve, and its
treet bikes since I was seventeen. I'm fifty eight, and
I remember when we didn't have a law, we had
the same amount of accidents, probably, but there wasn't that
much trauma. But today it seems like whether we wear
a helmet or not, there's still a lot of accidents,
but there's also so a lot of people not paying attention.
I told my mom one day, I almost get hit
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once I ride my bike because somebody's not paying attention
to us riders. So, I mean, I still like the
idea of a choice, but half the time. I mean,
I wear a helmet anyway, but still some people don't,
and that's their choice. But I think that I think
that the other everybody is.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
To make it on their own, you know, yeah, I
think that's probably the consensus, Frank, more so than anything else,
is that people should have the freedom to make their
own decisions. I think the questions around it that go
deeper of like, okay, so will these people end up
being on Medicare or Medicaid if they don't take care
of themselves on the roadways, or is there some sort
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of you know, governmental aspect that needs to be overseeing
this kind of thing. It's it's a conversation I think
has been a productive one for us. But I think
the consensus would be we don't need a lot to
tell people that a helme is going to save their life.
Speaker 22 (45:56):
Interesting, and I got two sons that also wrecked on
their motor cycles and they had helmets on which basically
saved their heads.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, Yeah, I mean, and we learned about this when
we're really little. I mean, it takes somebody to be
very stubborn to decide not to wear a helmet if
that's not what they want to do. I appreciate the call, Frank,
thanks for listening to the show today. Last word on this, Scott,
This has been an interesting conversation I myself and you.
I don't know how often that we would think about
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this otherwise, but when you have something that says there
was a one hundred and ten percent increase in trauma
patients that were on motorcycles from twenty three to twenty four,
and that is in direct correlation with this law. Yes,
there are some numbers I need to know. Is there
more motorcyclists? Is you know, is all this head trauma related?
Or is this just kind of a coincidence. But at
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the same time, I think that there's there's something here
that is worth digging into a little bit deeper.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
I believe the numbers. I wonder because it sounded like
earlier you specifically said that there was an increase in
trauma patients at hospitals and Omaha Lincoln. There's a big
reason why that might be. It also goes back to
a caller in the last hour named Amber, who says
I was nearly dying there in the waiting room and
they couldn't get to me because there were all these
people coming in there and they thought their priority was
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more than mine because I didn't look like it was
openly bleeding and all that. All of this has to
do with everything from ridiculous government reimbursement rates on Medicare
and Medicaid, especially the fraud with Medicaid, and then all
this the ways that COVID jacked up hospitals to where
you've got staff big staffing issues and a lot of hospitals,
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a ton of staffing issues and a bunch of hospitals,
especially in rural areas. So if you're seeing an increase
in trauma patience in Omahon Lincoln, it's because they don't
have the staff for the ability to take care of
them in some of the other places.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
So that's one.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
If you're waiting there and they're not getting you, that's
a more of a staffing issue than there are. Just
hospitals or motorcyclists stacking up one by one on Center
Street and they're operating them in there before you.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yeah, that said.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
A lot of these callers have made an impact on
me memory by saying, Look, if someone gets in a
motorcycle accident and they don't have a helmet on and
they end up in having to get in the hospital
and they don't have proper insurance, I don't want to
pay for that. You know, I don't want to pay
for that either. So I'm also thinking, it's a lot
of people get shot with guns. It'd be so much
better if we could just take everyone's guns away. If
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we just take everyone's guns away, then that would probably
greatly reduce gun shots. So we'll just go and we'll
just take everyone's guns away. And I don't know if
you know this, but one of the leading causes of
money that's just being wasted on healthcare old people. You
got so many old people out there. You get old,
you got reasons to go to the doctor, and you
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end up having to go like all the time. Do
you have any idea how often the old people in
my family you're they're at the doctor right now just
because it's Friday. So if we could just I don't
want to like put a number on it in terms
of age, but once you're four, time drops below like seven.
Oh you're gone, grandpa, Oh let's go. I don't We
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don't have any why we waste the money on you?
What are you gonna do to help out society? So
I think a lot of your callers have made an
impact on me by saying, why don't want pay for
these guys to get an accident? And then we're gonna
come after you guys that drink too much soda pop
and eat too much junk? Whoa you weigh more than
this much? You're going in the hole with grandpa?
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Oh no, you can't just do that.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
This is what I'm getting from some of your callers today,
So I'm guessing you're in favor of the freedom of choice.
If I rode a motorcycle, I would probably wear a helmet.
I hear from some guys that don't like to ride
with a helmet that says it really jacks up your
peripheral vision, and they like to be able to have
their head on a swivel.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I get that too.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I don't know. I guess it doesn't bother me. If
someone wanted to ride down the street by themselves, standing
on the seat of their motorcycle and doing backflips like
a trained monkey, and they fall off and have to
go to the hospital, that's on them. This is America.
You have you run that guy over if he's on
the side of the road. You're just like you deserve this.
(50:07):
If he was in my way, I'm not gonna slow down.
I'm not going to look up from texting, you know,
drive around him. So I got stuff to do. But
this is America. You want to be a complete and
income poop, have at it. Just be entertaining on your
way out, That's all I ask.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Yeah, like make me laugh on the way out. I
follow this that's a show.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
I follow these guys on social media who they play
this game where they throw, you know, dodgeballs at each
other at the other guy's blindfold and they can't see,
and man, when they hit each other in the nards,
it's the funniest thing. I laugh every time, Like I
was one hundred percent success rate on getting me to
laugh when that happens.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
So I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Let's let's make it as entertaining as possible. I'm not
that callous, ladies and gentlemen, but I will say this,
we we did. I think we have learned a bit
about the way that people see each other on the
roadways and how they see motorcyclists in general. So if
that's you and you're you know, just like I don't
want my tax dollars to pay for this stuff, Well,
I don't think your tax money went up because this
(51:05):
number went up. And if there was an announcement made
by the government or by your insurance company saying, look,
we have way too many motorcycle related issues. We need
to raise your tax dollars by a couple of bucks
every paycheck or whatever, I think that would generate a
lot of pushback and rightly so, but that hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
For whatever it's worth,
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