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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The biggest thing internationally right now and over the last
(00:04):
week or so. Benjamin att Yahoo, the Israeli Prime Minister,
was at the White House last week along with Donald Trump,
unveiled a twenty point plan to peace, comprehensive plan, so
Hamas Israel the surrounding area, we can get out of
this war. And Israel said, we agreed all twenty of
these points. Well, Hamas, there was a deadline for them
(00:24):
whether or not they were going to accept, and during
our show on Friday, they at least said that they
were willing to give hostages back, release hostages, and they
also had agreed to a few of the points, at
least of the twenty points, but not all of them.
Donald Trump went on his social media and said they
have until Sunday night. Israel should stop attacking them immediately.
(00:45):
And now, I mean, we really haven't heard a punctuation
mark to that whether they have fully agreed or not
to this point. Joining us to talk more about this
from London from Fox News Radio was Jonathan Savage. Jonathan
as always, thank you so much for being on our
show today.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Always a pleasure you could speak you again.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The big announcement at the White House last week between
Benjamin and Yahoo of Israel and Donald Trump made a
lot of headlines, not just because they were meeting in
the White House, but at the end of it they said, hey,
Israel agreed to all twenty of these points, and now
the ball is in Hamas's court. And at the end
of last week it sounded like they actually were willing
(01:24):
to part with the hostages and agree to at least
some of the points. So take me through kind of
how fast this has started to develop over the last
five or six days from the Israel and Hamas perspective, Well, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Definitely got a lot of momentum, and there have been
a lot of positive words coming from both President trumpet
and public and social media accounts from the Israelis as
well and the international community, suggesting a great deal of
optimism that this might be the plan that finally brings
an end to this war and asa after two years
(02:02):
of fighting, two years tomorrow since that October seventy time
by Hamas which started all this, that massacre in southern Israel.
Benjamin Nitanya, who has said on Friday that he is
ready to implement the first stage of the plan, which
would be the release of hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners,
and Hamas has also said that they are ready to
(02:24):
release the hostages. They're going to agree to that part.
They're also happy to hand over the governance of Gaza
to technocrats you might call them, from the Palestinian community,
rather than governing Gaza directly themselves. That is all well
and good, that is all optimism, but there are a
lot of things which are still up in the air
(02:45):
from this twenty point framework. There are plenty of things
that the mass has not come out and directly said
that they're happy with, and these some of these things,
such as the disarmament of Hamas, are crucial to Israel's
point of view.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So the twenty point plan, I think the first noticeable
thing was that if Hamas were to, like the people
in Hamas, were to agree to this plan, they would
have no weapons like their weapons would be taken away,
but they would be given amnesty and if they wanted
to leave the area, they would be given the tools
(03:23):
to go where they'd like to go. And if they
wanted to stay in the area, they would have the
amnesty that they would not be prisoner or they would
be able to continue to live freely, So is that
not something that they would be looking for, and especially
with all the you know, they keep saying that they
are trying to, you know, help out the Palestinian people.
(03:46):
But there are points of this plan that Donald Trump
outlined that make it seem like there are plans to
help try to improve life for the people of the
Gaza strip.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, this plan would in a massive influx in aid.
It would of course end the fighting, which is absolutely
the number one thing in the minds of both people
in Gaza right now, and it would create a pathway
towards restoring the territory and giving the Palestinian people a
degree of control over their own future. Now, the long
(04:19):
term future would still need to be settled. Hamas, from
their perspective, if they were to agree to all of this,
agree to disarming, agree to playing no further role in
the governance of Gaza, would arguably be voting for their
own extinction, because what in Hamas's mind, would be the
point of their organization if they don't have any political
or military control. And it appears as though there's even
(04:41):
some disagreement within Hamas possibly about this position. One of
the senior officials said last week that HAMAS was willing
to hand over its weapons to a future Palestinian body,
but the official statement didn't mention that at all. So
perhaps that they are still trying to make up their
own minds a what they are willing to accept at
(05:02):
this point. So Amas, who have lost a number of
their leaders in the last two years to the military,
that strikes by Israel could be an a certain amout
of disagree.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Possibly we're being joined by Jonathan Savage. Jonathan, I think
that whether Hamas fully agrees or not, it's kind of
a the war continues of the war ends kind of
situation at this point. It's pretty much an ultimatum. But
Donald Trump initially said when this was first out that
(05:31):
they had seventy two hours. Then he extended that to
the end of the weekend, which was, you know, Sunday night,
and now here we are into Monday. Is there any
still timeline of enforcement trying to figure out if they
can get to those twenty points or if any of
that is negotiable from a Homas perspective, or is this
(05:51):
just kind of a situation where we're kind of waiting
and seeing what takes place next with no real deadline.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I think you have to take timelines and headlines with
a pinch of salt at this stage. I think as
long as there is optimism and a feeling that progress
is being made, more time will be allowed to reach
a conclusion. You know, it's that important, Benjamin, I know
these really prime ministers said that the talks would be
confined to a few days maximum. President Trump has said
that unless a Mass makes a quick decision, all best
(06:19):
will be off. But her Mass has come back and said, look,
if you want us to return all the bodies of hostages,
that could take days or weeks, because a number of
those bodies are buried under the rubble of Gaza right now.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
It's a terrible thing to think about. The last thing
for you, Jonathan, today.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is there.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I know that it's tough for us to know what
to believe. You know, you have certain people on the
Palestinian side that say one thing, you have people in
Israel saying a completely different thing. I would be curious
to know the popularity of this plan, if this plan
has even been presented to the actual people who are
living in Gaza or in the environs around Gaza. Do
(07:02):
we know about what the process is and what the
people who actually are living in Gaza would think of
something like this which would help develop their living area
from you know, kind of a war torn third world
country into more of a first world country and give
them more control over their own governance.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, it's hard to imagine at this point any people
anywhere in the world who have less agency or less
control over their own lives than the people of Gaza.
Two years of war, many of them, the vast majority
of people in Gaza have been forced from their homes,
many forced to move multiple times. They all have lost
(07:43):
people to this fighting, many suffering from hunger, from the cold,
from exposure, from illness, and a lot of them just
want peace. I was just looking at what's that messages
then to the BBC from someone in Gaza saying that
they just want to be able to live with dignity
and stability once again, But they have no trust that
(08:05):
this war will actually end. People have lost faith in everyone,
says one person writing.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
There, we'll see if we're actually getting to the sunset
of this particular conflict, as Jonathan mentioned, one day away
from the two year anniversary, or you know, two years
of you know, just fighting all out fighting since October
seventh of twenty twenty three. Jonathan really appreciates the time
as always. I'm sure we're going to chat about this
again very soon.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Take care,
The biggest thing internationally right now and over the last
(00:04):
week or so. Benjamin att Yahoo, the Israeli Prime Minister,
was at the White House last week along with Donald Trump,
unveiled a twenty point plan to peace, comprehensive plan, so
Hamas Israel the surrounding area, we can get out of
this war. And Israel said, we agreed all twenty of
these points. Well, Hamas, there was a deadline for them
(00:24):
whether or not they were going to accept, and during
our show on Friday, they at least said that they
were willing to give hostages back, release hostages, and they
also had agreed to a few of the points, at
least of the twenty points, but not all of them.
Donald Trump went on his social media and said they
have until Sunday night. Israel should stop attacking them immediately.
(00:45):
And now, I mean, we really haven't heard a punctuation
mark to that whether they have fully agreed or not
to this point. Joining us to talk more about this
from London from Fox News Radio was Jonathan Savage. Jonathan
as always, thank you so much for being on our
show today.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Always a pleasure you could speak you again.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The big announcement at the White House last week between
Benjamin and Yahoo of Israel and Donald Trump made a
lot of headlines, not just because they were meeting in
the White House, but at the end of it they said, hey,
Israel agreed to all twenty of these points, and now
the ball is in Hamas's court. And at the end
of last week it sounded like they actually were willing
(01:24):
to part with the hostages and agree to at least
some of the points. So take me through kind of
how fast this has started to develop over the last
five or six days from the Israel and Hamas perspective, Well, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Definitely got a lot of momentum, and there have been
a lot of positive words coming from both President trumpet
and public and social media accounts from the Israelis as
well and the international community, suggesting a great deal of
optimism that this might be the plan that finally brings
an end to this war and asa after two years
(02:02):
of fighting, two years tomorrow since that October seventy time
by Hamas which started all this, that massacre in southern Israel.
Benjamin Nitanya, who has said on Friday that he is
ready to implement the first stage of the plan, which
would be the release of hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners,
and Hamas has also said that they are ready to
(02:24):
release the hostages. They're going to agree to that part.
They're also happy to hand over the governance of Gaza
to technocrats you might call them, from the Palestinian community,
rather than governing Gaza directly themselves. That is all well
and good, that is all optimism, but there are a
lot of things which are still up in the air
(02:45):
from this twenty point framework. There are plenty of things
that the mass has not come out and directly said
that they're happy with, and these some of these things,
such as the disarmament of Hamas, are crucial to Israel's
point of view.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So the twenty point plan, I think the first noticeable
thing was that if Hamas were to, like the people
in Hamas, were to agree to this plan, they would
have no weapons like their weapons would be taken away,
but they would be given amnesty and if they wanted
to leave the area, they would be given the tools
(03:23):
to go where they'd like to go. And if they
wanted to stay in the area, they would have the
amnesty that they would not be prisoner or they would
be able to continue to live freely, So is that
not something that they would be looking for, and especially
with all the you know, they keep saying that they
are trying to, you know, help out the Palestinian people.
(03:46):
But there are points of this plan that Donald Trump
outlined that make it seem like there are plans to
help try to improve life for the people of the
Gaza strip.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, this plan would in a massive influx in aid.
It would of course end the fighting, which is absolutely
the number one thing in the minds of both people
in Gaza right now, and it would create a pathway
towards restoring the territory and giving the Palestinian people a
degree of control over their own future. Now, the long
(04:19):
term future would still need to be settled. Hamas, from
their perspective, if they were to agree to all of this,
agree to disarming, agree to playing no further role in
the governance of Gaza, would arguably be voting for their
own extinction, because what in Hamas's mind, would be the
point of their organization if they don't have any political
or military control. And it appears as though there's even
(04:41):
some disagreement within Hamas possibly about this position. One of
the senior officials said last week that HAMAS was willing
to hand over its weapons to a future Palestinian body,
but the official statement didn't mention that at all. So
perhaps that they are still trying to make up their
own minds a what they are willing to accept at
(05:02):
this point. So Amas, who have lost a number of
their leaders in the last two years to the military,
that strikes by Israel could be an a certain amout
of disagree.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Possibly we're being joined by Jonathan Savage. Jonathan, I think
that whether Hamas fully agrees or not, it's kind of
a the war continues of the war ends kind of
situation at this point. It's pretty much an ultimatum. But
Donald Trump initially said when this was first out that
(05:31):
they had seventy two hours. Then he extended that to
the end of the weekend, which was, you know, Sunday night,
and now here we are into Monday. Is there any
still timeline of enforcement trying to figure out if they
can get to those twenty points or if any of
that is negotiable from a Homas perspective, or is this
(05:51):
just kind of a situation where we're kind of waiting
and seeing what takes place next with no real deadline.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I think you have to take timelines and headlines with
a pinch of salt at this stage. I think as
long as there is optimism and a feeling that progress
is being made, more time will be allowed to reach
a conclusion. You know, it's that important, Benjamin, I know
these really prime ministers said that the talks would be
confined to a few days maximum. President Trump has said
that unless a Mass makes a quick decision, all best
(06:19):
will be off. But her Mass has come back and said, look,
if you want us to return all the bodies of hostages,
that could take days or weeks, because a number of
those bodies are buried under the rubble of Gaza right now.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
It's a terrible thing to think about. The last thing
for you, Jonathan, today.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is there.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I know that it's tough for us to know what
to believe. You know, you have certain people on the
Palestinian side that say one thing, you have people in
Israel saying a completely different thing. I would be curious
to know the popularity of this plan, if this plan
has even been presented to the actual people who are
living in Gaza or in the environs around Gaza. Do
(07:02):
we know about what the process is and what the
people who actually are living in Gaza would think of
something like this which would help develop their living area
from you know, kind of a war torn third world
country into more of a first world country and give
them more control over their own governance.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, it's hard to imagine at this point any people
anywhere in the world who have less agency or less
control over their own lives than the people of Gaza.
Two years of war, many of them, the vast majority
of people in Gaza have been forced from their homes,
many forced to move multiple times. They all have lost
(07:43):
people to this fighting, many suffering from hunger, from the cold,
from exposure, from illness, and a lot of them just
want peace. I was just looking at what's that messages
then to the BBC from someone in Gaza saying that
they just want to be able to live with dignity
and stability once again, But they have no trust that
(08:05):
this war will actually end. People have lost faith in everyone,
says one person writing.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
There, we'll see if we're actually getting to the sunset
of this particular conflict, as Jonathan mentioned, one day away
from the two year anniversary, or you know, two years
of you know, just fighting all out fighting since October
seventh of twenty twenty three. Jonathan really appreciates the time
as always. I'm sure we're going to chat about this
again very soon.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Take care,
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