The Full Timeline of Kirk's Assasination Explained

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Got a couple of things here about the Charlie Kirk assassination.
And I know a lot of people probably I'm done
hearing about this. We can't be done hearing about it,
and I tell you why. And I talked about this
in one of my conversations that we had earlier in
the show. Being done with the conversation essentially is waving
the wife like that, you don't care that much. This

(00:23):
stuff we have to care more about. Yeah, it's stinks
that we have to think about horrible stuff like the
assassination of a thirty one year old guy who only
wanted to talk to people for a living. Yeah, it
stinks that we have to talk about school shootings, mass shootings,
ICE agents getting shot at, a detainee of ICE getting
killed by a reckless person's bullet. You know, all of

(00:47):
these different types of people. The reason we aren't getting
to the bottom of a lot of this stuff is
because we pick up our lunch pale and we move
on to the next thing. Our psyche and our attention
spans to some of this stuff is not long enough,
and by the time that we actually have substantial information

(01:07):
that can help us, maybe deduced not just a motive,
but also try to understand what red flags existed so
we know what to look for next time. We're already
moved on to the next thing. We have to be
better about remembering and thinking about this stuff in a
way that is going to be constructive for the future.
So I got a couple of things here about the

(01:30):
assassin that we're just learning and this is coming from
an exclusive from Fox News that according to their records
and what people are talking about here, a law enforcement
officer made contact with a twenty two year old shooter

(01:51):
who we know assassinated Charlie Kirk, and we remember we
talked about he had a drop point. I don't know
what's going on in this person's head. I don't know
what the plan overall was. The idea that they changed,
like he wanted to change clothes, he wanted to have

(02:13):
you know, he took his grandfather's rifle. He dropped it
in the woods, wrapped it in a towel, and he
was going to go back and retrieve it. I don't
know all of the different aspects as to like why
he did what he did. I'm sure this was something
that he thought he had planned out. But even over

(02:34):
the week that you know, he was kind of marinating
on the idea. And obviously this is a crazed individual
and it maybe not a traditional like just insane way,
but just craze that he was driven so much by
one goal. I want to kill this person who I
think has hate in his heart for people that I

(02:54):
care about. In this case, his roommate slash lover is
a transgender individual, and Charlie Kirk was very outspoken that
transgenderism isn't really even a thing. It's more mental illness
than it is anything legitimate. And the way that this
twenty two year old decided to handle that was to

(03:17):
kill Charlie Kirk, which again just baffles the mind honestly. Anyway,
about six hours after the assassination, the shooter was attempting,
at least it appears, to retrieve the rifle, which was
in the woods. This was on the edge of campus

(03:42):
and the officer was guarding the perimeter after authorities placed
the entire campus on lockdown, and this law enforcement officer
seems to have been just around the right area to
a point where the shooter couldn't go get the Mouser
thirty oh six rifle. And they say this was the

(04:03):
rifle that was utilized. Based on text messages that we
read between the shooter and his roommate, This was a
gun that belonged to his grandfather, that he had, and
certainly he would have had plenty of experience shooting it.
He was able to operate it flawlessly and get an
accurate shot that killed Charlie Kirk. So with all of this,

(04:32):
in all these text messages, trying to you know, kind
of understand what the plan was. This the idea of
having a true perimeter around anything, especially campus, especially, Who
knows what would have happened if this individual would have
had placed the rifle maybe a little further away from campus,

(04:58):
if he really they needed to have a drop point.
Would there have been that type of evidence that was
left behind. Now, I think they would have caught the
guy regardless if they caught Luigi Mangioni who shot and
killed United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. There was nothing in
the video that you could have pointed to that you

(05:20):
knew was that guy. But they were able through surveillance
and through a variety of different you know, kind of leads.
After about five days, found out who they were looking
for and then knew where to find him, which surprised me.
I thought he was gone. There was no way they
were going to get him. If they got him in

(05:40):
those circumstances, I was pretty confident they were going to
be able to figure out what to do with this guy. Now,
the entire timeline, they have tried their best to put
the timeline together of what it looks like, and we
have that for you. And this is together by a

(06:00):
couple of people, and this was from the Utah Department
of Public Safety as well as people at Utah Valley University.
And then this was put together again by Fox News
and put up on their website, and it's really fascinating.
I'm going to walk through this timeline so we have
a better understanding of what the plan was and how
it was executed by this individual all the way from

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the morning of the shooting to a couple of days
later when he was a day and a half later
when he surrendered to authorities. I have a timeline here
that was put together by the people at Utah Valley
University as well as the people in the Department of

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Public Safety in Utah about what the assassin of Charlie
Kirk's day looked like and what happened leading up to
his surrender. Essentially, they started eight twenty nine am. The

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shooter arrived in Orum, which is the city where Utah
Valley University is. He arrived in a gray Dodge Challenger
wearing light colored shorts, black hat with a white logo
on it, and light colored shoes. Before the attack, he
changed into jeans and a black long sleeve shirt that
had an American flag on it. That's, you know, some

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of the images that we saw before his surrender, and
Utah Department of Public Safety Commissioner Ba Mason as describing this.
In that morning, the shooter walked through parts of the
campus at Utah Valley University, potentially scouting the area. This
was again around eight thirty in the morning that day.

(07:52):
Now wasn't until about eight eleven fifty to eleven fifty
three that surveillance video captured this individual walking onto the
Utah Valley University campus from the north side of campus,
entering through the school grounds through a tunnel under campus drive,
and checking his cell phone before going underground where eventually,

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you know, every campus kind of has its little quirks
and there are perimeters on every campus, but it's not
always just like a lock and key kind of situation, right,
Like you can just kind of wander. I take my
dogs on walks on the UNO campus all the time, right,
And I don't live far from there. It's fun to
kind of walk through the college campus and everything. There

(08:36):
are different areas, but there are cameras in neighborhoods and
along where some of these buildings are. Just afternoon at
twelve oh two pm. This is all local time in Utah.
The affidavit states that the shooter was recorded on camera
on the north side of the low seat center, walking

(08:57):
with a strange, distinctive gait. Now, this is the video
that we were noticing. And the reason that we are
to assume that he's walking oddly is we assume that
he's got the rifle in his jenes. Like it's a
concealed rifle that's down one of the legs of his

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jeans and it's making him walk oddly. You can see
that in the video at twelve fifteen to twelve twenty three.
Over that eight minute span, another surveillance video showed an
individual dress in the dark clothing climbing the staircase that
authorities said, leads to the common area next to the
Losi Center, climbing over a wall, crouched on top of

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the roof and waited a few minutes before running across
the rooftop. And then in that video you can see
there's no lamp or anything, but of course the rifle
itself is not in the jeans anymore. Crouched into a
prone shooting position with a direct line of sight to
where Charlie Kirk was seated, and at twelve twenty three
is when the shot occurred. That would have been one

(10:01):
twenty three hour time. So I was literally about to
come back into the office to do my show a
couple of wednesdays ago when that occurred, and I just
couldn't believe what I was seeing. And then it was
on social media within minutes videos of what people were
getting and it was horrible, and it's that day. I'm
never going to forget that day. But that was the

(10:23):
time that had happened. In just a few minutes later
is when the news was breaking about it, and certainly
it created a chaotic situation and seen with the thousands
of college students who were just around wanting to either
talk to or see Charlie Kirk for this Turning Point
USA event at Utah Valley University. Now again, in that

(10:44):
moment and immediately after that, authorities had taken someone into custody,
that person yelled he was the shooter, allegedly, and he
told police he yelled that because he wanted to allow
the suspect to self to flee. This guy, I'm not
even go I'm not saying his name because I don't

(11:05):
want him to get famous either, but really dumb, it
is an older guy. There are videos immediately of people
jumping on top of him saying that whatever right. And
so he's been charged with obstruction of justice. And then
he also apparently they searched his phone afterwards and found
child sex abuse material, so he's got possession of that,

(11:28):
also charged an obstruction of justice. Obviously very well. Those
initial moments could have been crucial if this individual who
committed the actual shooting went on the run after the shooting.
Surveillance video captured the guy the shooter, fleeing the rooftop

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and carrying the rifle and then climbing down, dropping the
rifle just to kind of reset, and then picked it
up and ran toward the northeast end of the campus,
and later in the afternoon he lingered in the area
in an effort to retrieve the rifle where he stashed
it in the woods. Now, again, this was maybe the
big mistake that he made, and thankfully he did, because

(12:13):
that was a huge piece of evidence and it kept
him at the scene longer than maybe otherwise he would
have for whatever it was worth. Now, the big heavy
presence and the Department of Public Safety said that we
were using the technology to track the movements and retrace
the steps of not only was he hanging around, but

(12:36):
where he was and if he interacted with anybody at
the time. And just beyond campus in this wooded area,
they discovered that Mauser rifle wrapped in a towel. They
had four rounds of animal in there. One was spent,
three were live, and they all had those inscriptions of
course that we learned about, which is again just craze behavior.

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And that was when they started to figure out, okay,
the kind of person they were looking for. At two
forty their time, three forty our time here Central time zone,
that was when the announcement was made by President Trump
that Charlie Kirk had passed away from his injuries. A
couple hours later, for twenty one Utah time, that's when
FBI Director Cash Betel announced that the subject that took

(13:22):
the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody. But
that was not true. That was a completely different person
and that person was questioned and released and was not
the individual they were looking for now. Again, that is strange,
right that the FBI director they had people in custody
twice and ended up having the wrong person two different times,
and eventually they were able to find the right person.

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But it definitely gave people a lot of mixed feelings
about how the initial part of this conversation and this
investigation was going. Six point thirty pm, the evening of
the shooting, two law enforcement sources said that the shooter
this is what I alluded to earlier, made contact with
an officer near the area where investigators found the murder weapon,

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and according to sources, the officer was guarding the area
and they think in hindsight, he was in the area
wearing his different clothes in an attempt to go and
retrieve the rifle in the towel. This is when all
the text messages were coming in that we read and
did everything that we needed to to try to understand

(14:30):
who this person was. They shared the surveillance photographs and
everything that all take took place on the morning of
September eleventh, at around nine to fifty eight Utah time.
At ten forty four Utah time, the FBI's announcing a
reward of up to one hundred thousand dollars for info
leading to the identification and arrest of the suspect. According

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to law enforcement officers, the shooter's mother saw images of
the suspect, thought the shooter looked like her son, and
he told her he'd been sick at home on both
that Wednesday in the following day, but she told her
husband that she didn't believe him. His father agreed and

(15:14):
recognized the weapon from the news coverage as the same
bolt action rifle that his grandfather used to have but
now belonged to his son, and that's when he had
asked for a photo of the rifle when you can
see that in some of his text messages. We are
talking about really kind of an interesting timeline that has

(15:36):
been kind of put together by people from Utah Valley
University and the Director of Public Safety from the Apartment
of Public Safety in Utah and then kind of put
together on the website at Fox for Fox News, and
as you know, I kind of perused this, and it
lines everything up from the morning of the Charlie Kirk
assassination all the way to the surrender of the individual

(15:59):
who committed the at least allegedly, although I think we're
pretty pretty sure that this is the right person. Find
a lot of what happened here very fascinating. So we
left off the morning of September eleventh. It's the next
day the FBI releasing photos of the suspect, just shy

(16:20):
of ten Am, Utah time, and then less than an
hour later, the FBI announcing on a reward of one
hundred thousand dollars for information leading to the identification in
the arrest of the subject. This is when the shooter's
mother recognizes her son in the photos that are released,

(16:40):
saw images of the suspect on TV, thought the shooter
looked like her son, called him, and then he had
an excuse saying he was actually sick at home on
the Wednesday, and then of course was sick at home
that morning as well. She didn't really believe him talked
to her husband and he agreed that the photos looked

(17:03):
like their son. And then he also had recognized the gun,
which was his dad's gun, his grandfather's gun that had
been inherited by the son he had been given to
the shooter according to these court filings. These are all
coming from court filings, and this how this has all
been put together now with that information, he called the

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would be shooter the shooter himself and said, send me
a photo of the rifle, and he did not respond
with the photo. He did text his roommate, the transgender
lover that he had and was saying all this stuff
to basically no response at this point in those text messages,

(17:47):
saying my dad is looking for a photo of the
rifle and he didn't have it. Then, when both of
his parents confronted him further, he implied he actually was
the shooter and told his parents he couldn't go to
jail and admitted he wanted to end it, which I'm
led to believe that that means he wanted to just

(18:09):
commit suicide. They asked him why he would do something
like this. He said, Charlie Kirk spreads too much hate,
and this goes back to also the text messages he
had sent to his roommate basically saying some hate you
can't negotiate with now. By eight o'clock that evening, Utah time,

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the sheriff in this region in Utah, Sheriff Brooksby and
Washington County, Utah, said he received a call from a
family friend of the shooter who said that the shooter
the suspect, willing to come involuntarily. During that call, the
sheriff learned that the shooter had expressed suicidal thoughts and

(18:52):
feared being killed by law enforcement in a raid. Again,
just this is twenty two year old people being really
really stupid, totally willing to inflict gun violence, to kill
someone else and put thousands of college students at risk,

(19:15):
but too cowardly and fearful of what that might be
on the other end of it. I have absolutely no
sympathy for people that can't even even think long enough
about stuff like this to be able to understand the
kind of damage that they are doing, not just to
the soul that they're taking away from this earth, the

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people who are close to that person, like I don't know,
his wife, his children, the scarring of the people that
were there, the damage it did to our nation and
what it continues to do in the fallout of what's
going on with violence in our nation. But no, he
was too afraid of being shot at by police. Wow,

(20:02):
that all was happening just after eight o'clock Utah time,
but just before nine o'clock, less than an hour later,
according to reports, that had gone into Discord, which was
the app or the chat method in which this individual,
the shooter, had been talking to people. And again there
a lot of young people are on Discord. It's more
for gaming, but people talk about different things. A lot

(20:25):
of people are saying, like young people are getting radicalized
through Discord. If it's happening on Discord, that it's happening
on rad it's probably happening on corners of Facebook, it's
happening on Instagram. If you're getting radicalized, it has a
lot to do with the mental makeup of the individual
that is already there. Not necessarily, I don't think we

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can just blame one specific app for something like this happening.
Now again, I just want to put this out there.
That does not mean that we shouldn't have bigger, better
rules for some of these apps that tend to have
some more discourse like this, like Discord does. Discord also

(21:08):
was the app that you know the individual who you
know was like a year or two ago, the person
the twenty one year old who was sharing secrets that
they were learning about what the military was doing, an
incredibly serious offense. Just not thinking about things like I
just it drives me nuts that there are people out

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there that are literally ruining their entire lives and the
lives of others by just being thoughtless on these apps,
as if no one is paying attention. Maybe somebody needs
to pay closer attention to some of these apps anyway,
Reports citing Discord records this shooter had friends on the

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Discord app. Those friends provided chats involving the shooter to
independent journalists Cling Kleppenstein and The Washington Post. The friends
on Discord received a message from the account of the shooter,
which we're led to believe, saying I have bad news
for you all. It was me at UVU yesterday and

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the message also hinted that this individual was going to
surrender to the local sheriff's office in Washington County, Utah.
Now Discord has a spokesperson that confirmed to the Fox
Business Network that the reporting from the Post detailing these
messages is accurate. So they said, yes, that's the same
chat that we were able to uncover from that account. Also,

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sometime between nine and ten pm on the evening of
September eleventh, the shooter arrived at the Washington County Sheriff's
office with a family friend and his both of his
parents plain clothes. Detectives were there, honoring the condition at
the office of a peaceful, gentle and comfortable surrender must

(23:01):
have been nice. He was not handcuffed, and he waited
for two and a half hours for authorities to arrive
from Orum, where the shooting occurred, to Washington County. The sheriff, Brooksby,
gave him water, described him as quiet and somber while
he waited in the interview room with his parents there

(23:23):
until the investigators of federal and state levels arrived to
take him into custody. Again, just I don't know what
it would be like to be a parent and have
your twenty two year old son. First of all, there's
a lot probably to unpack. With the roommate to transgender relationship.
There had to have been a few things that they

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noticed that you know, politically were changing in their son
as part of this, and then to immediately note when
the photos came out, is this you thinking that this
looks like your son? Couldn't imagine what that felt like.
And then to talk him into not killing himself but

(24:06):
instead to talk him into surrendering peacefully, and again, you'll
take the individual however you can take him. So I
understand why law enforcement decided that they needed to be
very very careful about this and make him as comfortable
and as gentle as possible. Even though I think most

(24:27):
of us who witnessed the crime that this individual is
alleged to have committed, we think pretty clearly that this
is the right person. He doesn't deserve any of that
and is certainly worthy of being tried with the possibility
of the death penalty being on the line here now.
In the morning of September the twelfth, around two am,

(24:48):
Utah time, he was transferred to Utah County to be
booked around two in the morning, so they came from
Orum down to Washington County, put him in custody a
federal and state authorities, and then took him back to
Utah County and then on September the thirteenth, the suspect's

(25:08):
roommate cooperating with the investigators, which is how we got
all these text messages released to the public. And then
September the fifteenth, which you know, over the weekend after
all this took place Cash Battel, the FBI director jumped
on Fox News and said that he reported the DNA
from the towel and the DNA from a screwdriver were

(25:30):
positively processed of that being the suspect in custody, and
then the charges were formally filed on September the sixteenth,
including aggravated and murder which carries the potential death penalty
as a punishment, as well as other charges as well.
He's next in court on the twenty ninth, which is
next Monday, and we will of course be paying close

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attention to what that looks like. That is not an
actual in person court appearance. This is going to be
a court appearance virtually much like the first court appearance
when the charges were officially filed.