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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Donald Trump's already eyeballing the next city. He'd like to
deploy National Guard troops too, and he says Chicago is
in the cross here so well, joining us to kind
of discuss this and try to figure this out is
a person who absolutely knows how to talk about these
types of things. Executive director at the American Principals Project,
Anthony le Bruna, joining us on the phone line. Anthony,
(00:20):
is always a pleasure to have you on the show today.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hey, it's great to be with you again.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, no problem, I wonder right, So, as far as
this goes, I talked about this before we hit the
bottom of the hour, that we have to run all
of our opinions in this same thing with our politicians
through a political filter.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
So you have JB.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Pritzker, the governor of Illinois. You have Brendan Johnson, who's
the mayor of Chicago. These are people who are trying
to reject anything that Trump says could potentially help clean
up crime in the city of Chicago. Is that kind
of the read that you have here, Even though that
seems like whatever the plan they've had has not been working.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, I think it's you know, they're trying to score
cheap political points while they sacrifice the safety of their citizens.
You know, Governor Pritzker, you know, as governor of Illinois,
should take a real interest in ensuring that the streets
of Chicago are safe, not only for the citizens, but
for all the Americans who travel to the Midwest to
(01:24):
go to you know, the biggest city in the Midwest,
Chicago for tourism. And that's just not the case. It's
not a safe place to go. You have to stay
on a certain side of Chicago, uh, if you want
to be in a stafer area. But I think it's
more than just what they're doing. It's the administration, h
you know, President Trump and his officials. No matter if
(01:46):
you live in a blue state or a red state,
American safety is the number one concern and that's where
you've seen success here in Washington. You know, he started
off by staying Washington, d C. Needs to be cleaned
up where start there at our nation's capitals, that people
as American citizens and tourists all across the world can
come to this great city and being a place where
(02:10):
they feel safe, where they can bring their children and
experience life and not have concerns of their overall well
being in safety while visiting this city. This is Pritzker
honestly getting ready to run in twenty twenty eight. He's
trying to score cheap political points and win over the
far left, which he will need to win over if
(02:31):
he wants to be the nominee, because he's going up
against people like Gavin Newsom and Hockel who might be
seeking the presidential nomination in twenty eight from the Democratic Party,
and if he's going to he's got to win over
the very far left base to clinch that nomination.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, it's a strange dance that they'll have to do.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Those same people, after they know they have the nomination
in hand, will have to make themselves seem at least
a little bit more moderate to win over the independence
of America. It's just a very strange thing that is
going on now. Anthony and le Bruna joining us here.
What would be kind of implementation strategically right from Donald
Trump's perspective, because he's reporting that over a couple of
(03:13):
weeks of doing what he's doing in Washington, d C.
Haven't been murders. We've seen, you know, people be arrested
in cleaning the streets up of people who are have
committed crimes or have you know, firearms illegally things of
that nature.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And what would this look like in Chicago?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Certainly there would be a counter protests that would be
trying to stand up to the deployment of National Guard troops.
But wouldn't the police department be like happy to have
the help. I just guess that there wouldn't there be
a disconnect here?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I think there is a disconnect. You know. You see
this rhetoric to defund the police and what the consequences
of that has led to, right, unstafe for cities, not
enough resources for our law enforcement. You see that in
LA when they defunded part of the fire department and
they couldn't fight fight the fires. So, you know, implementation,
(04:10):
you know, I will start with this. You know, I've
already heard that there's gonna be pushed back that he
doesn't have the authority. President Trump has full authority to
deployed that the federal national and federalized the National Guard
and deploy them, right. You know, the thing for President
Trump is, you know, when he took the oath of office,
(04:30):
one of the main things he has to do is
ensure that law and order is maintained, and that's what
he'll be doing. And there's a president that's already been set.
There's seven other presidents who have federalized the National Guard
and deployed them across the country to multiple different states.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And we've seen this before where you had unfriendly governors
who did not want the law or the National Guard
to come in and aid the law enforcement in implementing
and executing the federal law. So you know, for Chicago police,
they would probably be overjoyed that they're going to have
some more resources, more manpower in the city to help
(05:10):
deal with all this crime. You know, the Mayor Johnson
has really left them to a task that is undoable
with what he's done to the police force in Chicago,
and you're seeing it negatively impact the citizens of Chicago,
but also this nation.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
We're speaking with Anthony le Bruno as the executive director
at the American Principles Project. I think what you said
there about law enforcement really wanting this, it tells me
that that political barrier essentially that exists between Donald Trump
and the federal government and wanting to help, right, And
(05:49):
I know he's trying to score political points too. I
mean it, This could go a long way to actually
helping Republicans in major cities if you have a Republican president,
like a polarizing one at that, going in with the
National Guard with a completely different plan and then seeing
results and then being able to say, you said you
had no problem. I just came in and fixed the problem.
(06:13):
Is there a risk here that if Donald Trump does
successfully get into a place like Chicago clean up the crime,
like he says he's done with the National Guard in Washington, DC,
even just over a couple of weeks, that you could
start seeing a turn of you know, maybe not a
majority of these large cities would turn Republican, but enough
to make it difficult for Democrats to rely on these
(06:34):
major cities to help lead them to an election win,
maybe say in twenty twenty eight for instance.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Well, I think that's a really tall tall order to
change some of these major cities, especially like La New
York Chicago. It's me very difficult to have a mayoral
candidate win that's a Republican. You know, with the negative
impact that the Biden administration had by bringing all these
legal immigrants into these major cities and you know, becoming
(07:03):
sanctuary cities. You know, we don't know where or who
is voting in these cities. There's a lot of corruption already.
But I think there is a chance where you see
that shift. It may not result in electoral victories for
Republicans right off the bat, but you could see, you know,
city councilmen and mayoral races get closer, and that means
(07:26):
the Democratic Party has to spend more money in these races,
which is good because it takes the financial burden off
some of these state wides and these federal races and
may give us the opportunity pick up seats in the
House and the Senate. Now, I think Illinois would be
a very tall tale to Winna to state or a
Senate seat there, but we may be able to pick
(07:46):
up and you know, if you look at the Illinois map,
it is very it is very jerry rigged, and we
might have the opportunity to pick up some more congressional
seats in the state of Illinois.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, and it's the other thing too, right in it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Like you said, I'm not saying that this is something
that's going to happen right away, but even just to
turn the tide a little bit, in some of these
metropolitan areas, some of these democratic strongholds of just people saying,
you know what, actually they are seeing results. Now that
I have it in front of me, do you think
Donald Trump would continue to target Chicago until something positive
does happen or would you anticipate, because you know he
(08:25):
is showing a willingness to do this, that he might
look at a place like New York, or a place
like Detroit, or a place like Los Angeles to have
this type of plan executed on top of this and
try to see if he can you know, score multiple
victories as far as crime goes all at once.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I think that's a real opportunity. And you know, it
depends on the resources the president can deploy. You know,
it's worked in in Washington, d C. I think it
would have the same type of results in cities as
you mentioned Chicago, Detroit, LA, New York. Like those cities
need the reinforcements, they need the support on the for
(09:08):
the police and for our first responders front. And you know,
if the city is not going to give it, or
the state is not willing to give them the resources,
then basically President Trump has said I'm willing to give
it to you so you guys can succeed, do your
job successfully, and continue law and order Uh in our
nation's greatest cities.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, no doubt uh.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Anthony Libreno, Executive director at the American Principles Project.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Thanks so much, Anthony for the time and the information today.
We really do appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Thanks for having me
Donald Trump's already eyeballing the next city. He'd like to
deploy National Guard troops too, and he says Chicago is
in the cross here so well, joining us to kind
of discuss this and try to figure this out is
a person who absolutely knows how to talk about these
types of things. Executive director at the American Principals Project,
Anthony le Bruna, joining us on the phone line. Anthony,
(00:20):
is always a pleasure to have you on the show today.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hey, it's great to be with you again.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, no problem, I wonder right, So, as far as
this goes, I talked about this before we hit the
bottom of the hour, that we have to run all
of our opinions in this same thing with our politicians
through a political filter.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
So you have JB.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Pritzker, the governor of Illinois. You have Brendan Johnson, who's
the mayor of Chicago. These are people who are trying
to reject anything that Trump says could potentially help clean
up crime in the city of Chicago. Is that kind
of the read that you have here, Even though that
seems like whatever the plan they've had has not been working.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, I think it's you know, they're trying to score
cheap political points while they sacrifice the safety of their citizens.
You know, Governor Pritzker, you know, as governor of Illinois,
should take a real interest in ensuring that the streets
of Chicago are safe, not only for the citizens, but
for all the Americans who travel to the Midwest to
(01:24):
go to you know, the biggest city in the Midwest,
Chicago for tourism. And that's just not the case. It's
not a safe place to go. You have to stay
on a certain side of Chicago, uh, if you want
to be in a stafer area. But I think it's
more than just what they're doing. It's the administration, h
you know, President Trump and his officials. No matter if
(01:46):
you live in a blue state or a red state,
American safety is the number one concern and that's where
you've seen success here in Washington. You know, he started
off by staying Washington, d C. Needs to be cleaned
up where start there at our nation's capitals, that people
as American citizens and tourists all across the world can
come to this great city and being a place where
(02:10):
they feel safe, where they can bring their children and
experience life and not have concerns of their overall well
being in safety while visiting this city. This is Pritzker
honestly getting ready to run in twenty twenty eight. He's
trying to score cheap political points and win over the
far left, which he will need to win over if
(02:31):
he wants to be the nominee, because he's going up
against people like Gavin Newsom and Hockel who might be
seeking the presidential nomination in twenty eight from the Democratic Party,
and if he's going to he's got to win over
the very far left base to clinch that nomination.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, it's a strange dance that they'll have to do.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Those same people, after they know they have the nomination
in hand, will have to make themselves seem at least
a little bit more moderate to win over the independence
of America. It's just a very strange thing that is
going on now. Anthony and le Bruna joining us here.
What would be kind of implementation strategically right from Donald
Trump's perspective, because he's reporting that over a couple of
(03:13):
weeks of doing what he's doing in Washington, d C.
Haven't been murders. We've seen, you know, people be arrested
in cleaning the streets up of people who are have
committed crimes or have you know, firearms illegally things of
that nature.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And what would this look like in Chicago?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Certainly there would be a counter protests that would be
trying to stand up to the deployment of National Guard troops.
But wouldn't the police department be like happy to have
the help. I just guess that there wouldn't there be
a disconnect here?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I think there is a disconnect. You know. You see
this rhetoric to defund the police and what the consequences
of that has led to, right, unstafe for cities, not
enough resources for our law enforcement. You see that in
LA when they defunded part of the fire department and
they couldn't fight fight the fires. So, you know, implementation,
(04:10):
you know, I will start with this. You know, I've
already heard that there's gonna be pushed back that he
doesn't have the authority. President Trump has full authority to
deployed that the federal national and federalized the National Guard
and deploy them, right. You know, the thing for President
Trump is, you know, when he took the oath of office,
(04:30):
one of the main things he has to do is
ensure that law and order is maintained, and that's what
he'll be doing. And there's a president that's already been set.
There's seven other presidents who have federalized the National Guard
and deployed them across the country to multiple different states.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And we've seen this before where you had unfriendly governors
who did not want the law or the National Guard
to come in and aid the law enforcement in implementing
and executing the federal law. So you know, for Chicago police,
they would probably be overjoyed that they're going to have
some more resources, more manpower in the city to help
(05:10):
deal with all this crime. You know, the Mayor Johnson
has really left them to a task that is undoable
with what he's done to the police force in Chicago,
and you're seeing it negatively impact the citizens of Chicago,
but also this nation.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
We're speaking with Anthony le Bruno as the executive director
at the American Principles Project. I think what you said
there about law enforcement really wanting this, it tells me
that that political barrier essentially that exists between Donald Trump
and the federal government and wanting to help, right, And
(05:49):
I know he's trying to score political points too. I
mean it, This could go a long way to actually
helping Republicans in major cities if you have a Republican president,
like a polarizing one at that, going in with the
National Guard with a completely different plan and then seeing
results and then being able to say, you said you
had no problem. I just came in and fixed the problem.
(06:13):
Is there a risk here that if Donald Trump does
successfully get into a place like Chicago clean up the crime,
like he says he's done with the National Guard in Washington, DC,
even just over a couple of weeks, that you could
start seeing a turn of you know, maybe not a
majority of these large cities would turn Republican, but enough
to make it difficult for Democrats to rely on these
(06:34):
major cities to help lead them to an election win,
maybe say in twenty twenty eight for instance.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Well, I think that's a really tall tall order to
change some of these major cities, especially like La New
York Chicago. It's me very difficult to have a mayoral
candidate win that's a Republican. You know, with the negative
impact that the Biden administration had by bringing all these
legal immigrants into these major cities and you know, becoming
(07:03):
sanctuary cities. You know, we don't know where or who
is voting in these cities. There's a lot of corruption already.
But I think there is a chance where you see
that shift. It may not result in electoral victories for
Republicans right off the bat, but you could see, you know,
city councilmen and mayoral races get closer, and that means
(07:26):
the Democratic Party has to spend more money in these races,
which is good because it takes the financial burden off
some of these state wides and these federal races and
may give us the opportunity pick up seats in the
House and the Senate. Now, I think Illinois would be
a very tall tale to Winna to state or a
Senate seat there, but we may be able to pick
(07:46):
up and you know, if you look at the Illinois map,
it is very it is very jerry rigged, and we
might have the opportunity to pick up some more congressional
seats in the state of Illinois.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, and it's the other thing too, right in it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Like you said, I'm not saying that this is something
that's going to happen right away, but even just to
turn the tide a little bit, in some of these
metropolitan areas, some of these democratic strongholds of just people saying,
you know what, actually they are seeing results. Now that
I have it in front of me, do you think
Donald Trump would continue to target Chicago until something positive
does happen or would you anticipate, because you know he
(08:25):
is showing a willingness to do this, that he might
look at a place like New York, or a place
like Detroit, or a place like Los Angeles to have
this type of plan executed on top of this and
try to see if he can you know, score multiple
victories as far as crime goes all at once.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I think that's a real opportunity. And you know, it
depends on the resources the president can deploy. You know,
it's worked in in Washington, d C. I think it
would have the same type of results in cities as
you mentioned Chicago, Detroit, LA, New York. Like those cities
need the reinforcements, they need the support on the for
(09:08):
the police and for our first responders front. And you know,
if the city is not going to give it, or
the state is not willing to give them the resources,
then basically President Trump has said I'm willing to give
it to you so you guys can succeed, do your
job successfully, and continue law and order Uh in our
nation's greatest cities.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, no doubt uh.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Anthony Libreno, Executive director at the American Principles Project.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Thanks so much, Anthony for the time and the information today.
We really do appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Thanks for having me
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