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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, with that being said, something that has had some
level of control over our you know, community in a
way is TikTok. It is a social media app. I'm
sure everybody's heard of it. It became a big campaign
point for the Republicans leading up to the nomination process
in twenty twenty four. And I don't think that you know,
(00:21):
I'm not on TikTok that much. I don't know a
ton about it, but it is interesting its relationship with
its parent company and the Chinese Communist Party. So joining
us to kind of explain that. Reporting from Miami for
Fox News Radio is Evan Brown and Evan, what's the
latest that you can tell me about the conversation between
our President Donald Trump and Chinese President Jiji Ping about TikTok.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, that's a good question. You know, there's a conversation
that's underway now this morning. It started shortly after eight
o'clock Eastern, and I believe it may still be ongoing.
But the question that we want answered is what is
going to become of TikTok. And earlier this week, the
guidance that we had all been getting was that a
deal was in the works for an American consortium of
(01:05):
companies and investors to acquire eighty percent of TikTok, leaving
twenty percent of it under ownership of the Chinese based
Byte Dance and therefore the Chinese Communist Party, and essentially
this would probably allow for American control of the app,
at least within the American market, and that it would
(01:27):
still permit China to make a little bit of profit
as opposed to making no profit and having no operation
of it under a ban. But this may be a
way to address everyone's issues that the Chinese company, Chinese products,
their invention, that they should still be able to make
(01:49):
some money off of its profits, but that control of
it needs to go to an American operation that can
assure that it's not being used abusively towards American citizens,
which has been sort of the big complaint.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, during the campaign of the Republican nomination process and
Donald Trump, you know, he won that very easily, but
there were a lot of contentious moments while there were
other candidates involved, including the veak Ramaswami and Nikki Haley
especially who was talking about how this was a true,
you know, national security threat that exists and needs to
(02:26):
be pulled away it needs to be banned in the
United States, and we should not trust that China is
going to do the right thing on any level with this.
Donald Trump seemed to somewhat echo that feeling, and then
at some point last year, as the campaign was winding
down and even in the wake of his victory, saying well,
we're going to get a deal to keep this thing
up in operational. There was a deadline for I think
(02:48):
a few hours it was actually banned and he couldn't
access it, and then it was brought back, and now
we're here at this point. What has been kind of
the tune change from the Conservatives or the Republicans about
the merits of this app in its existence in the
United States.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Well, the big thing is that Donald Trump discovered it
and how it could be useful in helping him run
his campaign to reach younger voters. I don't mean that
in a sinister way. It's very much true. That's just
where younger Americans, even adults, but younger adults are in
terms of spending time in the digital space. They're on TikTok.
(03:25):
So the question is is can we keep it but
have a way where we are in control of it.
So that it's not being abused or not being used
as an abusive tool against Americans, which we know it
has been. First of all, TikTok collects a lot of data,
and that's dangerous. Not only is it used to direct advertising,
(03:47):
but it's used for spying. If they can find that
someone who lives, let's say, near a national nuclear laboratory,
they find they have the ability to track someone's phone
going between a private home and this facility. Now know
that that person works there, and maybe they could try
to pressure them for you know, for information on what
(04:07):
goes on in that lab. Right, That's that's a major
security flaw, if you will. On the other hand of things,
it directs harmful content to American younger people who can
be influenced more easily. There was a reason why a
couple of years ago a number of American college students
started posting, Hey, I read Bin Laden's letter after nine
(04:29):
to eleven. You know he makes some good points. Maybe
we're not the good guys here. Well, that was the
work of Chinese operators of TikTok, delivering a message that
was uncritical and warped to the minds of younger people
who could be more influenced by a very bad thing.
(04:50):
And that's that's very very much an illustration of how
capable TikTok can be for bad use. And so even
if an American company is not the with its way,
it makes better sense for an American company or companies
to own this thing because they are responsible to American regulators,
(05:13):
which Chinese companies based in Beijing are not.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It makes a lot of sense. We're joined by Evan
Brown here from Fox News Radio. The element of I
mean that it's kind of if anybody didn't know exactly
how TikTok work and they hear that, it's like, wow,
how has this just been able to exist? And on
top of that, you know, the state of Iowa has
sued TikTok through Attorney General Brenna Bird about you know,
(05:39):
some of the content and the age verification. You know,
they say it's twelve plus app, but there's a lot
of stuff that's really for adult eyes on that app.
But I find the biggest key here the actual conversation
between Ji Jinping and President Trump, where there's been a
lot of friction. I know we've talked about trade deals.
I know we've heard about you know, trying to come
to some level of agreement and meeting with each other
(06:01):
in person and all that stuff. But then you see
these military exercises and you know, kind of palain around
with places like North Korea or Russia and what that
potentially means for relationships moving forward. How would you best
describe the relationship as it stands right now in September
of twenty twenty five between Xijianping and Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
You remember the Godfather? Oh yeah, First, not personal, it's
only business. And I think that perhaps on the personal
side of things, the President Trump and President She probably
do like one another, but they don't have each other's
best interests at heart, and there's an argument to be made,
of course, that's that's fine. President Trump is the President
(06:48):
of the United States. His job is to look out
for American interests. President She is the president of China.
It's his job to look out for the interests of
the People's Republic of China. That's fine. I don't think
anyone else any other expectations. However, those interests don't align,
and often they are in stark contrast to one another.
It's in China's interest to weaken the United States of
(07:12):
America militarily economically, but also socially. A weak social structure
in the United States, one in which its people don't
trust the goodness, the innate goodness of its own country
is good for China because it makes America weak. And
(07:32):
when you force feed American kids without knowledge and of
their parents, or without giving them good context for everything
on social matters, well, yes, are we surprised that there
are American college kids and young adults who think the
United States is not good, who think the United States
(07:54):
was founded on bad terms of racial oppression and slavery
and land theft and colonization and all that stuff. We
translate that same paradigm to something like the state of Israel,
where we say, oh, you know, someone like Isama bin Lauden,
(08:15):
you had some good points there. The United States was involving,
it's putting its nose where it didn't belong in the
Middle East, and then supporting Israel. And then what else
were these you know people supposed to do. They attacked
us the way they could. You know, no, I'm sorry,
we shouldn't allow this in our country. And by you
(08:35):
parents out there who don't pay attention to what your
kids doing on their phones, you know, that's part of
the problem, and that's been exploited by the Chinese.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Government as an eye opener. That's for sure, something to
keep an eye on, and we will see if we
officially get this deal in a transition underway. To make
this feel safer from an American perspective, Evan Brown, great
stuff today as always really a pre shit you being
on the show. You bet
Now, with that being said, something that has had some
level of control over our you know, community in a
way is TikTok. It is a social media app. I'm
sure everybody's heard of it. It became a big campaign
point for the Republicans leading up to the nomination process
in twenty twenty four. And I don't think that you know,
(00:21):
I'm not on TikTok that much. I don't know a
ton about it, but it is interesting its relationship with
its parent company and the Chinese Communist Party. So joining
us to kind of explain that. Reporting from Miami for
Fox News Radio is Evan Brown and Evan, what's the
latest that you can tell me about the conversation between
our President Donald Trump and Chinese President Jiji Ping about TikTok.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, that's a good question. You know, there's a conversation
that's underway now this morning. It started shortly after eight
o'clock Eastern, and I believe it may still be ongoing.
But the question that we want answered is what is
going to become of TikTok. And earlier this week, the
guidance that we had all been getting was that a
deal was in the works for an American consortium of
(01:05):
companies and investors to acquire eighty percent of TikTok, leaving
twenty percent of it under ownership of the Chinese based
Byte Dance and therefore the Chinese Communist Party, and essentially
this would probably allow for American control of the app,
at least within the American market, and that it would
(01:27):
still permit China to make a little bit of profit
as opposed to making no profit and having no operation
of it under a ban. But this may be a
way to address everyone's issues that the Chinese company, Chinese products,
their invention, that they should still be able to make
(01:49):
some money off of its profits, but that control of
it needs to go to an American operation that can
assure that it's not being used abusively towards American citizens,
which has been sort of the big complaint.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, during the campaign of the Republican nomination process and
Donald Trump, you know, he won that very easily, but
there were a lot of contentious moments while there were
other candidates involved, including the veak Ramaswami and Nikki Haley
especially who was talking about how this was a true,
you know, national security threat that exists and needs to
(02:26):
be pulled away it needs to be banned in the
United States, and we should not trust that China is
going to do the right thing on any level with this.
Donald Trump seemed to somewhat echo that feeling, and then
at some point last year, as the campaign was winding
down and even in the wake of his victory, saying well,
we're going to get a deal to keep this thing
up in operational. There was a deadline for I think
(02:48):
a few hours it was actually banned and he couldn't
access it, and then it was brought back, and now
we're here at this point. What has been kind of
the tune change from the Conservatives or the Republicans about
the merits of this app in its existence in the
United States.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Well, the big thing is that Donald Trump discovered it
and how it could be useful in helping him run
his campaign to reach younger voters. I don't mean that
in a sinister way. It's very much true. That's just
where younger Americans, even adults, but younger adults are in
terms of spending time in the digital space. They're on TikTok.
(03:25):
So the question is is can we keep it but
have a way where we are in control of it.
So that it's not being abused or not being used
as an abusive tool against Americans, which we know it
has been. First of all, TikTok collects a lot of data,
and that's dangerous. Not only is it used to direct advertising,
(03:47):
but it's used for spying. If they can find that
someone who lives, let's say, near a national nuclear laboratory,
they find they have the ability to track someone's phone
going between a private home and this facility. Now know
that that person works there, and maybe they could try
to pressure them for you know, for information on what
(04:07):
goes on in that lab. Right, That's that's a major
security flaw, if you will. On the other hand of things,
it directs harmful content to American younger people who can
be influenced more easily. There was a reason why a
couple of years ago a number of American college students
started posting, Hey, I read Bin Laden's letter after nine
(04:29):
to eleven. You know he makes some good points. Maybe
we're not the good guys here. Well, that was the
work of Chinese operators of TikTok, delivering a message that
was uncritical and warped to the minds of younger people
who could be more influenced by a very bad thing.
(04:50):
And that's that's very very much an illustration of how
capable TikTok can be for bad use. And so even
if an American company is not the with its way,
it makes better sense for an American company or companies
to own this thing because they are responsible to American regulators,
(05:13):
which Chinese companies based in Beijing are not.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It makes a lot of sense. We're joined by Evan
Brown here from Fox News Radio. The element of I
mean that it's kind of if anybody didn't know exactly
how TikTok work and they hear that, it's like, wow,
how has this just been able to exist? And on
top of that, you know, the state of Iowa has
sued TikTok through Attorney General Brenna Bird about you know,
(05:39):
some of the content and the age verification. You know,
they say it's twelve plus app, but there's a lot
of stuff that's really for adult eyes on that app.
But I find the biggest key here the actual conversation
between Ji Jinping and President Trump, where there's been a
lot of friction. I know we've talked about trade deals.
I know we've heard about you know, trying to come
to some level of agreement and meeting with each other
(06:01):
in person and all that stuff. But then you see
these military exercises and you know, kind of palain around
with places like North Korea or Russia and what that
potentially means for relationships moving forward. How would you best
describe the relationship as it stands right now in September
of twenty twenty five between Xijianping and Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
You remember the Godfather? Oh yeah, First, not personal, it's
only business. And I think that perhaps on the personal
side of things, the President Trump and President She probably
do like one another, but they don't have each other's
best interests at heart, and there's an argument to be made,
of course, that's that's fine. President Trump is the President
(06:48):
of the United States. His job is to look out
for American interests. President She is the president of China.
It's his job to look out for the interests of
the People's Republic of China. That's fine. I don't think
anyone else any other expectations. However, those interests don't align,
and often they are in stark contrast to one another.
It's in China's interest to weaken the United States of
(07:12):
America militarily economically, but also socially. A weak social structure
in the United States, one in which its people don't
trust the goodness, the innate goodness of its own country
is good for China because it makes America weak. And
(07:32):
when you force feed American kids without knowledge and of
their parents, or without giving them good context for everything
on social matters, well, yes, are we surprised that there
are American college kids and young adults who think the
United States is not good, who think the United States
(07:54):
was founded on bad terms of racial oppression and slavery
and land theft and colonization and all that stuff. We
translate that same paradigm to something like the state of Israel,
where we say, oh, you know, someone like Isama bin Lauden,
(08:15):
you had some good points there. The United States was involving,
it's putting its nose where it didn't belong in the
Middle East, and then supporting Israel. And then what else
were these you know people supposed to do. They attacked
us the way they could. You know, no, I'm sorry,
we shouldn't allow this in our country. And by you
(08:35):
parents out there who don't pay attention to what your
kids doing on their phones, you know, that's part of
the problem, and that's been exploited by the Chinese.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Government as an eye opener. That's for sure, something to
keep an eye on, and we will see if we
officially get this deal in a transition underway. To make
this feel safer from an American perspective, Evan Brown, great
stuff today as always really a pre shit you being
on the show. You bet
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