What Can We Learn Post-Minn Shooting?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Scott Oryes is my partner in crime today. Glad to
have you as always. Yo, you're drinking something.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yep, what is it? The kool aid? Go Big Red.
I am drinking the Husker kool Aid. We're gonna put
such a beating on the Bearcats tonight you won't even
believe it. They might call that game at halftime. This
happened in a couple of high school games here in
Nebraska last year, where at halftime the team was just
getting throttled and they went in and there like, coach,

(00:27):
please don't make us do it, and they called off
the game and the team went home and they just said,
all right, game's over. That could happen a night at
Arrowhead Stadium. I am drinking the kool aid.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Well, I have a coffee concoction that I am drinking.
It's making me hype.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Oh that sounds good too.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
It is it is.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
It's that half coffee, half milk plus creamer with ice situation.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
So cheers and all yours.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
It's great hopefully wherever you are. I mean, let's be
a little a little realistic. We'll break down the Huskers
in a little while, and we need to. It's game
day in America and in Nebraska. But Cincinnati's pesky man.
I don't want to see you disappointed that things are tough.
But we're not just running them out of the running

(01:21):
them out of the stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
The only tough thing is you know, when the third
string gets tired from running up and down the field
against the Cincinnati bearcast, like, who do we else do
we have? Like do we pull parents out of the
stands and say, hey, you played high school football, get
in there, have some fun. I think they may is
that allowable?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I think they took like seventy guys, so yeah, that'd
be about right after three after three if you get
to the three deep.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, I think we're running out of guys.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Wait, what do you do when you put the fourth
string in and it's clear that some of these guys
are like the Pop Warner sized little brothers of the players,
and they're like, let's go in there and have fun. Like,
do you tell them not to try? I mean, when
you're getting whooped by the third and fourth string, you
can't just kneel down for the entire second half. Then

(02:08):
what do you do? That's a big concern tonight. I've
been drinking a lot of kool Aid? Are you sure
this is good kool Aider? Is this Jim Jones kool aid?
I feel great, it'll be Jim Jones kool aid. If
the Nebraska Cornhowsker football team decides to try and find

(02:28):
a way to lose in the fourth quarter, then it
could very well be the Jim Jones kool aid. Right now,
it's not bad. Right now, It's a big red kool Aid,
and I'm all about it.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Don't want that kool aid? Now?

Speaker 1 (02:41):
All right, Well, we'll talk more about that as the
show progresses. What I wanted to talk about now after
we spent the last hour essentially listening to information additional
information from the Minneapolis Police Department. There's Police Chief Brian
O'Hara and some other individuals who gave us information about
what we've learned over the last twenty four plus hours

(03:04):
investigating the shooter, which Brian O'Hara said, one of the
true motives, it seemed from the manifesto they're still kind
of digging into the relationship with the church in that
specific church in that school, but there are two main motives.
This person absolutely insane and evil and wanted to see children,
especially suffering, and wanted to kill children. Essentially, it's a

(03:28):
truly unspeakable thing for anyone to believe, but they have
every reason to think based on the manifesto and what
they have learned about this person, that that person felt
that way. The other thing that we know about motivation
is notoriety. The only people that this particular individual seemed
to admire were other mass murderers and had their names

(03:51):
and talked about their names or had written about them
in some admirable way. Mass murderers, school shooters, stuff like that. Well, Scott,
you've been around the block. You've had to talk about
these things, unfortunately for the better part of the last
however long you've done radio, How would you create the

(04:13):
information that we've gotten from Minneapolis police and other officials
from the last couple of days.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
I was super impressed with the police chief there, super
impressed in a place where the police have not exactly
been held up as heroes in that community. That guy
was professional. That guy showed a level of frustration for
what had happened in that crime. Because no matter how
many times you deal with it as law enforcement or

(04:41):
medical personnel, it should still get to you that you're
now responding to something as awful as this, you're seeing
victims as young and innocent as this. When you get
to the point where you're desensitized on any level about
any of this, that's a I had point to get to.
And I could see that in his eyes. You could

(05:03):
hear it. He got you didn't hear you didn't see
it on the radio, but he got emotional there at
the end of that news conference.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
And him saying specifically, do not say this person's name.
You don't say it because that's what this person wanted.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Right. I will tell you this though, because you're right,
I've I've had a chance to cover a lot of
these things, and I'm I'm happy to say that I
haven't gotten the point in my life or I'm desensitized
by it. So with that emory, in carrying a lot

(05:37):
of these kind of news conferences, there's almost every single time,
there's one consistent thread that goes through all of them,
and that is the elected officials from that community that
either want to say something. I'm not saying that they're
all grand standing, certainly not, but it just kind of
is the way it goes. You get elected officials in

(05:59):
the community and they say, well, I feel like I
need to say something or I really want to say something,
and you know, these people elected me to represent this
city or this district or whatever, and I want to
say something there to my people. I get it, I
absolutely get it. And you get this a lot of
news conferences where they say, Okay, we're gonna hear from
the police chief here. He's actually going to answer questions

(06:20):
and give you the details, but first we're gonna have
seven different elected officials say exactly the same thing in
a slightly different way for the next twenty minutes. That's
me kind of being a little snarky about how these
news conferences go, and like most of us are like, hey,
did you guys talk to the shooters parents? Which was
a really surprising answer that we have not had a

(06:41):
chance really And there seem to be a question about
whether the mom and dad live with each other and
all this. There's a lot that we still need to
find out there. But you had to listen to all
these different elected officials do their things as well intentioned
and as where their hearts might be pointed as it
is any of those people there at that news conference today.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Jacob Fry. The mayor was not there?

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, why not? He and Gorton happy to come out
yesterday and condemn those with their thoughts and prayers and
mock all of that. Look, and I'll even I'll even
try it. I got the grace to give him a
pass on some of that. But now a day later,
when you want to stand there next to your police
chief and celebrate, the cops are doing a great job

(07:27):
investigating this. Who responded? There the members of the medical
community doing this. You can't even show up and say that,
why why not? Why are some of these uh, these
representative groups not coming out and saying, yes, this person
was of this persuasion, but they certainly don't speak or

(07:49):
act on behalf of what this group's all about or
all the rest of it. And and this mayor in
Minneapolis couldn't be there, Yes, what's what's he doing?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
So? I don't know what he's doing. I if he's.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Not there, it's because he didn't want to be there,
because he didn't want to be looked at by people
who voted for him and say, don't you dare say
anything bad. This kid was probably bullied, and maybe that
church got what it deserved. There are too many people
who have that in their brains and hearts, and it's
and he decided to align himself with that poisonous thought.

(08:24):
Well rather than be there to celebrate law enforcement and medical.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well, and I'll be honest, I don't mind that he
wasn't there because we got down to business right away,
so I was fine with that. But he yesterday did
take the opportunity at the afternoon press conference. Then you
mentioned that where he came out and he basically said
thoughts and prayers aren't enough. We need we have more
guns on in America than we have people and made
the you know, pretty typical Democrat you know, uh, you know,

(08:52):
standard gun control argument. Again, you could tell he was
shaken up too, and I understand it, and that is
his party's political platform, and I'll give him a pass
on that too. The one thing he said even before
that was that he has noticed hate in the trans
community because this shooter identified as transgender. It has been

(09:14):
for better or it's not every single time to the
school shooter, are they trans, but there have been multiple
It has been something that has been a pattern a
bit here. But instead of condemning people for having questions
about the transgender community. He should have said it exactly
how you said it, just now that this particular individual

(09:37):
who is transgender, we know that they do not identify
or represent the general transgender population. If you would have
said it in that way, I think it would have
been more well received. And said yesterday it was just
you people are heathens for hating trans people, and it's

(09:58):
just like man, that is a part of the story here.
It absolutely is part of the equation and we have
to take that seriously. It's not about hating trans people.
It's about bringing that to the conversation because it obviously
needs to be part of the conversation. Now some of
the other things that we heard from Brian ol Hera,
by the way, got a profile on Brian O'Hara hired

(10:18):
by Minneapolis from Newark, New Jersey in twenty twenty two.
The first police chief hired by the city of Minneapolis
post George Floyd. So he was not in Minneapolis when
all of that was going down, and he was hired
by Jacob Frye to come and be the police chief
of Minneapolis, and he has done in I think, a

(10:39):
very very good job navigating all this from a very
human perspective, but a professional perspective as well, and he
doesn't and he has not answered questions he does not
know answers to. He was asked yesterday in the afternoon
about what should be the first steps of what we
should do to prevent this from happening in the future.
And he heard the question and said, I don't have

(11:00):
an answer for you on that, because he knows that's
not his job, because that will come out politically, it
will come out divisive, because there's not anything he can
say there that is going to make everyone happy. And
he took that moment to say I don't have an
answer for you on that. That was the most professional
thing that he could have said there. So I have
been very impressed with him. Three seventeen more about this
shooter in the profile in What We Know and What

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We'll Never Know coming up on news radio eleven ten KFAB.
We have been able to get some additional information about
the school shooter who will remain the Minneapolis Annunciation Church
school shooter from henceforth, as the police Chief of Minneapolis,
Brianohara said, this is a person who want a notoriety
as much as anything else. As part of this particular

(11:44):
heinous act of violence yesterday morning, and so saying the
name of this individual would only give them that satisfaction
even in the afterlife. And I think we all know
where that person's going. But regardless you know who, I'm
talking about, the information that we heard here the most

(12:08):
fascinating part of it, I think, and we could talk about. Okay,
So twenty three, you would still think that the parents
would be the most immediate people. You would kind of
ask about their behavioral patterns. Now, after I was eighteen
years old, I certainly did not see or talk to
my parents on a day to day basis. They saw
me every few weeks at best, except during the summers

(12:29):
when I was off of school. I would be around holidays,
but we didn't talk that often. I can understand how
something could have I could have been just up to whatever,
and my parents probably wouldn't have known specifics unless I
would have told them. They weren't close enough to me
in that situation. A twenty three year old, I can
absolutely understand that you know, maybe a parent or both parents,

(12:54):
or anybody that would have grown up with this person,
a high school or a college friend, a sibling, might
be enough to not really see these emotions and thoughts developing. However,
I would love to know what they could tell us
about how this person was when they were seventeen and

(13:16):
decided they needed a name change and to change their
sexual identity or their their sexual orientation or their gender
identification or whatever you want to say, because that would
give us at least some answer to maybe how this
was happening down the line six years.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think you're right about the parents. But he had friends,
did he have roommates, He had at some point co workers.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
His entire life, He would have had to have people
around him.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
You either believe that this guy woke up yesterday morning
and had this idea and carried it out, or that
there was a parade of warning flags that goes back
for years and people just decided not to intervene, or
as you often hear on the news after something like this,
they talked to friends, co workers', family members, neighbors, and

(14:03):
they say, yeah, we knew that he did some of
this and some of that. We didn't think he'd actually
act on it, though.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Well, with this specific one. This is the interesting part
of this. Minnesota's a blue state. It's theoretically more difficult
to get a gun there than it would be here.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
But this person still legally and lawfully did not conjure
up any red flags as far as the government is concerned,
to lawfully obtain three weapons. A traffic ticket is the
only blip that this person had on the radar of police.
That's not unlike the twenty year old that tried to

(14:40):
kill Donald Trump, who was just not anywhere and nowhere
on social media. We still don't know enough about that
kid because there just wasn't a lot there. This person
made manifesto videos and wrote a ton of stuff down.
He didn't say anything to anybody. He nobody heard him

(15:02):
talk about stuff like this.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
We don't know that yet.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
We don't, but like that would be the thing where
I have two ideas, and trust me, these are not
first choices. This is me talking through this of how
does a person get three weapons? Who is this evil
and seems to be this unhinged, because based on the law,
even in a blue state, there was nothing there that

(15:27):
could allow anyone to stop this individual from obtaining these weapons.
So here are my ideas, and these are clear infringements
of how we understand the Second Amendment but just hear
me out.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Number one.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
You know when you put a resume down that you
put the like a few names of references of people
who are people that like when I was trying to
get hired at iHeart for the first time, It's like
they call people I've worked with before, or people who
have worked with me or adjacent to me who would
give me a good word, and I'll put those people down. Well,

(16:03):
maybe in a lot of different ways you put like
an emergency contact information somewhere. Maybe there is like an
emergency contact thing that you have to fill out when
you apply to buy a purchase a firearm. And in
any situation, if it's a parent or a significant other
or a friend or you know, anyone, and I don't know,

(16:25):
you could totally mess with this and forge this and
only put people that would absolutely talk on your behalf.
But we at least put in the safeguards of the
firearm dealer by law has to reach out and say, hey,
so and so is looking to purchase a firearm. What
can you tell me about this individual? Very brief conversation.

(16:48):
That's that's my first idea of maybe somebody close to
this person get the phone call and says, Hey, this
person in Minneapolis who is transgender and twenty three years
old is looking to purchase three firearms. What can you
tell me about this individual? That might have given an
opportunity for someone on a list of references to say

(17:08):
I don't think that's a great idea, And then you
could try to figure out why my second idea is
adjacent to that, and it would take longer, and certainly
people would be even more upset at me for even
suggesting this, But again, just an idea, just thrown it
out there.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
An interview.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
You have someone at the firearm company that has to
carry out an interview of some sort. You can do
an interview for a job. You have to do an
interview to be able to pass whatever sort of interaction
to obtain a firearm. I wouldn't be opposed to the
idea of sitting here for thirty minutes just one on

(17:49):
one questions being asked, what are you planning to use
this firearm for? What would be kind of the idea?
Do you know how to operate this particular firearm? Do
you know how to load it to unloaded? You know
safety regulations? Do you are you aware of you know
local shooting ranges, local hunting laws depending on the questions, right,
and if you are prepared, or you are a hunter,

(18:11):
or you are someone that likes to shoot for fun
at the shooting ranges and stuff, these are questions that
you're going to know the answers to for somebody like this.
Could they have made that determination? And you, I think
could get a read on the mental health of a
person by having that conversation. Again, I know, a pretty
direct infringement of how we understand the Second Amendment. But

(18:34):
it's pretty clear there aren't enough obvious red flags in
this for as evil of this person was. As far
as the FBI and the police department and the government,
we're concerned, and probably I would imagine most people in
the neighborhood, we haven't heard a lot of people come
out of the woodwork and say, oh I knew that guy,
Yeah he was insane. Haven't heard any of that yet.

(18:55):
Maybe we will. Maybe eventually we'll be like, Okay, the
writing was absolutely on the wall for a length of
time here, but there wasn't enough for us to say, Okay,
flag that guy. He shouldn't be able to get his
hands on a rifle of shotgun and a pistol all
at once. We're gonna have to at some point look
at the system itself, because the mental health conversation comes

(19:19):
up every single time, and we still do not have
a good way to nail that down without infringing upon
somebody's rights. And again, if your answer is well, this
is a transgender person, just don't sell transgender people guns,
now you're really violating someone's Second Amendment rights.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
That's even worse.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Than you know, just outright refusing to sell somebody that
because of you know, being transgender at all. Right, you
you could say the exact same thing about people who
are Republican. I know that's not the exact same thing.
Those labels mean not the same thing. But if you
are just saying, based on one specific label, I am
not selling you a firearm without any other information, that

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is a pretty direct violation of the Second Amendment. So
I don't know what the exact answer is. I'm coming
up with the ideas. But the more we've learned, the
more it just seems like this person was off the
radar just enough that nobody seemed to have a good idea,
especially police, the FBI, and the government, who didn't even

(20:21):
know that this person existed until yesterday morning, three twenty nine.
We'll have more on news radio eleven to ten kfab
am are you songer? We'll talk plenty of football huskers,
other football games that are happening tonight, and just general
good vibes. Just wanted to kind of finish the appendage
to the conversation we were having about the school shooting,
and we do have a lot of people that are
saying different things to me an email, Scott, I didn't

(20:45):
give you a chance to ask you how you felt
about my ideas, And for those who were just tuning in,
I had just a couple of ideas and these are
just ideas. These are not things that I am advocating for.
I am just saying that this is a shooter in
Minneapolis yesterday who obtained three webs, a pistol, a shotgun,
and a rifle. These are three different weapons that were
obtained legally, lawfully and recently by a person that we

(21:10):
now know to have been a very dangerous individual that
pretty clearly, based on writings and videos that didn't get
published until yesterday, wanted to hurt and kill children, especially,
but seem to hate everybody except for school shooters and
mass murderers. A person that is clearly mentally unwell, but
somehow was completely through the cracks, just all the way through,

(21:34):
from top to bottom. This person should never have been
allowed outside of solitary confinement, let alone own a weapon,
but there was no way to know that. And we
are not a country that will infringe upon your right
until you give us a reason. This person only was
on the radar of the Minneapolis Police Department because of

(21:57):
one traffic ticket. So my two ideas were, Number one,
maybe you have a list of references that get called.
Maybe that would be at least an alert to somebody that, hey,
this person's purchasing a firearm in case he didn't know,
What should I know about this person? If it's any
big deal, I think for ninety five percent of us, certainly,

(22:18):
if we had to do that to get a gun,
and I've had guns before, Like, if that happened, my
wife would probably be like, oh, that's interesting that he's
interested in purchasing a gun. But I don't think she
would have anything weird to say about that. My parents
were called. I talked to them enough still to this
day they'd be like, yeah, I have no reason to
think that he's going to do anything strange with that.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
I trapshot when I was a kid. You know, it's
not that big of a deal.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
But for a few people in this country, I think
if this individual's parents were called, or a friend or
someone near this person was called and they're like, so
and so is trying to buy a gun, I think
that they would say, I don't know if that's such
a good idea. My second idea was you do like

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a long form like thirty minute interview, as if like
it's a job interview, where basically the gun company has
to make sure that you're of mental health and you
know how to operate, load, unload, properly use said firearm
that you're intending to buy.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Now I've been already.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
There's a handful of people are coming after me for
even suggesting such things. But again, I'm not saying we
should do that. I think both of those are pretty
clear infringements on the First Amendment, and I'm not here
to tell you sorry the second Amendment. But it's just
me thinking out loud because this person had no reason
not to be not to have the opportunity to own

(23:44):
firearm based on their situation. Except the fact that they
were transgender and maybe a few random Facebook posts, there
was nothing that was overtly obvious that they were this
type of person.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
When they purchased these firearms.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
So what do you think about those ideas or what
we could do maybe next time their ideas.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Look, you're having this conversation with buddy across the table,
like a lot of people do in the way because
something like this. The difference here is that you've got
a live microphone in your face and you already said like, yeah,
I don't think we can do this, because the Second
Amendment doesn't say you have the right to own a
you know, to bear arms if your friends and families

(24:26):
say it's all right, and you do an interview with
you and we think that. So what you're doing right
now is you're having that conversation. You're doing it in
a much more rational way than those that say there
should be no guns, or everyone should have guns, or
that type of person should never What you're what the

(24:48):
Second Amendment and all these these things are talking about
is whether or not the government can tell you through
some of the ways that you're talking about, whether or
not you should be able to carry through a constitutional right. Now,
that is obviously a very very difficult conversation to have,
but parenting is hard. Sometimes parenting doesn't stop when well,

(25:11):
you turned eighteen, I guess you're going off to college.
You're a man now. Or maybe that's not the right
phrasing to use in this instance, but hey, you're eighteen,
you're an adult now, and you're off on your own.
Hey call when you get there, and you don't do
any more parenting. You can't convince me. And now we're
hearing from his friends when he was a kid that said, yeah,

(25:36):
there are a lot of things that we saw as
red flags when he was a kid. We were kids.
Yeah this guy was not normal. So yeah, we see
those now as red flags. But what are we supposed
to do. We're kids. He's just kind of weird and
doing his own thing. Well, his parents knew this too,
they did, and they should be allowed to not step

(25:59):
in and tell someone don't sell him or whatever. But
you go over and go hey son, or hey man, hey,
hey kid, how's it going. And if suddenly you've got
suddenly a cash, a weapons there and note books and
all the rest of this stuff going around, that's when
that's when parents need to do some parenting. This is

(26:20):
if you know you're raising someone who's gonna go out
and potentially and do something violent like this, you're the
first line of defense. Those kids were failed because some
parent didn't care enough or felt like, hey, my hands
are tied. You know, twenty three, What am I supposed
to do?

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Well?

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Something? You gotta do something.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
But I again, I have to just lean on my
own experience because I yes, they would absolutely know, but
it's gonna sound terrible. I was friends in roommates with
a guy who in college I met him. He's pretty
smart and he liked to do a lot of the
same things I like to do, bowling, played basketball together,
stuff like that, But there was absolutely some social skills

(27:03):
that were missing big time. Him and his brother nice
enough people, and his parents were both very successful. They
had a very nice home, had both good jobs, and
they were well off. But something in the childhood kind
of enabled these two to not have jobs or the

(27:24):
need to really work for anything or toward anything. Then
they were kind of allowed to just do whatever they wanted.
So when it got to college, especially the guy that
I roomed with, he never wanted to do the homework.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
He never wanted to go to class.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
He wasn't really interested in doing anything other than the
stuff he liked to do, whether it's basketball or video.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Games or bowling or whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
And he couldn't make he didn't really have a chance
to make many friends because he just was so socially awkward. Now,
he wasn't socially awkward in the way that this person
ended up being. But if you're a parent, do you know, like,
do you see that in your kid?

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah? You should well, and as you as the room.
But if he if everything you said there, I get
if he'd brought in three weapons into the dorm room, Yeah,
I just bought a handgun, a rifle and a shotgun. Yeah,
I thought it'd be fun. You know, then what you know,
there are people in this person's life who saw all

(28:22):
of this happening and did nothing. Now, if I'm the
gun seller and here comes someone in here who looks crazy,
this sorry, this guy looked crazy, and I know I'm
not allowed to say, yeah, I'm not going to sell
you a gun. I just you look crazy. You work

(28:42):
at a cannabis dispensary. You're wanting to buy three guns
when you've never purchased one before. If I'm the gun seller,
I'm like, you know what, my darn computer won't work. Shoot,
sorry you tried someone else, And then I'm not given
this person guns. But I know that's horrible for me

(29:04):
to say and all that, but.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
I'm getting attacked for even mentioning that somebody should just
be be called that this person, like, just alert somebody.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
There's no evidence this person was living with anyone.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
So if that, if this guy goes and he buys
three guns legally and lawfully, as far as the background
check goes, as far as he has not been he
has no criminal record, there is absolutely nothing on him
that prevents him from buying these three guns. And if
he just has them, he puts them in his car
because they come and you know, you can have them
in cases when you're leaving, people aren't seeing and you're

(29:38):
leaving a gun store, So I mean, of course you're
going to be taking a gun from outside the store
into your car and then from your car to where
you're living. If you're living by yourself, nobody will see
that until the time that you decide to use it.
So I'm not even so sure that anybody knew that
he had done this.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
You know why this guy has no criminal record, right
because he is a coward. He never had the guts
to stand up to another man and punch a guy.
He never had the guts to say, you know what,
I want to go steal that, I'm gonna go do it.
This guy is a coward. Look at who he went
after yesterday. Yeah, and the firepower he used to go

(30:13):
after defenseless innocent children. I got a a church full
of defenseless innocent children and he still took three guns
and fired one hundred and seventy shots. This guy is
a coward.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
I agree, although I don't have a criminal record either,
and I wouldn't say that I'm a.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, but you've you've stood up to people and you'd
do it. I mean, if somebody decided that they wanted to.
I'm This guy had a list of grievances. This guy
was angry. This had a guy had all kinds of
ideas and couldn't act out on any of them because
he was afraid that some other adults, some other twenty
three year old guy would say, Hey, I don't like

(30:54):
what you're saying. If you keep saying, I'm gonna punch
you in the face. This guy didn't want to get hit.
This guy didn't want to have anyone argue with him.
This guy was a coward, and he.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Probably didn't even he wasn't around people that much because
he was so socially outcast in different ways. We can
talk about that and part of that moving forward three
forty eight. We'll have more coming up on news radio
eleven ten kfab. I want to finish this when we
can stop for the day. It's you know, just touch
on him maybe in the afternoon, but we've got a

(31:24):
lot more information.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
We've talked through it.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
This is the kind of conversation This makes it difficult
for me to do my job because I'm trying to
do things in his rational and is open and his
explanatory of a way that I can and I use
hypotheticals a lot, and I try to see things from
different angles and trying to come up with solutions and
a problem that we have not come up with a
good solution for yet, and me suggesting that you should

(31:47):
have to have an interview to purchase firearm. At Adam,
who's a good listener and listens a lot, he's no
longer listening today he's already told me. But he says,
I think you should have a thirty an interview to
exercise your first amendment to prove you're not a moron
before you can blast off your mouth that thousands of people,
maybe we should quit telling them mentally compromise and half

(32:09):
the populations trying to eliminate them from society. Where do
you think this man's hate came from. Do you think
it was the church or do you think it was
from activist telling him how much the church hates him.
Nobody said it like this, By the way, on this show,
nobody blamed anybody for anything. We were just talking about
the fact that the only red flag was that this
guy was transgender trying.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
To buy a gun. Three guns.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Adam continued to said, the crazy, hate filled guy could
have used a car and ran people over, or a
knife and sliced him up, or a bat or a
pipe wrench. You can keep taking tools away, but you
can't make laws to take away the desire. And then
he told me he's not going to listen today because
I've made him angry. Okay, well, Adam, here's why I
talked the way that I do, and I bring things
up the way that I do. Number One, this is

(32:54):
talk radio, man. I exist literally for us to think
and to be entertained, you and me both. And this
is a huge conversation that we're having, and I get
the chance for four hours every day to talk to
you about it. Sure, we're gonna have ideas and we're
gonna share them. I'm not gonna demean anybody for their ideas.
I never do.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
You don't have to like my ideas, but it's pretty
clear you don't even want to have a rational conversation
about it. Number two, Yeah, you're right. Could have bought
a car ran people over. You know how many You
know how hard it is to rent a car. This
guy wouldn't be able to if you wanted to rent
a vehicle, you had to be twenty five years old
to be able to rent a car. You know how
hard it is to buy a car. It's not very

(33:37):
hard at all. You know what, I think we should
do better about who's driving vehicles. You know how many
people without license or with suspended license, or can't speak
English or read the signs on the roadway or driving
on our roadways potentially killing people all the time. You
would think at some point maybe we would take that
more seriously too.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
We don't you.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Want to know something else? Yeah, a knife or a
bat or a pipe wrench? How would he have done
that from outside of the church. Just throwing that out
there too. I'm not here to take away guns. I'm
not here to say it should be harder to buy guns.
I'm just saying there was no red flight for this
person to not get guns. So what's the answer. Up,
crazy guy got guns. He just decided to shoot kids.

(34:18):
Nothing we could do. Well, if that's the way that
you're thinking about this, I really really have big concerns
about your priorities in life, because there's always something we
can do, even if it is just talking about ideas.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
That's all this is. It's an open form to talk
about ideas.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
And if that makes you angry enough to where you
don't want to be a part of the conversation anymore.
And audios, man, enjoy the football game tonight. Got more
coming up, two more hours and plenty of football talk
coming up. We're gonna have some fun here on news
Radio eleven ten KFAB. You want to know something I
told you Adam, My friend Adam was not listening anymore. Yeah,
he's re emailed and he said he is still listening,
so we haven't.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Scared out him away. Adam, love you man, Thanks for listen.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
You guys got a calm down.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Sorry, I just got defensive because you know, I'm trying
to just be a good guy over here.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
I'm just trying to talk because that's my job, right.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Although you guys want the same thing, you want you
want innocent people to be safe. You both want the
same thing. Don't make enemies out of friends. Don't start
yelling at each other. Sorry, I'm here to keep the peace.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Sorry,