Friday, July 18, Hour 1

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera on
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
They good afternoon, everybody.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Welcome to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports
fourteen fifty of Steve Rivera in today with me. It's Friday,
so that means Jacob Zaliz is here with them.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
All right, Steve, I'm impressed to watch you running this
board and that we're on the air and every day.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
You're not looking at anything, because I was across from
you and right now is running it.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
So do we know that we're on I hope, So,
I hope. So we're good. Raised on his way, he
went to go see the first half.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Of the FC two sons.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
So our guests are time. When he left YT, yeah,
so we'll get more of an update down the road.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
We had.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
We had Jonathan yesterday, Prolman. It was a good show.
I talked about all this going on today in the weekend.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
What's going on with you? You're you're a busy dude.
I'm a busy dude. Now, Steve, you're officially back on
the clock.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
I'm running media for the Tucson Sugar Sculls and the
Arizona Rattlers. And there we're here towards the end of
the season. Uh, and a lot going on. Did you
you went in to Phoenix last I went to Phoenix
last week for the Rattlers. That was a great game,
great atmosphere. There were ninety five hundred people there. I
mean they more or less fill the lower bowl of
the of the Glendale Arena.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
It was a great game.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
They were they were losing all the way and then
they pulled it out in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
They had a great goal line. Standard was a fun game.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
So ninety five hundred, I'm not expecting that from Tucson.
But but but we talk about this all the time,
especially when it comes to this.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Now you're in the now, you're in the building. Right.
If Arizona brought in three possible.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Or do they three thousand, they get twenty five hundred, Okay,
So that's okay, it's okay.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
They need to do better.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
You know that.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
You want to get thirty five hundred and four thousand
at the arena. The arena holds seven. So if you're
if you're if you if you look half full, right,
you know, at an indoor football game.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
You're good. You know you look good.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, I thought I didn't know seven thousand, okay, I
that was maybe five and a half, no whole seven. Okay,
So let me ask you, you know, the Rattlers who
have been very good throughout the years, is it is
it reputation and that they're good and they.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Win and they went okay, you know, they got the
win last week, got them into the playoffs. Sixteen straight
years in the playoffs, all of those under Kevin guy.
Five five championships. Uh, you know, they win, they're entertaining. Uh,
they have a great uh what's right, It's just a
great amos atmosphere. You know, they do a lot of

(02:43):
cool stuff, you know, from cheerleaders to promos to music.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
That Arizona these guys that these guys are trying to.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Do, they're trying to replicate.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Okay, you know, but you need some butts in seats
to help create that atmosphere. And so you know, it's
it's you know, this is this is what there's sixth season.
You know, it's kind of like this community still doesn't know.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Them very well.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Six season minus the COVID.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Minus the COVID, not not kind of COVID year, right,
because they started in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
You and I talk about this.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
We talked about this with with Blake, and now it's
your job to get that word out in a climate
where there's no there's people leave this town. Yeah, a
lot of people are gone. Yeah, Now it's your job.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
To bring them to get them to at least come
and check it out. And and and again. I think
I brought this up last time we talked about this.
You know, the the franchise had a ton of momentum
after that first season, you know, got to the playoffs,
had a fun year or but you know, people came
to the games and look, I get it there. You know,
there were there were a lot of you know, we
got a lot of people there by, you know, handing

(03:49):
out tickets and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
But there were people there and it was exciting.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
We were headed for a great year ticket wise as
we're getting ready to start the season.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
By that time, I was president of the team.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
You know, we we had we were going to do
a red out for the first game because I told Kevin,
I like, keV, I know you're from Phoenix and stuff
like that, but you do a red out and you
put these guys in red uniforms.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
You're going to get the town there.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
And we were selling tickets, single game tickets to the
first game, and we had a ton of tickets sold
and then it all went could put.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
So so are you no? I know it's you're still
fresh again. Back you're coming up with ideas. Yeah, yea da.
And once you you're talking about butts in the seats,
So butts in the seats buy popcorn, they buy beverages.
The money goes to the sugar scolls, at least partially partially.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
I guess I shouldn't say that because I'm not one
hundred percent sure because it's you know, it's a TCC venue.
I don't know if they get all the concessions or
if there's a percentage or.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
With I don't know what that is. Wass swing benefits right,
even yes, somebody's getting that.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
So what about like ticket I'm just throwing spitballing, right,
Uh tickets you know, buy one by two, get one.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
That's all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Like for instance, okay, they got a promo this week,
all right, they got a partnership with TUSD where if
you bring a new backpack to the game.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
You can get two ten dollars tickets to the game.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, you know, so you know, you donate a backpack,
get cheap tickets and come to the game. And it's
sort of a back to school TUSD supported thing that
they put out on social media. We put it out
on all our media, our media heading into the game,
and so you know, we hope people respond to that.
And you know, not only do we get some backpacks,
but we'll get some people who come to there. Of course,

(05:23):
the last game, it's a fan appreciation night too. They're
giving away a thousand hats to kids, all kinds of
stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
And it's the last home game.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
And and and we'll talk to you know, we're gonna
talk to Billy, back to the head coach in a minute.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
They're still in the playoff hunt. It's not out.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
It's not unreasonable to think that they can't get in
the playoffs. I get it. Bear is the first first
place team. They got to beat them. Okay, is this weekend.
That's tomorrow's game. They beat Bay Area. All they gotta
do is beat Vegas and they're in next week if
they uh, But Vegas has to lose tomorrow to Northern Arizona,
who just beat Tucson. So there's things that it's it's
it's not out of the.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Realm of possibility.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
They sure that even though with a tough record they're
six and eight overall, they can.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Still get in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
And we talk about this, you know, a nauseam with
the Sugar Skulls, the road Runners, uh other other Arizona. Yeah, yeah,
you gotta win, you gotta win, butts in the seats. Yeah,
so we'll see what happens. And then they have the
big game that you'll he'll be right too. So that's
in August.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
National Championship Game.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
League Championship Game is here for three years and the
first one is August twenty third.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, okay, we'll talk more about that with coach. Yeah,
coach back here in a second. Welcome home. Hey, hey,
all right.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
You guys.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Good. What was the score? It was tied when I left?
How was it? It was good?

Speaker 4 (06:36):
It was.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
There was like probably like fifteen people in there. But
it's a small bar anyways, Oh it's kind of a smaller.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
No, no, no, but the game, the game.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
The game was good, I mean kind of back and forth.
It looked like Tucson was getting the pressure on right
when I was like heading out.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
But okay, okay, you see your guy there, yeah, Jonathan, Yeah, yeah,
he was there.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, for some reason he liked you. I don't know
what the hell soccer man. He must he must not know.
Raise the Giants fan. That's actually probably.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
You'll be moving to this side at the break. Yes, okay, okay,
I forgot. It's how long it's been doing this.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I forgot. I was impressed.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
We got the thing going. Man, we're on the and everything.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
That memory memory, Where are you?

Speaker 7 (07:19):
Ray?

Speaker 4 (07:19):
I'm just going to tell you Ray at the other
at the other studio, he didn't touch anything.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
There's too many.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
He didn't get near the board. No, it was the
board a lot bigger than this one.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
It was different. It was a little different.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
It was a little a lot the same, but not
as advanced technologically, you know what, you know, but it
was it was it was similar, but this is, you know,
way more.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Dude, Dude, if I'm not going to have to mow
my lawn and I got Jake to mow the lawn,
I ain't mowing the lawn. I'm like that was something
just what's not there.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
We're calling him sick, and he just called in a
Mexican to come and do the work for him. That's
all he did.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
He happens happens around all the time.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
All that not as much. Yeah, there's a lot fewer
of us around to do that.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
But yeah, yeah, Jay said that.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Send letters to Jay and not me. Just bought the analogy.
That's all so good, Good to see you again, Thank you, Ready,
thank you Jay. We'll talk more. Shooter skulls, right, and
then at the four seventeen, the guy you know, Jason Appadaca,
an old friend.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Jason was the head coach at Saint Gregory when my
son was playing there, so I had a lot of
experience with Jason.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Then he moved on had He's just been in.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
High school basketball forever, right, He was a young He
was a pretty young guy when he was doing Saint Gregory.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
So he didn't have hair back then either.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Twenty years ago more than that probably no, Adam Well,
I graduated in twenty eleven, so yeah, yeah, for fifteen
fifteen years ago. And then you know he's had job.
He's been at Sienaga, he's been at CDO. He just
got the Catalen Foothills job today. I saw it in
fifteen minutes later, we're getting him on the show, right,
did you get him?

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Call him? And it was good?

Speaker 4 (09:00):
But you know, he I mean, he's a guy who's
been around here for a long time.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah. Is he a Tucson guys?

Speaker 5 (09:05):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
I'm pretty sure he knows the history. I guess what, Well,
we'll ask him where he went to high schools. I'm
pretty sure he's here. But he's been coaching around here
for forever. And uh, he's probably still a young guy.
I bet you he's.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
Late forties maybe at the most.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
So you said a young guy, right, No, no, no, no,
I'm just saying that's how.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Old we are, young guys. Of this dude as a
child over here.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
That's you know, he's a he's a child.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
You know what.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
We'll just kind of talk to him about.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Okay, do you see what's going on out there?

Speaker 3 (09:39):
I'm curious because I'll ask you this and I don't
want to answer. No, the best high school players you
saw in your time that you saw, you probably didn't
see very many except for the time your son played,
and then it was at that level, you know, But
did you see Sean.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
I saw Sean play one time, Okay, see that he's
and he stood out.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
Yeah, you know I saw a Fat Lever.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Okay, So those two those very obvious.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
If you ask me the best high school players, I'll
just say that I'll put those two at the top
of the list. There's been, you know, some other good ones,
but those two I think they stand out.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, sure, one and two one and two and.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
One one into in either order, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Right, uh.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
And then you have the other guys, the guys in
the recent twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, and I I just lost the lefties.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah, you know, Dron Johnson was really good.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
You know, he played at the UY who went to
Paul who went to the poem god Maryland de Paul Harveyers.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Probably listening is gonna take well Bryce Cotton Cotton. Yeah,
And there's been a.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Couple of few, but nobody stands out more than than
than Fat Lever and Sean. I mean they were in
the NBA, both had long NBA careers.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Day Fat Day File.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Day File was really good the U Tip, Yeah, but
he was kind of big, tall, lanky, slow guy.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, yeah, Tip. There was a Brian Young.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
It was a seven footer, but you don't talk about
in the seventies seeing a seven footer in high school
at Arizona and he and he played. He was on
the Ben Lindsay team. Then his brother Mark Young also
played at Arizona. I think Harvey Thompson, Harvey Thompson was here,
he played under he played, uh. I think he was
on the on the on the it was the Yeah,

(11:20):
he was on the Ben Lindsay team and then played
for Lute. A couple of others. There was a kid
named Gary Lewis that played at Yes High School. Yes,
I know who like average thirty a game in his
senior year and I think won them a state champion town.
I think he's a Facebook. Yeah, he's a guy. I
remember him because he went to my high school and
I you know, I followed him a little bit. Body

(11:41):
he played, He Peabody played, But I do know the
Peabody was a great player.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
He was a good coach. Yeah, Yeah, he won a lot.
He won, you know, he coached at Ironwood Ridge and.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, but he played. They won because he played for
what's his name McConnell.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Oh, and there was and there was a Dick McConnell's
kid Rick. You know that was a really good player
back at so our high school.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Okay, so we'll kind of reminiscent and go through that
lane here. When we talked to him at that four seventeen.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
He told me not to answer the question. Then I did.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, well, see he never listens to Friday's got it.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Hey, I listen, but I don't hear. There's a difference.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right. When he's nodding
his head, he's just pretending to listen. She can tell
now she goes, you're not listening, are you?

Speaker 4 (12:27):
I said, yeah, what did I just say?

Speaker 3 (12:30):
I didn't know this is going to be a test
when you're married. It's always a test. Okay, I remember
you know what?

Speaker 1 (12:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
I solved that problem. Don't get married, dude.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
I passed the test for thirty five years, man, Yeah,
thirty five.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
She's just called about it now.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
We did have a conversation today because have you you've
seen this.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
The cold plate thing? Oh?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, has so before.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
I'm just flipping on Twitter or Facebook or whatever, and
sobody posted a photo of you know, with kind of
with that that round circle background and something like that
and it's Freddy Freeman and Mookie Bets hugging each other,
and said, Freddy, Freddy Freeman and Mookie Bets at the
Coldplate concert. So I would have showed it to my wife.
And then she was like, I like that. I thought

(13:18):
she got a little you know, wishful thinking right there.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
And I said my sister was there, and I said.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I, Oh. She was saying, yeah, yeah, or Freddy. She likes,
she likes.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
I've known about her Mookie Bets thing. Okay, there's a
there's a Mookie Bets bobble head on our fireplace. Okay,
because of her, all right, she wants her because of her.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Oh you don't know that she's leaving Jay for a
couple of dude.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
There's about three or four dudes. So she would leave
me for like right now, is it a no no
Dodge bubblehead? Dodger bubblehead?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
And well that would be better.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
She's got she's got a Mookie Bets t shirt uh
that she wears all the time.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
She loves me.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
He comes up, he comes up to bats, she gets pissed.
And if I don't her movies at the Plate. Wow, Okay,
you didn't tell me he was giddy. Okay, he's at
the play so but now I find out she's got
it for Freddy too. Man, I just found that out
today and another one should kick me out. For Justin Turner,
I'm like, he's hairy and gross.

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Breaking down all the xs at olls. This is I
on the Ball with Steve Rivera on blox sportsporteen fifty eight.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Hey, welcome back to I'm the ball here on Fox
Sports fourteen fifty.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
I'm Steve Rivera.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
In today with me is Jakin's ass and now on
the phone, we have coach back from the Sugar School.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Coach, how are you doing?

Speaker 15 (19:51):
I'm doing good? How are you get to doing?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
We're good, coach.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Uh, glad to be part of the organization.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Now I'm glad to have you on the show too,
because you guys got a big game tomorrow. Let's just
first go into that the mindset for this game. You know,
you still got a playoff shot. Things have to happen,
but you still got that hanging in front of you.
How do you use that as a coach to get
these guys, you know, fired up and ready to go.

Speaker 15 (20:15):
Well, I just told them, we put ourselves in this position.
We got to take care of our game. We don't
win our game, it doesn't matter whenny of their games happen.

Speaker 7 (20:21):
So you know we have to we have to win
Saturday and have a Vegas loss Saturday so that our
game in Vegas is for all the marvels.

Speaker 15 (20:28):
But you don't take care of a Air the number
one team in the league, and then we're not going
to get that opportunity in Vegas.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
So how would you not rate the season because you're
in the hunt, but you know it's been good and
then not so good, but good.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
You guys are moving along.

Speaker 7 (20:45):
Yeah. Yeah, we've just been inconsistent.

Speaker 15 (20:46):
You know, we had some great games, we played well,
and then we'd have some inconsistent games where we just
won either offense or defense just couldn't get it going or.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
It is a disappoint disappointing part of the year.

Speaker 15 (20:59):
But for the most part of our guys have battled
through injuries, and we lost two quarterbacks in camp, and
Jorge Randon came in and learned the offense and has
done a great job leading us. Our guys started catching stride.
And I just, you know, just disappointed loss two.

Speaker 7 (21:15):
Losses that Elier take me, the Vegas loss.

Speaker 15 (21:17):
At home and the San Diego loss at home. Uh,
and then last week's loss, and just those.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
Three right there.

Speaker 15 (21:22):
He kind of just set aside that we get those
we're supposed to win. We're already clinched the playoff spot.

Speaker 7 (21:28):
Right.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Well, talk a little bit about Jargey because as you said,
he's come along and you know, done some things. He's
a big guy. I got to got to meet him yesterday.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
He's a he's a.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Big guy and I you tend to see kind of
the lankier but tall, tall guys who can run around
a lot.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
What does what does.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
Horrorgete do for for you guys? Uh? You know at
that position.

Speaker 15 (21:50):
I mean, he's been an elite quarterback his entire career
from high school to college at Presno State. He's got
he's got major arm talent. He's a kid that that
should get an opportunity outside somewhere because of the fact
that he can put a ball you know where he
needed to put it. You know, he's got a short,
quick arm release. But he's just been an easy going,

(22:11):
laid back lear for us. You know, we we're gonna
lean on his shoulders this week or tomorrow for this
game against Bay Area, and you know, I got got
a good things they don't play pretty well and keep
us going.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
I remember talking to you coach with Jay maybe two
years ago. I think you first came on board before
you even played. How has it gone here for last
year plus?

Speaker 7 (22:31):
It's going well.

Speaker 15 (22:32):
We've We've gotten we've gotten more support. We got a
great fan club. Our our our fan club, our fan group,
our booster clubs has supported our guys, and uh, it
kind of takes some and take them on as some
foster kids, you know, take care of him as the
season goes on. If they neednything, they called him. So
that morale boosts the players up, it keeps them going.

(22:52):
Our facilities are are housing, you know, second to none.
You know, it's just the fact that you know, we
are in the West West Division and there are some
teams in the West Division that don't play by the rules,
and so when you're competing for players in certain situations
and somebody offers something more than you can offer, it's
kind of hard to compete in that situation. So until
the league gets it under wraps and under control, you know,

(23:14):
we're going to keep keep calling our way to the top.

Speaker 7 (23:17):
But we've taken the steps we needed to take the
last two years.

Speaker 15 (23:20):
And you know, our ownership does a great job taking
care of us, Mister and missus, Guy and Ali. The
ownership group we have is has made sure we've been
in position to be successful. And you know, we just
got to get over the hump during his playoff run
and then going into next year.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
So we had one of your players the offensive blindment.
I can't remember his name. A pretty good player, and
I joked with him because you guys knocked off Kevin
is it once or twice twice? So I thought you
were gonna put Kevin in retirement or something because because
of how years you know, which are you know, you know,
temper him, temper him a little bit.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
How was How were those games for you?

Speaker 4 (24:00):
They were?

Speaker 7 (24:00):
They were good?

Speaker 15 (24:00):
I mean, you know, coach guys the same whether he
wins or lose us. You know, he's he's still a
part of the Tucson ownership.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
He's still the.

Speaker 15 (24:08):
Head coach president of the Arizona Rattlers, you know, so
he's kind of torn both ways when those games are played.
But at the same time, when we're on the field,
he's going to win, you know, he's and we played
at home, you know, the first one we had him,
he made a challenge call on the field and I
looked everybody and kind of raised my arms like, come on,
don't challenge it, you know.

Speaker 7 (24:25):
But his competitive nature wanted to win the game.

Speaker 15 (24:27):
That's his job is to win with the Rattlers. But
at the end of the game, when it when it's
all said and done, the hands are shake and it's
it's business as usual. But but he's intense.

Speaker 7 (24:38):
He's intense, you know.

Speaker 15 (24:40):
Like I said, they've helped us out a lot this season,
ownership wise, and so we're thankful for that.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Oh, coach, coach back, you ain't coming back next week.
Just happens a kid.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
That was a joke.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
He did not have been delivered that way.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
But yeah, what as we expect tomorrow? What's what's the
Bay Area? What what do they do? Why are they
the best team in the league.

Speaker 7 (25:08):
Well, I don't want to get fined, so I'm not
going to say.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
But what they do on the field, well is.

Speaker 15 (25:14):
They got a great player Number two, Tomas to me
the league MVP. They got a really good quarterback in
Josh Josh Jones from UNC Pembrooke and North Carolina. Uh,
the kid can spend. He's like a Roethlisberger Josh Allen
sized kid. He can run it, you can throw it.
So we got to stop those two players right there.
They got to receive every boy the name of Chambers.

(25:34):
They got the best offensive line money can buy, the
best defensive line money can buy. You know, So that's
where you're at. You know, we're we're two twenty five
a game.

Speaker 7 (25:41):
And uh, you know, I hear you. I can't speak
on that.

Speaker 15 (25:45):
Yeah, here's what Yeah, but I think where you go,
David vers Goliath, David Goliath is that way? We got
a sling shot in a rock.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
So tell me this is like the n Il of college.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
It sounds like it sounds like it so so Billy,
you've been doing this.

Speaker 16 (26:00):
It's way worse.

Speaker 15 (26:02):
Document the league just ain't doing anything about it.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Bill, You've been you've been doing this a while, and
you've got you've got some championships in your in your
background and stuff like that. What keeps you going? Uh,
doing indoor football? And then why Tucson? Why why did
Tucson attract you?

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Well?

Speaker 15 (26:22):
I enjoy this game because you know, you're getting guys
who's either been to the next level, are trying to
get back to that next level. And uh, you know,
it's it's more than coaching, it's being a mentor. You know,
we get twenty five to thirty grown men each year
to come in and you know, you gold relationships with them.
You know, you get to coach them in a different game.
They've never played this game before, some of them, and

(26:42):
so it's a different teaching tools, you know, the spacing,
and so it's just the competitive nature as a coach
from a player to a coach, and then.

Speaker 7 (26:49):
Just being around grown men that.

Speaker 15 (26:52):
That made need some direction. That that also just made
that opportunity to get that next level shot, you know.
And it's it's it's it's a blast to do. You
know what keeps me going is you know, my my
two young sons enjoy it. You know, they love seeing it,
love being around it. They get fired up talking about it.

Speaker 16 (27:10):
I got caught it.

Speaker 15 (27:11):
My youngest son called me at halftime of the San
Antonio game two weeks ago and was watching it like
dad or beating him.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
It's great, you.

Speaker 15 (27:17):
Know, and ask what number of a certain player was
he wanted to wanted to watch.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
But Tucson, you know when I when.

Speaker 15 (27:22):
I, you know, coach guy came to me at the
right time and uh in twenty twenty three and we
talked and two son just happened to come open, and
you know it was a you know, oh, Kevin and Kathy,
A big thing of gratitude for for reaching out to
me at that time, and it was it was a
low time in my life and uh, you know, we
got made at work, and we just got to make

(27:43):
it work on the field, you know. And I'm not
I don't do this to come out here just to coach.
You know, sixteen games, only the second time in my
career we have you know, we're on the outside of
the playoffs looking in. You know, we we've normally putched
playoffs around week you know, eight or nine. Yeah, but
these last two seasons has been you know, the adversity struck.
And so I think that for me, these have been

(28:05):
the most challenging because we get to coach. You know,
you you don't get the best players. I should per
se that money come by.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
You know, you have to coach. You have to build.
The first year we didn't.

Speaker 15 (28:16):
We didn't build the chemistry, you know, I made too
many moves and during the season didn't have the quarterback
receiver chemistry we needed.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
We struggled.

Speaker 15 (28:23):
Their defense played well this year, you know, we we
tried to do that with the defense. They just didn't
gain the chemistry and the secondary yet. But again, we're
right there on the cusp of you know, needing an
active guide to happen for us, which I think can
get done. We're living pretty good. But once it happens
and we're gonna we're gonna.

Speaker 7 (28:42):
Make that shop.

Speaker 15 (28:43):
But you know, Tucson, for me, it was a perfect fit.
I came into town, you know, didn't realize it. University
of Arizona was here, you know, and it was actually
a city because being from the East Coast, you don't
look at Tucson.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
You think of Tombstone. You know, it's the movie Tombstone.

Speaker 7 (28:57):
That's all I knew of Arizona. And so you get
to two sounds like, wow, this is a real city.

Speaker 15 (29:02):
It's nice, it's you know, perfect, and it just fell
in love it when I came out to it, and
you know, it's it's it's my second home.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Cool.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
I'm glad. I'm glad you. I'm glad you find out
about it.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
I mean we've been it's a two hundred and fiftieth
birthday this year, so we've been around a little while.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Let me let me, let me ask you because giographies
you started to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
But you know, we know that that the Indoor Football
League is kind of a transient league. You get different
guys every year, just rosters turnover. Guys go different places,
or they move or they quit or whatever. But you
know you also mentioned though that you feel like there
needs to be some continuity, right, I mean how do
you build that and how do you how do you
get that going when it is such a transient league.

Speaker 15 (29:45):
Well, you just got to take care of your players.
You know, when you get you know, five or six
players that you want to build your your team around.
You know that the teams I've coached, I had a
handful of players Charles McCollum, Jordan Jolly, Timeline, laughing house
of Walter Thomas. I can name off are core guys
that that's traveling me and one championships with me. But
you have to get those core guys that that you
find have the same value, same mindset, and then we

(30:08):
bring guys in that that that kind of jael.

Speaker 7 (30:10):
To those guys. Same thing with the coaching staff. The
coaching staff has to jail.

Speaker 15 (30:13):
So that that's what makes these teams different. When you
have a receiver, quarterback continuity. You know, the coaching staff
have been together for a while. Those those are the
teams that are winning games right now. You know coach
guys had his staff together for a while that they've
got a lot of vets.

Speaker 7 (30:28):
Back, Maddie Powell.

Speaker 15 (30:30):
You know, they're they're they're players that have been together
for a while.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
So that's what makes it.

Speaker 15 (30:35):
You know, feasible to pain a championship unless you go
into a new league and you spend an X amount
of money. You're not supposed to spend and go buy
every player you can find, like all but he did
the a F one this past season the different league.
You know, the teams buy championships. They but yeah, at
the same time, you just have to have a core

(30:56):
group of guys that I trust you as a coach,
that want to play for you as a coach, that
you believe in you as a coach, and then you
build players around those guys and that's that's how championships
are wont in.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Fact again, back to the first time we met you
on the on the on the show, we found out
at least I thought you were very intense, very tell
you know a football coach, right, So, what type of
player is good for you?

Speaker 2 (31:19):
You know, who could play for you?

Speaker 15 (31:22):
Well, I'm not I'm not a participation trophy type of guy,
you know, So I'm not very good at patting people.

Speaker 7 (31:29):
On the button. Tell him it's going to be okay.

Speaker 15 (31:31):
I'm I'm a guy that I need guys that are
going to be understanding if if if I cuss, you
can cuss. Type of guy I want to want, the
tough love type guys that's going to go out there
and give you everything you got. We're gonna we can
butt heads during the game, but we can lay back
and laugh and sit back and laugh and talk about
it over film the next day.

Speaker 7 (31:49):
I just need football players, you know, like Drew Dixon's
a football player.

Speaker 15 (31:53):
Jam Williams is a football player, Alfondo Taylor a football player,
uh Kirk or Kostani and on Coco he's a football
player for us. Just guys that just understand that they
may need to play offense, made to play defense, Trip
Harrington football player Ory Raino. I can name off a
bunch of guys we got this year that that I'm
going to try to sign back to get here to

(32:15):
be our core for next season. But that and they're
the type we need that, you know, the type of
guys that understand that you're gonna get yelled at. You know,
but when we stopped yelling at you is we need
to worry? Right then we stopped you knowing and stopped
correcting you. Then that means we've given up on you.
And so those type of players that understand that are
the type of players we want. I'm not going to
put a bottle of being a beankie out there and

(32:37):
and breastfeed you. You know you're gonna you're gonna earn it
for sure. But it's uh, you know, we just need
I'm I'm from the nineties.

Speaker 7 (32:46):
You know.

Speaker 15 (32:46):
I played football in the nineties, seventeth, nineteen seventy nine.
I was born eighties.

Speaker 16 (32:50):
Baby.

Speaker 15 (32:51):
It was a rough era, you know, I compared to
the Michael Jordan versus Lebron James era.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
So I love it. I love it.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
There you go, Well, coach, you guys got again, big
game tomorrow, a lot of promotional stuff going on, backpacks
and tickets and it's fan appreciation Day. Just what do
you want the fans to know and hear about your mindset?
And and how do you want the you know, what
do you want them to know that they're going to
see when they get there tomorrow.

Speaker 15 (33:23):
I just want them to know that this game is
for the all the marbles. You know, if we, you know,
can't beat Bay Area and we don't deserve to be
in the playoffs. That's going to be a team that's
going to be one of the finalist for sure in
our division. And so we really have a great game plan.
We got guys who are are out to prove something.

(33:43):
You know, we're we're going in there to be, you know,
to be the bully. So they're going to see hard
nose football. They're going to see us fight to the
very end, win or lose. Is going to give everything
we got. But at the at the same time, I
liked our practice this week. I liked our tempo, and
I like we have something approval chip on our shoulder.
Them put it out there with the fans on this

(34:04):
last home game this coming Saturday, So.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Jay, you cannt have to fill in it a time
place all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Six o five at the Tucson Arena, the boneyard that
we call it. Coach, I'm one of the ones that
helped name that. I hope you like it. But it's
a it's a it's a huge game. First thousand kids
get a hat. We're doing this backpack uh promotion where
you bring a new backpack for t us T you
can get a couple of tickets for ten bucks and uh,

(34:30):
and you should be able to see a good game.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
I fully expect to see see you guys have really
put it out there.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Coach.

Speaker 7 (34:36):
Yep, we're going to do our best.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Thanks Coach, appreciate your time. Good luck tomorrow. Always good
talking to you. I feel like I need to go
run and run some lapster.

Speaker 15 (34:47):
That was great talking you guys.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Thanks for having me on as well. Take care of coach.
Coach back from the Sugar Skulls.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
Am I promoting them too much? Because you don't be
in there?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Am I?

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Am I violating every every ethnic.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
But I do have some questions.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
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Speaker 2 (35:03):
So you're talking about money, Yeah, it happens.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
It's always been like that.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
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Speaker 3 (39:26):
Hey, welcome back to my on the Ball here on
Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, you're Jenkinsaw. You
got Ray handling the calls. We might get some some
just keep your eye up for it. So, I when
you said two twenty five, I'm thinking I thought everybody
got like four fifty, four hundred, five hundred.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
No, I thought it was two fifty.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
But it's a per game, Yeah, yeah, that's to make
per game and then they the league or the teams
are required to feed them and house them. Right, Okay,
so there's you know, yeah, there's only two thousand. You know,
it's there's a it's a I think I did the
math one time. Maybe I'm speaking out of turn, but
you know, for a half a month season, you know,

(40:05):
it's it's I think it's roughly you know, ten grand
or something like that. If you're you know, if you're
on the roster every week, you know, that's not it's
not horrible for an opportunity to try and you know, uh,
and you know, get to your dream. Right, I don't
know if that's the number. And maybe again speaking out
of turn, I hope I don't get in trouble for
saying that.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
But well, you didn't give it a figure, he did. Yeah, But.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
What it is is that is that there are rules
and you know, there's the league, there's a league standard
and some and and that's what it is.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
And yeah, and something like that. You know again room
and board.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
And when I say room and board, I'm talking about
just you know, you got to get them an apartment
and and you got to get them and you got
to feed them. You feed them. I think you got
to feed them the middle of the day and dinner
every day.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Okay, So that's where the sponsors come in, right right that.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
You know, you get sponsors to to to bring meals
to uh, you know, to to to practice and they're
you know, they they have practice and then there's a
meal waiting for them in the locker room.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Okay, we got a call.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Hello, you're on the aaron I in the ball who's
just Neil Neil? Holy crap, let's get started with this.
I told Jay it was Neil cass Giving.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Wait wait, wait, so you're telling me you don't think
Fat Lever was the best player on that team.

Speaker 16 (41:21):
No, he wasn't. He was not the best player on
his high school team. Best player in his high school
team was a guy named Jeff Moore.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
I remember the name, but I know I saw them play,
and I didn't think Jeff Moore was better than Fat Lever.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Maybe Okay, what do you.

Speaker 16 (41:35):
Was actually a better player?

Speaker 7 (41:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (41:37):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Did did Jeff Moore do anything after high school?

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (41:42):
You know where he went to college?

Speaker 7 (41:43):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 16 (41:44):
He played pro ball in Mexico for twenty years.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Wow.

Speaker 16 (41:47):
Okay, and that coaches down there still active in basketball.
But but he was you know, I mean, listen, the
high school kid. Sometimes it's great, sometimes they get trouble, Sure,
sometimes they dumb thing. But as far as strict talent
on that high school team, now, Fat ended up really
becoming a great player and a great from and unfortunately

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went to that crappy But but the strictly speaking, on
the high school team.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
So who's who's older Fat? If that's older than Sean?

Speaker 7 (42:22):
Right?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yes, for my luck?

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah, I played in the early eighties, so did did
Who's coaching at the time?

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Was it?

Speaker 7 (42:32):
No?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
No, no he here?

Speaker 16 (42:35):
I think Roland was coaching.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
That No here at u A was it? Was it?

Speaker 5 (42:39):
I think Fred was the coach when when Fat was
getting recruited.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
So he did he not just recruit?

Speaker 16 (42:45):
Oh who knows what's Fred? And he left bringing in
the players from out out of the East Coast and
but no, I and I don't know why he ended
up an issue, but but he did.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Okay, So so you threw some other guys out and
I one of the guys. I tried to remember Jimmering
wats the watch guys.

Speaker 16 (43:05):
The best player to me ever to come out of
twoth On Arizona was a guy named Hogy Simmons.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
Hogy Simmons, I've never heard the name.

Speaker 16 (43:14):
Hogy Simmons played for Tucson High their state championship ship
team in nineteen sixty nine, which again to me, and
I've reped high sle ball for a long time, but
to me, that team was the best team I've seen.
They had everything. The number two guard was a guy
named Delano Price, who was great in his own way.

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They had a six foot eleven and six foot nine
center and big forward. It was a great team. But
HOGI was five to five five six coun dunks standing
under the rim, shot the ball from behind his head.
No one could block it. Ended up going to Texas
A and I leading the country and scoring for two
or three years at the small college level. Then unfortunately

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got into some trouble and like I told Steve, he
led the penal system of storing from it.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
Well there he went to Oklahoma State.

Speaker 16 (44:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know he's uh. I
could tell stories about Okie Simmons because HOGI used to
hang out at the old Juish Community Center when it
was on Plumber or tooth On Boulevard Plumber and Broadway.

Speaker 7 (44:24):
Yeah, got ball with that.

Speaker 16 (44:26):
And he used to take me to parks in this
town where you know, literally i'd be the only white
guy at the park. It was so much fun hanging
with him.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
And so I will say, okay, if Neil Katz is saying.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
There's you know, that's why I asked, who believe him?

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Okay, because that Neil has been around one hundred years
following high school basketball.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
That said, because you've been around a long time, you're
talking about the old timers back in the day, guys old.

Speaker 16 (44:55):
So I talked about nick timers. I love Darrell Stslin
because he was a star for four years. He came
in at a freshman and was a star. Guys like
uh Sean Don was the star for two years stand
like you know, they rarely played on the varsity. It

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just wasn't what happened.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
So I got your name a seven, I saw got
your name. I didn't see much high school. I didn't
see much of it at all, right, but you know
reputations Jermaine Watts, you had the soggling kid of your
Joron Johnson, and I couldn't tell you many anymore.

Speaker 16 (45:32):
Well, again, there were guys the you know, the year
around two thousand and eight. Two thousand and nine to
me was one of the greatest years ever in two's
on basketball because you had Bryce Cotton of Tolgon, you
had the Lopez kid at Tueblow. You had guys at
amphi uh Dirks and Medford. You had the big guy

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at Sabino who played at the U of A for
a couple of years is now and it's on coaching
starter school. You know, I'm getting old. I forget the name,
but that's that eight oh nine twenty ten was was
two or three the best years of Tucson High school
basketball because you had so many guys that went on
to play collegeball.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Okay, Well, next time we have this conversation, I'm going
to speed dial you.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Are you still Are you still reffing?

Speaker 16 (46:26):
Well? You know, I've had some illnesses the last year
or two that have prevented me for the last year,
But I think I'm over the illness and I'm planning.
I don't want to quit refing on those terms. I
want to do on my own term. So I'm hoping
to rest this next year. But I'm going to be

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seventy three, so we'll see. I do want to tell
people there that in two weeks there's an event here
in Tucson that's absolutely huge, the Maccabi Game, the International mccaby. Right,
it is in twoth On, Arizona this year. Part of it,
I'm actually scheduling the officials for over one hundred and

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fifty basketball games. Uh. It's got flag, football, volleyball, softball, baseball, swimming,
all sorts of sports. And there's thousands of kids coming
to Twothund for this event.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
We had the we had one of the organizers maybe
about a month ago talk about it.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Probably haven't.

Speaker 16 (47:27):
Yeah, there's two weeks away and it's uh, yeah, it's
crunch time for them. I just left their offense. Yeah,
and uh there's a lot of stress going on about it.
But that's gonna be a great event. Yeah, a lot
of batball being played, so yeah, it'll put put on
the security is going to these very heavy bet Okay,
but yeah, it's it's I'm helping the Rough high school

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ball this year and we'll see. If not, I'll I'll
help train some new rests. And yeah, when it comes
to referees, we've got a really good crop of young
referees working, right, now, so that's not let me.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Let me ask you about that, because we talk about this,
mister Katz about refs. You know, given the grief that
you guys have been getting for years now, that that
hasn't swayed people, you know, you know, I don't.

Speaker 16 (48:12):
Descript No, it does, and it's worse than ever. Parents
are worse than ever. The kids behavior and coaches behavior,
with the exception of a few, is bad. Referees, you know,
part of what we're instructed to do is take care
of that call technicals, and unfortunately a lot of people don't.
But yeah, we get an eighteen nineteen twenty year old

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new referee who goes and does the freshman and JV
game and gets screamed and yelled at by people who
are clueless, and they don't last very long.

Speaker 20 (48:43):
Yeah, which is too bad. It's the best part time
job in the world for young people. They can make
more money refereeing doing something they like than going to
work at McDonald's. I mean, it's a great part time job.
It's a great thing to say active, and it's a
great group of people.

Speaker 16 (49:03):
You know, you're hanging out with people who love the
game of basketball. There's nothing like it. So anyone, yes,
anyone that wants to rest. You know, Steve, you got
my number, give it out anytime you want. I'll get
him involved.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
How much talk?

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, no, we have wants. Yeah,
Ray wants to know what do you pay?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
What?

Speaker 16 (49:25):
Let me let me put it this way. It's it's
well over thirty dollars an hour.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Okay, that's more than when you get here.

Speaker 6 (49:32):
Sure is about like about thirty dollars an hour.

Speaker 16 (49:36):
And there's no age lin And we've got we've got
guys refen Cleo Robinson. You know, yeah, I think he's
done reffing. I think he's done reffing finally at the
age of about seventy seven, seventy eight. Yeah, but we've
got guy we've got ten or twelve refs in their seventies.
It's still referee.

Speaker 17 (49:53):
So do you put him?

Speaker 3 (49:54):
They run very well, no, real quick, because we got
about a minute left. Do you put them through a routine?
If you're let's say, my boy here, Ray wants to
do it. He has no experience, right or you know
the game, but no experience. What does he have to
go through?

Speaker 16 (50:07):
Well, we we skitch. You signed up for high school ball.

Speaker 7 (50:09):
We put it through clinic.

Speaker 16 (50:11):
You missed the Flowing Wells camp that we do training
young guys doing games. Yeah, we we You're in meetings,
you're watching video. We get you trained, but the best
training is being on the court and getting yelled at
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Okay, Okay. Tough love, baby, tough love. Thank you, Neil.
Thanks thanks for the note.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Thanks for see. We got a couple of names here
we didn't know. I didn't know. I like I said,
I got seven again.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
This guy who you know, he's been he's been seeing
that looking at this stuff forever. Fat Lever came out
of high school in seventy eight, Kayla under Fred Snowden's
time here and when he did go to SU and
I remember this time, was very upset with him.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah that makes sense. Okay,
are we good to go? We still got a little
bit of no.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Okay, So.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Getting to the reffing thing that you know, I have
told you this story. You know, I refereed City League
basketball for a while in the mid eighties, ok And, uh, you.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Know, and it was fun.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
I really thought that if I like it, I mean,
trying to do high school and stuff like that. I'm
working at the paper at the time, and you know,
looking for some other stuff to do and reference and work.
Got back that one of the city league referece had
a gun pulled on on him in the parking lot.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Oh that was the last game I reffed.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
I said, that's it, Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
You know I was getting you were getting paid twenty
bucks a game, right, and you'd go ref three games.
You have a big sixty bucks in the night. It
was okay, you know, back in there. But then you know,
they told us, I mean they had me and say, hey, guys,
you know, just so you know, got a gun pulled
on I said.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, and I'm sure you weren't a low ye, you
wouldn't want to be. What's the worst thing you got called?

Speaker 4 (51:53):
I didn't get called anything from fans, but I did
get a guy who I called a foul on him.
And I was walking to give the you know thing
to the scorekeeper and he grabbed me by the shoulder
and turned me around. Man, and I said, hey, you're gone,
and b you might not ever play in this league again.
I don't know if they ever let him play. I
didn't never have this team again. But you know, he

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grabbed me by and it wasn't malicious. He just kind
of grabbed me because he wanted to talk to me.
But he never should have touched me, right, He didn't
like whip me around. He grabbed my shoulder and kind
of pulled me around, and I'm like, you're out of
the game, you know, Okay, you can have yourself over there.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
You could.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
You probably kicked the hell out of anybody.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Man, you're a wrestler. You guys know. Moove's get some
breaking news. Yeah, I got some Okay,