Friday, July 18, Hour 2

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Steve Rivera, he's got his eye on the ball on
Tucson sports station Fox Sports fourteen fifty.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on
Fox Sports fourteen fifty.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
I'm Steve Rivera. You're jagensaus Hey. Thanks for not bringing
back any using any Coldplay music. Hr said it wasn't okay.
He got ready with.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Breaking this his eye on the ball breaking news on
Fox Sports fourteen fifty.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
I wouldn't even recognize any Coldplay news. I don't think
I know what cold No, that was Green Day. Never mind,
I got him confused. I'm thinking of Green Day. I
have a good day. Get off my lawn.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Starting off with some golf from the British Open, Arizona
golfer Philip Jacobik did not make the cut for the
second round. He was about five shots off of the
projected cut line.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
So that's uh, I mean, not disappointing.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
But you know played in that yeah, right, he played
on and those golf courses.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
You know, my son asked me, would you ever want
to go play on this course?

Speaker 5 (01:10):
I said yeah, but I probably regret it because it
kicked the hell out of me.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, those courses like hard.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah, and I mean I I say the same thing
whenever people tell me, like, oh, did you ever play
a pebble beach, because I grew up in the area,
and it's like, man, I'd be lucky if I could
drive a golf cart there.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
You know what I mean. I did play it. I
played it once. Yeah, you played there? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Man, yeah, I mean it's it's a cool course from
what I've seen.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
Oh, it's you know, it'd be like taking batting practice
at Dodger Stadium or you know whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
I mean. It was the greatest golf experience in my life. Really, yeah. Man, yeah,
maybe I'll have to sneak onto the course. There you go,
they escort you in a good golf cart.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Shot one, O, two and and and the seagull stole
my snicker bar.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Really oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Those seagulls are rough out there, keeping it going. The
Dolphins have agreed with to terms with guard Jonah Savanea.
He's getting his contract fully guaranteed over the next forty years,
which is kind of a big thing with the second rounders.
I feel like it's been a big talking point in competition.

(02:19):
We have some wildcats in the summer League. Expect to
see umar Bollo again with the heat. They are going
to play the Bucks at four. I guess it just started.
And Caleb had a great night. Good night yesterday. You
hit another game last night? Yeah, yeah, what did you do?
Fourteen points one of six overall, but five to sixteen

(02:43):
kind of fallows that line though, you know, was it?

Speaker 6 (02:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Because we had this, didn't we talk about this game?
He had the same shooting night the night before.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, he had like, yeah, five or sixteen, so back
to back the night sixteen.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah, I think last time he had sixteen fifteen Yeah,
fifteen sixteen, Wow, I remember that last game he had
a he had a rebounds. Yeah, he was in double
digit rebounds and it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Okay that was so in the last two games, she's
ten for thirty.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, Caleb. Hell, that's who he is. That's who he is.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
He is, That's that's what we talked about this. We
talked about this this week because if he's that guy
and they just find resigned a Lillard and already a
full backcourt, I mean, where do you find a guy
like that?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Where do you put a guy like that?

Speaker 6 (03:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:30):
No, he's that, That's who he is, and people if
people understand that that's who he is, then you know
what you got and then you see where he goes
from here. And that's why I think he you know,
he's got to be forty percent guy to have a
chance to make it in the NBA based on all
the other things that he is, and if he's not
going to be forty guy, then you know you can't
you can't take him.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
And I think another thing too, is like it's it's
really I feel like it's good for him that he's
on a two way just because it's like if you
got to give Drew Holiday a break one night, maybe
Dave Lillard to break one night, you call him up
and it's like, he can we facilitate play some defense,
you know what I mean, get a couple buckets.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
So there's if you call up the roster, they got
a slew of that court pie.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
So so if you're paying a dude guaranteed, right, what
are you gonna do keep the dude with the guarantee?

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah? Other than the way, Yeah, it's fair keeping it going. Though.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
The Spurs lost to the Charlotte Hornets last night in
the Summer League as well. Carter Bryant had a pretty
good shooting night, actually six of nine, four of six
from three. He had sixteen points overall, so he was
the second second high score on the Spurs last night.
Had a couple of rebounds, a couple of sists, so

(04:42):
good showing. Good offensive showing, which kind of been maybe
not his his strong suits so far in the summer league.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
This one caught my eye.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
So you guys heard about the like the whole NFLPA
like they were like kind.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Of trying to cover up.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
So apparently he the ex guy because he resigned yesterday,
was using his company card to go to strip clubs
and it totaled over three thousand, which.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Look on your face, Steve, We talked about this.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I asked a question earlier. I had the same question
to asked you off the air. YEA good for him.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
I don't know. I mean, it's just like, why why
charge it to the company card? You know, I don't know.
I guess what are you doing? Right? Is that why?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
He was at least that story earlier this day today
he talked about resigning blah blah blah, and the reason
why is there was a conflict of interest. He was
part of a group that was being helped by the NFL,
but I'm sure that played a part too.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, they were like so from what I remember, like
hearing talked about kind of throughout the week, they were
like colluding about like how much like guaranteed contracts and
stuff like. Yeah, there was always more to the story, right,
moving on to base but which strip clubs.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Don't lead? Don't bury the lead?

Speaker 5 (06:11):
Man, my bad bad.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Man?

Speaker 6 (06:15):
Oh man.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, wild stuff, wild stuff going on in the world
right now.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Uh yeah uh.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Former Giants uh managing general partner Bill Newcombe passed away
at eighty three today. He was part of that twenty
ten World Series team. So that's a little a little sad,
but I mean baseball's back finally.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Man, yesterday was yesterday was tough. It was tough, wasn't it. Yeah,
sure it was.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
I'm like nothing, I mean, there was a summer league obviously,
but yeah, kind of kind of a Barren Barren Knight.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
For Yeah, it was, it was, it was. It was tough.
It was a tough gold last last night. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
I'm like, and you know, my my son got pissed
me because I said, when did the All Star break
include Thursday? We used to get games on Thursday. Right,
there was there, you know, there a handful of games
on Thursday just to get us back. Yeah, dude, they
need another day off. I'm like, they're making more money
than God. Yeah, they can play on Thursday. No, management. Well,

(07:23):
this is funny because we had Jonathan right in. He
didn't answer the question because I guess he directed me
about the time of people of the players on the ball. Yeah,
and I said, like five minutes collectively, and it was
ninety seventy seconds. So so baseball players of the nine
now two and a half hours that they play. How
many minutes are they actively in the game?

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Were involved in the game. Yeah, that's a fair point.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Not much, Yeah, maybe, yeah, probably, like maybe like a
minute and a half or like two minutes.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
And if you're a center fielder or whatever, short stop,
you're kind of in the bulk.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Of that, unless you're a picture obviously, But right, you know, yeah,
we're back from the break. Diamondbacks have a series against
the Cardinals right now.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
It starts at six forty, but it is in Arizona,
so they're here this weekend.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yes, okay, but yeah, three game series, so it'll go
through Sunday. Diamondbacks favored tonight on ESPN at least Dodgers
playing the Brewers.

Speaker 6 (08:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
The Brewers were damn good. They're they're good.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
Well, they swept you guys last last well, I know,
but the Angel swept the Dodgers. Then that doesn't mean
the Angels are good. There's some first place. They got
a four and a half game, lad, Yeah, four and
a half game, yeah, like four or five?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah yeah, and you're still around, so I guess it's okay.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, yeah, No, I mean the West is tough. I mean,
Giants are tied with the Padres right now, and it's
like I think, well, not like tide tide, but it's
like maybe like an.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Extra game played.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, oh okay, this is an interesting one too. So
you know, Terry Rozier was kind of caught up in
that basketball the basketball guy, he was caught up in
that betting scandal that I guess he got off of
or they couldn't find like enough evidence, but I guess

(09:15):
now there's there's records showing details of a guy who
put like I think like thirty bets in forty six minutes,
all on Rosier, mostly on Rosier's unders.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
And so you know that's uh, that's a clue. That's
you know, that's what.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Don't you think you have to eliminate that stuff player
individual bets?

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yeah, well that's but that's so much of the gambling.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Though.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
I know that they're in some states, including Arizona, you
can't do prop bets on college players, and they're trying
to pass I think I saw something more something recently
that said that they're trying to get a legislation to
eliminate prop bets on all you know, every state, on
college kids because college kids are so much more vulnerable, right,

(10:04):
you know, they're not making the money that the I mean,
you think the NBA guys are NFL whatever, you know,
they're making enough money they don't need to do this,
but college kids are not right there, and so they're
trying to eliminate prop bets on all college now.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
But let me ask you something. You have more no, So,
so if we.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Ever get an administrator, maybe maybe get this ready. We've
been asking for Desroy for now, and I think you
and I have talked about this. Check when you were
on regularly. They're making two hundred thousand plus whatever it
might be. Yeah, they they their employees without essentially yea
being critical of them on this side of the table

(10:41):
in your columns that you have fair game.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yep, to what degree?

Speaker 5 (10:47):
He still But like with any even if it's a
pro athlete, you know, you don't you don't want to
be demeaning, you know, get personal and stuff like that.
But if you say you had a crappy game, have
problem with that. You know you had a crappy game,
and you know what, you may a lot of money
having a crappy game. But the other thing about that is,
though we don't know how much these guys, like we

(11:08):
really know, is Anthony del Orso making as much money
as say, Mo crevious?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Right?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Jayd and Bradley Well, I thought they were because it's
the it's the the share revenue share.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
No, what No, it's that the U of A gets
you know, each team gets an amount. I think I
don't think every player gets the same amount they did.
One of those things that we're talking about. I think,
I think I think you negotiate a deal with every
with every player.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Wow, I thought it was equal.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I don't think football players get more than the other
guys because they have the percentage that way.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Right, No, I don't. I don't think so, Steve. We
have to check that anybody knows that. Please, we'll ask somebody.
But yeah, I know, I.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Know.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
You know, if you go get a job, right, and
I'm talking about a high level not not a you know,
every you know, an a jar director at whatever company
is going to get the same.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
But you know, you start talking executives or making more money,
you know.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
This executive is going to well, you know, gets negotiates
a salary.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well, let me say some guy gets two and a
half to two fifty fifty in the hundreds of thousands, right,
and that's what they're going to be, and another guy
gets one hundred thousand, So you're gonna take it easy
on the guy who makes one hundred thousand.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
We don't know, but still still no, but we don't
is you know, is h is a bench player? Is
he just getting twenty grand which helps him pay his
bills and stuff like that as opposed to you know,
where it's basically a part time job. Are you gonna
go a little easier on him than you are? No
Fafida who's probably making you know, maybe making a million

(12:47):
and a half or whatever the number.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
We got to get that question, I mean, answered that question,
answered from something because I don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
I thought they were all getting paid equal. Well, I'll
text a couple of people.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Here, yeah, please please do And I don't know if
you distinguished, well how much he's getting paid so I
could be light on the guy or nice worked on
the guy two free throws at the end of the game.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
I don't think it should affect it. If you're gonna
if you're gonna critique a guy's gameplay, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
I mean, I you know, I don't think you should
be giving you know, what was his name, the you know, the.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Kicker you know death threats?

Speaker 5 (13:21):
No, you know, of course, but you know, but if
he if he's you know, if if you're Tyler Loop
and we know you're making a bunch of money because
you're the best kicker in college football, you know, and
you miss a chip shot, you should I might be
coming after you a little bit.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
You know, you got to make that crap. You're getting
paid good money to make that. And that's my point.
I mean, you know, I don't know how you write.
You write.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
But on the other hand, you know, if you're crapping
on a guy just because you're crapping on a guy
and it's personal, and it's not.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, that's not that's stupid.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
That's whether you're making one hundred thousand dollars or five
thousand dollars just because you're a grudge against him or whatever.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, no, and that's not what your job is.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Job is not that, right, and and you know, you
know where I'm going with that, right, specifically with a
certain member of.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
The local Oh no, not, I guess slimy media that.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Rips on players personally as opposed and continues to rip
on players even after they leave Arizona.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, okay, okay, we're going to get a hold of
go ahead. Just wanted to shout out Vernon Lquist. It's
the birthday today. Okay.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
You know I saw thing he money or something. No,
it's funny. I saw thing he he posted a thing.
Somebody asked him the best college football game you ever called?

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Called? And it was that the pick the kick six
the Alabama Auburn game. Yeah, it was that one.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
And he just said that just when everything about the
game it was what it was a game and then
it ended like that, right, you know, to me, and
they asked him specifically about football. To me, my best
favorite call of Verne Lunquist was Tiger Woods. Oh yeah,
chip on on sixteen at the Masters. Yeah, I remember that,
which was like unbelievable. I can watch that clip over

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Speaker 3 (15:08):
Do you get to see that through the mask? You
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Streaming live on the iHeartRadio app. This is I on
the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on
Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, and today with
me is Jaginsauce. Get ready at the controls. Now on
the phone, we have Jason Appadoca, the new Kelleen of
Foothills basketball coach.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
How are you doing, coach?

Speaker 6 (20:54):
Great fellows, how you guys doing.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
We're doing well. By the way, when you announced it,
I figured janeknew who you were, so he did.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
I knew too. I know too much about Jason, is
what it is. You can only go say so much
on this show.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
So and I got way back. He's a great guy.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
Man.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
I coached his son. He's an awesome guy.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Oh, Jay's a great guy. Hold on, god, what checks
in the mail? I'd been with him to this.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Start and I still don't know that guy. So, hey, congrats.
How does it feel about being up in the hills?

Speaker 6 (21:26):
Oh it was great, man. I'm super blessed, my wife,
family super happy. You know, uh, just you know one
of the best programs in southern Arizona for about the
last twenty years. And you know, it was one of
a destination place. If I could get to it, I'd
be super happy. So, man, what a great I'm really excited.
Great people there, the athletic director Charles Pearce and the

(21:49):
principal doctor Lambert's super excited to work with him. But
I'm I'm excited to bring really good things. I think
we're gonna really pump up that program and do a
really really good job.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Well, you threw some news. Let me know. I thought
Jody was still ad, but she must have been gone. Jody.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
Yeah, he's doing it. Miss Charles Pearce. Ad is going
into second year. A great guy.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Okay, Okay, oh wow, Okay.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
So Jason, I don't want to age you too much
because I you know, I don't think you're as old
as you know we were. We are, but I know
you're not as old as we are. But you've been
doing this for a while, what twenty years, fifteen years?
But you struck around, you stuck around Tucson doing this.
Why tell me what's in twenty five too?

Speaker 9 (22:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Why has this been a sort of a calling for you.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
You know, it's interesting, that's a good you know. I
started when I was twenty years oldterning twenty one, and
I'm forty six now, so I got twenty five years
in and you know, it's a new feeling. Like I'm
obviously I'm I'm from Tucson, you know, raised here, born
here and everything, and I think just helping through the process.

(22:56):
I think it took me a minute to find my
pathway as a young college too and all that. But
once I got it going, I knew like coaching was
my my Pounthforctorus. I loved working with kids. It's something
I loved basketball. I thought there's something I could be
really good at. And it's funny, I couldn't tell you
that it's twenty five years later. It just flies and
I've been, you know, work through a lot of different things.

(23:16):
I learned a lot from a lot of really awesome coaches.
You know, Coach Peabody at Pima, he's amazing. I worked
with him, Paul Berenowski, Saint Gregory, have some really good
conversations with Joseph Blairry is one of my good buddies.
And that, you know, I just I love it. My
wife loves it, our family loves it. I mean, I
think that's the piece. But that's it, man. And I

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just love helping kids and that's been my pathway.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, no, great. Where were you before this?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
I've been.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
I was at Sienica High School and then kind of
my pathway Sienica before that, CEO before that, Pima College,
was Coach Peabody for almost five years, Saint Gregory before that,
which was the Gregory School now, but when I was
there at call Sank Gregory College up for for seven years,
and Desert Christian for four years. So that really pass
passed me about twenty five years.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
So you were a Desert Christian yuck.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
Yeah, you know, young bucket. Yeah, that's funny. Funny.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
So before we get into your coaches, so you were
part of the entourage.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Oh yeah, you're talking hbody, the Peabody group.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's uh, he's unbelievable. Man.
If if people hadn't seen Coach Peabody coach or run
his practice, he is uh. You know, he's intense, but
he's as good as a he's a I say, he's
one of the best in the business man. He works
his his tailofs to be successful, and boy does he
run a good product at Pema College. I mean, Pema
College is an absolute powerhouse now where it used to

(24:47):
be used to be not good.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
I mean, yeah, we're aware of so so Jason.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Twenty five years But when you think about that, Okay,
think about your time at Sant Gregory and what you
saw as far as high school basketball. Now, that was
one a but you were you You're in the circle,
right you see basketball? You know you you guys played
in the thing at Michale and you saw the other
teams and you were just around. What's basketball? How's basketball different?
High school basketball different or the same here in Tucson

(25:17):
than it was twenty twenty five years ago.

Speaker 6 (25:20):
No, it's changed. I mean the kids have changed. I
think parents have changed, expectations changing, you know, social media
and all that stuff with kids. I mean, I think
club basketball's changed. There's some guys that do an amazing
job and there's also some guys that it struggles. I think,
you know, they play so many games now that some

(25:42):
of the the importance of when you would go play,
you know, your eighteen games in varsity and then your
tournament that was such a big deal, and I know
it's still a big deal, but they played so many
games throughout the year, I thought it's lost a little
bit of that. But like there's I'd say there's some
more skilled players now at times, and there was also
back then there was amazing guys. But the big the

(26:03):
biggest change for me is just just the I was
such a big deal. And I can go further back
real quick because I went to I went to South Point.
I played for coach Peabody at south Point. I graduated
ninety seven and we were high school basketball back at
that time was absolutely ridiculous, amazing great players, big post players, guards, everything,

(26:25):
and uh you went to where you lived right like
there was no opening role, none of that stuff.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
Like it was.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
Unbelievable back then.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
So did you have This is a dumb question because
you're going to say no, but you were. You gave
us your resume here to get to this point. Was
this a point that you wanted to get to here
at Foothills? Was it kind of one eye here eventually?
What did you look at the program? Absolutely?

Speaker 6 (26:49):
And you know, and it came by chance, but absolutely,
I mean I think, uh, working with touch Peabody just
a you know facilities, it's an amazing school district and
they've had the depth of talent. Just for me coaching
the last you know, bigger school for a while, their
depth of talent over the last ten to fifteen years
has been impressive. So continue to getting those you know,

(27:10):
bulk of kids there and doing that I think has
a chance to you know, really be a powerhouse and successful.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
Okay, so you're coming into a place like Foothills that
you know that's had some history, had some a lot
of success. What's the first thing that Jason Appadaca is
doing today and maybe in the next week or two
schools starting in a month that you're doing to get
to get ready for this and you know, create a
sort of put your start to put your.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Mark on it.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
No, that's a great question. I think getting a set
up a really good meeting with all the parents and
players are returning and coming freshmen, and just putting out
what my expectations off of the program, giving them a schedule.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
You know.

Speaker 6 (27:53):
I think the pathway to be successful is giving these
guys opportunity to get in the gym a lot and
get better. It's till November, and uh, you knows as
a coach and a coaching staff. I think for you
also to be successful, you got to work really hard
with you know, as a coach and outwork other staffs
to be good. So, uh me, I hit the ground running,
I would say, right and trying to get these guys

(28:13):
an opportunity to get better before the basketball season season
starts in November. And then just kind of would you say,
golfing myself into the Foothill system and going to the
football games and you know, and and doing everything I
can and and and and being a part of that
kind of putting myself into that piece.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
So I know, we have a little bit of time,
and I wanted to talk to you real quick because
you've been around this long. We had a little segment
here with the best players to come through high school basketball.
You've seen some can you give us maybe a handful
of the guys you've seen them are pretty pretty good?

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Who are they?

Speaker 6 (28:47):
Yeah? I mean Jermaine Watts because I think I was
in eighth grade at Sunnyside. He was really good. Maybe
even Deron Johnson was around that time. He was amazing.
Uh gosh, I played with a couple of really good players.
At South Point, Brian Smith, you know, he went to them,

(29:08):
you know, and also my well, my assistant coach last year,
Jason Dickens. He was amazing. He went to Davidson out
of high school. And then I think the best player
I've seen, uh, Terrell Stoglan was I thought, just because
he was unbelievable and he could and he he you
know what he didn't he couldn't fly. And Duncan Sepn
boy could he scored forty points uh in any night

(29:30):
and you know, so he he was impressive. And now
Tim Dirkson was also really good as well.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
I remember Tim he's did he played He played at Ami,
right ampi Ami.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
Yeah, there's been some newer guys that that are good
as well, you know, over the years here. Uh, you know,
there's been some great guys. But if you're going like
top those some of those guys, yeah, I mean Jermaine
Watston me was one of the best players.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Sure, sure, Uh is Tucson getting better at this game?

Speaker 6 (29:59):
I think the it's interesting the depth at times, yes,
because I think there's more kids training and doing basketball stuff.
I think overall, between club options, prep options, all that stuff,
that's probably hurt a little bit. Maybe charter school and
different options.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
But a little bit.

Speaker 6 (30:17):
I do think it is better. There's a depth of kids,
but it's interesting, you know, size wise. I feel like
it's smaller now than.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
It was interesting size wise in terms of groups of players,
of good players or.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
Yeah, in general.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
I mean, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 6 (30:34):
You go to Phoenix, there's monsters that I've just been
in two So there was times when it was all
these monsters. When I played, every team was huge. Yeah,
and even back when I was at Saint Gregory and
some of that stuff, there were some. There's big kids now,
but not the depth. If you go through two soon,
there's not very many sixteens. The last big six ten
guys big will from Foothills that played at you y,
I can think.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Of you guys.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Didn't mention your guy, the kid that I played against,
the little guy that went to San Antonio, your guy,
my guy that went to Santa Yeah, he went played
a little I played it in the Citizen contest.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
He was he played a single. Oh uh uh, frankiemuboulu.

Speaker 6 (31:08):
He went to sing, yeah, you know what. Honestly, Stephen,
if we Frankie real quick to talk about him, I
love him real quick. One of my favorite players of
all time. Being in small school. You know, we won,
we would have won four state championships in a row.
But he got injured on his third year and we
lost him the state semis the senior year. But he
he uh, he went to Saint Edward's full ride Division two.

(31:30):
If he played for Safe Foothills or South Point, he
would have been one of the better players. He would
just got more notoriety and and probably even a bigger
Division one scholarship.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Oh, you can thank Paul Bereonowski for talking him out
of that, because I love right.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
Once a week, man, I love that guy.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
Okay, I'm gonna put you on the spot, uh, because
you know you mentioned the whole club uh club uh
aspect of this. You know, you're you're a guy you
you you know you want to develop players and whatnot.
What role do you think club ball should have in
all of this? Should these guys be playing year round
or should they? You know, I know Paul Bernowski, we've

(32:11):
mentioned his name. You know, he was a proponent of
guys playing all the sports. Where do you sit on that?

Speaker 6 (32:19):
I would say, you know, working with some of those
club coaches, no, because I think they get great opportunities
times to go play in some club tournaments and get
seen by college coaches. So there is a really important
aspect that I just think the overtraining piece and too
much of it year round, can wear some of these
kids down that are very really good, top level players

(32:41):
that they're playing non zop. You do need to recover,
you need to continue lifting, You got to do all that. So,
I mean, I think there's a there's a give and take.
But you know, I do love kids getting out there
and getting better and spending time, but I also love
to have to give them the opportunity personally through I'm
going to let them get better and put that time
in because I know I can control that piece, you know.
So there's a give and take, and I think if

(33:02):
you work together, you can you can make it work.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
So that's a great answer. I so you passed the
answer test, So I'll give you another question.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
So you've been doing this a while now, you're in
your mid forties. I asked this of coaches who come
on the show. So what's your secret, sauce.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
Gosh, I think my wife loves basketball. I mean, that's
that's peace. Number one in my family is very supportive,
but like I think, just striving to be good. And
you gotta love what you do, like you guys, you know,
I'm sure you love being on the radio, love what
you do like I love. I love what I do,
and I love working with kids and giving them opportunity
to get better. And you know, honestly, the bigger picture

(33:42):
of it is transforming them on to be great young
men stepping out of high school going on to be successful,
because basketball is just a small part of it. Like
if they're going to be successful with that being college,
trade school, working, supporting a family, and they can come
back and see me, that's a family that twenty five years.
I love all those guys that I've I've pushed through
and they can come back to always be people I

(34:03):
love and support.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, no coaches, and I'm sure I'm sure kids have
have they said, you know, hey, coaching without you know.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Your guidance or whatever.

Speaker 6 (34:13):
Yeah, absolutely, well I will.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
I will say Jason that you certainly you know you
mentioned you coach my son Adam at saying Gregory and
you obviously made some sort of an impression because he's
thirty two years old. And he's still out there playing
league basketball.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
And h yeah, you know, just Jay had nothing to
do with it. I had another I couldn't play.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
He's still a three point shooter. And h I love
ad him and I got you, got your your his
fam and he's doing see death that it's all about.
Look at him. He's got his family now and he's
doing his thing at U of A and gosh, I
love seeing him Jay. Funny side note, I'll usually be
sitting in some good seats at McHale and I'll send
I'll focus in and put a picture of him and
send it to him.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
There you go, Jason. Well, it's great to talk to you, Jason.
And congratulations.

Speaker 6 (34:58):
I know you do.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
You know, we know you do a good over there.
But it's good for you. Good for you to get
a shot like this.

Speaker 6 (35:05):
I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much for having
me on. That was an honor. I love having the
opportunity to talk basketball and that's really appreciate you guys.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Now you gotta do just win, baby, just win, just win.
That's when, all right, Thanks a bunch of coach.

Speaker 6 (35:20):
Thanks guys, I'm great.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Dyah, we will, we will. Let's take a break and
come back and bs the rest of the way. All right,
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Streamy Live on the Ihearts Radio WIP. This is Eye
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Speaker 2 (39:32):
Hey, welcome back to the ball. Here on Fox Sports
fourteen fifteen from Steve Rivera. You're Jacinsauce. Got ready waiting
for some calls if we get some, so you break
some news here for me.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
Jays out oft think it's breaking must if I think
everybody knew this, but you know, I don't think i've Uh.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
It's one of those things where it's like you don't
know and you have an engling, you know what I mean,
but it's like.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
You never Okay, we looked into this whole aspect of,
you know, the salary money for the various sports.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Okay, so we were talking about men's basketball, and.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
I'm not going to say this is official, right, but
I'm gonna say I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
This is how it is.

Speaker 16 (40:11):
Is that.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
A team gets a lump sum of money from the
twenty percentage of the revenue share of the twenty and
a half million. I think in Arizona it's three or
four million, or it's a percentage, right, you know. Obviously
most of it goes to football. I think fifteen million
goes to football. I think maybe three million goes to

(40:34):
I don't know, men's basketball, and then the rest gets
spread out among the rest.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Was surprising too, Okay. My belief, and this is what
you you weren't sure of, was that.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
It's not you don't spread it out evenly among your rosters.
That a player get negotiates an amount, whether it's with
the coach or the director of operations or there. You
know how the all the all these programs now have
a chief of staff or whatever you call them, and
it's negotiated. So in other words, uh, let's say last year,

(41:12):
you know, Caleb Love, if under this Caleb Love was
going to get more than Anthony del orso good, right,
And that's what I understand it is, is that so
you know, whether it's Tommy Lloyd has to make I'm
sure he's in on the decision, whether you know how much,
how far you know, or is he just.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Listening to a guy.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
But a player is gonna get going to negotiate theirs
and they're gonna get X, and this player is going
to get X, and this player is going to get X,
and it's not all the same.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, So I was I was thinking, this is how
I always went. They get X amount of money and
everybody got similar numbers. So okay, I get that. Let's
say you get five million, Uh that they get the
equal share, and then you get whatever you get on
on top of the nil that's that you get that's yours, right,
you know, And that's that's in addition to what you're right.

(42:03):
Nil is in addition to this. You know, but I
thought it was money and then you nil as.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
Far as what you're getting paid by the U of
A you get at you know, if you're a stud
you're going to get X. And if you're sitting at
the end of the bench and you never play, you're
gonna get kind of get that.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Well, give it the scenario if you can, if you
want to that. You kind of brought this in the
in the intermission with with Waka and compete. Okay, right,
just like you told us.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
Right, go ahead and well again Tobya Waka and we
had you know, the conf this guy played last year,
did well, was was an integral part of their success
last year. But then you got a freshman like Coopete,
highly recruited, one of the top recruits in the country.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
How do you decide what each one gets right?

Speaker 5 (42:51):
Or if you want to talk about you know, co
Opete and Jane Bradley, or you know one or the other,
maybe a recruit that wasn't as high as Cole Pete,
right one of the other guys and.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Versus Anthony del Rosso.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
You know, a coach is gonna figure this out and
players are gonna have to be good with it.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Yeah, no, that's the whole thing. But that's Steve.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
That's like that in the NBA, it's like that in baseball.
It's like that in every sport. There's a guy that's
making more money.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Than you are, right, right, But those guys making more
money than me, party you already have some skin in
the game and been there a while.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
That was your issue.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Yeah, yeah, it was just like that's always the surprising thing,
right where it's like should they get Like obviously they
should get money. I'm not saying that, but it's like,
should they get paid more than people who have like
kind of proven themselves, and like, you know.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
But what about what about the number twelve guy on
on the San Antonio Spurs who's not making what Carter
Bryant is making to playing the G League?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Right, that's kind of I don't know if I can
say this is different because he was drafted.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
And all that stuff, and that's how it is, right,
and just that's how it is up. So I have
no argument. I have no argument with this. I'm just
surprised this is how it's being done. I'm not surprised
at all.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
I would expect it to be done that way I
would expect if I'm coed Pete and I could have
gone to any one of a number of schools that
I'm gonna make x amount, uh you know, at the
University of Arizona, or I'm not going there, and I'd
better be making more than Anthony del Orso or Tobya
Waka or somebody else.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Wouldn't surprise me. Okay, cole, you're gonna come here and
we're gonna get X amount of money and and it's
a good lump. But whether it's a wink wink or whatever,
we've got some nil money on top of that.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 9 (44:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yeah, And coaches have to do somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
And that's where coaches are are in a in a
spot they say, Okay, we you know, maybe we're gonna
get you. We think we can get you this amount
of nil, which was allow us to take some of
your salary and pay it to somebody else.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Who's not going to get that NL exactly.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
All that balancing has to take place, and which just
absolutely boggles my mind that colleges are having to do this.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
And think about what the if we're talking about twelve
guys or thirteen or fourteen fifteen guys on a on
a basketball team. What about when you're dealing with eighty
five guys on the football team. I mean, how do
you differentiate what you're gonna pay h nor Fafita versus
you know, one of their wide receivers was in his
first year.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
What was my argument when all this started, when we talking,
we talked about that all the time. If you're the
center or the guard who's blocking for the running back,
who's making three times your body, what the hell what
am I doing here? But if you're the coach, you're
gonna you're gonna go. You're gonna go to the left tackle.
That's that's that's uh protecting Fafeeda's back and.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
Say we'll give you you know, we're gonna we're gonna
pay you this and you deserve it because remember there
was a study uh that that you know, just I
don't know if it was a study, but somebody U
wrote something that said that actually the most valuable position
that's getting paid the most, outside of a few core
backs here and there, was offensive lineman, they're the ones

(46:03):
making the most money.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Really Yeah, well, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
You have to protect because because if you don't have
a good offensive line for your quarterback that you're getting
you're paying three million dollars a year is gonna suck.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Yeah, But I mean look at the money that like
Miles Garrett got this year. T J.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Watts signed for Like he just became the highest nompaid
quarterbacks the other one.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
So defensively, the market, I think if I recall them,
the the the this article or whatever it was, basically said,
the market in college is pretty much similar to the
market in the NFL, except you know, because how many
I mean, how many quarterbacks are making the gazillion dollars
a year six or seven and then everybody else's kind

(46:45):
of in linemen are making a.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Lot of money.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Yeah, right, yeah, And I mean I mean that's what
everybody always talks about, right, It's like football's played in
the trenches and all that. And I think you see,
like especially right now with the whole Texas Tech the
guy that they signed for five million, it's like you
see that important starting to come out more compared to like.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Is that did he sign for five million for the
revenue share or that was the nil? I uh, I
think I think what I know, he.

Speaker 5 (47:13):
Got it he got an nil deal, but his they
were saying his total package was was five.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Mil total including right, So that's my point. You know, Okay,
we gotta pay you this X amount of money, but remember.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
That whatever nil deal he's getting has got to pass
that clearing house that they that they've instituted.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
This is just a crazy It's just wild to me.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
It's always been wild to me, just because it's like
everything's so up and like obviously, like some rules are concrete, right,
It's like you can play players, Okay, that's fine. That
should have been happening. They can get their own sponsorships
and stuff like that, that should also have been happening.
But it's like, what, like why are we still hiding
stuff if everything is supposed to be open now and
you don't have to worry about, like, you know, how

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much we're paying a guy. It's like, okay, we're paying them,
but it's like, why, what's the issue with right numbers?

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Well, that's that's one of the things that you know,
people want to want that we need to know, you know,
like you know, everybody's salaries in the in the NFL.
But that has to do with you know, anti trust
and stuff. Like that, and all these legal things that say, Okay,
if you're going to have this, you got to do this.
We don't have that in college yet, and I would
like to see that because I'm I personally want to

(48:21):
know how much no if f Het is making. Yeah,
you know, he might be your neighbor. Yeah, I mean
he might take me golfing.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Who's landscaper?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
You know?

Speaker 5 (48:31):
But then again there's still kids, and it's like, I'm like, okay,
you know now you're going to tell them that the
eighteen year old kid is making half a million dollars
a year And what does that do to that kid personally?

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Right when he goes to a restaurant or he goes
to a movie or whatever. Yeah, there's a whole I mean,
so many layers to this thing. No question, it's it's
it's it's un fun. Yeah, no question.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Again leads me to my point is how much criticism
should they get they get again when this happened.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
Again, they're gonna have to understand you've made this choice
to be in this position.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Okay, so you're Desiree or you're an ad somewhere, You're
you're del Conte, or you're so greg or Dell CONTI,
your quarterback wasn't very good.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
How much criticism do you think you should get? You
know what he's gonna say, zero zero, there's still kids. Yeah,
that's not the right answer.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
No, it's not the right answer. And it's somewhere in
between what an NFL guy's going to get versus zero.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
I think it matters too, And I like, I feel
like I was in a similar not obviously not like
playing D one sports, you know what I mean. But
it's like when you're representing something, you have to be
like really I wouldn't say like good, but it's like
you got to be on your p's and q's, know
what I mean. And so like obviously like performance like
that's going to vary on a like sports performance and

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stuff like that. But it's like if you're really gonna
come like Badger somebody or something like that, it's probably
because like you know, you're not like a fan of
because you're Shirk exactly.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
But that's what I mean.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Thought to be able to like represent, you got to
be able to represent whatever, you know, whatever the front
of the uniform says.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
You know what I mean, goolay, like like anything else, Steve.
You know, they say, well, you're making the big bucks.
When you're making the big bucks, that comes with other responsibilities,
no question, right question. You know, if you want to
make thirty thousand dollars a year and work at you know,
in and out or whatever, you know, you're not going
to catch the crap that you're going to catch if
you're you know, a CEO at a Coldplay concert.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yeah right, yeah, No one's gonna put you on the screen. No, no,
But I think that's fair. Yeah, and that and that
is fair, you know.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
I mean, you know, with increase salary and status and
all that comes increased responsibility and increase not not so
much criticism, but people were watching you more.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Well you you heard it now.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I mean some games where the guys didn't play that well,
wouldn't you be surprised I'm paying this guy to do that?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Yeah, and then and then, and that's gonna that's gonna
be more and more uh evident as we go along.
You know, I think last year, I mean, because look
at last year, right, we all thought, we all are
certain no one was making probably decent money. You know,
we talked to Emberta Lopez, who was paying him right
and and so we didn't have a number, but you
know it was probably substantial, and he was having a

(51:25):
horrible year. But in that last season, people were blaming
that more on Brent Brannan and the coaching staff as
a pot and they're just saying, No has been put
in a horrible spot with what they're doing offensively.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
So he didn't get a lot of the criticism.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
I didn't hear people out there saying, no, if Aafita
sucks because of what he did the year before.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
We know he doesn't suck. He just had a tough year.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
We got to go and that will leave. We'll see
you guys Monday. Thanks Jake,