Hour 1- August 12, Mike Dunlap

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Hey, welcome back to wire on the Ball here on
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Let me get you out of bed, Sorry to get
you out. It's good to get out of the house.
What soap opera did you watch? No, no soap operas today?
What we're doing some volunteer works.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
What was the best price on the prices right now? Now?

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Haven't gotten to that point yet, retirement, I haven't gotten there.
I try to keep a TV off, in fact, most
of the day until sports comes on later in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Okay, if I can help it, well, welcome back again.
I was helping me out with this and shoot one.
Of course you you were my guest host one.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, always here, always ready, always have all these people
ready to go for you.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh, you guys don't have jobs. You gotta get your job.
We're gonna have a pretty good show today, A little
different for me, I've been trying to not trying to
get our first guest because I know he had been busy,
and you know, this has been fifteen sixteen years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Mister Mike Dunlap.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Mike Dunlap, Yeah, a name from the past, a pseudo
associate head coach back in the day when lut was
up sitting out that year, hit that final year of
his contract and decided to say goodbye.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
One of my favorite guys, one of the smartest dudes
I've ever met. So we'll talk to him just about
the good old days and what he's up to now.
He went on that an NBA title with Milwaukee the Bucks.
He was in the busting coach yeah sons and I
didn't remember this. I didn't remember this, but he was
the head coach, oh the Charlotte Bobcats for a year,
not a very good year, but he he knows basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, he's one of these.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Guys that's just managed to bounce around and every once
in a while at pops against a head coaching job,
which I guess he has now in a small college
in Colorado.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
So he's like you.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
He's sixty eight, although you're younger than that or no,
you're just barely younger than that, right, go ahead, keep talking.
Was sixty eight years old and he's retired, but not
retired because he's coaching.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
In the armac. What is that Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Probably Yeah, out of the Grand Junction, Colorado.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
He came from here, if you remember, from Metro State,
and Luke kind of brought him here to be an
assistant coach back in the day and lasted one year
and then kind of things fell apart.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, things, no fault of his own, went disarray. Yeah, No,
it was good. It was an interesting year too. I
mean they wound up going to Sweet sixteen. Yeah, with
Russ Panell and Panel, Yeah, and Rich and Mike and Reggie.
Gary was there, and you know, it was kind of
a forgotten team. That'd be a good little story just
kind of what what became of that team, how.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
It all came where everybody is now where they now.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Wasn't that a Jordan Hill nick wise?

Speaker 4 (03:01):
That was Jordan and Chase Buddinger Chase Buddeger.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
The funny thing about it, I remember that whole year.
It was like my one of my final years for
the paper. Everyone talking it's a it's a down year
for u of A and rebuilding year, YadA YadA. Loop
wasn't there, And I'm thinking, I'm thinking, and they're right,
but I'm thinking a lot of teams in this country
would love to have that type of.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Down here exactly exactly. I mean that was that was
also for me too. It was kind of near the
end of my time on TV, and I remember we
did not go, which was, you know, kind of a
thorn in my side when I when I think about
the past and kind of how things were going in
television in those years. I don't know what was going.
I think it was a bad time in the economy.
That's what they used to tell us, right, the recession
was going on, and then it was a lot happened

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to me, just hitting you know, media big time. That's
kind of when it started. That's when the downfill starts,
you're right, right, So you know that kind of that
moment in UVA basketball, at least for us, was kind
of like well, watching on TV and you know, try.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
To get some post game comments. You didn't go, didn't go,
didn't go? I went?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I can't remember we went to uh Memphis, where's the
second round wasn't it was Miami.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
It was Miami.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
It was miamy mammy, because I remember Anthony hadn't gone
to the first first round.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
And then they won.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
They they they luck found them because they got the
Utah team got upset.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
They did in the state or somebody sixteen.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
And then guess who shows up on the sweet sixteen
Patino Patino beats the crap out of the terrible and yeah,
pedal lost love respect for a Patino and it was
it was a mispatch. It was there was another lucky
to get there. It was fine, But that whole year
was if you remember, that was I think the year.
I think the year Dave and I wanted getting my

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years round because yesterday the kids corrected me in a
couple of things. When when Chase got his head stumped,
muh look up that year and and then things happened,
you know, they just started getting better and getting on
a roll.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah with Nick was lud was not here for that game. No, okay, no, no,
no he was.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
No. I don't think so, yeah, this happened the year before,
but I don't think no.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
I mean, there was there were some crazy moments and
you know, as always, good players kind of filtered through
the program go on to the NBA and things like that,
and so it didn't stop even though lou stopped. I
mean there was you know a little bit of a lull,
and so instead of winning twenty five, they won twenty two.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Right in those.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Couple of years, Yeah, you might want to can you
could look at that twelve thousand and eight, That year
they went to the Sweet sixteen. I think it's two
thousand and eight because a year later, don't forget, Kevin
O'Neil took over.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Right, and then it was over for and that was
a first round exit. That was DC to Washington to
West Virginia, which I did go to.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah. Yeah, those two years were like crazy. That was brutal,
crazy times. That was a.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Terrible road trip, terrible game one, one and out. Yeah,
you know late night you won two Arison a basketball. Yeah.
So the Sweet sixteen lost to the Louisville So that
was two thousand and Seapolis, Yeah, Indianapolis.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
That's where Miami first round, second round.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, that's right, because I remember going to Miami and
then we went to d C after that, d C
indian No, No, no, what was d C. D C
was the first rounder and maybe the next cause oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's the West Virginia g M. That's right, because we
went to sightsee and blah blah blah Saturday. I used
to live out there, so okay, brought some tears to

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where I used to That was cool. I remember that
I had never really even been to d C. I
was there when I was a child, and then that
was I think my first chance. And then later in
my life I had a job that took me to
DC a lot of times, so it was kind of.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Cool, right yeah. And then don't forget. Did you go
on the White House tour?

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Right?

Speaker 3 (06:44):
So that was ninety eighty seven, November of ninety seven
or October Halloween ish?

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Yeah, yeah, I remember, I remember with the guys and
me the only ones there.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, okay, yeah. It was good because we just followed
a team wherever they went. We went to Student Day
is it Judge Day? Representative Day?

Speaker 4 (07:04):
From here? Oh?

Speaker 5 (07:05):
No?

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Did you? Yeah? Yeah, you know, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I remember because because lut brought her into a meeting
with everybody.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
And no, I just did the White House and then
we went to the Senate and had lunch and Kolby
was there I remember, and talked to about Deaconsini was
there then. I don't remember that, but Colby I remember.
I remember interviewing him like Miles and He's like, I'd
rather yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
This isn't the greatest thing. I'd rather be home.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
I don't want to do Miles, You're in the White House.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, I do remember that too. I do remember that
Gene was kind of excited. Some of the guys were.
Miles was like that, he was like.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Really, yeah, that was That was one of my highlights
of my career.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
I was going to the White House. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
And then the picture of course, uh where lut looked
more provincial or more presidential than then you know Clinton.
I think Clinton in the Gore Yeah. Remember Clinton had
laryngitis and couldn't really do and Gore kind of led
the whole whole Sarah.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yeah, it was cool, cool time.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Stuff like that we never get to see unless we
get this to see it right part of this group.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
So you had a chance to see some basketball team,
Yeah I did. I did.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
So.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
They opened the practice here for a rarity to kind
of for the media to look at the UA team
basketball team today, So for about an hour or so.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I just left.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
We're going to have a he just wants to have
the press conferences. We'll look for that because Bryce James
was gonna talk. Oh yeah, there were three guys are
gonna talk. Bryce James was among them. And the guys
that look good. Hey, let me tell you. Co Op
Pete is going to be a monster for this team.
Is so is Awaka. Obviously that's not a surprise. But

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co O Pete and and some of the others. You know,
Bradley will be good, obviously, but the guy that's going
to see a lot of ball touches, it's gonna be cooled.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, how about Bury's He looked good too. I don't
think i've really seen him good.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
I'm with you, Dave.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
We had a press conference with him, I don't know
two weeks ago. I didn't write a story. He looked
pretty impressive. And then they were playing today and I'm thinking,
where is he?

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Where is he?

Speaker 2 (08:59):
And then you know, one of the guys pointed out
to him, and I'm thinking, that's the same guy we
talked to, kind of a shorter, shorter ish guy, but
well built and ready. And I asked him how what
do you think? And he's gonna be good, this guy,
this team has got some talent, young talent. In fact,
I did I tell you this last week. I was
with having dinner with some people from out of town

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and one of the suns goes to school and he says,
how come they're gonna be in the top ten, right?
I'm thinking, no, no, this is way maybe in February
maybe maybe, which is perfect timing, right because they're eighteenth
fifteen right now, because you know what, other teams are
pretty damn good and this team is going to be
a young team.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
We'll see how they do, see how they gel.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
You know the guy, other guy, uh creawous look very impressive,
very impressive, moved up and down the court very well.
To me, in my mind, he looked a little thinner
or better in shape. I asked one of the guys
the reps there, and he says, I don't think he's
last weight, but he's in better shape.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Well, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
What is you know, is ball handling the skills are
and decision making That seemed to be something that kind
of held him back.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, in his first year or so. And I don't
know if you guys would agree with me. To me,
he was more like a plotter. Yeah, he wasn't that
much of a plotter. So it looks like that. That'll
maybe that's why he looked better to me, more fluid,
But he you know, he was that guy.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
He's not as much as that guy anymore.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
You know, it'll be interesting to see how then the
younger guys fit in with him. Maybe the veterans will
are used to that him playing that way, but you know,
the younger guy's gonna probably want to run, run up
and down the court, and they're not gonna want the
ball to sit down and the locos for so Tommy's
gonna have to make sure that that ball's moving and
he's gonna be part of what looks like Tommy's offense.
It's probably not gonna include throwing the ball in and

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just you know, wait, wait, wait right.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
I think it's gonna be like fifty to fifty.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Depends on the opportunity, because if you have him, why
not do that? But if you're if you're playing against
a team that can run and wants to run, go
small and they have.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
The team to do that.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
How did how did Bryce James He's not gonna play
as much, at least in my mind, he might be
nine to ten guy.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, we'll see, Maybe we'll see.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Maybe they're pretty talented and he's kind of like a
serviceable guy, maybe for the future. And I think that's
why he came here, And I think that the parents
wanted him to kind of enjoy college life and be
away from the linelight.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Can you imagine, Hey, it's Lebron's kid just walking around campus.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
That's going to be an interesting campus.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
But you know what, I think he'll blend in just
like everybody else, because unless.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
You know that, you don't know that.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I'm sure he's going to show up to some games
every soing you know, oh yeah, yeah, making a circus,
the red Blue game or whatever.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Already looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Hey, one once you go and h you see, go
talk to to see what Robino will give you a
quick quote.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, with that, I'll only even get ten feet near him.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Well, mister, he comes to the other kids' games. He
wasn't every once in a while, but they were playing
the Lakers.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
He can do it easily. So I'm sure there'll be moments.
Oh yeah, they'll be probably red blue stuff like that.
So we'll see.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
I'm sure even during uh if if Bryce gets the time,
he'll be asked postgame or even with other media in
Los Angeles. Yeah, that's what happened with uh Brownie. Brinnie
would go into a game, they'd ask him, so, how
do you look? Well, well they played for a little bit,
so the anything bad, So that's good. The thing about
it with Bronnie is he had his own PR group.

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The USC didn't handle his really. Yeah, you didn't really
see him on camera a lot. No, it was it
was it was the side. It was orchestrated.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Mm hmmm. Yeah, it's not gonna be here. He'll have
his he be part of the system here.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well that was the whole thing with I mean, changing
the subject with with Shador Sanders and his brother. You know,
they kind of controlled all the messaging coming out of college,
which now is changing because.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
It's he doesn't have the special.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
But I mean that's kind of I guess the way
college college athletes can do it these days, right.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Right, especially with those types of names, right when you're
when the dad is controlling a lot of the the narrative. Hey,
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This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera on
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Speaker 4 (17:32):
And welcome back to Ogier Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm
Steve Rivera.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
You or gave silver a lot of the controls trying
to get ahold of Mike double Lap.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
I've been a little difficulty here, calls us in a second.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Uh you cover You covered them right, you were there,
I was here. I mean he's you know, he had
just looking at his you know, even his Wikipedia page,
and I mean it's amazing the places he's coached, I mean.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
All over the world, literally, Australia.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Over I'm Australia, California, the East Coast, West Coast, Oregon
as assistant coach.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Now he's at Colorado Mesa. Mike, Is this you? Mike?

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Is this you? This would be me Mike Dunlup.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
How the heck are you? I'm here with Dave Silver.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
How are you, hi, guys? I'm doing great.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
How in the world did Mike Dunlup turn sixty eight
and me sixty one?

Speaker 4 (18:25):
All these years?

Speaker 5 (18:28):
I can't hear you either.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
I'm right around here myself.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
How you I find you? In Mesa, Colorado at Grand Junction.
You've had a storied life, man, You've had a good life.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
I'm the luckiest personal live and coaching really young kids,
and in Division two it's much simpler. So I'll just
leave it there. And uh, you know, I don't do
not have the strings and all the suffering that the
D one guys have.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well, let me say this because we're going to go
round about because I think you're one of the great
guys that I've met along the way. That year was
kind of special and in a crazy way, right because
of the situation. But you've coached at almost every level
here now in Division two you want an NBA title
with Milwaukee a few years back.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
How is it?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
How is it with the kids today and and kind
of molding and making develop and all that stuff. Compared
to that level where it seems like you just say
here's the ball and go play.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Yeah, I think at the NBA level, you manage, you
find their vulnerabilities when confidence goes, and that can go quick.
There the bear eat yue and you eat the bear.
And always you know there are some bad nights for
the stars, so you know there are going to be
some bad nights for the role players, and then you

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know you learn how in those vulnerabilities to help them,
because if you can help the NBA player, they'll listen
to you if they think that you've got good information
and you can make them better. They're all in so anyway.
And in college they're just more dependent on the educational
aspect of things, and there's not as many layers third

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party communicators be it agents or this person or that,
And you have a captive audience there on campus, so
it's rich with They're going to listen a lot of
the times, you know, And so it depends. I mean,
every every level has its challenges. But I think that

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if you're nimble, you can move from one environment another
and recognize that it's different and don't act the same way,
and see where your targets are and where you can
be most helpful, and then you have a lot of fun,
you know, and I at this level it's it is
quite rewarding and you can impact the direction of a

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young man's life.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
What is there was there a favorite place of all
the places you ben that you could just say, wow,
that place was really fun.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Things went out will right.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
Whether it's step Ben Gundi er, this guy or that guy,
high school coach, they'll always point to the window where
you won the most. Because when you wake up and
you won, the breakfast tastes different. And that's a fact.
And so like when we were at Arizona for that
short stint, we surprised everybody one by making the NC

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two A and two is making a sweet sixteen run,
and everybody was pleased because one they didn't think we
could do it in two is we surprised once we
got to the NC two a's And that was just
a great year, a lot of fun through a fair
amount of challenges. Put it that way, and my point

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is is that you know, you keep your eyes on
and your mindset the right way. What did I learn
if it wasn't a great season, and then when you
have one, you enjoy it. So my my favorite time
was Metro state because we were on a nine year run,
second to none in terms of the winning. And then
second was is that you know, you were really shaping

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and surprising people. It was a city school, they didn't
know where it was located. And we put a stamp
on the fact that we won the first national championship
in the history of the state basketball at any level.
And so that'll never change and that is very, very
very special.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
You we'll talk a little bit aout Arizona now you
came here. I don't know if you could say yea
or nay on this, but it was my impression. It
was my impression. You know, you'll be knowing what I
know and don't know. My impression that you not that
Lout hadn't picked you to be his replacement at some
point if things went well. Uh, did you have that

(22:53):
sense because of all your success, he trusted you a
lot and things just didn't work out.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
Yeah. And it was a difference between being interim and
contract and I got absolutely blasted because everyone thought I
was arrogant and had to be the head coach. They
offered me the position on an interim basis, and my
thought was recruiting and that we would have lost a
very valuable recruiting class because those kids and were five

(23:26):
star players. They would have attacked us, and they did.
When that happened and we lost those recruits, I was right,
but it came at the expense of not being the
head coach at that moment. So that's what actually happened.
They asked me to take over the chair. I said,
I want to keep the recruiting class. While I was

(23:47):
correct in that, Sean when he came in and they
picked him, had a losing season and they didn't get
to the MC two A. You know, he did a
great job, but I didn't want to suffer that because
I knew, because I was a Division two coach and all,
that I needed as much room as I could get
if we did have a lean year, and I knew

(24:10):
that those recruits were really important and they were all lost,
and that's part of the reason Sean suffered that first year. Yeah,
it was pretty clear and doesn't mean that I was right.
It just means that when Jim liven Goood came to
me and he was good enough to ask me to
take that chair, that that I said I needed, you know,

(24:32):
not to have one arm tied behind my back and
so doesn't Again, it doesn't mean I was right in
that decision. It just means that it was calculated by me.
So I became the assistant Russ Pennell. You know, I
stayed right in as the associate head coach, and Russ
took over and did a great job and we have
a lifetime friendship through that year and after certain victories.

(24:54):
When we beat Houston, I can remember as like it
was yesterday, we went and poured a cold one and
had a cigar and sat in rocking chairs and said
that was unbelievable and it was an incredible run and
it was a lot of fun. And that's what I remember.
I don't remember, you know, this out or the other
thing in Arizona. The fans, uh all the way through

(25:16):
were very good to me and my family. So you know,
I had a great time.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, So you you were very good to me, you know,
those late night talks and all that stuff, and mister philosophy,
mister philosophy, and you still do it on Twitter.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
Now, Yes, you know. I try to give information away,
and I've been lucky enough to be around some great
coaches and some people, you know, protect their information and
think that it is theirs and all that you know
that we're the consummate fees, and I think that information
should be passed on to younger coaches and coaches that

(25:50):
are interested in that kind of the thing without any
kind of money involved. And I've been doing it for
years now.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Tell us about the Milwaukee Bucks season or those couple
of seasons you were there and wrapped up. I remember
watching the games and they wait a second, isn't that
the former you coach on the sideline with Budenholzer?

Speaker 4 (26:08):
What was that?

Speaker 5 (26:09):
What was that experience?

Speaker 9 (26:10):
Like?

Speaker 5 (26:12):
It was wonderful. It was a total luck job on
my part. He called me up and asked me to
come in and help with z own and offensive rebounding
those two elements. That was my role. And also is
maybe you know, being the oldest guy on staff help
some of the assistants that they were frustrated about this
or that. So it was a it was a great

(26:32):
role that I had. A and B is nine or
less than nine months later because it was COVID. We
started the season in December. I was able to be
in a parade with three hundred thousand people and and
get a World championship ring and you know, just a
lucky duck, is what I would say. And what's not

(26:53):
to love?

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, no question to tell you. Let me do the
bad year, Charlotte year. Yeah? How was that.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
The Charlotte year?

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (27:06):
One of learning. You know, Michael Jordan was my boss.
I was over my skis in some regards as far
as you know, knowing clearly what to do. We had
poor talent. We know that it's not the Slam. Any
of those guys poor dash young and some burn up
contracts and stuff like that. It was an amalgamation of

(27:28):
a team that won seven games before we tripled the
wins they wanted, probably twenty eight to thirty wins on
the mark. There were some grumpy players because I made
them beyond time and I was very direct and how
I approached it, and I could have done better in
all of it, but I learned so much. In my mindset,

(27:49):
is what am I learning? What am I learning? And
then accountability if I fell short in any given game
or lost the game, it was on me, you know,
That's the way I looked at it. And then I
just kept growing and learning, and even though I wasn't
the coach the next year, I was very proud of
he the player's staff, and then the way we conducted ourselves.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Yeah no, what a fantastic time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
So here we are now at Colorado Mesa. Just maybe
just what's your what's your plan? How long are you
going to stay? Have you put together a pretty good roster?

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well I heard along those lines, are you retired but
not retired?

Speaker 5 (28:31):
I was retired And then the athletic director was the
athletic director at Metro State and now Joan McDermott is here.
She called me up when the job became available. We
were in retirement, my wife and Molly and I and
and we have a place in San Diego and and
you know, doing fine, Thank you very much. And then

(28:52):
she said, hey, how would you like to get the
band back together? And it was the one job where
they had season tickets here. It's a little Hoosiers is
what it is. It's a great community to love their basketball.
And it was one place in our league. We were
at Metro State where I said, man, if that job
opens up, because there's a real flavor here, only show

(29:14):
in town kind of a deal. And I said I
would take that job, and I'm glad I did so.
When we got the job May one late, there was
a line in the portal which every coach is dealing with.
So basically we had toolar eight scholarships available. So I
just got done doing a bunch of talks over in Australia.

(29:36):
That's old home week for me, and so I called
those coaches up and I said, hey, I just got
this job at Colorado Mesa. And two weeks later we
had eight Australians and so just primed to pump that way.
And then there are a couple holdovers, etc. Etc. And
last year we won our last fifteen of eighteen with

(29:58):
ten freshmen, so early we took it on the chops
and then we kind of figured out how to win
and had a great time in a fifteen team league.
We finished third outright, So it was a good first year.
I think we have better talent this year, but we
have to, you know, get the runs on the board,
and the league's very tough. So but I really like

(30:22):
coaching here. It's a fantastic job. I have fun, I
have a boss who who fortunately supports me, and here
we go.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
I was just going to say, your style must fit
them perfectly because of how your intellectual you bring the
game back to kind of its essence and fundamentals, and
they probably appreciate it greatly.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
Well, thank you for saying all the nice things that
you're saying. I appreciate it. One always step with humility. First.
Second is is that at this level you can put
your fingerprint again on style of play. We press, we trap,
we use an extended zone, will break it in demand
demand as well, but we use a spitball. We have

(31:07):
a lot of pitches, and I like to coach that way,
and I think it's the fans have taken to the style.
We're probably a little more defensive oriented in that the
complexities of what we do some people call what we
do in amba d But nonetheless is that it's served

(31:28):
us well last year and onward. Here we go and
school starts on the eighteenth. All our players are here
except for one, and he'll be here next week and
really excited.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Do you guys play the nil game at this level
or no?

Speaker 5 (31:44):
You can, Yes, we have the flexibility to do that.
But I'm one that believes that at this level the
reason you're here is equanimity. You know that. And so
if I do have some money, I want to distribute
amongst the team, and I wanted to be even steven.
That's old school, I got it. But we'll get to

(32:04):
the point where, you know, even though we know that
somebody eats a little bit more than an other on
a team where he gets more shots, we get that
clear in a hurry. But my point is that the
nil and that creates a disparity that we have not
seen yet. There's a ripple effect to all of this,

(32:26):
and you're going to see some teams implode before your
very eyes. But not all of this has played out.
And as we know, the other part of the downside
of nil, and everybody admits that it can't sustain itself,
you know, over the long haul financially, you know, and
that means can't mean not necessarily for the football team

(32:47):
of the basketball team, men, but there's going to be
some programs that they can't afford to fund anymore. And
it's happening before our very eye. And the first sign
is university's closing their doors. You're going to see it
in the next five years. And the tipping point is
what is going to go on here? Hey, happy, happy,

(33:08):
but you know, the contracts have to come into play.
Other teams have to play pay for poaching your players.
All of the thing's going to evolve. It's like the
invention of the model T. There was the original and
then as it evolved, the thing changed. Well, Nil and
the Portal are very much revolutionary and at the face

(33:29):
of it, will not be in five years what it
is today.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, no, I totally agree agree with you, especially the
equity that each player should get. And I talk about
this a lot at the beginning of the show, maybe
five years ago, with if the center is getting X
amount of money, fifty thous the quarterbacks getting X. I mean,
how can you how can you do this and make
it all equal? I block for this guy behind me,
and what am I getting now?

Speaker 5 (33:52):
Steve? It sets in adroit point. And then the real
life example is that the very example you use, said
quarterback comes in his payment's laid. He says something in it, Coach,
He says, hey, you're going to get your two point
five million. Now you've got your left guard. Okay, not
a sexy position, but if you don't have that left guard,

(34:12):
you're in deep doo doo. We both know that. And
so he's getting fifty Let's say he's getting four hundred
and fifty. Let's say he's getting seven fifty. There's a
disparity there. He comes into your office and you're going
to put a band aid on your words to him.
You're going to avert your eyes, you're going to lie
to him, You're going to do something. And then it

(34:33):
creates this kind of thing that that say, certain super
coaches are bounding out be at Alabama or be at
Texas A and M, or wherever where they're getting the
hell out of it because they know. And Jay Wright
is one of those that said, hey, in all Earns
b I'm seeing something that's got warts all over it.

(34:55):
Now my words, and some booster be sitting out, Oh,
you're old school, you don't accept that's true. I'm just
saying that as somebody who's thought it through to a degree,
discuss with other people that when you go to the
final four steed the suffering in Division one, men and
women all right across the land Division one dealing with

(35:18):
this problem. It has nothing to do with values, It
has nothing to do with trust, It has nothing to
do with you know, win one for the Gipper, It
has nothing to do with hey, brotherhood. And now the
left guard is looking and going. You're preaching brotherhood and
that dude right there who just through three interceptions is

(35:40):
getting two five? Where are they going? And everything's the
discussion on money. It's sick. Yeah, it's absolutely sick.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Totally agree with you, totally go ahead, meantech, maybe a
little bit a little more innocent is where you are
and at right now?

Speaker 4 (35:52):
And we notice this in your roster. You've got a
couple of Tucson guys.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Absolutely, they come from a thirty five and one team.
So Brian Peabody head coach. So when you you know,
one of your criterias is recruit winning, whether they come
from junior high, high school or whatever. Now a guy's
going to take a gamble on a guy who's been
in a lot of trouble and he throws them in
the middle of his group. Well, you're chasing trouble.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yes, let me ask you this. Oh, I know you're
I think highly of Kelvin.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
All the time.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Kelvin's Bill of Kansas, a buzz at Texas and m
Do you know much of Tommy and his pedigree and
all that stuff?

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Have you met him before?

Speaker 5 (36:35):
One of the smartest guys going because he studies the game,
and he was using some counters and stuff off iverson
cuts before they were fashionable and now they're in hacks
and they're they're My only point was is that he
always kept his eyes on Euroball and the euro coaches

(36:55):
are really, really good, so he was extrapolating certain things.
That also very smart in his recruiting that he would say, Okay,
if you come to Gonzaga at the time where he was,
he says, not only is it a great place for
you in terms of here's our resume, but also as
you're familiar with the euro coach because we use a

(37:19):
lot of what you're coming from and how you were trained.
So that was powerful. But getting back to who he
is is that he's smart, he knows how to recruit,
and he's really palatable. He has a low ego level,
he's easy to be around. So those are the three things.
I don't know him, but I watched him operate and
it was always from my chair to Tommy Lloyd was

(37:42):
respect and if you look, you know he would still
be at Gonzaga. But to turn down the Arizona job
and wait for Mark who's still there, you know, he said, well,
you know it's probably a smart thing for me to
take a big swing at Arizona. Well look what he's doing.
So yeah, I just think he's tremendous. So that's that's

(38:03):
where I stand on that, Dave.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
I'm not sure I have another one, but Mike is
well read, as we probably know, and he speaks, well,
what's your latest book and what's your book recommendations? I
think you gave me one sixteen years ago. I don't
know if I picked it up or not. Did you
ever finish it?

Speaker 5 (38:21):
I have three books going and I just finished Carlo
and Siloti. And he is a famous soccer coach and
he wrote a book called Quiet Leaderships, about three hundred
and twenty six pages, and it is a beauty because
he's known as a player's coach and all those tenants

(38:42):
to go along with that, and how he approached being
fired a lot he got, you know, he would win
the eurocupied when this, but they fire all those guys
within two or three years, that's just the way it is.
And how he handled that and went on. It's a
wonderful book. And then the second one Ryan Holiday recommendation

(39:02):
Marcus Aurelius Meditations, and that's delicious I'm a stoics kind
of guy. Whether it's a picket is or it's this
stoic or that. I just try to pull things out
that lead to Brad Stevens behavior on the sideline. So
I'm coaching at LMU. People are saying he's not emotional enough.
It's not this one is be who you are. But

(39:25):
two is is that keep your emotions under control? As
John Cheney used to say, is it's funny how those
coaches that sweat through their suits are running up and
down when a guy does something great and the fans
are in there, But what do you do when a
guy just turns the ball over twice? Low five of them?
I love that. And you know, when Chaney was alive

(39:47):
and he said that, he made me laugh. Because my
point is that as you grow, you look at a
Bill Jackson, or you look more contemporary. When Brad Stevens
was on the sideline, I don't think anybody had more
of a higher EQ than him. I mean, the way
he comported himself, it was attractive to all, you know.

(40:11):
And so my point is that Marcus Aurelius and all
of those aphorisms, all of those ideas philosophically are about
how to grow your eq, how to be more mature
about the decisions that you make. And then I'm finishing
up on the Revenge of the Tipping Point by Gladwell.

(40:31):
So there it is. Those are the three hot ones
for me.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
That's yes, okay, text me those if you can have time,
because I know you're too busy of a man.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
The season starts what November, mid November.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
We have scrimmages in October and at I think the
tenth eleventh right in there were at Dallas Baptist's Top
ten program and we're at their place for and St. Edwards.
We play those two lone star good their place. Here
we go, let's let's see what we can do.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Great.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Great, and also airbnb your San Diego place for me
down the road.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Mike is always great to talk to you. You know,
you're one of my favorite guys.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
Guys. I hope that I wasn't too flatlined here, and
I hope I wasn't too boring. And you guys are going,
oh my god, he just threw it down. But now
you know, it's a pleasure to be on and I
think it's a privilege, So thank you.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I only had to google two words, so I'm good
to your fancy words, all right. See, thank you, Mike,
appreciate the time. Great like smart dude, smart dude, you
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Speaker 2 (45:53):
Hey, welcome back to one on the ball here Fox
Sports Portion fifty Young Steve Rivera, you're Dave Silver. We've
got one nut controls. We can take the call or
we get about five minutes. We went along because it
was kind of good.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
It was good. I liked it. He's a good dude.
This a smart guy.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Yeah, I mean you could just sit there and talk
about you know, coaching and kids and philosophy and book
book recommendation.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
That's funny because when we were on the road, he
was the associate head coach. He was kind of sirah
and no divergie of the teams, right because Russ was
the was the head coach kind of and he was
the associate head coach. But he kind of took up,
like he said, and I was I created I think
he said he acknowledged that I was right right in
terms of the future of the program was probably gonna
be him.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Then it all fell apart. Yeah, it was an interesting time.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
I mean, let's face it, we I don't think anybody
really knew what was gonna happen over those couple of years. Yeah,
who you know who was going to be the coach?
Who was gonna is Kevin O'Neil gonna, you know, come
back and you know that kind of blew up. I mean,
it was just a strange few years. It was a
couple of years A settled with with Sean being hired. Yeah,
really right, right, But I mean you can't deny Mike

(47:00):
Dunlap's resume and the experience. And he's been coaching seriously
for like forty five years basically some coming out of college.
And he's all over the world Australia, number of big schools,
small schools of NBA. So I mean, if you want
to learn basketball, I'm sure he's got a lot to
talk about.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Sure, sure, no question. I didn't know he was. His
home was in San Diego. I thought he's still be
in Colorado.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
But well now he's back in college in Colorado and
live in Grand Junction, first place in San Diego. Yeah,
and then yeah, winter's in college. That's that's gonna be
a tough little travel league too.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah, no question, because it's you go to New Mexico,
you do all these things in that rocky mountain region, right.
Grand Junes is not as bad. It's kind of like
in a valley. It's kind of like Denver. It's just
kind of gets cold and then it gets you know,
you know, you're you're well aware. It's winter, spring, summer
all in one day.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Right, But yeah, I mean just the bouncing around from
you know, road trip to road trip.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
You know, I don't know his buses.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
I don't know if I can't imagine them flying too
much with the school that size.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
No, especially now, I didn't realize it was Division two.
Let us more like well division two. Yeah, yeah, makes sense.
Anybody want to call it five to two O four sety,
We'll take your quick call. On the other side, we're
gonna have breaking news from Juan Yeah, yep. And then
at four seventeen, we are gonna have Chick Cold Pepper

(48:13):
from the Washington Post talk about college football, and then
have open lines. Uh why, And I are going to
race to a sporting event after this, a little seminar
get together, step together, Yeah, with all the local sports
uh programs in town? Oh really yeah, kind of like
all the big well, you know, all the big stuff.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
The it was.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
On a bowl and the sugar schools put on a
group a group I know Blake. Oh, the chamber, one
of the chambers, maybe Good County.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Hello, you're on there. Nine a while.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Who's this local?

Speaker 6 (48:50):
Steve?

Speaker 15 (48:51):
This is done? How you doing?

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Fye? How are you?

Speaker 2 (48:53):
We got you got a few minutes. You always call
it this time. You call it this time, and you
you're the one that gets us out of here.

Speaker 15 (49:00):
Okay, Well, that was a great talk with with coach done.
That That was that was That was pretty good. It
seems like a very interesting guy. But the reason I'm
calling is I want to know who was that blasphemer?
Yesterday they called Arizona basketball Boise State?

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Well was it? What did you say? Oh?

Speaker 3 (49:23):
I said that Arizona is the equivalent to where Boise
State is in football, in college football.

Speaker 15 (49:31):
Yeah, that's no, no, no, no, Gonzaga's Boise State. Arizona's not
boys of State.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
You had asked, what's whereas Arizona basketball?

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Right?

Speaker 3 (49:43):
In college basketball? You said, Florida, Florida.

Speaker 15 (49:48):
Boise State has never spent any time in the number
one spot. They've never won a national championship. They never
They've never won anything except for whatever league they used
to be in. They want Nash no championships as a
as a junior college and then an A I.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
A school and everything else.

Speaker 15 (50:06):
They've done a good job of growing up. But that
that that, in my opinion, is a bad comparison.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
I did, I didn't, I think, But yeah, I agree
with you.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
There's there's no there's no surprise that Steve wasn't listening
to me.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Let's make that clear.

Speaker 15 (50:22):
You know, he's he he's like the teacher up there.
He's not always he's he's probably he's probably dozing off
at the time, you know, But that's me today. No,
that's it, that's.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
You.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Would you still hold by it? Yes, Okay, he's gonna
hold by it. I said Florida. I said Florida.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
I mean Florida's one championship. But this is basketball to
Florida's football.

Speaker 15 (50:53):
Okay, we're comparing, Yeah, comparing Arizona basketball to a football program, you'd.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Have to be one of those.

Speaker 15 (51:02):
Maybe not the elitist of SEC schools I think would
be where Arizona would be comparing basketball to football, but
you know, somewhere between Texas and Texas A and M.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, don, thanks for calling and thanks for listening to one,
because I'm sure you're the only one.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
Well I was like, what.

Speaker 15 (51:26):
Blast spheamer, we could have that one.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
We gotta have that. Thanks a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 13 (51:32):
Good.

Speaker 15 (51:33):
Hey, good talking to you guys. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
A good one though, I got to think about that
for a minute. Yeah, what the best to just pull
that right out on the top of your head. We
were talking about we were all talking about that.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
In my eyes, it was kind of similar to their
well known program in that sport, not a lot of accolades.
Arizona has the championship over Boise State, but they're consistently
within the top twenty five. They have good years, but
maybe don't have the hardware to show for.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
I see that, but but I'm done.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
I mean, Airsona Basketball's produced so many players. I mean
Boise stated, you know, every now and again, every once
in a while. That's why I said Florida. I don't
know if you would agree with that's football wise, football.
I think Dun's right.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
It's one of those SEC teams that are kind of
right there on the cusp.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
But well, but they've had championships football with.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Urban Meyer Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I
think they think more of themselves than they're really worth. Yeah,
that's kind of where I was going. Maybe even Florida State. Yeah,
another one, you know, another one that's.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, maybe if every once in a while that might be
more accurate. Let's take a break, let's go and come
back on this