Hour 1- August 13, Michael Guymon

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to I on the Wall
here out of Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera,
and today with me is Blake Eager. But he's not
here yet, soon to be Blake eager, soon to be
not that eager, He says, there's a second time he's
have to run. Lapse two weeks in a row. Well
walk collapse because you know, I don't think he runs.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I don't think anyone runs, not ones, not anybody that
run works for me.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I think maybe Ray. No, he dried it and he stopped.
So wait, lift He's a lover, not a fighter. He's
not a friend. The real thing is that he could
if he wanted to. We all could if we wanted to.
I don't know. I don't know about that. What are
you talking about? Me with the with the egster pains
geared up the stairs? So was it? Oh, the good

(01:04):
old rust. It's gonna have momentum going down the stairs. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it is what it is out here at the Fox
Sports fourteen fifty. Welcome to Wednesday. Show should be interesting.
We're gonna have an eclectic type show. You probably don't
even know who we're having on. Uh no, I did
see it. I don't remember. Yeah, we're gonna have Coach

(01:27):
Stugs from Oh, yes, I did see that. I did
see that. She's at four seventeen. She's great. Yeah, she was.
Do you see her yesterday? She was cool yesterday. She
always has that enthusiasm, Yeah, smile on her face. Yeah.
And then we're gonna have the guy who kind of
put together the yesterdays of the sports Festival at Gentleman's,
Michael Geiman from the Chamber of Southern Arizona. We had

(01:50):
what's his name on the other day. What's his name?
What's his name? Describe him? He was there yesterday. Oh
was it for uh two song baseball team?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
No, no, no, it was soon to be. Oh man,
come on, come on, I'm sorry. I know you're listening,
and I know I'm gonna batch the name, so okay,
it'll come to me. It always comes. It was gonna come.
Is going to be about the past it John Schones,

(02:25):
John Shoones. The second second he's with the chamber two
and he's help put that team together. It was a
nice event. You were there, it was you're you're like me?
You were Annekins. Yeah, well, I mean you know what
I'm t I kind of got stuck in the corner. Yeah,
and then I was just listening. Yeah, that's all. And
we don't know. You don't know anybody really to say hello.

(02:46):
And how aren't.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
You you want to say hello to me? You were like,
because you know, I don't know you yet, you know, Yeah,
you're you're hidden commodity exactly. And then I just said
hello to certain people and I didn't want a prize.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
You did. You're gonna go to old Tu song. I
haven't been there forever. Yeahs old oh oh yell, faithful,
old everything everything. That's where the rust is. It's the rust,
it's the dust, it's everything. Yes, I have never been there.
It's pretty cool. I'll be like going. And I'm not

(03:18):
a Halloween guy. I love going during their Halloween event. Yeah, yeah, okay,
because it's not too scary for a twenty five year old. Yeah,
I'm I don't like I don't like scary stuff. Halloween
is not my thing. You did like Louisville. That's scary enough. Yeah,
I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna. I'm not here to
talk about Louisville. That's behind me. But Friday the thirteenth.

(03:40):
M hmmm, they're talking about worse than that. But but
but but regardless, Old Tucson is a great place to visit. Yeah, okay,
I've never been there for a show. I've been there
for like an Elant or something, but nothing, So I'm
looking forward to that. Thanks everybody. I like, uh, I
like when the Athletics get into they kind of partner
with Old Tuson. You know, Baseball had their their photo

(04:01):
shoot their last year. You had rich Rod have a
couple of deals over there.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, how'd that go? I think that they had a
they went bowling? Who oh that year Richard?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah? Was that his final year? That was one of
the final years. No, when they played Boston College that
was that was his second year really when they shot
the stuff on him and we're in the Cowboy guard. Yeah,
all the players. What was the year they did the
cars six fifteen because Scooby was still there? Yeah, how
did that go? I guess they still went bowling? Yep,

(04:35):
so we gave your lives. They went bullying. They went
said bowling. What day was that? The Thursday? And they
went bowling. They wouldn't. Okay, I get it. So we'll
have that. Once my guy here comes, Blake, we'll talk
about yesterday's Evan. He was kind of in the background
to him and his wife. Yeah, but I'm sure Tommy,
Tommy and all the coaches Brett Brennan, uh stops. I

(05:00):
I there was one thing that was say yesterday that
I I agree with. That that was said, Yeah, Uh,
I don't I don't know his name, I don't remember,
am I the main guy speaking? Oh no, all you
hang Yeah, he said that this is a time uh
in Arizona Athletics where the coaching lineup, coaching lineup is

(05:23):
as good as it's been in a while, in a while. Yeah,
uh you possibly possibly, but we could go Yeah, because
you had kindle, you had lout, you had you kindled loot,
you had told me, and uh tell me, and who
else would you put up there? Kendrea? Yeah, yeah, you

(05:44):
put anywhere. That's pretty good. And then you know Frank Bush, Yeah,
you know that's a heck of a mount Rushmore. Actually
that could be the bunt Rushmore. Even if you had
five coaches coaches Mount Rushmore, who would you who would
you leave off for?

Speaker 1 (05:57):
That?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Is that him coming in? Well you different?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Stuff is changing nowadays. There could be a fifth one attitude.
Who knows it is?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Let go there? You know it, let go there? Uh yeah,
so yeah, will I talk to the gymnastics coach Jim Court? Yeah,
Jim Court before I left, a good guy, obviously, all
these guys, all these people are good guys. But talked
about this this era to your point, Yeah, has a
lot or a good chance to be like those mid

(06:26):
nineties early two thousands when things were really humming and
doing really well. It's gonna take some work. Like he said,
the teams need to start finishing the top twenty five,
start doing well, getting to the playoffs, all that stuff.
We'll start here now with the volleyball team, and the
football team has a real good chance. Well yeah volleyball, Yeah,
won't talk about it. And they have their they have
their And I want to use that word momentum something Saturday.

(06:50):
Oh okay, I believe soccer I think starts the first
game stirst tomorrow. Yeah, well we're gonna I want to
ask her about momentum, whether she believes in it or not,
because I think we'll see if they can use that momentum.
In your words, I think it's a run. They had
a nice run at the end too. They started off twelve. Oh,
they finished twelve and oh that that is something to
consider going into this season. Oh last year, yeah, oh,

(07:13):
that's year they started that way.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, they started twelve and oh they went up and
down in big twelve play. Yeah, and then they I
think there was that upset against Kansas that sparked that
end of the season run.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah. So that's the end of the season run, right,
that end of the season momentum. Yeah. I've been very
careful how I go about that word. Yeah, yeah, yea, yeah,
but you understand what Thanks to you. Yes, yes, that's
two people I've convinced. That's good. I just got to
do the rest of the world because every game is

(07:43):
this season. I asked you, I'll ask you off there
again about your thoughts about the business that we're in.
But you know, he's already late. He's got to run
a lot. Anybody else give you impressions that you really
liked from yesterday? Yeah, Tommy spoke all the coaches spoke
except for you'll, it wasn't there. Uh there, Uh Clancy Shields.

(08:05):
Oh yeah, yeah. I think that's why he's one of
the better coaches. He obviously he's he's still somewhat in
the early off season for his sport, but he's still
paying attention to players that are already gone. Colton Smith
possibly one of the one of, if not the best
tennis player to come out of it. Probably, Yeah, I
wouldn't even know exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
And he says, uh something about the US Open he's
playing this weekend next weekend.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Uh, just I care. It's hard. It's hard to find
that in any coach in any sport. What makes a
good coach?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I think that he puts his players before anything else.
I think maybe professionally it's a little bit different because well, this,
let me ask you, is because it was more of
a business.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Now I'm I'm doing a story on Brent Brennan and
I'm speaking in tomorrow. But we've talked about this with
with Blake, who's late. What are the qualities of a
good coach?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Like I said, he cares about his players more than
the game itself.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
But he pushed you to be better. Yeah, well that's
what that's what they have to do. If they don't
do that, they're not very good.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
I also think that or you have a generational talent, right,
But you're not just gonna put him out there because
he's so good at that stuff. You're gonna push him
to where maybe he's lacking in certain areas, or push
them to do something that they can to be better.
You're always finding something that no one's ever perfect. And
I think that's what the coach is there for, to

(09:34):
remind them, Hey, yeah, you can hit from thirty feet out,
but can you make a free throw?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah? Right, right right. It's funny because we talked about this,
I think not too long ago with with the Sean
Elliott and lut And started to go back to him
a lot because that's all I know where he he well,
it was like Bobby Knight. Have you seen the Bobby
Knight thing when you got on Michael Jordan and he butt.
It was like for the Olympics or something. You got
on Michael Jordan, pulled him side and says you need

(10:01):
to be a better defender, YadA YadA, and Jordan said,
I was so good at it. Coaching so fast that
you didn't see it. You didn't see it. But what
the Knight did in the locker room with him was
he got on his on his butt. You're getting after
the best player on the team. Where is that the bus?
You know? Yeah, because you have to set those examples,

(10:25):
whether they're true or not, because you know, he probably
just doing it because he wanted to set that example.
I'm gonna get on you, you know, be in on this,
but I got to get on you so they get
the other people's attention.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, and it's it's that's part of the profession, right right,
there's a lot of top player online is a really
fine line to walk. You had a lot of tricks
and trades because like like a player like Lebron right
and the eyes of the public, he's had a lot
of freedom. You cay call him let GM. Yeah, but
he's not. You want to push him to still still
be that example. But can you how long have you been?

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I asked you this coach this question all the time
about years being a coach. Coach coach, like a coach
at a good level. How many years for me?

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, give me the highest level eight to for like
ten years?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Of the national national teams. National teams, okay, and you
had your your team, right, you're good and they're all
good players.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah, you have to go around the country and then
you had to scout them, did you did you have
to get on your top players? Uh not, I listen.
I didn't take the approach of doing it in the
front of the rest of the team, but private conversations,
taking them out to dinner, setting them down, setting an example.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
What age are they?

Speaker 4 (11:36):
I mean they're grown men. Their national talks right, Junior
national team a little bit different, twish. I mean some
of my older guys were thirty eight. Oh really yeah,
some of my older guys were older than me.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah. And that's was that hard?

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Uh yeah at times and just figuring it out.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I mean you had to lead by example. Did you
know that they were saying in their head, shut the
hell up, I do know what I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
No, I think they were pretty bought in. I mean,
vets know what they're supposed to do in the responsibilities.
That's why, you know, from a coaching standpoint, like once
saying with Lebron, like his job to control the clubhouse,
Like if somebody gets out on line, it's not the
head coach's job to get that guy back in mine.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
If the Vets aren't doing it and you've lost, you've
lost the clubhouse lost, or you haven't even got for
the for the coaches view, Yeah, you probably haven't even
don't even have.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Well, we talked about this a whole time on the show.
Is that NBA is a perfect example. I mean, yesterday
that turnover on a coaching standpoint, how do you set
you know, we were talking about with Brennan a little
bit yesterday with coach Brennan, like you need some runway
to establish what your program is going to be and
who you are totally. When was this conversation? I think

(12:38):
right after you guys left. Okay, oh you stayed, Yeah,
we stayed. I was just asking one what happened to you?
I thought you hit the exit door stage. We went
in the back and I grabbed some people that I
don't like and yelled at him in front of everybody.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
That was part of his discussion when he first got
to the Big twelve. You know, I had to kiss
a little butt here. But now I don't but the
runway of okay, I know, I know I learned some stuff.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, now I have well you know that, and I
was guilty of doing this as well. Where you're you're
a people pleaser, right, so you try to please everybody
and you get away from who you are at the core,
and that third year you go, I don't give an
f like, this is my program.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Now we're gonna rik my way.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
If I'm gonna lose, I'm gonna lose with my guys,
my coaches, and my my way.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Give me that pen real quick. You want to autograph? No, no, no, no,
I want to write that down because I think that
many coaches, young coaches and just good guyde coaches fall
victim to that people pleasers and guess what, they don't
turn out to be good coaches.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
No.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
I mean, there's value, there's so much value in saying no,
and there's respect in saying no because that person that
you're discussing with, for the most part, you understand that
they have the ability to do something on their own
at a high level, right, And it's just it's it's
a it's a difficult conversation to have, it's a difficult
position to be in. But for coach Brandon, going you
know to the Big twelve in the circumstance that he

(14:02):
did in the timeframe that he did. It must have
been really difficult those first three four months. Oh yeah,
I think he admitted that. Yeah, and you're trying to
now you're trying to establish a program, but you're also
starting to establish community. You're also trying to establish a
rapport with we'll just call it upper management athletic department.
And then you know, you take a step back and
you go, I wasn't able to implement what I wanted

(14:23):
to more than twenty five percent, maybe thirty percent. And
you're relying on new coaches that they don't know you
that well, you don't know them that well, and it's
just not as hands on as you want to be.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
What was your question, I know what you said, you
said that, who said this clenchy shield? Yes to say
what you said that, that's the care that he has
for players that are even the era that we're in. Oh,
that was a the okay, Yeah, that this is a
time and there was an athletic step. There might not

(14:54):
be a better lineup of coaching right now. Yes, coach
when he said that yesterday about.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Character, right, they recruit on character, and I think you
see it at every single level right now, at you
have a athletics I mean, we know with Tommy, he's
recruiting character almost as much as he's recruiting skill level.
And you could tell that, you can tell good that's
what you want in the program, right you know. I
mean you sell your soul for a five star recruit
and that five star wars destroys a clubhouse and it

(15:23):
doesn't it doesn't work. There's there's a point in time
in college athletics, pro maybe not as much that you
have to say he might be the best player on
the team, but he's going to destroy other people.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
But I have all seen this where coaches who have
the biggest egos, especially the goals, think I can change it,
I can change him, I can fix this, I can
do that. But you've seen it. Oh yeah, yeah all
the time. Yeah, Okay, let's take a break, come back
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Breaking down all the uses and ohs. This is I
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Speaker 2 (20:15):
Fifty Hey, welcome back to on the ball here of
Fuck Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve Rivera, and today with
these break gager we've got one at the controls here
and now on the phone, we have Michael Gaymond from
the Chamber of Southern Arizona. Michael, how you doing.

Speaker 12 (20:32):
I'm doing great today, Steve, Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I thought you might call him sick. You had a
nice event yesterday, and why not just take a couple
of days off and say, look at us, we did
a good job.

Speaker 12 (20:42):
No, are you kidding me? Events like that energize me.
That gives me superpowers. To walk into that room and
see all those happy, smiling faces and all the coaches
and all the great sports teams that we have in
this region. That gives me powers.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I loved it. Yeah, well, this is my first time
going there. This is the second time. Second time. Second time.
I was expecting something totally different, given that I wasn't
knowing what to say or what to do. But great crowd,
obviously the players, the significant players timy Lloyd's of the
world were there. Uh and just it was more than
a hello, kiss your babies and shake your hands and

(21:19):
blah blah blah. It was. It was. It was nice.
It was not that that's not nice, but it was
it was more than that.

Speaker 12 (21:26):
I appreciate you saying that, Steve. This is a great
event for us to really showcase all of the teams,
all the sports that we have in this region. And
now I say that because I know there are gonna
be some there. I'll say, well, wait, wait, what about
the Sorrows, What about the the TV Community College baseball team?
There are some teams that aren't there, and we can

(21:47):
certainly expand it the future years to include that. But yeah,
it's really recognizing all the professional sports that we have
in this region and the University of Arizona. But it's
also a really good way, as we try to do
as a bus this organization, to make sure that our
members are also getting connected to these players, getting connected

(22:09):
to these coaches, getting connected to each other so that
they can do business with one another. I actually heard
one of my staff members came out to me and
they said, one of our members has been for months
now trying to get in touch with a certain individual.
That individual was there at the meet at the mixer.
They were able to sit down at that mixer and

(22:32):
connect and do and put business together. I mean, that's
what this is all about. So it's more than just
an event celebrating our sports. It's also a way for
our businesses to connect and do business.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
With one another.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
I mean, Michael's absolutely right. So I took.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
I mean, we had Victor Junior, Victor Coils Junior, and
Bob Hoffman, who's the president of the two Sound road Runners,
and they'd been trying to meet and had been missing
each other for a couple of weeks, and they were
able to do it yesterday, yesterday's event. I just think
it's great, you know, Michael, I've said this to you,
and I've said this to you Steve too. But the
ability to have not only an event of that stature,
but the ability to have conversations with all these different people.

(23:07):
It's not like it's a roped off area. They come in,
say they're five minute spiel and then leave. It's they're
they're hanging out with everybody. So and Tommy Lloyd, it's
a Tommy Lloyd's of the world, it's coach Brennan, it's
you know, Oli Farhaning, like all these people that maybe
some people wouldn't otherwise have a chance to talk to
in public form.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Right, and don't feel not trapped what they feel cordial
not to say, spend or spend some time with you.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Dan having normal conversations, right. I mean, that's that's a
great thing. And I think from the business community, uh
to a you know, from the sporting community to the
business community, that's a that's a great crossover.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Michael, Oh yeah, sorry, So let me let me say
this to you too. It was such a great event
and this is your second one. This may be I'm
just spitballing here and you can say, you know, I
don't want your spitball but have you thought about doing
this more often? And I know it's accommodating. It's not
accommodating to all those sports because they have stuff to

(24:04):
do and practice to get to and they're busy people.
I use that in quotes because they're not always busy,
but you know, to do it more often to get
the word out, if that makes any sense.

Speaker 12 (24:15):
Yeah, it's a good question, Steve. I would say at
this point, because we have other events where we're really
also trying to educate our investors on various aspects of
business and various aspects of the community. We don't want
to drown people out. You know, I'm sure you've also
seen this. You certainly see this as a sports world

(24:36):
where there are a lot of sports and people they
have to kind of sometimes pick and choose. Well, it's
no different in our industry where we also want to
make sure that we're not putting out too many events
out there where people start picking and choosing. We want
to make sure that the ones that we have are
super impactful. So to have this at this point in

(24:57):
time once a year has worked out really well off
for us most.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Makes total sense.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
And Michael, you guys you can talk about a little
bit when I'm done here, but you have a good
morning event that you've brought out well. Myself, Chip Hale
and I have both been out there to speak, so
you do have more than just this event from a
business community and from a sports community. But I think
you're absolutely right with what you're saying. How do you

(25:22):
how do you how do you get to this point
and how did you get to this point before last
year saying this is this is something the community needs, Like,
what was your thought process there?

Speaker 12 (25:32):
Well, what's actually interesting, Blake, is that this event has
taken many forms over the years. I actually first worked
for the Chamber of Commerce in nineteen ninety seven, so
I was at the Chamber of Commerce Toosi Chamber of
Commerce in nineteen ninety seven, did a whole bunch of
other things, and then came back to the Chamber seven
years ago. But when I was with the Chamber in
ninety seven, we actually had a you have a football

(25:55):
kickoff lunch, but it was very specific to the football team,
and it was very specific timed so that it would
get people riled up the about the football season coming.
And that luncheon went on for a number of years
and then it went away, and then the Chamber kind
of brought it back in the form of a of
a mixer, but it was still very University of Arizona centric.

(26:19):
So that's why we just had some members. And it's
no surprise we had you, we had the road Runners,
we had then the Sugar Skulls. I mean they were
coming to us and saying, look, we're members of this organization.
We want some spotlight as well, and so we said
we should do that. Let's change it from a University

(26:41):
of Arizona centric mixer to a Tucson sports mixer that
can include the University of Arizona athletics and all the
other teams that make up our sports ecosystem here. And
you're right to point out too, Blake, that yes, we
do have other events and we can incorporate the sports
into those other events. So that's another way that we

(27:03):
can sort of tackle what you were talking about, Steve,
where maybe we spread this out throughout the year, but
we use some of our other events to do that individually.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
No question. One of the things is that I can
appreciate here and I do a lot of I don't
know if bitching is the right word or just pointing
out that's bitching. Okay, okay, you use that word. Not
fine with that being a matter of fact, Michael. These
people that were in that building, that were grateful to
be there, they need that help because guess what, they

(27:32):
need people to go watch their games. It's the lifeblood
of who they are and how they're going to survive.
In the last few years, it hasn't been accommodating. I've
been here thirty seven years, and if God strike me
down with the lightning, if I'm telling them a here,
they need people in the stands, they need people to
be enthused. They need all that. Whether they're not doing

(27:52):
it for themselves or whatever, they need help doing it
they do.

Speaker 12 (27:58):
Steve, I really appreciate that point because I was, and
Blake knows this well. I was the official score for
the Tucson Padres the three years they were here in Tucson,
between two thousand and eleven and twenty thirteen, and there
was one night where I counted two hundred. I was
able to hand count two hundred people in the dam.

(28:19):
And when people come up to them and they say,
oh Jesus, too bad that we lost the Padres to
l pass. So I'm like, I counted two hundred people
in the stand. Yeah, that's why.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
No question. People have all the answers, but they but
they don't even know the questions right because they didn't
They don't know. They don't know, they don't go, they
don't know, they don't see until this is what just happened. Well,
you never attended this a bit, sir. I'm going to
ask that's right. I need.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
I'm going to ask Michael before we get off the call,
because Michael's going to come on more often because we
can talk baseball, I know. But to me, and you've
been here a long time, Michael Steve, you've been here
a long time. One you're from here like I am.
It feels different right now than it has in the past.
It feels like, and you hate saying the world momentum,

(29:10):
but it feels like it's a different feeling in our
community from a sports standpoint than I can ever remember.
There's a lot of positive effect, there's a lot of
different changing happening of the Guard and people that want
these things here. Do you feel the same way, Michael, I.

Speaker 12 (29:26):
Do, Blake, And I think, you know, like I said,
the Padres left in twenty thirteen, so that's twelve years ago.
But I think in those twelve years, we've added the
road Runners, We've added the Sugar Skulls, We've added you know,
we're gonna have the new Mexican baseball team here starting
on October. I think that just adds to the mix,

(29:47):
and it allows people to really diversify their sports mix,
and you know, they're now able to go to professional
ice hockey games. They're now able to go to professional
indoor hot or sorry Football league games, So there's there's
a different mix, and I think that's given people a
greater incentive and motivation to attend these And I think

(30:11):
what what's in with us is as well, Blake is
I think the owners are also doing a better job
of providing greater entertainment value. It's not just that you're
going to see the game, You're also going there for
an experience, and I think the owners realize that and
they're doing a much better job of creating that for.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
The fans and being part of the community. But I
don't you know, I never saw I never saw front
office or ownership on in the community, and maybe I
was looking for at that point. But now you see
they're here, they're all downtown, they're all in Tucson, they're
at these events. They want to be talked to, they
want to be they want to start these conversations. I
think that's a big that's a big difference for our community.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
We got to go. We don't want to get you
in trouble.

Speaker 12 (30:55):
Well, thank you all very much.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I agree with Blake, you got to come on more
often we'll shoot the breeze and kind of solve the
world's problem.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Yeah, Michael would be a good person to have when
we're talking about how to streamline communication or different parts
of communication. I think he would add a lot to
that conversation. So thank you Michael, Thank you guys.

Speaker 12 (31:14):
I really enjoyed it. And call it any time.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Than early five minutes. Well, we're not going to take
a break right now, we'll hang on for a little
while later. Good, good, good interview. Yeah, because he's one
of the guys that we talk about all the time,
pulling the rope to make something happen. Yeah, and there's
a lot of there was a lot of ropes last night,
or one big rope with a lot of people pulling it.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, and it's just going to continue to gain ground.
And what Michael said is the key you know where
and I felt this, you felt that we've all probably
felt this here that you're like, well they didn't include
me the you know, it's like, well okay, but it's
a starting point, right, it's a growth sector. Like instead
of taking it as a negative, what can we do
more next year?

Speaker 2 (31:53):
How do we go into this?

Speaker 4 (31:54):
And you know, you brought up this point and I've
been kicking around this idea from our standpoint of our
our our film chair does this and they do a
great job at Film two soon of this where they
have a monthly mixer for the film community and they
move it to different partnerships and different areas. I think
we should do the same thing with with the sporting community. Right,
So you have PEMA Community College, you have all a
professional sports, you have uve once a month. It goes

(32:17):
to different partners So now you're engaged in the business community,
but you're also from a fan engagement. You're not just
creating people that are buying tickets and going to the games.
You're creating additional marketing because those people are going to
go out in the community and go, man, you missed
a great game, Like we missed a great Soros game
the other night, and they won a championship, and we
don't talk about it, which is kind of ridiculous, right,
and we have our own viewpoints of what that, but

(32:38):
always just gonna mention that it's a championship for Tucson. Right,
it's a bit, it's a it's a deal, it's a
big you have to not have, right, yeah, absolutely, In fact,
we did. We forgot about it yesterday, right, Yeah, well
once we the show was over, I'm thinking, oh god,
we forgot about that and we had to coach that
same day. Yeah, I think it was Monday, Monday, the
night of the game, right right, right, So you know
we'll talk even even though we didn't talk about it,

(33:00):
break this myny in great breaking news.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
We didn't.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
We didn't tell the result. We will. My case is
getting lower and lower on the on this show.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
We can also highlight Southern arizonas that play in that league, right,
because there are a lot of players from Southern Arizona
that play in that league.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well, it's better to have that, and maybe that is
the starting point with all the success. I even asked
the coach Sean, uh, do you get much credit or
you know, they won three or four? Now, who would know?
Who would know? And guess what when you're a champion,
pound your chez baby.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Yeah, it's hard to win championships, very much so in
my whole lifetime, I've won three maybe mm hm, three
i won three? Yeah, and it's a it's a it's
a difficult, it's it's hard to get there, but it's
it's much harder win and.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Something you should be proud of because this is what
you play for. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, I do agree with
you that Tucson in my time here the nineties were fantastic.
I was in the middle of it, careing the basketball team.
But you know, when you're in the trees, you really
don't pay attention. But you kind of know now though.
And we've talked about this with the Ali's and the
you guys and the Michaels and all those people, the

(34:08):
Rebels and Ray yeah, Ray Flores, who I supposed to
have on next week. I am supposed to have on
next week. Yeah, there's got to be a starting point.
And it's all kind of the younger group, the next
group who want to see things that are better.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Plus, I mean, we're talking about this too. We need
to highlight other things, like the velodrome coming to our community.
It's the only one in the Southwest. It's going to
be It's not just a towsonthing. It's a southern Arizona thing.
You've got the f You've got FC Barcelona's youth academy
in North America, forty five minutes up the road in Custa,
Grande and Francisco Grande like these should be highlighted for
our region. And I think that all this, all these

(34:46):
things are going to pull people together.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, I think though your idea of the social mixture,
even if it's quarterly or whatever. Yeah, the venues that
are different. I'm sure the Rays of the world would say, yeah, companies.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
But Ray Grant American Eco places that are open that
you're gonna go eat, you're gonna go drink, and.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
You the head guys don't even have to show up,
show up a representative.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
I just want to talk. I mean, I want to
get Hey, I want to know more about what your
program is, what your team is, who you are, and
then I want to know why should we support you?
Like if I have a direct personal connection to something,
there's it's it's much more likely that I'm gonna go
back and repeat it.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Well, we'll follow up with that. On the other side,
just about is to to sounds a great place. They
they help people who are hurting. It's a very giving place.
But it doesn't given this sense, it doesn't show up
in this sense. Does that make sense? Had this conversation
we were hold that thought. But because I want to talk.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
I was on the reason why I was a couple
of men's late because I'm on its call about dat hockey.
I'm talking to this national organization about building and uh
it was it was kind of directed in that sense.

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Speaker 2 (40:05):
Hey, welcome back to whining the Ball Here on Fox
Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve Rivera and today with me
is Blake eager deaf Juana Controls. If you guys want
to call, hey, I like your input too, because you
guys are two Sonans, and you guys know what you
guys are talking about. At least the fans in the city, right.
I know, one you're you're a local guy, and you
you're fan centric. But we're going with that. And I

(40:25):
was saying that Tucson is a giving community. It's a
very very giving committee. If you're in trouble, they'll find
a way to help you and they figure things out
and blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
But but yeah, I mean, I was having this conversation
earlier day and then I was having it with Donna Peterson,
who you met yesterday that obviously we with whom she's
with whom major League Baseball. Okay, that's that's sort of yeah, Donna,
and I feel like we might be the only city

(40:57):
in the country that I feel at this level with
as many people were you can have a call with
the mayor, the county administrator, the leading business CEO, and
you're an owner of a sports team all on the call,
and it's just like that's kind of a normal thing
for us, Like you can't. I don't think Phoenix can
put together what the chamber did last night. And it's

(41:18):
just second nature down here. So the connection to the community,
like you said, is so much easier here. But why
do we lack the ability to fill stadiums? Why do
we lack the ability to sell out events? And it's
not just in the sporting world. That's what communities at
our level should be doing, right, you should have a

(41:41):
streamlined version to get whatever information you possibly can on
events that are happening. And I don't know if we
do or not. We've had that question. That's a question
that we're going to continue to try to answer. But
what are we lacking here? And why aren't people going
to the games? Because I guess you could argue, well,
the costs are too high, But any other metro area
we're probably in the lower ten percent of costs for

(42:01):
professional and collegiate sports outside of UBA basketball. Well allso
workings non existent, really.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I believe, well, right, cost what I'm thinking, I was thinking,
we all have our pick and choose moments. Right, I'm
gonna go to this, I'm gonna go to that. I
was told. I guess the suarrows one Monday night, like
we were talking about, and they have a fan maybe
five hundred people, which is a pretty large crowd, which
which I guess was a pretty pretty large crowd, pretty
good environment for that. I'm sure they're excited about it,
but even then it could have been more. But five

(42:32):
hundred Okay, great for you guys.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Yeah, I will say this, going through the World Baseball
Classic and now trying to play the connecting role for
all these teams to our community, I don't think we
do a great job of our older adult community and
our student youth community. And I think that's like we
had a meeting the other day with the Pima County
superintendent and I'm handing that out so all, but we
should be having that same conversation in Panow County and

(42:56):
Coaches County in Santa Cruz County, but we nobody is
reaching out to the PEMA Council on aging and that's
all older A.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Don't give me the age range because yeah, my listenership
is about thirty five and above.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Yeah, And so I mean I think we can do
a better job of making them feel included in this
and the youth piece of it. Those are your fans
for the rest of your life. I still believe. I
still believe in maybe one you guys. You guys are
from here the time of the year now June to September.
It's not ideal, especially for outdoors. I could that doesn't
solve the sugar skulls problem or anybody indoors, right, because

(43:35):
I still think that their attendance could be much better
than what it is. Yeah, I don't even I guess
I'm I shouldn't know what their average attendance is.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Jay. I think Jay was saying maybe three, three and
a half and the best body on a good day.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Yeah, and they don't have very many home games, so
you can plan your calendar around it and something to do.
I mean, listen, I told you this. We've had this conversation.
I sound like the biggest baby, but as I get older,
this heat's a problem.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about that.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
I mean, I told you our a c went out
Monday night when we flew home.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
I'm we're staying in a hotel right now. Yeah. Uh
it's it's it's brutal. Yeah, it's bad. Yeah, so I'm
taking temperature heat blah blah blah cost. Maybe you can
go to one or two games a year. Football. It's
a it's a place to go. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
People don't go. Yeah. Uh I think i've and maybe
I'm just crazy in this. Go ahead, Well would you
go to football? You wa football? If if you weren't
I if I was just a fan normal dude? Yes,
because you're a fan.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah? And where's that money coming from? Right now? The parentals? Okay,
so but you but he would get in a perfect world,
you might definitely take it. Yeah, yeah, you're going tickets
for football for the championship. No, no, no, no, no for you?
I mean, se right there, right there, right there's the answer.
Because if I got ten people in a room, I

(44:53):
don't know.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
But I'm not a football fans. There you go, that's well,
gome to. I'm not a collegiate football fan. I don't people.
I'm an NFL guy. And that's because I played in
seventeen fantasy. What's your favorite team? What's your favorite team?
I mean, growing up it was a Niners and then
it kind of became college college.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I don't mean he's not a fan. I hope they win.
I hope you they win.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Untrue, isn't he the guy isn't here that I am.
I'm one hundred percent of the guy because why why
do I need to go? If I'm not a fan
of what's happening on the field, I need to be
a fan of what's what's happening around the field.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Imagine the crowd that we have here from out of town.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Yeah, I mean, you're you're talking. I live in South Florida.
It's the same thing. They play at the same time.
You wait because I ain't gonna go to that game,
but I would go if there's like if there's an
event or an atmosphere that I'm like, we gotta like,
there's so much happen the band that you like, yeah,
playing on Like I told you the concourse for you
a basketball and now that's completely different version because I'm
a die er, you a basketball fan. But when they

(45:50):
had the DJ set going on, I felt that they
had a live band, Like I was like, this is
so cool, Like we're walking around the like do that go?
Like I said to you, I think we do a
really bad job of doing our market research and other
markets that are successful. And I was having this conversation
my wife and I were in Bend, Oregon. I was
like I'm ready to move. I'm done, Like I move
here in a heartbeat. And I mean, I'm gonna say

(46:11):
it on the air. You're probably gonna run through. It's
a little too uh white for me in a lot
of different ways. Like it's a little like like I
feel like there's white guys with dreadlocks all over the
place and stuff. But like, yeah, other than that, like
people were out, they were active, they were in the river.
There was this great music scene, Like it was awesome,
Like why aren't we that way?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
You know? I mean it wasn't one hundred and ten.
But I'm not saying during the summer, we understand why
people aren't outside. We understand that even even during September,
September's brutal, Right, September might be good. It's a it's
a coin flip. The weather changes Halloween every single year,
boom you're in. We call it winter fans, right, But.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Like doing market research, going to a Big ten game,
going to an SEC football game, what are they doing
Because there's three hundred thousand people at a tailgate, there's
only fifth five to seventy five thousand people in the stand,
So why are those other two hundred thousand people or
one hundred and fifty thousand.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Why are they going.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yeah, well, for one big and obvious reason that they win. Yeah,
CC's win, the Big Tens win. But they're they're also
just straight up fans. They're the crazy ones you see. Yeah,
from the time they were college one years old. They're
wearing and but we kind of have that same as
two sonans. We're born and bred to be Uve fans.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Sure, I didn't go to u Van, Sure, but there
are also qualifications with that, or or asterisks with these
things because well, you know, basketball is a perfect example.
Sean had it good for a while and then when
it started to get bad, there were only twelve and
a half thousand people in that stadium, in that arena,
and you think, oh, they've been sold out. Not, no,
you assume that it's not.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
It's not the Cubs fan base at Wrigley where you're like,
no matter what if the team doesn't win a game
all year, you're selling Wriggley out right. Rh It's a
Tampa it's but it's not Tampa Bay either, where you're like,
you're in first place all and you're drawing eight thousand people.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I wrote this story a number of times at the paper,
and I talk about it a lot. It's a fickle audience.
And the thing is, how do you solve that? How
do you fix it? How do you what are the solvables?
You engage with the youth community. You make it affordable
for them to go. You give away tickets if you
have to, You fill the stands. It's getting them there first.
I hate I hate hearing like hates a strong word.

(48:22):
Keep going, say no, no what you were with me? I
don't know who did I have last week?

Speaker 7 (48:25):
On?

Speaker 2 (48:26):
It was the it was O Tim, were you on
a Priday? And it's the ROI of each individual in there.
He used it a different day. Yeah, you know, how
much does how much are you get to spend at
the at the Stateum, whether your tickets, Tim bucks or
fifteen dollars?

Speaker 4 (48:38):
In the story, if I have a great experience when
I go, I'm gonna go back. Yeah yeah, yeah right,
I mean that's that's we were talking about with the
superintendent yesterday.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
This was a crazy study said something like.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
If if if you don't get a high school diploma
or ged or your your negative like eight hundred thousand
dollars for that community for the rest of your life.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
That's a wild stat to me. I didn't hurt anything
like that.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
But if you never get a fan to go to
a game, you're losing constantly. So I would rather either
give away discount of tickets or give away tickets, especially
to our school districts or underprivileged areas. Underserved areas are
our tribal nations, Like how much engagements going on with
our native nations right now in these pieces. And you're
gonna have to supply some You're gonna have to supply

(49:23):
some transportation needs there. But get them there first and
then figure out financially. You're either not gonna have the
money at all, or you're gonna have that and be
food and beverage. People are gonna buy stuff all the
day there and they're gonna go back.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
So I agree. I mean, we just solve the world's problems.
All right, I'll see you guys. I'm gonna go home
now to your your to your air conditioning. Yeah you're cold,
you're enjoy it. Enjoy it. But that to that point
of just getting them there, it was very hard, and
even as a kid, I try to do that. I said, well,

(49:57):
why don't you come to you have a football game
and they're, well, you obeyed nothing. Well, it's an experience. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
But if my friends are playing flag football and the
like I remember growing up, That's why I love going
tailgating because it was like all my friends were going.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
We were playing flag football or tackle football at that point.
Now I don't play tackle.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Or you're doing something with your you're seeing your friends there.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
That's why I'm going.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
I don't care, Like I don't care if they win
or lose. I care if it's a competitive game. I
want it to be fun. But I'm gonna be when
I'm eight years old, I'm gonna be asleep at halftime anyway.
Like the whole point of me going is just to
see my friends. And when those three friends go that
first time and they go back to school and they say, oh, man,
like we played these other kids from Sunnyside and this
flag football game like that next week, those kids are

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now going. You get three more friends and three you
know how that goes?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
What comes with the kids parents, The parents have friends too,
and then everyone's there.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Absolutely, So this is what I was gonna say. I
I do, and I was gonna say het hates a
strong word. I don't like when somebody tells us just
to go buy buy tickets and go to the game, Like, well, yeah,
there's more to that, right, How come if it's this easy?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, if it's this easy, we have smart people at UVE. Yeah,
supposed to smart people at JUVE. Why is that that's
such a conversation. Why has this noted? This could be
used in so many different areas. I'm saying that sarcastically
as well, because it's been going on forever. We have
well educated people only this.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
But I think you're at different levels, right, So I
mean you can have the smartest people in the world
that work in a very specific area. How are they
relating to me? If I'm not in that area? You
need somebody that's the glue to everything. Is going to
bring them along because they care about totally agree with you,
they represent, totally agree with or their their community.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Can sell mey Mercedes if I don't want to have
the money, and I don't even know what the hell
Mercedes is. But I like my car. It's it's a
Novo whatever. Yeah, it's a Volvo. It's a say this
car in the world, but it's thirty years still running.
It's a diesel whatever it may be. You're not going
to convince me. I know nothing about engines.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
So you're sitting here telling me about German technology and
I go, I don't look. I you know, I don't care.
I can use a hammer and nail, but other than that,
I'm not the guy to fix things.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah. No, it's a good analogy. Yeah, I don't know
if it's solvable. I mean, it's solvable. I don't know
it is. You're just gonna take a long time. You're
going like a You're gonna have to start with kids,
and you're gonna have to get ingrained where you're at
their schools, you're doing events, you're taking players, and I
thought you've a did a really good job with this
a couple of summers ago, and maybe they still do

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it where they have a summer flag football where the
kids coach the kids.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
Like that is the perfect formula. Because now I'm rooting
for somebody that has a direct roation in personality.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
But I no, no, let's go see Johnny, who I
just met and he was great to me. Yeah, I
want to go see I told you growing up. I
mean I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
I wasn't a Cleveland Guardians fan because I mean, I'm
a diehard Cups fan, But I wasn't a Cleveland Guardian
fans just because they were in Tucson. I was a
fan because my dad used to take me on walks
on the backfields and I got to meet guys like
Bob Feller like that conversation. I was a lifelile. I'm
still root for the Guardians right now, right, I mean,
my family's from Cleveland. But that memory, that core memory

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created a fan even when they left Huston, Right, that's true.
Let's go come back.