Hour 1- August 22, Bennet Davison, Max Meylor

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to Ion the Ball here
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with me is Dave Silver. You got Ray at the controls.
We're taking any call five two o four one six
seventy four forty Dave. I think I either need to
adopt you or you need to adopt me.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
We have family dinner here. Yeah, start bringing in food. Yeah,
it's been good. Been a fun week. I'm glad that
could help. Yeah, it's been fun. We're gonna have another
fun day today.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
I mean, you know, on the verge of really getting
back into some sports, so it'll be good.

Speaker 5 (00:46):
You know, good to look ahead of the future too.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Finally, it's like, you know this, this twenty five year old,
this is little giddy. What did you give me for Christens?
What'd you give me for Christmas?

Speaker 6 (00:55):
Ball?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
I got Dallas Cowboy cheerleader calendar.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
That's how we entertain ourselves in the middle of July
and the airs in the desert.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's how you entertain a twenty five year old.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
That's good. I mean there's all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
You know, once football starts, it kind of overwhelms everything. Yes, yeah,
it does at the weekends, and college football kind of
starting tomorrow, and then you know, the NFL starts in
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
And then October comes on and you got you a
basketball in the mix, and then it gets really busy.
But that's when I don't have to worry about guests.
It was a tough summer, but it was a good summer.
So today talk about guests. We got somebody who was
in town visiting for the Ludelson camp, and it's going
to be Ben at Davison. We both covered him back
in the day as Goofy as zever, same shape, looks

(01:43):
the same, excellent shape, still Goofy.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Yeah, it's good that he comes back.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
I mean, you've got a lot of the guys who
have kind of made this like an annual trick. Right
August is kind of been for the loud Olson Fantasy Camp,
and you know Pete Williams and Bennett and you know,
Jason Gardner's obviously he's here, but you know, some of
the guys.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Liam came into ale.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, Selim, And there's a note Donnelle here, and then
the regular's Reggie's there and Matt meil Bach and Andy
Brown and some of those other ones could make it,
but Selim is a pretty good good one. Pete always
loves coming here. Tommy was there last night, uh, you know,
talking to the group and it was a.

Speaker 5 (02:17):
Lot of fun. What's his message to the guys that
you know he's I mean, he's their age, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
You know, to the message just you know, uh, he's
grateful to have the job. He thinks the world of loot.
He's you know, don't worry, I got this program, and
I like, I love hear Yah enjoyed what I do.
It's going in the right direction, you know, and things
like that reassuring. But but you know, like guys like

(02:44):
Pete think the world of him and know that the
programs in the right direction.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
It's pretty interesting.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
I don't know how other programs are because you know,
and I've kind of lived around this forever, but just
the fact that they've got so many guys who take
pride in the school and what they did, and even
if forty years ago almost fifty years ago.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Now, well, yes to that, Yes, especially in your timeline, Dave,
because you've been here forty two, forty years two. I've
been here thirty eight today. Actually I told you today
I rolled into this town. But you know what in
the Loots time, yes, not so much with Sean's time.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Yeah, maybe you're right. Let's see how that plays out.
Though there's still you know, there's one of.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
A couple of dudes, like a TJ. Comes, he'll I
think he'll be one of those guys. Once he's done,
he'll come back. But there's no there's no Sean. You
know what I'm saying, there's no more right to come
back to. True so, and I haven't seen many of
those anyway, even randomly.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, that's gonna be interesting too because maybe again maybe
as they get older and they realize what was here.
You know, Sean probably won't come back, but the guys
is his teammates and thinking about, hey, you know that
those seasons were pretty pretty solid.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Most they were were to the end. Yeah, and then
I think Tommy's group will It's kind of it has
that same type of feel. Yeah, you know, they'll come
and joy what they had here and some of the
successes that they've had.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
The other difference to is that the guys from LUTs
Era were here for four years most cases at least,
and so they really got embedded in the town and
fans got to know them and they you know, there
was a back and forth appreciation, whereas now it's you know,
the best players are here for a year.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
So I'll give you this, though we're six in our sixties,
they're in their late fifties. Some of those guys, you know,
how many times can you come back and welcome in
the nineteen eighty eight final fourteen and you know they
don't want to kind of be it's over, it's coming gone.
You know what I'm saying, How many times can you
come back and you know, way bands blah blah blah,

(04:33):
and when they've done other great things, right, does it
make sense?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Well?

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, I think you know, the championship team, there's always
going to be something special about ninety seven until it
happens again. So they're going to be trotting those guys
back as often as they want. I would think, you know,
if they want to come back in the first early
years with Steve Kurr and Shawn Elliott were memorable. Those guys,
I think, you know, they almost like I think maybe

(04:56):
if they think back, like did this really happen?

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah? No, and they do and they do.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Not.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Let me ask you how many boys you have too?

Speaker 8 (05:02):
Too?

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Just the boys? Yep, And this is a dumb question.
I have boys too, and I wouldn't. I wouldn't answer
the question if I asked myself the question. Uh, back
in eighty seven, eighty eight, it's like your first born.
They got to the final four, right, and it's you know,
the favorite team whatever. Maybe maybe may not. So it's
like having your first born and you have are your
partial to your first born? So are you partial to

(05:24):
your first board?

Speaker 5 (05:26):
I like them both.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, it's a good answer.

Speaker 9 (05:28):
The funny thing is, you know.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
They grew up right, I mean they were born.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
My second son was born in eighty seven, so I mean,
you know, he didn't live through the early years, but
by ninety seven he was a fan.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah he was ten. Maybe he still talks about about that.

Speaker 8 (05:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
So, so I was introducing the guys last night, and
and Jason Gardner was like my third guy. And Jason Gardner,
you know, he was the the Robin to Gibber and
his batman. Yeah, YadA, you know, had these games and
he tells stories, and I said, I think, Jason, in
my opinion, it was part of the best team ever
play here in u of a history. I think that
two thousand and one. I didn't get any groans from

(06:05):
from Bennett or Donnell or aj who was here too,
But I still think that two thousand and one team
was the best talent wise and playwise. I don't agree. No,
I agree.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
I mean we talked about you know, Gilbert and that
whole Richard and Luke, Luke and Lauren Woods. I mean
that was Jason quite a team. It was, you know,
capped off again. It kind of maybe that was kind
of the end of the Lukes Looke's best teams.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, No, two thousand, two thousand and three. In fact,
two thousand and three was the team that was at
number one, the longest of any of them in a
season thirteen weeks, wow, thirteen weeks. And that was with
the Salem and Hassan and Channing and and andre Iguodala.

(06:50):
Those gout thirteen weeks to the number one. And then
you were probably there in Anaheim. Were you there in
Anaheim when they lost to Kansas. They beat Notre Dame,
they lost to Kansas, So you know, it's you ever know,
especially in the in the run tournament run.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
I mean, but there was I mean that was a
stretch again from and that was probably that was probably it. Yeah,
I mean that ten year stretch from ninety four to
ninety four team for that team, Yeah, there was.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
There wasn't a bad.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Team, no, and then and then the run when they
left to k they lost to Illinois. It's funny because
when I introduced a Salem, you know, mister Miles Manner,
quite dude, I said, and Saline, you know, those big
shots of Oklahoma State to get to UH, to get
to play Illinois, the Kansas, the.

Speaker 9 (07:30):
U c l A.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
The shot, fall over and followup thirty football a issue.
He beat them in the last second. Ye he had
so many of them the Kansas game in Kansas for
when he came back, they came back and said, but
can you tell me why you didn't take that las
shot against Ellinois?

Speaker 5 (07:45):
And what did he say?

Speaker 2 (07:46):
He didn't have an answer because it wasn't up to him.
I mean, they scrambled, were you there? And they scrambled
on that last play. They took too long for it
to develop, and then Hassan had it in the last second. Yeah,
and he had to throw it up.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
Nightmare. It was night It was hard to watch, You're right.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
I mean I can still see that scramble where the
ball was all over the place and he's kind of
last second desperation top of the key, like why.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Is he taking hot potatoes? See the guy it was
hot potato, Like last man who had it was going
to shoot it. Yeah, made no sense. In fact, in
part of the books, there's two or three guys were
saying this was the explanation, and it was always different
because they didn't know either.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
It was like what was going on?

Speaker 5 (08:23):
And it's a shame. Yeah, Yeah, good to have Bennett.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
He's always been, you know, pretty loyal to the Ludelson camp.
And you know he was only here a couple of years, right,
he came as a JC transfer. Yeah, so he was
not here very long. But you know he's part of
that infamous team and infamous moment of you know, rustling
coach's hair and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
So everybody kind of remembers.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Him, right, we'll talk about that because he had so
many memorable goofball moves, which was his favorite. So we'll
have him on and then at the four seventeen hour.
Obviously we've been talking about the IFL game a lot,
so we'll have uh, maybe Jade and d Laura here
at four seventeen depends what Jake can get for me

(09:04):
from out the at the uh at the media day,
because they're doing it as we speak, right, Uh so
three o'clock to four o'clock, and they'll have some people
at four o'clock for us, maybe one or two that
we'll interview at the four seventeen hour.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, it's kind of cool Tuson has that game.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
We're gonna have it for three years, so let's see
if if Southern Arizona can support something like that. Just
here again, like as we said, like in the middle
of the summer, end of the summer, not much else
going on this weekend, so let's see what happens.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, and I know they're gonna get people in the seats,
so I'm going it's on like CBS network, you think,
so get some time that doesn't hurt attendance, you know.
I mean, I honestly didn't even know about until I
kind of was googling around this week to see what's
what's on this weekend?

Speaker 5 (09:46):
Oh, okay, that's on?

Speaker 6 (09:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, and you're not gonna go then probably see Yeah,
I would be a last minute decision. Yeah, I mean
that's Tucson. We'll go to Son. Hey, Mildred, what do
you doing? I don't know. We want to go downtown.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
Let's go down and get some food. There's a game. Okay,
let's do that.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Why not? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (10:04):
You going?

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Are you him and Juan to cover it or to
go as fans?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (10:13):
If you're doing it for work? Yeah, well, I mean
it's not like I'm a fan of it. You know,
I can't say I'm a huge IFL guy.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
When you've football and you won't be back on Monday, right,
because Monday is not your day anyway? Or is it money?
Monday is your usually?

Speaker 5 (10:26):
Yeah, it usually is. But schools starting, school is starting,
you know, school starts Monday.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
You what you're learning here you won't learn in the
book Son. That's you got to show up here on Monday.
So this is this weekend is a wild time around campus,
I'm assuming, right.

Speaker 10 (10:40):
Yeah, they had the freshman go I guess they had,
like the football team, like go talk to the freshman
at the stadium after their practice or something like that.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Yesterday.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Pretty cool saw that.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Yeah, yeah, good idea. I mean it's a good way
to I think, you know, kind of sow those seeds early.
Maybe engage, Yeah, exactly, engage if their Zona Zoos tickets,
Is that kind of what they're after with the freshman.
I mean, i'd assume part of it is that.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
So the football team, the football team or just a
freshman people, What do you mean the football team? It
was the entire football team.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
Yeah, it was its football freshman.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Now to let you know, I'll be making two hundred
thousand dollars a year and you won't thank you for
paying your thanks. There's a house settlements, and you see
me driving fast in the car, don't call in, don't
call in.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
And if you see me out, offer me a drink.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's got the new age of college football.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, did you said?

Speaker 4 (11:32):
I don't know if you guys saw that story that
I think it was in the Star this morning about
about the money and the breakdown. No, maybe talk about
I don't want to bring it all. Okay, Yeah, Well
that's a lot of it's like thirteen million dollars.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cause it's if it's twenty,
there's about seventy percent.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
I think it said thirteen point eight million. Yeah, just
a football. Yeah, so it's about sixty percent. It pays
to be a quarterback these days.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Oh did they stay who? Like, how did they get
those records in the public public?

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yes, that's why.

Speaker 9 (11:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Wow, interesting stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
What's that saying? Don't let your babies grow up to
be cowboys, but tell them to be quarterback quarterbacks?

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Yeah, that's something else. It's changing it.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
I mean, plus, they all have their nil deals, which
is nothing nothing like in most cases, probably not nearly
that much.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
No, man, man, So you're gonna have probably new neighbors
on the west side somewhere what's name.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
There's a lot of guys making some pretty good money.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
And it's just here, you know, your difference between the
starter and a and a backup, Like the starting quarterback
gets this, but the backup quarterbits.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah yeah, well it pays it. But if it still
pays to hold the clipboard yeah oh yeah, you know,
and doing those signs.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Oh yeah, don't be connishtelling look out for them.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah, start flashing some signals, but no, I think like
the left tackle is higher pay than the right tackle
because that's the guy that really protects the quarterback blindside,
that kind of thing. Linebackers, guys that rush the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yes, we'll get to that. You have that, you can
get that.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
I'll learn that.

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Speaker 2 (17:35):
Hey, welcome back to in the Ball here on Fox
sporth fourteen fifty I'm Steve Rivera and today is Dave Silver.
You're still trying to reach out to Bennett?

Speaker 9 (17:43):
You text you hello?

Speaker 5 (17:49):
Is he coaching? Yeah, he's one of the coaches. When
do they play those games today?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Played I think a game or two today they just finished,
and then play a couple tomorrow and then.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
Sunday do they don't they go over to Michale at
some point tomorrow. Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
Wouldn't that camp start today today?

Speaker 9 (18:08):
No?

Speaker 10 (18:08):
Like eighteen Okay, I never got really well, I never
really went to any camps growing up.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
So I mean it's adults. It's like, you know, people
have to pay. Yeah, yeah, like our age.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, there's not many old people to know you want more? No, no,
not as much. No, it's just too dematic. You know,
you saw running around.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
It was kind of tough.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, okay, so just be only on the lookout for
his five two four six, seventy four forty. I think
we're going to try to reach out to Bruce after
Bennett and see about his story today about the money.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah, I mean he he posted the story on like
Tucson dot com. I guess this morning caught our attention.
It was especially when it's when it comes to how
athletes are getting paid now and like really what's going
on and how uh lucrat have some of these eels
are for these guys after that big you know, house
settlements over the last couple of months and what it's

(19:06):
going to mean to these athletic departments around around the country,
including the U of A.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
S R.

Speaker 10 (19:11):
Well, it's really interesting because it feels like it's like
that whole curtain, like you don't know what's behind the
curtain so far, because it's like, you know, people teams
will say how much they're giving, but it's like you
don't really see any of the inner workings of it.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
So well, that's what the NIL that's what it was like,
right for like how much they were making, so you
can get another two million exactly n IL on top
of what this guns.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Well, I mean this, that's the way it was up
until you know, a couple of months ago, and now
they get this and they probably still have NIL deals too,
so because that's where a lot of that stuff is
kind of where you'll see it publicly, Like you'll see
a NOA FAFEA doing a commercial for Tucson Airport or
whatever he was doing last year. That's all ni L
I'm assuming that's that's But now now it's just they're

(19:55):
getting paid. They're here's a here's a you know, weekly
check or something. I guess, yeah, I don't know how
it fluctuates. If you're a starter and then you're a
backup and all of a sudden you become a starter,
right right, No, Yeah, how's that gonna play?

Speaker 5 (20:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Yeah, you know, there's a lot of stuff needs to
be figured out and unveiled.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
I guess. Yeah, there's a lot of I mean, yeah, money.
Whenever money gets involved, I feel like it did.

Speaker 10 (20:18):
Uh it'll not not in a bad way, obviously. Glad
the players are getting paid. This is not what the
envision though, No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
This is not what the envision. And then they're gonna
go back to like twenty fifteen, sixteen or whatever it
was with the other lawsuit. They're gonna you know, some
people for the past is also suit. Oh yeah, to
retro to retro, get retro paid or whatever that works. Obannon,
Oh hold on, go ahead and cut my nut my
cuff from. Yeah, it'll be it's a whole new world

(20:46):
out there. So it's gonna be come fun to watch
it all plays out. Yeah, there's a lot of money involved.
It's gonna be kind. Like I said, it's just going
back and forth. I don't know how they're gonna do
with like Hey, I'm a starter, now I'm a backup. Yeah,
we're gonna pay the starter X amount of dollars. But
all of a sudden he gets hurt things like that,

(21:07):
I don't know, a loophole somewhere in there, somewhere he's
gonna be calling it any sick.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
All right, we're waiting on the call. In the call,
how many campers you said there are?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
About thirty?

Speaker 5 (21:20):
That's good? There we go.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Okay, Bennette Bennett, are you doing minute?

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Doing great? We just were back to the hotel, showered up,
and good.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
To god, you did you win your game today?

Speaker 9 (21:33):
We did.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
We actually were down seventeen points with eight minutes left
and we came back and won with a buzzer beater.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Oh nice, nice? Who's your partner? All the players you're
and Donelle? Right?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Donnell the coaching together.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Nice?

Speaker 9 (21:48):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Well, welcome back. I know you love this time of year,
coming back to your old stomping grounds.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
How's the pride of Sebastable, California? Doing?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
A Sebastable still a small town of six thousand hippies
where all the women have Harry legs and Harry Armie
and over up in the Redwood trees, so nothing's changed.
You know, a bunch of burnout six fifties and sixties
burnouts living up there. They're sebastable Redwood for's dream. But
I'm in Dallas right now teaching and living my best life.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Are you still involved in basketball?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yes, I am. I'm actually teaching high school. I do
medical terminology d MT certifications and really prepping these kids
for high school, so I mean for college. So actually
juniors and seniors. I do all the preparation work so
that when they are juniors and seniors, we transport them
to the junior college and they can start their associate's

(22:43):
degree while they're in high school and leave high school
with a certification and get right into the workforce.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Just in case you need to know this, that was
Dave Silver obviously from back in the day.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
Yeah, well you're in You're a product of junior college, right, Yes,
I am.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
I did the whole junior I was saying it down
in the West Valley, So I grew up like.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
The d ns and neighborhoods.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
They were kind of our Yeah, we played Dans and
Skyline and Aloney and all that. San Jose South San Francisco,
UH junior colleges, but yeah, I was an hour south
of San Francisco and San Jose and Saratoga.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
You gave us a couple of stories last night, but
I wanted to talk to you about when you first
got here and they put you in one of the
hotels for recruiting and then I think you called home
from a phone or something that was yeah, did you
tell that?

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Syah? Yeah. So I came in as a junior college player,
and I was really knocking on doors as as a
small town boy. And my dad was worked in the city.
He had that big city field. But I was a
very like every spring break, I was doing mission trips
for the church and trying to you know, not do

(23:54):
anything to get in trouble. And I really struggled in school,
just education. I showed up to every class, couldn't get anything.
But my parents were so proactive and myself that as
my junior and senior years, I would they take me
out of school and we would go knock on doors
at Saint Mary's, Santa Clara, cal Stanford, University of Pacific,
University of Marine, what was the University of Marin County College,

(24:18):
and He's like, hey, do you guys have a scholarship?
Who are you? And this is and how it works.
So we would actually knock on the door up the
head coach and they're like, oh, just go to junior
college and check things out. So ended up going to
West Valley and played that my freshman year, and I
didn't know I was even good. I just went out
there and yes, coach, Yes coach. He's screaming the ow

(24:39):
Bobby Knight style coach. And I needed that because I
came from a small town where Roger Wilson was really
his first year of coaching and was learning how to
really coach a fine tune machine. And I had coach
Bob Burton, who was a well oiled machine. And sit down,
shut up, there's a wall, run through it. Why do
I have to run to the wall. Don't even ask me.
Trust me, and trust me and and believe in the system.

(25:02):
And so ended up after four months becoming a number
one JC player in the nation. Ended up coming to
Arizona and after that freshman year, I started doing recruiting visits.
Once I started doing a recruiting visits, I really geographically
I wanted to play where my parents could watch me.
So he's like, all right, you're playing in the pac ten.
I was like, what about the Big West. He's like, nah,
you're better than the Big West. You can go to

(25:23):
any school you want to. I was like, for real.
And he puts a box of letters in front of me,
like a you know the copying paper you have those
small little boxes. He drops it on my desk and
the thing was half filled with recruiting letters. I was like,
what's this. He's like, this is Duke North Carolina, Kansas,
Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Saint John's Crichton USC, Washington State.

(25:45):
I was like, these are for me. He's like, guess
every school in the nation wants to be able to
have a junior college player. I was like, you got
to be kidding me. So geographically, I wanted something in
the West Coast, and it came down to Oregon University,
Oregon and Arizona, and so know that whole recruiting time
came down and it came to.

Speaker 8 (26:05):
Me.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
It came down to me coming down on the recruiting
Let me let me go to Arizona. I was like,
you know what, I like warmth better than I like foggy,
cloudy and rainy, and so I was already up in
that northern California area, so you had that fog rolling
in at five o'clock cooling things down. I was like,
let me go try some of this dry heat. So
they picked me up from the airport. We go to
the gym kind of see the practice. You know, you

(26:27):
can see Joseph Blair and Ben Davis like these are
the these are the Clydesdale's. I've got a guard. Harold's
kind of intimidated. So we went back to the hotel
and we stayed at La Paloma. They put us in
the room. They walked me into the room. Here's your room,
kind of get settled in. We're gonna have Miles Simon
come and pick you up, and Jay, Jason, Terry and

(26:47):
AJ and those guys. And I get into the room
and you know, I've got a you know, a pair
of shoes there, some some of those banners and you
know the gear that they come to impress you. And
I sat there and I was like, all right, let
me shower. So I sit down on the toilet. I
looked up to the right and there's a telephone right there,
right next to the toilet. I was like, this is awesome.

(27:09):
I've never sat on the toilet. I had a telephone
right next to the thing. You're like, this is this
is high class man, this is the best thing I've
ever seen. So I called my mom. I was like, bomb,
I'm coming to Arizona. I'm not even gonna do a
recruiting visit with Oregon. There's a telephone and I'm sitting
on a toilet right now.

Speaker 9 (27:25):
I get doesn't get any.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Better than this. And I was set on Arizona. Dude,
off of a telephone right there.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I love that story.

Speaker 9 (27:35):
A couple things, right, It's not the It's not the.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
I was like, this is awesome. This is the best stuff.
It wasn't the gear, it.

Speaker 9 (27:40):
Wasn't the lat in a hotel. It wasn't all those
stuff it was it was the dumbest thing.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
It was just like Richard Jefferson sat there and said
he came on his recruiting visit, and in doing so,
he's like, you know what, these are a bunch of young, tall,
athletic kids who love video games, goofing around and just
being jocular. And he's like, this is why. That's why
Richard Jefferson came here. He's like, these guys are just
like me, because sometimes you have to put on an
ego of I'm cool, I'm a basketball player, but a

(28:07):
lot if you get to know with we're just big
ass kids who love video games and play basketball and
are on TV playing in front of you know, fifty
thousand people.

Speaker 9 (28:16):
But realistically we're just big dors.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
So yeah, we were talking before you toilet and the
telephone is what got me there.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
What did you realize when you got to the dorms here?

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I was now, I was a junior, So I think
with Arizona they always have the freshman stay in the
dorms under the football stadium. I was a junior and
so I'd already, hey, you can pick it to play.
So though, hey, I think Miles was a good fit
for me, and we actually me and Miles have the
same birthday, November twenty first, nineteen seventy five, and he
was born in Sweden because his dad was overseas they

(28:48):
playing basketball, and so he's like, I'm actually older and
so because you know, the time zones and Sweden are
little a couple hours ahead time, so he's a wiser elder.
But that was fun funny. We found that on the night.
But even on our recruit that recruiting trip, we go
to the frat house. The night was chaos.

Speaker 9 (29:09):
It wasn't anything that was like glamorous or.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
You know, star studded. So there's three situation. We go
to the frat house, we get in there, they barely
let us in because the frat boys are you know,
like they're stueller girls, you know that type of thing.
So we get in there and there's a bunch of
football players and all of a sudden, the a fight
breaks out. Everyone's shoving each other and someone grabbed the
cords light and chucked it. I'm turning looking and this

(29:34):
beer just slides off this table and just slams into
my full beer. It wasn't even open, so it's kind
of like a hard little brick. It flit up the table.
It hit me, gave me a big old Charlie horse.
I was like, ah, right, we're out of here. So
then later that night we go to a little bar
or something like that, and they won't let us in
because I think two of us were even twenty one,

(29:55):
so they didn't let us into that place. And then
we go down to like lower sixth Avenue, and then
all of a sudden we go to a hip hop,
hip hop place and then shots start, shot start getting fired. Right,
all right, let's go this way. So I come in
the next day and go.

Speaker 9 (30:09):
Jesse Evans like, man, I got hit with I.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Got blindsided with a beer. They wouldn't let us this place,
go to this place their shots fire. He's like, man,
I hope this doesn't stop you from all to your
choice on coming here is like, no, this is freaking awesome.

Speaker 9 (30:23):
This is exactly where I'm coming. I'm not even go
in good organ.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
He's like, oh, perfect, I.

Speaker 9 (30:27):
Guess you want to sign with us. It's like, hell, yeah,
this is exactly where I'm coming. I didn't even do
my second recruiting visit.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
We got about five minutes stuff with you don't cuss
anymore because we don't can't put your button anywhere to sorry,
So this is the truth.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah, no, no, no truth.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
And that's what you do. Let me ask you because
David and I were talking and you're one of the
guys that had these things. You know, obviously the loot
muscle of the hair and the conveyor belt in the
organ and all these things. What was your kind of
favorite thing that you did that maybe that we didn't do,
but make sure it's clean that you did that. You said,
you know what, that was pretty clever.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
I honestly think that to kind of go bring everything
back to Ludolson, because that's exactly why we're here for
the fantasy camp. I remember like the first week and
the week of school, the parents leave and Bobby have
He'd have all the players and whether they had a
girlfriend or not, they would all come up to their
house and we would do apple breakfast, pancakes.

Speaker 6 (31:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, And he brought in that home environment. I think
a lot of parents they bring in whether they have
raised these kids, whether it's male or female, volleyball, basketball, soccer,
or whatever it might be. And you're looking for a scholarship,
and that scholarship isn't just you're paying for my child's education,
but it's also like, hey, I'm passing the torch. I'm

(31:48):
passing my most prized possession onto something. If I leave
him here or her here, I want to know that
they're in a family and they're taken care of. And
I know that, and I think one of the things
that when coach Olsen came into our house with coach
Johnson and Rosberow and evans that you're really bringing that

(32:10):
family along with that child, because he said, I'd rather
recruit good kids from a good family than a crazy
athlete from a bad family. And I think that everybody
from Miles to Josh Passion or to John Ash the
AJ to Donnell, everybody came from an amazing family. And
I think that really helps build that camaraderie in coach Olsen.

(32:32):
As he's coaching, you have a system, and in the
system that he builds that it needs to be that
cohesiveness that say, hey, you can take some criticism. I
don't even after two months. I shouldn't have to check
on you to see if you're in class.

Speaker 9 (32:45):
You're going to show up and do that.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
You're here for a responsibility, You're here for a higher purpose.
You're here for that addition to your family. And those
parents are saying, hey, I passed this torch on you.
I passed my bos prized possession onto you. And Loud
Olsen was that perfect father figure that I think a
mother who really pays attention to the nurturing and caring
side of things, whereas a father is looking for that

(33:07):
basketball and toughness that you need to have someone and
coach Olsen brought that to this place. And I think
that even afterwards with Pete Williams saying, Hey, Pete, I
have a young player Bennet Davison coming to Istanbul, Turkey.
Pete had been there playing in Turkey for ten fifteen
years in Europe, Hey can you take him under your wing?

(33:28):
And he just calls these players that he that never
played with each other, never really met face to face.
But the fact that coach Olsen says, hey, I need
to kind of take him under your wing. Yes, Coach,
I got you. And that's kind of what that parent
passing on to the kid, to coach Olsen, to coach
Olsen saying hey, can you do me a favor? But
even coach Olten, he's like, hey, I'm in San Francisco,

(33:49):
do you want to meet up lunch. He loved his players.
Those were his extended children. He loved them, He adored him.
He wanted to be around them, he wanted to check
up and see how they're doing. Is there anything I
can do to help you? I think that's what.

Speaker 9 (34:00):
Brings us all back here to Rudelson's fantasy camps. So
we need more players come out here next year.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
How long did it take you to realize that you
could play at this level coming from the JC, coming
to a team that you know had been a final
fours of you know, recently, did it?

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Did you feel like you could just step right in
and play in that first year?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
There's definitely a transition from junior college, even though in
those two years we went sixty six wins and two losses,
and those two losses were in the state championship game.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
But when you stepped to that caliber of Pack ten,
you got Mike Babbie and Jason Terry, these players that
you know, Aj bramat Donnell had just been beat up
in practice every day by Joseph Blair and Ben Davis
and then Corey Williams and Reggie Geary going there and
they're so intense and just you it's another level. So
I might not have had that how do you say

(34:49):
that mentality, that mama mentality? But I felt that the
coaches really believed in us that we could do it.
That makes sense. Like sometimes you look at our team
is like, man, you look at all the other players,
like Paul Pierce and Vin's Carter. We may not have
getten there caliber athlete, but I think that when you
have a person that's been going through our practices are

(35:12):
harder than the game situations, you really get that mentality
built into you because the last thing you want to.

Speaker 9 (35:18):
Do is like, Hey, if you can't do it, I've
got somebody. I got Geene Edderson that's going to do it.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
I've got Justin Westall, I've got somebody else is going
to be able to step up and be able to
and cover you. If you're not feeling you're not that
game hasn't flowing for you. It is definitely a transition.
But in those summer leagues in the junior college, I
was playing with Jason Kidd in the NBA summer leagues
and sure, reef, I'll do a raheem and players like
that and that Steve Nash in these offseasons. So I'm

(35:42):
on the same course and put in a situation. But
You've also got to be able to earn that right
to be able to do it. And sometimes you may feel.

Speaker 9 (35:50):
You're like, man, I'm so good, I should be in
the NBA, And then.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
The next game you have two points you're like, man,
I suck. There's no reason for me to be here, right,
And that's it then, And honestly, as a high school
coach and pecher, I feel that sports is so good
for kids because you're gonna deal with defeat and down times.
But there's so many relations like today where we were
down seventeen and then with eight minutes left and we

(36:14):
came back here the last second shot, you like, this
is exactly why we do it. You know, there's there's
you're you're walking through the mud, you're dry, you're walking,
you're crawling through the desert to be able to get
to that oasis, to be able to drink from that water,
and you're just like, man, this is exactly why I
didn't quit. I didn't let I didn't just stop in
the middle of the desert and die here. I keep

(36:34):
pushing and then you know, life stills just in curveballs.
Could be a death, could be a breakup, it could
be a my car ain't working. But it's how you transition,
how do you push through those things? And sports is
such a good uhport. But to be able to say hey, yeah,
it's it's represents and resembles life and you just you

(36:56):
don't stop. Sometimes I don't know whether to turn left
or turn right, but I got to keep moving forward,
always be progressing.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Look at this twenty seven years later, Bennett Davison has
turned into the philosopher.

Speaker 9 (37:07):
Thanks, Oh my god, Confucius and Bennett you know the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yes, thanks man, Thanks for coming on. I'll see you
in a couple of days. Have fun. That was good, Yeah,
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Bruce Pasco, Bruce, how you doing good?

Speaker 9 (41:45):
How are you guys?

Speaker 2 (41:45):
We're doing fine. Thanks? You want to keep you just
for a couple of minutes? Uh? How? How How intense
was the story today with the hunting and gathering of
numbers on the football team?

Speaker 19 (41:57):
Well, I mean, you know, it's just basically estimate. They've
made it clear they're not going to tell us what
these guys are making. And all they're saying is that
they're going to give away the maximum amount of twenty
point five million and what they call revenue sharing, but
basically just salaries and so but I went by this
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(42:18):
over since anil basically started four years ago, and they
they run a lot of deals through them, they deal
with conferences, blah blah blah. Their their information is pretty credible,
and they've basically said sixty five percent is the average
of that twenty point five million. On average, schools are
giving sixty five percent of that to football. So if

(42:40):
you follow by that, so all I was doing the
same what they were if Arizona followed that good path,
and they might not because Arizona probably wants to give
more to men's basketball, maybe track, maybe baseball a little
bit bigger than other pieces because of their tradition to
those sports. So you know, but if they went by
the averages, and then they also break down open doors,

(43:02):
breakdown averages of every position group, and furthermore, the estimate
how much they estimate across the board. On average, starters
make eighty percent of that what they estimate a position
group would get. So by doing all that math, and
you know, I just threw out some estimates of hey,
this is what they would pay if they followed this,

(43:23):
But again we don't know exactly what they're paying them.
And also it comes this is just the school provided money.
You know, a lot of these players got money from
nil deals before the house settlement was approved, and so
they could be making a lot more than this overall.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
You know, it's really a whole new world. How do
you expect yoursel to be managed? I mean, how how
they're going to keep track of this?

Speaker 19 (43:45):
Well, you know they you know, I think they've they've
they've you know, Arizona and all schools have had a
kind of general manager positions, and I think those people
basically their job is to kind of run these deals
through them. And now with this house deal, everything kind
of goes through the school, which is you know, it
gives them a little more control because before these nil
deals were between the collectives, which weren't supposed to be

(44:08):
attached to the school, and then the agents and the
players and the collectives would work out something and the
coaches would kind of say, Okay, that sounds good or whatever,
but they're not supposed to be involved. Now everything goes
go through the school, so they can kind of manage
it that way.

Speaker 9 (44:20):
But you know, this is like a you know, it's
an ever.

Speaker 19 (44:23):
Evolving thing that changes all the time, and so you know,
who knows how it's exactly going to play out like that?

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Did any of this surprise you? In terms of figures
or whatever, not.

Speaker 19 (44:35):
Really, because you know we've heard so much, you know,
across the year, the last couple of years, as far
as nil and kind of you get a feel for what,
you know, what positions are our most valuable. I think
maybe it tilted very heavily towards the quarterback, you know,
which is not a surprise because you know it's such

(44:56):
a huge part of football. You know they're estimating that, uh,
you know, quarterbacks would get on on average if you
followed all their averages two point two six million for
the whole group, so and the starter getting eighty percent
of that means an average Power Conference quarterback would be
at one point eight. Now, whether no, if the fetas
are in that ballpark or not, I don't know, but
that's what you know, he might be his market value,

(45:19):
it might be ass I mean, he's you know, a
solid Power Conference quarterback as he is, you know, and
then you know there's some other positions I think you know,
special teams didn't get. They don't get you know, pennies
compared to some of the other players. If that's true,
you know, there's some.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Interesting things there.

Speaker 19 (45:35):
And but but you know, not in any huge surprise.
Just I think it's just like today's point. It's just
this whole deal is like, uh, you know, we're seeing
at least a little bit of how it's you know,
it really is a business, and it's really pro pro
college slash pro sports for looking at now right right.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Well, Bruce, thanks for your time real quick and we'll
see you soon. Thank you. Yeah, all right, thanks Bruce
Pasco from the Daily Star. I'm gonna have uh no.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Jay, Yeah, check that article out of Tucson dot com
because it was it was definitely an eye opener.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
It's one of those things we knew this was coming,
but when he lays.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
It out there with the facts and figures, and again
he mentioned these are not necessarily going to be the
U of A figures, but they're in general with quarterbacks
and with you know, the difference between a quarterback and
difference between you know what he's going to get in
a defensive back.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
You know, things like that, and it's going to be
playing out all over the country everywhere.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Got an the call, Hello, you're in the air nine
in the ball? Who's this? Hey, j what do you have?

Speaker 9 (46:30):
I got? I got?

Speaker 8 (46:31):
I got Max Mahler here he's the MVP of the
league and the quarterback.

Speaker 9 (46:34):
Of the Green Bay Blizzard.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Great, great, thank you, Ay Max, Max. I'm with Dave
Silver as well. Hey, congrats on the honor. Now you
just got to win tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Huh yeah, one more to go.

Speaker 8 (46:49):
You know, it's in a long, long year, but it
comes down to tomorrow night and we're ready to roll.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
What did you do? What you know your stats in
terms of passes and catches and TVs?

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Do I know my stats?

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (47:06):
I think I ended up with ninety one touchdowns this year. Yeah, yeah,
I couldn't tell you the passing and rushing, but I
believe I end.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Up at ninety one.

Speaker 8 (47:17):
But you know, that's that's the arena football for Yeah,
you know, we average over fifty points per game and
you never you never know how many how many touchdowns
do you get in one game?

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Tell us what Tucson fans can expect tomorrow nights if
they've maybe they've never been to a game.

Speaker 8 (47:33):
Yes, the arena football, you know, fifty yards, we play
basically inside of a hockey rank fast paced clock is
ticking basically the whole time. For some third quarters, it's
it's really fast. A lot of points, you know, cool
aspect to the arena football or deuces. So you kickoffs,
get it to the goal post, you get two points.

(47:54):
So there's just some fun things in this in this
arena game that makes it pretty interesting for all fans.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
You guys finish ten and six, is that right? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (48:05):
Regular season ten and six and we're twelve and six
now he's just won the Eastern Conference championship.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
We know the Veigas cut fire late. Did you guys
kind of cut catch fire as well?

Speaker 6 (48:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (48:19):
We you know this year we never really won many
in a row, and you know it's it's we were
ten and six, ended up being the second seed in
the East, but we never felt comfortable. Like I said,
this arena league, it's you don't show up one game,
you can get blown out. So you know, we actually
lost the last regular season game and you know that

(48:42):
was a wake up call for us. In the past
two playoff games, he's taking.

Speaker 9 (48:45):
Care of business. But like I said, if you don't
show up to play, you can get blown out any night.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah. Yeah, Where did you play? College?

Speaker 9 (48:52):
Waller University, Wisconsin, Whitewater. So it's a Division III school
about an hour and a half from Madison, where the
Wisconsin Badgers play. So you know, it's pretty cool. It's
pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Playing in my home state.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
I was just gonna say, so they knew who you were.
You probably flung it there as well, and then he
ended up here. So nice. Nice, you're probably a nice
and this, don't take this wrong, but a nice hometown
hero out there.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (49:19):
So I grew up around Madison, Wisconsin.

Speaker 8 (49:21):
Went to college in Wisconsin Whitewater, and now.

Speaker 9 (49:23):
I'm playing professional football in Green Bay.

Speaker 8 (49:25):
And as you know, Green Bay is the smallest market
in the NFL. So it's just, you know, it's pretty special.

Speaker 9 (49:33):
You know, Wisconsin born and brad and it's pretty the
most special thing about it is always having friends and
family at all my games. Sure.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
In fact, we talked to your coach, I think earlier
this week and we you know, it was like eighty
two degrees over there. How are you dealing with the heat?

Speaker 9 (49:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (49:50):
You know this this guy right here on the phone,
I mean, I can't. This heat is crazy and I've
been outside not more than ten minutes.

Speaker 9 (50:00):
It's at a time we got here Wednesday, and uh, yeah,
it's just I feel a little.

Speaker 8 (50:04):
Off, Uh you know, but I'm getting used to it now.
But man, when I got off that plane, Uh, it's
it's a sauna, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, you know those big chickens you see at Costco. Well,
that's what we are here until until we find our
ourselves inside the good thing. It's going to be insight
on Saturday. We're hoping for a great car crowd. And
I'm sure Dave you had one more question.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
And I was just going to say, yeah, it's great
that the game is here in Tucson.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
I don't think a lot of people even realize that
the championship was going to be here up until just
a few weeks ago. But this is going to be
awesome to have it, you know, a little national TV
and a big moment for the league. So we're looking
forward to seeing it.

Speaker 9 (50:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (50:40):
Yeah, and I it's on CBS Sports as well, So
I mean, this is this is a national televised game,
and you know.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
It's two sons.

Speaker 8 (50:47):
Quite the city. I've enjoyed it, great team meals all
across the city. So thank you guys for having.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Us great great, We'll take care. We'll see you there tomorrow.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (50:56):
I appreciate it. Talk to you guys.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Thanks thanks, Yeah, one, no team had no guy had
ever done that, right, ninety one touchdown? Oh yeah, combined whatever,
that's ridiculous, crazy numbers shooting game.

Speaker 6 (51:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
Well it's funny too because their coach when we talked
to him, he was.

Speaker 10 (51:13):
Like, what he doesn't want Yeah, exactly, he doesn't want
a high score in one and he wants to focus
on the defense and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Sorry, I don't think that's possible.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
That's not possible in indoor football. Isn't ever been basically
in the fifties at least.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
It's like when you go to basketball, you ate basketball,
and you stayed the first one to eighty. Usually this
is gonna be the first one to fifties. Easy, Yeah,
we are doing time. We can go, We'll go. Okay,
let's go and come back. Uh, maybe we'll get somebody
else on the other side as well