Hour 1- August 28, Kelvin Eafon

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Welcome, everybody. This is Steve Roberta. I have a special
guest in today, doctor Kevin Lehman. Cannot get enough philosophy, psychology,
free advice, all that from Andy Lopez.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
So I have Kevin Leeman in today. Yeah, Hey, good, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (00:48):
I did a podcast this morning with a couple out
of Nashville, and they said, well, you know, by reputation,
I knew we were gonna have fun, but I didn't
know we're gonna have that much fun.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yes, how long were you on?

Speaker 7 (01:00):
Hour?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
I guess who walks in the door. Yeah, I've seen
that guy before, violation. Mister Kevin Leeman and Ricky Hunley.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
What a cast of characters.

Speaker 6 (01:12):
Yeah, we were working out the gym together every day, Rick,
That's what we do.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah. Some people get results in some don't. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
I don't know who to say. Who got Good to
see you guys. I spend more time with you than
anybody in this world.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I know because you always got you on the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
On the back and you call me whole hours of
the night, texting me, calling me.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, that's what you do, right.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
If you want stuff done, if you want to be
treated like a ball, that's why I do this. I
want to be Could you pay me like what you
guys got. Ball Players don't get paid, you know. Ball
players don't get paid.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Hell, you haven't been paying attention to the ni l
you know what that means. I wasn't a part of it. Yeah,
when I play, you get paid. No. No, we did
it for the love of the game.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
And that's why this guy, Kevin Leeman goes through all
the practices.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah I do. I like to watch practice. I like
to watch kids. What are you looking at?

Speaker 6 (02:08):
I like to watch kids footwork. I like to see
how they can roll off a defender or an offensive
lineman or whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
So tell me, did you go when this guy was
kind of yelling at the kids?

Speaker 8 (02:19):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (02:19):
Yeah, yeah, he was so enthralled with Larry. You know,
probably didn't notice me, but yeah, I was there. And
then because I played with Larry at noon, we played
basketball he beared basketball.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
It was a bloody mess. Oh yeah, back in the day.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
Yeah, I was there when when Jim Young elbow Jeff Green,
God bless Jeff, and fractured his nose. You know, they're
all competitive, you know, get a bunch of coaches together.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I was there to keep people loose. So I had
nicknamed this is nineteen eighty three. Yha, way back, Yeah,
I was. I go back. He was just a young man.
He was sooner than that. In nineteen eighty.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
Yeah, I got my you know, I started the U
of A. I got out of college in Chicago. Thanks
for asking.

Speaker 9 (03:03):
Do you remember the guy in the gym. He's a
coming there doing lunchtime. He just spent around in circles.
He was just that was his exercise. Was just spind in, Michaelle.
He just it wasn't the man was no, no, no,
I don't remember that, tell you the truth.

Speaker 6 (03:19):
But I go back, way back to when you know,
my first introduction to U of A football, I was
I was a head resident, the head dorm rat.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
And Bob Swab was a d What you are you
telling me?

Speaker 6 (03:30):
This is nineteen late sixties, okay, nineteen sixty eight, way
back and I did a good job. I know, I
did a good job, and kids seemed to like me,
and I you know, Dean calls me. He says, hey,
leave and he is such a good job. I'm going
to send you over to Santa Cruz a patche hall.
I said, wait a minute, that's where the football team

(03:53):
and I'll tell you. The year before I got there,
some guy I know his name, I remember Himke was
you yesterday? He hit the head resident and broke his
ice hocket, okay, and put him in the hospital. So
I told the Dean as nice as I could, Dean,
I love you, but I don't love you that much.
I ain't going over there, so I'm so stupid. He

(04:14):
talked me into going. So I went there and the
dorm had I mean, they tore the place apart. They
have fire alarms every I came in and believe it
or not, the u of a old sweet Johnson gave
me the Yeah. He gave me the Student Personnel Award,
and he gave the dorm an award. We had no damage,

(04:35):
we had no fire alarms to speak of. I mean,
we might have won the whole year or something.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
The most improved place in the country. But you know
what we did.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
It's sort of interesting because these kids come in August.
I mean kids, Ricky was once a kid, and they
come and they're you know, high school hanchos, and they're
ready for but their kids, and they come with their mama,
and we.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Met them at the curb.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
My skinny little assistance are carry and kids as big
as Ricky Hunley their luggage to their room. We serviced
the living heck out of them. Well, I got news
for you. At Lehman Academy of Excellence. Guess what we
still do today. We meet the kid at the curb
and it makes all the difference in the world. And
we set a culture in that dorm that said, hey,

(05:18):
we're not doing this. And I had football players when
guys were, you know, doing things they shouldn't be doing.
Went down and grabbed a guy by her neck and said, hey,
we like it here and we're not going to put
up with this, or you're gonna get a little bit
more treatment than this.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
So law and order. The kids.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
The football player, they said, kids, Their kids are eighteen,
nineteen years oldmost of them.

Speaker 9 (05:38):
You know what, It has such an impact when you
step on a campus for the first time, you don't
know anything. You don't know where the bathrooms are, and
it's like everything is new, right, and so anyone who's
lending you a helping any of that's right. You know
they're a friend, and so you're going to look up
to them, you're going to respect them.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
I remember lady named Peaches.

Speaker 9 (05:59):
She used to grab us and we had to do
our registration and we didn't know how to pull cards,
and she would get all of our cards pulled because
you had to go into old main and you had
to go table to table to table for your classes
class and she had a system down and she got
it domb for us. But features was like everybody's mind,
when did you feel comfortable?

Speaker 3 (06:20):
At what point.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Even I'm talking at academically season started because why you
guys were well academically.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I didn't feel comfortable because you know, school was.

Speaker 9 (06:31):
Top, you know, you know, and I I wasn't a
dumb kid, but.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
I wasn't the brightest kid. Because I would.

Speaker 9 (06:38):
Listen to older people who say, hey, take this class.
If you take this class, this guy likes football players
and you don't have to go to So I took
that class and made sure the teacher knew me, and
I went and shook his hand and said hello. And
then I didn't show back up until finals, and he
flumped me and I had to take the class over again.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
It was an easy class. I got an A.

Speaker 9 (07:01):
But it's like, don't always listen to the seniors.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
That's so true. He's not the first kid that happened. No,
I did that for self paced math. But you know
who is a genius.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
I'll go back to Dick told me for a minute,
Tomy had a dinner and he always and he catered
the dinner at his house. He lived just east of
the university, and he always invited myself in Sandy. But
the whole thing was the ballplayer brought their favorite professor
to the dinner. And that was a genius idea. And
once I asked Dick, I said, Dick, don't take this wrong,

(07:33):
but you know you always invite me here and why
And he said, he said, Kevin, you're the kind of
guy I want hanging around our kids. That's all he said.
But that was Dick. Dick was a player's coach, if
ever was. He didn't give a room about much, but
he cared about his kids.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Well.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
Larry, Larry Smith, his coach. He showed his emotions on
the sleeve. He was an inspirational guy, you know, and
between he and his wife.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
In fact, I'll tell you a funny story about he
and Cheryl.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
We're walking in the ball game and Cheryl's walking up
the ramp with me into the uh east side of
the like and she sees me up above.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
She yells out, Hey, Kevin.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
I figured out how call Larry and I are still
together after all these years, she said, because I never
see him.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
She had a great humor.

Speaker 10 (08:21):
Yeah, yeah, she's still around. I see you with the
game down. She comes down to practice once in a while. Yeah. Yeah,
it's great to have you, guys. I'm going to get
philosophized here for an hour.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
You can stay well, who knows, right, you have a
big show going out this weekend.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Cry again.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
I'm my eyes and my ears are both crying for you.
I want to, you know, our buttering new show, the
Honey Huddle.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
They got my huddle? Yeah I did. I just tried.
I just got back from New York, so okay, So yeah,
we're doing something on the pre game. Yeah, with the
Honey Brothers or I am at least oh you're bringing
the bright one with you to Yes. I like he's
the more practical one, this guy. Do you sleep because
you're like, I'm getting texts, I'm getting called at all

(09:11):
hours from you.

Speaker 9 (09:12):
When it's important. You don't need to sleep. Sleep's overrated. Okay,
you gotta want to be successful morning.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
You want to breathe. No, you know what.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
That's what I found out about you. Your brother warned me, Uh,
because you're kind of an intense dude. You're not too
intense with this, but you're kind of intense.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
So and you know, there's a there's a level of intensity,
and yeah, I get that. You're kind of all over
I got I got the email too, So we got
to figure out how to play it Saturday, make it happen. Trying,
I'm trying. I can't keep up with you guys. You
guys are too fast for me. He's been cruising all
his life. Now you.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
May catch your past. I hope, so, I hope. So
just don't throw it too too hard. You get to
the go line, will do the push. No, don't be
touching me. Don't be touching me. I don't don't keep
your heads off off I fall down. No, CPR to
E let me alone. So any stories on this guy? Oh,
none that I could tell, No, not.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
None, None in the public city. No, okay, no. But
he's know he was a as a kid. I mean
he was a force. You know, kids today are huge.
You know back when he started playing, kids weren't huge. Well,
they really were.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Tell me before you go there, what did you weigh
when you played fo?

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Fifteen to fifteen six two no six win three cours
of an inch? I want to tell you that was
a big kid.

Speaker 6 (10:35):
Well, back in the late U sixties and the seventies,
early seventies, we had a defensive end. He was two
hundred and twenty eight pounds and I remember thinking, wow,
two hundred and twenty eight pounds. We have kids, we
have recruits, command the freshman and the kids. Three seventeen
in six seven, Steve.

Speaker 9 (10:53):
They have a kid over there, and I'd say practice,
he's three seventy and what position?

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Defense?

Speaker 9 (11:00):
Three seventy and a three eighty and one's a defensive
tackle and one is an offensive.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, and what do you when you look at that?
What do you what do he goes through your mind like,
this guy has potential?

Speaker 9 (11:09):
What do you think he'll be thirty pounds later by
the time this season, and and again next year after that.

Speaker 6 (11:16):
He better be because it all gets back to that
kid's footwork. Yeah, you got to be able to move.

Speaker 9 (11:21):
I mean you can run, Yeah, circles around a refrigerator
just standing there.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
You could do that. I have. But if that refrigerator
can move, you got problem. I'm just trying to get
that refrigerator to open. They open with those long arms,
and then you can't get around them. The cylinders twice
as wide, right right.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Tell me real quick before we go to break, we're
gonna have kill. Then Ethon on the show in the
first hour to talk about his thoughts on this weekend's game.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Memories from the good old days? You got anything, real quick?
Oh the good old days, I go. I'll take you
care And how far do you go back? Well to
the good old days?

Speaker 6 (11:56):
Well, I came here, I got thrown out of college,
I came down here, worked as a janitor at TMC,
finally got my life turned around, went back to school,
and I really got interested in just being around watching
football and basketball and baseball. But we're talking bear down
gym days. This is before McHale, But One of the

(12:16):
stories that was passed down to me was way back
in the nineteen forties, and you'll love this because it
it's about New Mexico.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Okay border company.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
Some ballplayers decided they wanted something to eat, so they
went down to Campbell where the farm is Experimental Farm,
and they found them some prize chickens. And they took
the chickens back to Greenley Hall, Graham, Greenlee Hall, whatever,
and they cooked them and they got them big time trouble.

(12:47):
And the next week we played at New Mexico. And
apparently this is what I was told from Ardna students,
that the banner in the New Mexico paper said, welcome
Arizona chicken thieves.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Just thought that was really fun of those college pranks.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
I was Adena students for ten years down there, and
the ballplayer of the coaches, like lud Olsen, he would
send his boys over all the coaches. If somebody need
a little talking to, they send him to doctor Lehman,
because I would sort of talk with them in.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
A real straight direct.

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Imagine the books we could write, Badgine the books we
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I've got a couple I'll never tell They'll go down
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This is I on the ball with Steve Rivera.

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On Box Sports fourteen fifty.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
He hery, Welcome back to line the ball here on
Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. In with me
today is Kevin Leman and Ricky Huney. You might know
the two we're winning for Kelvin. He find a call.
I hope I gave him the right number by two
O four one four forty. Here we go here he
is here, he is Kelvin. Is this shoe, Kelvin? Maybe

(18:26):
this one? Kelvin? Is this shoe?

Speaker 8 (18:29):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yes, now we can hear you. Now, how are you?
I mean?

Speaker 4 (18:31):
With Kevin Leman and Ricky Hunley. Good to hear your voice.
You ready for another season?

Speaker 17 (18:37):
Oh yeah, now, man, I'm excited.

Speaker 7 (18:39):
I'm ready to see these guys play and see what
it's gonna look.

Speaker 17 (18:42):
Like this year.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
I had Barrett Baker on yesterday. You were cod one
of you guys CO captains back then.

Speaker 17 (18:49):
Yeah, yes, I guess. Well, Chris vy Callister too.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
So okay, Korea, three of you.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Let me say that I have Ricky here and I
hope he doesn't cross these computers and tackle me here.
But let me ask you, you kind of had control
of the locker room, and people need to have control
of rock room.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
It looks to me that Brett Brennan's ready to go.
I think he's got the culture ready to go and
now we just in my mind, I think he has
all that ready. But what if he How do you
get the guys to buy in?

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Okay, maybe last year that was the case where it
didn't happen that much. How do you guys as players
get to believe?

Speaker 7 (19:26):
Well, I think I think a lot of the belief
comes in the guys. You know, the work that they
put in together, the time that you put into the
meeting room, I mean, it just feels like all that
time that you put in together, man, it seems like
you want to get some out of it, and the
biggest thing that we want to get is a victory.
So I think it has a lot more to do
with the players and than the coaches. I mean, uh,

(19:47):
I think coach Brennan is has his guys now. I mean,
I think a lot of the guys that stuck around,
uh that came back into his year two are guys
that really want to be around them. And there's a
lot of change with the guys he brought he's bringing in.
So I think those guys are gonna have to get
together and find out game time who the real leaders
are among those guys.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
Yeah, those guys, those guys want to play at Arizona.
They're working hard and that motivation is there. I've watched it.
I mean you can feel the chemistry the kids. They
like each other. The coaching changes he made were really good,
good choices of my estimation, I think they're gonna be
a fun team to watch. I think offensively they're gonna
be quick, and I think defensively they're gonna be tough,

(20:29):
tougher than people are giving them credit.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
For which side of the ball you think is gonna
be better right now?

Speaker 7 (20:35):
Early, Well, we always think defense because it takes a
little more time for the offense to come together.

Speaker 17 (20:41):
Defense just flying around, you.

Speaker 7 (20:44):
Know, hitting guys, So you would expect for the defense
to be a little more ahead. But with Fafida a quarterback,
the four spread out offense, the new offensive coordinator style. Uh,
you know, he gets the ball out quick. He spreads
the ball out, you know, amongst a lot of players,
and he actually runs the ball with three different guys.

(21:05):
I just wonder how they're gonna figure out. I noticed
that Marshall, his quarterback, ran the ball a lot, So
I wonder how they're going to figure out if Lord
is going to run the ball now or how that's
gonna work.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Anything, Ricky, any questions?

Speaker 17 (21:21):
You know?

Speaker 9 (21:21):
The thing that I can remember when a team is
going through adversity, when bad things happen, it kind of
erodes at a team's confidence. And last year with one
a cl yeah, two injuries or to three, as you know,
you start losing confidence and faith that you can actually

(21:43):
finish and finish strong when every time you turn around
it's a new injury. It's something that's a new setback
that you're trying to overcome, and you're trying to develop
new players, and you're trying to get them up to
speed where their belief is at the level that they
can they know that they can ruin, and they know
they're the guy, and well, they've been playing behind the
guy all year, and you go from a first team

(22:05):
guy in most cases to a third team guy as
far as skill wise, because this guy's been playing that
position for two years and now he's not there. I
think that is he raised. I think we got a bigger, faster,
stronger team. You got a group of guys that have
come together and jail together.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Sixty one new faces. I mean, that's a lot of people.

Speaker 9 (22:26):
But they're making that happen and they're having fun out there,
and they bought in.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
I tell you, I can see it.

Speaker 9 (22:31):
They bought in a one hundred percent to what coach
Brennan is selling.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Kevin, have you been to the practice at all?

Speaker 17 (22:39):
You know?

Speaker 3 (22:39):
I yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
No, you know, actually I didn't because I meet myself
with the way the transport portal is going.

Speaker 17 (22:48):
I think the guys need time to come together.

Speaker 7 (22:50):
It's great you know the guys that are talking now
saying that they see a lot of the chemistry coming together.
And and I like, you brought a lot of guys
from D one double A, guys that love ball because
they played a lot of those schools for four years
and now they're getting their chance at big time D
one football.

Speaker 18 (23:06):
So no, I gave him a little time. I want
to give coach Brandon.

Speaker 7 (23:09):
Time to get those guys all on the same page.
And I want to go out there fresh and just
see the energy. I'm gonna be on the sideline, man,
because I want to be right there because I want
to steal the energy and see who who the leaders
and who the captains are because like you said, sixty
one new guys, Hey.

Speaker 17 (23:25):
We don't know who the leaders are.

Speaker 7 (23:26):
So I'm just excited to get down there and see
who the guys are going to step up. Because a
lot of guys be good in practice, man, we know
how they go. A lot of guys are good at practice.
They're good at talking at practice, they're good at making
plays at practice.

Speaker 17 (23:38):
But you know, right now in Arizona, we need guys
that's going to make plays on the field. And I'm
excited to see those.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
Guys, Kevin, bigger, stronger, faster. Yeah, I think all the
way around. I think the idea of our quarterback, you know,
Noah running. He's gonna run more this year. Last year
he ran to save his life quite frankly. But as
Ricky pointed out, always injuries that just testimates a team
takes away the morale. They're starting fresh, Like Ricky said,

(24:06):
they bought in and I'll take chemistry any day, I'll
take culture any day.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
And so these this team's gonna be reminiscent in one
of those old Tony teams. I think that's gonna surprise
the heck of a lot of people. I don't think
I'll be fine to watch.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
So tell me, Kevin, I don't remember ninety seven, ninety seven,
What was the season like that year?

Speaker 7 (24:27):
Well, it started out, you know, we lost a tough game,
I believe the argon, and then I think we went
like one in three, one in four, and it wasn't
looking good man. It was looking like, you know, guys
are gonna get down, and people you know, wasn't coming
to the games as much. But you know, we all
came together. We all came together. And I always tell
people That was the season that catapulted us into the

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ninety eight season because we came together. We won like
the last five to six games and ended up winning
a Bowl game as well. And I just think those
hard times we went through at the getting of the year,
and all the guys that stuck it out and stayed together,
it just came together over that summer and made for
an amazing ninety eight season.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
That's why I asked, do you think last year's whatever
you want to call last year will help this season
progressively or whatever?

Speaker 3 (25:16):
You know, even emotionally, Yes, I.

Speaker 7 (25:19):
Do, because I think that you man, you just had
that new dad. I always keep saying, yeah, that new
dad that came in with a new family, and a
lot of people didn't buy in. A lot of you know,
the injuries happened to the running back, not having that
running back. I told people all before Crosby married, not

(25:40):
having that running back. Who's doing amazing now, you know
with the Ridskins.

Speaker 17 (25:44):
I thought that was huge.

Speaker 7 (25:45):
I thought that really hurt us, especially after we lost
Coleman to Washington. But I just think you got guys
that really want to be here, guys that have something
to prove you brought all those guys from Texas State,
those different Louisiana Division two.

Speaker 17 (26:00):
I mean the Vision one double.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
As I said before, those guys are excited to prove
that they.

Speaker 17 (26:04):
Can play at this level. So I understand what that
energy can do.

Speaker 18 (26:08):
And I'm gonna say this too.

Speaker 7 (26:09):
Those guys are not JUCO players. A lot of the
biggest thing different from a JUCO player to these four
year transfer guys is is that a JUCO guys two years.
You're talking about four year guys that have had experience
being all conference level guys. I just think that that
transition is going to be quicker than a lot of
people may expect.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Tell me, Ricky, because you've coached at this level number
of years. The difference between a guy who just GAC
guy and a guy who's played three four years because
you've coached him, well just light years.

Speaker 9 (26:38):
Just between a freshman and a three year transfer player.
I mean, you don't have to deal with all the immaturities.
You got guys that are focused. They only know they
only have one year left to get it done. Guys
are more focused, They're more dialed in, and they know that, hey,
I'm truly a one and done. If I can't get
it done now. Every player has dreams and aspirations of

(26:59):
going to the next level. Yeah, well, you know I'm
gonna make it so, but who's gonna put in the work.
And you're more likely to have a guy who's three
years of experience to put in the work than a freshman.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Well, it's funny you say that, and then we'll talk
about this is Calvin real quick. You've got to transfering
the one and done. Either you're gonna do really well
or guess what, you're gonna be get replaced by another
dude coming in a year later. Yeah, and there's no
better motivation than that.

Speaker 9 (27:24):
Yeah, I mean I got an opportunity as a true
freshman senior, got heard later the rest of my career.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah you weally Pipton. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (27:30):
Well, and just like what uh Ricky just said, I
believe it's even not next year. Those guys got to
perform now because this guy's right behind him. You look
up and down that roster, it's red shirt seniors, red
shirt juniors. I mean those are grown men. So the
guy in the front can't slip up much because they're
not gonna I don't think these coaches got a whole season,

(27:51):
a way till next year for the guys to develop.
I think those guys understand now, especially being an older guy.
You you know, my junior senior understood right away there's
freshmen and juco.

Speaker 18 (28:02):
Guys coming to take my position.

Speaker 17 (28:04):
No, you're not having it.

Speaker 7 (28:05):
So I think those guys understand that already from being
older guys, that they're gonna have to lock down and
come in and play ball right now, or the coach
is gonna go with somebody else. As we see with
three new starting receivers that right, they're proved that coaches
not going with their old guys. They're going with whoever
guys that earned the position to be number one. So
and even on the offensive lineman, uh big, I think

(28:26):
it's two, but he's not even starting.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, let me say this, you're the one of the big.
Listen to all you guys and maybe short quick answers.
Arizona will have a winning season if you first kept don't.

Speaker 7 (28:40):
If the offensive line stays healthy and plays well.

Speaker 6 (28:46):
Okay, I hate to copycare that, but that offensive line
is the key.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
And you've been watching him this wooting kid. You know.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
I'm not going to comment negative on but he had
a lot to learn, and moving him from tackle inside
the guard was a genius move. I'll wait and see that.
But that's a big question mark that offensive line. But
I like the rest of it all the way around.
I think we're going to be very competitive and we're
going to surprise some people.

Speaker 9 (29:14):
Ricky, red line, win third down on offense, win third
down on defense.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Simple as that good answer. That was quick, holy Cross.

Speaker 6 (29:24):
It's simple until your lineman jumped and now you god
yeah right.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
And here's another one, Kelvin. If you talk about the
zone twenty the red zone course, because they didn't.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Have it was not a lot of success last year. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (29:41):
No, I'm a old school little bit. I like having
the fullback in there and bringing the tight ends. I
like letting them know that we're coming and we're bringing
it right at them.

Speaker 17 (29:49):
Uh you know.

Speaker 7 (29:49):
I think with the spread, office is going to be interesting.
I think Cofita is going to have to be one
of the guys that have to score around there. Playing
at plus one football. When you add that quarterback run
in and you get an extra blocker with with a
running back. I saw a lot of that from the
Marshall quarterback and Also I think who's a Wisconsin because no,
he's gonna have to really be aggressive around that goal

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line as well being able to.

Speaker 18 (30:12):
Finish some runs because as we all know.

Speaker 7 (30:14):
Man, you have to be able to make somebody miss
or run over somebody at that goal line to be
able to finish down there.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Okay, Now I got to listen to or look at
the offensive line, defensive line, and well, that's where it's
gonna win, right where the're gonna win. And I think
that Fafida has a good year, everybody will have a
good year.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
That's simple. That's simple. Nowfida is the key. He's got
He's he moves well and smart.

Speaker 6 (30:37):
If Seth has got that offense the way I think
it's gonna be, everybody think that. You know, Yeah, they're
gonna be throwing into those half backs all the time,
those running backs. But I think there could be surprises
in there too. I think we're gonna do some very innovative,
innovative things off of his ability to move because he
moves well.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I think they throw one other element in the are.

Speaker 9 (30:58):
When the third downs often simply in defensive Yeah, and
win the turnover battle.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Everything will win. Kelvin.

Speaker 17 (31:08):
Yeah, No, I agree with that.

Speaker 7 (31:09):
I think the biggest key with that is I think
Forfeita in the interceptions, and I think the offense is
actually uh, the offensive court, the new offensive coordinators is
good about getting the ball to the opening guys, spreading
the ball out. Again, I looked at his history and
he's with offenses that have you know, four to five
guys that catch at least twenty balls. So I think, uh,

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that's gonna be huge. It's just him getting the ball out,
finding open guys and not trying to you know, force
it into tight windows.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Last question, last question for everybody. Uh, will Aros want
to go three and zero to start the season, Kevin,
I would think so. I think Hawaii is not gonna
be easy. They got a good quarterback.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Kansas State third game, Yeah, well that'll be a battle.

Speaker 17 (31:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I got two in one right now.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, I know it's Kelvin. I'm kind of leaning your way, Ricky.
It's going to be a battle. The Kansas State game. Yeah,
we went to Kansas State, lost at Kansas State. You're
playing a good team that played in Farmer getting in
Los Aowa State. You know, we're playing at home. I'll
take our chances. Yeah, gotta get some people in that building.

Speaker 9 (32:17):
The twelfth man is the key. You want to win?
All three show up here. Yeah, I totally the house. Yeah,
and let us shoot the damn cannon.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Tell so, uh, tell me real quick, did you played
in front of the crowd?

Speaker 3 (32:32):
How important that is?

Speaker 17 (32:34):
Man?

Speaker 7 (32:35):
You know, I always one of those guys and I
used to always tell my team, and I really meant it.
I didn't care if people were there. But in the
biggest scheme of things, it's always better.

Speaker 17 (32:42):
To have a crowd.

Speaker 7 (32:42):
I mean, you have a crowd that's that's bagging you
and giving you that energy.

Speaker 17 (32:46):
Man, I mean, it just helps push you to another level.

Speaker 7 (32:49):
I mean because and as far as other teams concerned,
because I've been played against teams in loud situations. You
can't hear you jump off side, and you don't hear
something from the quarter that you may need to hear
or your other one of your other teammates. So yeah,
you always rather have a packed house. I think a
pack house will really help these new guys out, you know,
sixty one new guys there, to make them feel at home,

(33:11):
to make them feel like they're appreciated. Because I think
the more they're appreciated, the better they play for us.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, well, Kevin, I always appreciate you. Probably get a
hold of you in a couple more weeks to come back.

Speaker 17 (33:23):
All right, man, appreciate it. Man, talk to you guys.

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Speaker 4 (37:40):
Hey, welcome back to Eye on the Ball here at
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me is.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Devin Leeman, Doctor Kevin Leeman. How are you. I'm good.
I'm always good. You know.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
I live in New York in the summertime, so I've
been enjoying upstate New York and watching the temperatures.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
So when did you come back? I just got back.
I got back yesterday. Oh really, gone country at the
perfect time. I literally just flew into town.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
My flight out of New York was five hours late,
so I missed my connection.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
So I ended up in Chicago.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
And I've got a daughter who lives in Evanston, so
I hung out in Evanston's for a night, and then
my wife and I came back yesterday and we're greeted
with no hot water in the house for some reason,
and all those things.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
You know that. So I've been busy.

Speaker 6 (38:23):
But when you suggested I come over a visit with you,
I said, hey, I'll come busy.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
What a life you have? What a life you have? You?
How many books? Seventy some? Su No, no, seventy some yes,
it's now seventy four.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Holy moly, I would have said seventeen May top by.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
No, No, when was your first one?

Speaker 6 (38:41):
Back.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
What was your first one? First? What was back at
nineteen seventy nine? And what was that called? It was
a little parenthood book called Parenthood Without Hassles?

Speaker 4 (38:50):
And did you I'm sure seventy books a lot of
the same material.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Well, what happens in as you know?

Speaker 6 (38:57):
I mean I've written mostly about parenthood, yes, mostly about marriage, Yes, sex.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
We can keep going on to.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Well, you know the thing that I fell in love
with with your stuff is the birth Order book.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Oh yeah, well, people love birth Order. I think it's
spot on.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
And everybody calls during sweeps because they want me on
because they know they're going to get better ratings. People
love birth Order absolutely, doo Steve, It's just crazy. But
I got a book out on leadership, two books called
The Way the Shepherd, and that's about three hundred and
thirty thousand in hardback. And you know, as you know,

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books don't stay in hardback. They're out for a year
or then they go in the paper. This has been
in hardback for twenty one years.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
So let me ask you, because I was working at
the other station and we talked, and you gave me
a call out of the blue. You talked about this
team I'm talking about basketball. This is back in the day.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
You talked about this team does not have enough first borns. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (40:01):
Well, the ninety seven championship team had firstborns and only.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Children galore, which is very important.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
Which is good because those firstborn children are going to
do things right. They tend to be perfectionistic. No. I
remember being a practice once and Lout moved Judd Bushler
four inches four inches and Lout was one of those guys.
Good look at a court and look at those guys,
and he he some coaches just have that, I mean

(40:31):
the great ones.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
And he was a detailed person. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Well Luku walked in wet football players. Yeah, we just
we just lost Ricky Halle and now Jay Dobbins shows up.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Good to see you. Yeah, good afternoon, Thanks for having me.
Yeah you see the headphones there somewhere? Did did Ricky
take him? Ricky? Ricky didn't have him on? He didn't.
I know he did. He had to. I gave him
to him. Didn't. Oh you know what, he didn't. I
probably did there. Okay, hang tight, I'll give him to you.
No wonder he's kind of yeah, he is what he
is good to have you in, are you firstborn?

Speaker 22 (41:04):
I am a firstborn? What Doc was talking about we
go check the box. Yes, But you know, I taught.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
At the police Academy, and I got to tell you
it was more fun those guys. You talk about a fraternity,
it's a fraternity and a half.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
I had more fun.

Speaker 6 (41:19):
But police officers of every type and kind tend to
be firstborn children.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
And one of my fun things to do.

Speaker 6 (41:28):
I mean, I spoke at the Pentagon, and of course
military leaders tend to be firstborn. Our presidence of the
United States tend to be first born. I was speaking
up at the Wisconsin to the Wisconsin Society of Accountants,
and I ain't lying.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
I'm a speaker. I'm a platform speaker.

Speaker 6 (41:45):
I speak in ten twelve thousand people sometimes and I
get up and I don't say, hey, it's glad to
be here anything else. I just say, what are you firstborns?
Firstborn son or firstborn daughter and your FID? Would you
please stand up? And I'm telling you it was so funny.
The whole place got up. They looked at each other
like first like, what's this about? And I said, please
humor me, just get up. If you're firstborn and the

(42:06):
whole place gets up. I said, now have a seat.
Thank you. Now, if you didn't stand for any reason,
would you again humoring one more time and I'll go
back to being a normal person.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
And they stood up and I hand counted them.

Speaker 6 (42:19):
They were eighteen in the audience of accountants who were
not firstborn or only born. I'm telling you you want
your anesthesiologists to be a firstborn child. You don't have
to say well or a few c's's off here, good night,
Dobbins forever you know. So, perfection is slow suicide in
most people's lives, but there's certain occupations, like you want

(42:43):
your air traffic controller to be a perfectionist. But with
that comes stress. And the key when I teach businessmen
what makes you good in your profession is exactly what
works against you in your relationship with your husband, your wife,
your kids.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Jay.

Speaker 22 (42:59):
I think that there's people in life who are content
to be average. Some people want to be great, some
people want to be exceptional, but some people strive to
be elite. And to be elite at anything, you have
to be obsessed, and that obsession is a double edged sword.
Sure it'll push you to great heights, but it's got
a price to pay, that's right. And there's a lifestyle

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involved with being obsessed in whatever it is that you're chasing, right.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
And you pay for it. But right back to football.

Speaker 6 (43:27):
One of the things that some coaches said about coach
Brennan is he lets you have a family and that's important.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah, it's important. So Jay, what did you play at
weight wise and height wise?

Speaker 22 (43:40):
I played at about one hundred and seventy five pounds,
which was going on forty plus years ago. So I
see my way into a four point stance over the
last forty years. Six one ish yeah, six what ish?

Speaker 4 (43:51):
You didn't back down from anybody, It's not kind of
like well Hammersmith, the guys I covered Hammersmidt and d
lou and you guys who I don't care how big
you are.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I want to chase you down.

Speaker 22 (44:02):
I think if you're an overachiever, you have to play
that way. Yeah, that's that is how you get on
the field is by accepting those challenges and not backing down.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Well being reckless. Yeah, Well we just had Ricky Huntery.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
He's in the call now that you're going to be
on the four o'clock hour, and he's like that just
kind of intense and just go after it. Elite players
are those guys. That's how they become elite.

Speaker 22 (44:25):
Well, and I think when you take a Walter Payton,
a Jerry Rice who's been touched by the hand of
God with talent that the rest of us aren't blessed with,
and then you put that work ethic in that and
that drive and that obsession to be elite, that's when
you end up with these Hall of famers, Right, those
are your superstars.

Speaker 6 (44:44):
They have a fifth gear, they really do. And what
Jay is saying is true. But the double edged sword
is what I pay a lot of attention to because
I've helped a lot of people behind closed doors that
are very famous, from actors and actresses.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Is it having to live to who they think they.

Speaker 6 (45:01):
Are, Well, it's just they go so far over the top.
They pay for it in their relationship with those they love.
And that's the bittersuite of it. The key I always
like to talk balance. You know, you play hard, that's fine,
but you got to enjoy kicking back too. But for
those people that are in that, that Jerry Rice and

(45:23):
those guys that there's a certain level that most people
just don't get to do whatever is do.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
You eventually find it? I mean, do they eventually find it?

Speaker 6 (45:31):
Well, and then you've got guys like Jay said, the
guys who are content with being average. You're not going
to read about those guys. They're going to go by
the wayside. They might have great lives, they might be happy,
but they're not going to reach a pinnacle in their
career because it wasn't that important to them.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
So let me ask you, Jay, because you you were
around a lot of good dudes, a lot of good
no names, no names, but I'm sure you in your
in your rosters that you were there for three four years. Uh,
you saw some dudes like that, and then guys who just.

Speaker 22 (46:01):
Wanted to play, of course, And the most frustrating thing
is looking at myself as an overachiever who was always
fighting and struggling to be competitive. When you see someone
who is touched by the hand of God and blessed
and doesn't take.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Advantage of it, It's like if I could just.

Speaker 22 (46:15):
Trade places with him, if I could be him and
he could be me, if I could have that talent
with my work ethic, I could be special.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Right.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Well, you see the Michael Jordan's when he was eventually
trying to coach. They ain't gonna play like Michael Jordan,
and you got to try to get him to play
like How frustrating was that I can't coach because they're
not like me, because they don't have that drive like me.

Speaker 22 (46:35):
But I think those great coaches, with all these different
athletes and talent levels in front of you, a great
coach takes that C level player and turns them into
a B and turns that B into an A and
an A into an A plus. And when you get
A pluses, you almost don't have to coach them.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Leave them alone. They're going to be great on their own,
right right. You listen to my Andy Lopez interviews, have you?

Speaker 4 (46:58):
I haven't a fantastic I think the world of Andy,
and he's a full of my philosopher like you.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
He has his one, two, three players.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
The ones and are the elite players, and then you
don't have to tell them how to play. The twos
are an issue. The threes are the great players because
they want to be ones, so they work their ass
off to be ones. But the twos are the guys
who think they're ones, but they're not ones. So they
have this attitude of he doesn't pay a test to me,
he doesn't think I'm good enough, blah blah blah. They're
the cancers because they think they're ones.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Well, yeah, that's right. Here's the beauty.

Speaker 22 (47:29):
I'm an assistant football coach at salth Point High School
and Bjon Robinson comes on compass and there's there's some
very talented kids out there.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
He's just different.

Speaker 22 (47:39):
He's different than the other kids, and he had a
drive to be amazing, which, of course you look at
how it's turned out for him.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, right, right, trivia time.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
When I was thrown out of college, thanks again for
bringing that up in Chicago, came down and got a
job as a janitor at TMC. I'm making one hundred
and ninety five dollars a month, but I'm working with
a guy who was from Rito, Arizona, by the name
of Leslie Robinson.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Leslie Robinson was his grandfather.

Speaker 6 (48:10):
Great grandfrien great grandfather, and he was a bull of
a man, strong as a horse, and a wonderful human being.
Dirt poor, lived with outdoor toilets. And I told somebody recently,
I said, but he comes into town sometimes. Our kid
from cell point I said. In fact, I was talking
to his grandfather about it. I said, I would love

(48:32):
just to have lunch with him and tell him about
firsthand what his grandfather was like. And he wrote in
with six people from Marana from urto every morning to
TMC and was there at six thirty in the morning.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Well, well, so to your point. And I know you
were at Spot Them and then you'll be head coach
at Tank Comberty. For a while, I knew that dude.
I think you're that dude that gets the most out
of the kids talent or no town.

Speaker 22 (48:57):
As a coach, I was never a great scheme exc
nos guy like I was very aware of that. But
I tried to develop a personal connection with my players.
I wanted them to know that I cared about them
on a personal level. And they played hard for me. Yeah,
they you play hard for people you love, didn't We
just talk about that.

Speaker 6 (49:16):
It's true. You know you met Andy Lopez. You walk
into Anni Lopez office. Next to his phone was my
book on leadership Away the Shepherd, and he called it
as he called it, his second Bible.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
But it's about if the kids know that the coach
cares at whatever level they played harder.

Speaker 22 (49:36):
Well, that connection that Rick had with coach Rogi with Tom,
that that was beyond the player coach relationship.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
There was love there. And he was a tough dude, honey.

Speaker 22 (49:47):
He was but but fair and and and honest and transparent.
And you never had to worry about where Rogi stood
on anything.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
That's okay, we'll go there. You had just to shift
to show what we can do on I on the ball.
We're going to move to Harpo Studios. Okay.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
With Oprah, I did her show like six times, and
I'm telling you Oprah came from nothing to begin with.
But Oprah had such command of those mostly women in
those audiences.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
If she got up.

Speaker 6 (50:20):
And said run through that wall like Lemmings, they'd go
through that wall. But I think that's the personal connection
that she was able to make on television. Yeah, well,
Jay's talking about personal relationship with kids you see every day.
But when you make that intimate connection with that kid,
well you make that intimate connection at the husband and wife,

(50:40):
you got solid gold.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
We'll talk to him because Ricky's going to call in
about four fifteen and you can go back and tell
me stories.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Who is that coach that inspired you.

Speaker 22 (50:51):
I had so many from high school to college here here, yeah, yeah,
do you ve Yeah, Well I played for Mark Lunsford,
who was a young coach. Mark probably only eight or
ten years older than the players.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
And a character maybe we had.

Speaker 22 (51:06):
Yeah, because we're are we didn't have a big age difference.
LUNs understood, uh what it was, what we were going
through as players. He wasn't that far removed from being
a player himself, and he was always encouraging, always positive.
If you made a mistake, you never got beat up
by LUNs you got corrected.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
Yeah, he's still that guy. I mean I've talked to
him every now and again. Wow, I didn't know that
he was your key was.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
A dB coach? He was. He was our wide receiver
coach at that time. Oh okay, he coached some.

Speaker 22 (51:38):
Great wide receivers at Arizona. I'm taking he was a quarterback. No,
I knew that Mark and LUNs was a gun slinger. Yeah,
he had a cannony. I think he still holds the
U of A record for yardage per completion as a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
He smashed the ball down.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
You guys have a lot of the same personality because
gunslinger kind of just like let's go.

Speaker 22 (51:58):
And you know, he would throw ball drill to us
as a coach, and it was like Star Wars. We
would be humming the Star Wars song because he would
he could throw the ball harder than any of the
kids that were on campus.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Yeah, yeah, that's cool, that's cool. You miss those days.
I do.

Speaker 22 (52:13):
But I'll tell you what I miss more back to
what Doc was saying, games and scores and wins and
touchdowns and catches.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I miss the people.

Speaker 22 (52:23):
It's it's always about the people, and and success is
best enjoyed when it's shared.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
True. That's your next book, right there, Listen.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
I don't know, I'm I'm booked out. How many more
I might do? A memoir? I've got so many funny
stories of all the famous people I've rubbed shoulders with.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Yeah, I mean, and I'm sure you have some some
locker room man, some dorm stories. Yeah, I got some
good ones. You know, you got to use discretion. We
got to go to break and come back. Thanks a
bunch