Hour 1- November 19, Jim Rosborough

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
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We have the other guy one. Yes, did you see
that they posted?

Speaker 4 (00:45):
He posted that on the Yes, all nicknames are posted
with with the post today on Twitter. I love it. Yeah,
that's great, It's yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Hey, we're less than two hours away or two hours
away from Arizona versus Yukon. She the odd Whan and
I talked about it, and not that I'm gonna bet
or whatever. But they started at four and a half,
now at six and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
I think a lot of people think highly of a Yukon,
which of course means I think it's a little bit
of a mix of that and the fact that Arizona's
coming off of a trip to La home for two days,
I'm back on the road across the country. Okay, mister Vegas,
that's your philosophy, that's your thought on that, or you

(01:27):
damn good at home. Both can be true, both can
be true.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Or all can be true. It's a great road battle, though,
whatever we want to look at it, we lose. Yes
to go into an opponent's house like Yukon and and
have to go into their territory and prove yourself is
it's gonna It's gonna be an interesting game.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
It's gonna be a great game, no question.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
And then we're about seventy but sixty eight hours away
from Saturday's game. Yeah, o'clock Baylor, Big Saturday, break up
those Wildcats.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Break up those Wildcats. You're gonna turnaround, right if it
plays again. Basketball plays again on Monday, men, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
And then and then Friday. It's a issue. Yeah, a
lot of stuff going on. I'm very happy for the
Arizona basketball team, football team to be playing well. The university,
the the the entire program. What did you think if
you can't speak to this, the new stadium rights naming, I.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Don't have much to say. That's not my that's not
my area of expertise by any means. I think you're
looking at the vision of what the country is doing
right now and it falls in line with it. Right
There's always question marks, but it's it's community driven at
that point with Casino del Sole and with the U
of A, so I think they did what they needed
to do in that moment.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
It helps Arizona football be competitive with the rest of
the country as far as nil, as far as UH playing,
the paying the players what they what they deserve, what
they earn, and and so far this program, this team
this year has earned it.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
I I'm just I can't say no good things about
coach Brennan and his staff and the players. Just to
turnaround in a year's time and the trust and I mean, you're,
you know, a couple of plays away from being eight
and two right now, and in the conversation for maybe
even the playoffs, right, I mean, that's not just a
great bowl game, but even the playoffs. I mean that's

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pretty incredible when you look at it. And now they
get another chance. I think if it stays the course
at as US twenty fifth in the country, so they'll
get to play another ranked opponent next week, so you
never know what can happen.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Yeah, number twenty five a issue in the new CFP
rankings going on the road to Boulder, so more than
likely setting up a big time matchup in Tempe for
the duel in the Desert.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
If you have a or win, you of a if
and when they beat Baylor, is at a top twenty
five matchup for both teams next week.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
You don't think you've a should the top five? It
won't be. Okay, should be how you want to fight
with men? Yeah, let's go. Should be.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
I would love to see you guys literally getting fisticcause
right now, I will do the whole show myself.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
If, if, and when, like Blake said, Arizona beats Baylor
on Saturday, you're looking at one of the best three
lost teams in the country. Okay, that doesn't make you
twenty five top twenty five team. I mean apparently it
does for Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
Right.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
It's it's all about branding. Well, it's about brand This
is not apples the apples. If you're looking at it
on paper, if you put team A team B righty, there,
they're pretty similar between a team like Tennessee a team
like Arizona. Now you put those logos and those names
on there. Oh yeah, of course Tennessee is a top
twenty five team, so Arizona's not. So then I love you, son,

(04:37):
But let me tell you the first listen of life.
Nothing is equal and nothing is Nothing is fair in
this world, and that that's why I say it should be,
but it won't be and nothing is equal to Okay,
I don't think that Tennessee and Arizona are. It's a hypothetic.
I'm not saying, yeah, Tennessee or Arizona better than Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
To your point, Tennessee does have a the more cachet
to Arizona's program exactly.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
But I would I would be more.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Shocked if they were in the top twenty five with
a win given there maybe the best seven three team
out there, baby not, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Come on, would you say yes to that? Yes? Holy? Holy? What?
What'd you?

Speaker 2 (05:18):
What?

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Would I lose? You? Hey? Everything's looking good right now
for me. Everything I've been talking about has been looking good. Yeah.
Just a month ago, we thought we were foolish.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yep, he shod. I jumped on that. I jumped on
the one bad wagon very early. I was like, yeah,
I'll hitch my I'll hit my.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
All I'm saying is Arizona is a play away from
being the currently ranked number eleven team in the country.
They're a play away from being the number twenty three
team in the country. I'm a couple of numbers away
from winning the lottery and never seeing you guys again.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
All right, I would haunt you you, I know you
would your house so there would be sign.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Me baby fight me.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Uh why not, I'm you don't giving you yeah, yeah,
because you should, because it's that's far fetched.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
It's far fetched. But I'm just they're exciting team to watch,
the finding ways to win right now. I mean, you
couldn't ask more for a turnout. I'm not making the
argument for or against. I'm just saying, as they I'll
give you my scenario. And I've said this on the
radio before. Right as a general fan, I've become more
engaged with this team over the year because you yeah,

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and I enjoy watching them, right And I there's we
have a group text with my cousin, my dad and
my uncles and we talked about the season and uh,
it's it's I'm into it, right and I want to
see the best form. But I'm bought in because of
the coaching staff. I'm bought into the players' stories and
the culture that they're creating currently.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Do you think there's a similar sentiment in Tucson right now? Yeah? Overall? Yeah, yeah,
just should be more.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I mean, if they win this weekend, they'll be People
love the band Wagon and they love They're afraid of
getting the ankles fort when they jump off, but they
love the BANDA. Let me you something, because you played
the sport, have you and I had this discussion about momentum?

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, we talk about it literally every time.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Your name again. Yeah, it's okay, So you believe in it,
not believe it. I've told you.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
I started the conversation saying I believe it. Okay, So
so I don't you know that. I know what?

Speaker 2 (07:17):
What what about versus confidence? And I'm I'm replacing the
word confidence.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
That's what. So you pitched? Did you go on a
major streak? A major A major? What was your like?
What games?

Speaker 3 (07:28):
My whole second half of two thousand and six? Okay,
essentially on him? I think I I mean, I think
I went six and one in that second half, but
I only gave up.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Maybe I'm a sure and run.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I'm assuming that confidence played a major role in that invincible. Okay,
whether it's momentimum whatever, blah blah blah. You had confidence.
That's what this team has. That's what this team has.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
But they had the they have the willingness to play
for each other, which a lot of teams right now don't.
Don't don't. Yeah, And I think that's the culture that
he's created. That's very impressive.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I wanted to go this one totally changes to
go a ton of tangent on this because last night
the Kentucky got there but handed to them by Michigan
Secle and and Kentucky's in a disarray, apparently the coaches
even saying that the most money people are spending for
a team twenty two million dollars and got beat by
Michigan State, and isogoes and says it's not what we're about.

(08:16):
I'm not, you know, I'm a firm believer. I'm a
firm believer that money doesn't buy success. Dodgers Yankees. Okay,
with the exception, but how you grew up where you
grew up, and you told me the story, and people
kind of know, I would take dudes in my neighborhood
just kind of just gritty, mean dudents who know how

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to play the game over a lot of dudes that
get paid. Well, yeah, I know what you're saying. You're
you're taking grid over grind, the grit and grind over
talent correct, right, Yeah, Oh, you're taking work ethic over talent, right.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
And talent right because that's what they have, right, they have,
But your holidays losing? How are they losing?

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Well, Talent doesn't always win the day, no, And I
mean we've talked about this with Tommy Lloyd and his
program and the things that he's been able to do
is is develop that talent right where they don't always
look the greatest at the start of the season, but
you see the growth over the yeah, the total of
the season.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah. I mean I always want I want.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Guys on the field that are laying it out right,
and they might not be the most talented people, but
they can get the job done. I mean, look at
the Toronto Blue Jays right comparatively to right, the Dodgers
in that lineup to line up, I mean, outside of
Laddie who's an absolute superstar, George Springer was hurt, Bob
Schett was hurt. Everybody else is just grinders. Yeah, I
mean you got guys that it's you know, just grinders.
And some said that they were the better team. They

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just they should have won. They should have when they
had opportunities.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
No, so you understand what I'm saying. And sometimes you
can get paid a lot of money and still no.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, and I think Brennan's I mean, one, you correct
me if I'm wrong. You're the expert in this area,
and my cousin will make sure everybody knows that I
am no expert in college football and I am not
or nor claimed to be. But I mean, if Brennan
can get the higher level three star athletes, he's going
to be successful with the that he currently has. Am
I right in saying that?

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, So you don't need you don't need the eight
million dollars quarterbacks. You need guys that are going to
go in there, fit into your system and know that
you're able to work around those.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
So that's Arizona. I mean, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, it's
been that way since I've been here. And tell me,
because he was the two star, three star guy that
kind of made them play together. Not all the time
in terms of consistent winners. Yeah, but they did pretty well,
you know. Yeah, I'm sure Smith did the same thing.
You grew up around that time, so you know, Twoson

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is what it is or what Arizona is what it is?

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, you know everybody keeps saying that, and can we
hit on that a little bit? Please?

Speaker 3 (10:39):
You are what you are. It is what it is, right,
and we've all said it a thousand times. Yes, you
don't think that you can change you innately as a
human being or as a program.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Do you think there's change change in nineteen eighty three, Yeah,
there was a There was a guy that came in.
He changed the culture if you will, I'm not sure,
you know, and did very well Joe peppatone Yeah yeah, yeah,
littles and came in and changed it. And it hasn't
really left. It kind of disappears for a little bit,
you know, Smitch, but it's back and it's under Tommy

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though we know same thing. He's got pretty good players,
but it's all about development, them playing together, them liking
each other. Uh, you know, guys that are probably well paid.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
But so I just want to him the point and
ask you this question. So when you say Arizona is
what Arizona is, are you saying that this is their
this is their ceiling like we're we're seeing right, the
current team and then program, let's go the current team.
Let's put that away. Sorry, go back to it and say,
program overall, this is what we can.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
At least hope for. You'd have to go.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Through a lot of winning to change that mindset for people,
because you'd be like Jay, and Jay's the first to admit, oh,
here we go again. You know something bad happened, and
you know you're always getting shot in the foot, the
doominglu the expectation that we're going to sail. If you
believe in La Yodna, she's always good for you.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Yeah, yeah, do you like it or not? But but
it just takes time. Luke did that.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I mean, come on, after doing the teams before they
were horrible and he got them slowly, slowly, slowly, and
now people believe.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
I think it has a lot to do in messaging
as well, right, I mean, and on point, what I'm
saying about messaging is when you listen to Tommy about
these games and coming up, it's not okay, We've got
to figure out a way to win.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
It's no, this is good.

Speaker 6 (12:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
We're gonna win some, we're gonna lose some. We're gonna
learn from it.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Like that messaging prepares me as a fan to say, like, oh,
these I don't I want to see a game, but
I don't have They don't have to win every single game.
The expectation is that they're going to continue to get
better throughout the season. We're prepared for March. That is
expectation that I think Tommy Lloyd's setting, and it changed
changed from when he first got here to now. So
I do believe that people innately can change, but it

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takes time.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Okay, now back to your program thing.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah right, I think that it's already changed for this
time and moment point in time that they've changed the
thoughts because you asked that question. I think if they
went on Saturday more, the floodgates start to open. Now,
if you do it again next year and the year after, yeah,
then you have other bigger things to worry about. How

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much are we going to pay the kids that want
to come here? And are we going to keep our coach?

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:25):
I mean that's always a question mark right. I mean,
I think that's a tough one to answer too. I mean,
I think you had the programs to keep those types
of coaches here for the long, long term, long haul.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Remember here lut started this, it's because he didn't want
to go. Yeah, Arizona was fortunate that he didn't want
to go, and he had suitors, but he didn't want
to go, so that kind of helped. Like with Brennan,
and it looks like he could be a guy who
wants to stay.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I think he wants to stay. I don't think you
take that job after what happened with Fish and come
in here and look as a stepping stone. You look
at it, and they think they were very smart with
who they identified as somebody would be here for the
long haul. Maybe not his whole life and his whole career,
but for the long haul. To your point earlier though,
do things change? Yeah, I think that's the question of
the day. And I don't have an answer before. I

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want to fully believe in my heart of heart set
change is possible.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
I'll give you I'll give you a perfect example right today.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Lane Kiffin has been given chances a lot of places,
and and and done.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Really well and not well enough.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
They end up at Florida and end up end up
at Mississippi, and people are saying, why won't you leave?
You've established what you've got you can do, but now
something happens, you know, the dominoes start to fall, and
you have an opportunity.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
What do you do? Lane's going to take the job
of Florida. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
But that's that's who he is, right, And you're saying,
I get what you're saying. You're coming back to the
same point that I said, can he change? The question
is does he want to change? And that's a scenario
and he doesn't strike me as somebody that wants to change.
That's who he is. Jetfish is the same way Jetfish. Yeah,
those are who they are. They're fine with it.

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Speaker 2 (20:04):
Hey, welcome back to my the ball here on flock
Sports fourteen fifty.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
I'm Steve Rivera. You're ready with Blake Eager and one
and now we have PEMA assistant coach Jim Rosborough. Jim,
how are you.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Really well?

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Steve?

Speaker 5 (20:18):
How are you guys?

Speaker 4 (20:19):
I'm fine? Thank you.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
I wanted to touch you on so many levels here.
I wanted to see how the girls are doing so
far at PIMA because I know they're going to be good.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
See we're not quite in sync yet. We're three and two.
We lost to a division there, we lost I'm here.
We played hard, and then we lost the game up
in Michigan in a tournament to a team that we've
played over the years from right in the area of Purea, Illinois.
So but we're we have good players. Just got to

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mix our freshmen in with our our sophomores, and I
think we're we're gonna be good. We have size, we
have some quickness, we have all the ingredients. We made
a shot two weeks ago, so we're on track that's
supposed to be supposed to be humorous, Seve. We need
to need to pick up our shooting a little bit,
but overall, I'm really pleased with our kids, and we

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know how to defend and so on. So yeah, we're
we're gonna be okay. We just build it out of
sync right now.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
How h did you lose a lot of girls from
last year? Women from last year?

Speaker 5 (21:24):
Yeah, we lost two or three of our really good ones,
mostly on the perimeter, so we've got to fill in
our perimeter spots. We have some players, and again it's
a couple of freshmen that are really, really, really good, Steven.
We just got to get them used to playing it's
a little bit faster game now, the college game, even

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though we're not you know, Division I school, but we
did lose some really key players off last year's team.
So and then you only have them two years anyway,
you don't have them four years. And you know, we
got to got to get them integrated in real quickly.
But again, I I think we coach him pretty well
and I think we'll be fine with time. Here.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Hey, Jen, this is Blake. Steve and I were talking
about this earlier, and I want to ask you. You've
been around the game for so long and so many
different capacities. Do you believe you are who you are
or that you can innately change over the course of
your career in what you do? Yeah, in what you
do on a day to day basis.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
Okay, now repeat that again. I'm not the smartest guy,
but I repeat that question again.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, do you so?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Steve and I were having this discussion and we would
I wouldn't say a debate, but a conversation, and he
believes that you cannot change you are who you are
on a day to day basis. Do you believe that
a coach or a player can innately change over the
course of their career.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Ye, pretty tough. I mean, you know, there's a lot
of old sayings about it, and you are what you
are is one thing, so you know you're on coaches
they get on. I saw an interview with Tom Izzo.
Some reporter asked him, well, do you think you're too
tough on him? Well, heck no, he's not to That's
how he's been for years. Kids want to get better,
they want to be coaching. My stance with young ladies,
they really desire to be coached. So I don't think

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as a coach you really change your personality. You guys,
name the good ones that you've seen, including Tommy at
Arizona now and you know the guy at Houston. So
I don't think you can change. And I think players, now,
that's why you coach them. And I think you can
change players and get them fitting into a system, but

(23:31):
all of a sudden, at a crucial time, you better
have done a good job because they'll revert to what
they were before. But I think, yeah, I think for
sure players can change if they want to play. And
Bobby Knight and others have made the great statement. The
bench really changes people. So if you're sitting down at
the end of the bench and you're not doing what

(23:51):
the coach wants to do, you're not going to get in. Coaches,
I think their personalities are going to stay pretty much
the same. If they're a tough, nasty coach, going to
be that way. So that would be my surmise of
a pretty tough question. Yeah, no, I.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Agree because that makes you happy, Blake, and me happy
because I think it's both ways right.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
It depends where you are.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
So here we are in early or mid November, coach
roz in about four or five months, mid April or
mid March, it could be over.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
How do you.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
Well, how do I feel personally? Well, I mean you
kind of know it's time, and I think, Steve, I've
told you guys before. I am battling a lung situation
that prevents I can't I can't travel. I am with
the kids all the time at practice and anything else,
but so I'm a little bit restricted on what I

(24:47):
can do. But are you there, Yes.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
I'm listening.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, yeah, but it is it is probably time. Unfortunately,
going to be a bit over eighty this year, and
as much as I like it, and as much as
I feel mentally, I'm still in tune. And I can
also look out on the court and see who's doing
right or wrong as to what we want. So that way,
I feel okay. But I do think it's probably time

(25:11):
to back off a little bit and maybe do some
consulting or something else, you know, a little bit. But
it's been a good run, a lot of years at it,
and I've enjoyed every second son.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
But yeah, but it's going to be if you're a
little over eighty one. You started this, God, I want
to say when you when Lut found you or you
went to Lut as the hippie guy.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
What year was that? Seventy seven ish?

Speaker 5 (25:38):
Right when he got the Iowa job. Seventy four, So
I met him in the summer of seventy four, our
first season. I've reviewed this. I mean again, we've talked
a lot of times about great coaches. He came in
the first year at Iowa. I think I looked up
the other day one twelve second season at Iowa won
twenty games, and the rest, you know, it's kind of history.

(26:00):
There was one bad year in the next seven, but
he came in and completely turned it around. So yeah,
I started with him in whatever I just said. He
was seventy four, so yeah, yep, quite a run.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
So let me ask you.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
One of the reasons, the main reasons I wanted to
talk to you today is Yukon twenty five years ago. Now,
you happened to be the head coach of the University
of Arizona going to stores.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Could you take me back to that. Were you at
all nervous?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Luke did not make that trip, and I'll revisit that
story in a second, but you were the guy that
day and in a great game.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
Steve, I knew you were going to bring that up.
It was you know, I mean, it was a tough
time for the team with coach not there, but we
had a good group and they we had a pretty
good practice shoot around the day before and a shoot
around game day, and then it was a heck of
a game. I think we were when the golton a

(26:59):
couple of we would I think we got the ball
back or whatever happened, but it was and I saw
Richie by a Saro slater. He's the guy that made
the call. Again. As you guys know, he was a
pretty good ref for the PAC ten and maybe a
pretty good ref around the country. And I saw him
about four or five years later, and he said, Jim,
I'm you know, I wanting to know I wasn't trying

(27:21):
to screw you or anything. I saw it that way,
and I can buy that. But the thing that was
irritating to me is, well, they sent the tape to
the PAC ten office, and the guy calls me from
the pack ten and said, Jim, we spent days reviewing that.
We've gone over backwards. We spent hours and hours reviewing
that call, and we kind of have to agree with it. Well,

(27:42):
if it took that long for you to eacite it,
how does Richie make the call you know, in that
short time. That's what kind of irritated me. It was
probably shouldn't have been made. I'm not even sure he
was in the right position to be the ref to
make the call, but it was kind of heartbreaking. We
did get along passed down the court and I think

(28:03):
missed the shot. I think we tried to get the
ball Tolong at the high post. He caught it and
was going to get it the Christian latner, but didn't
make the shot. So that was tough. It was. It
was a good game. We had a good team, they
had a good team, and we lost by one. So
now that was tough.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, no, it was. It was fantastic. Would you remember
how difficult it was? The only thing I really remember
it was obviously the moment you just talked about in
the goldtending and how good of a close game it was.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
But it was cold. It was cold. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
Well, see, Steve, you're used to down here in Arizona.
When we were at Iowa. We used to come back, Steve,
we were flying in smaller planes and we'd come back
in the ice and snow would cover our whole door
to get into our car. I mean back in the Midwest.
Again you've heard if you haven't been there, the winners
are brutal. And it was cold. One time we started

(28:54):
a game at the University of Wisconsin. They only had
one set of doors, and you could have almost ice
had on the floor. It was so cold and they
only had the one set of doors to keep the
cold out. So we played in conditions that were really
really really pretty tough sometimes and cold.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
So yeah, so let's go back to that game real quick,
because uh, and here you may or may not know
some of this, but uh so I was on the
team flight with you guys going to stores, and something
peculiar was on the on the plane. Luke was not
on the plane right and and you guys know I
was there, and you guys probably knew I sent something.

(29:31):
And Tom Doudlson was the side at that time for
that for that moment, and it was like, you know,
maybe Luke was coming on a different plane because he
was dealing with Bobby stuff. And I'm thinking Rose is
going to probably have to coach even until the next day.
Who knew Luke might have flown in early for that game,
even though it was an early game. It was so
much Was there any pressure or or how did you

(29:53):
go into the game?

Speaker 5 (29:56):
Well, I mean I can't It was two things. Of course,
you wanted your head coach to be there, but you know,
at that point, I've been around the game a lot,
and even taking over for him a couple of games.
I was a head coach at Northern Illinois for three years.
Although we weren't the winning his program in NCAA history,
you know, I was the head coach there, so I mean,

(30:18):
I wasn't afraid. I wasn't nervous. I did want us
to play well. You didn't want to go in there
and get blown out. But we had good kids, and
Justin Wessell told me I gave a little talk to
all the kids before they got off the plane, and
he said, Coach, we were ready to go into the
gym right then and play for you and win for you.
So for whatever reason, the kids were ready and gave

(30:39):
a good effort and got us right down to a
final shot and a kind of a mystery bad call
to take the game from us, but not the one
they But you know, see, you've been around it. You
guys've all been around it. Your stomach is not exactly
in wonderful shape regardless of who you're playing. And you
know you talk to your friend Josh and so, yeah,

(31:01):
you have a little bit of nervousness, and you should have,
but no, otherwise I had confidence the kids would do
a good job.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Jim.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
When you're when you're when you're thinking about the next
step after you're done coaching, and you've been doing it
so long, what what are you looking forward to the
most and what do you think you're going to miss
the most being away from the game.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
Yeah, and everybody says this, they missed the camaraderie of
the locker room or being around the kids on your team.
And I go way back to the first kind of
legit teams that I coached. They were eighth grade team
in Chicago. They were wonderful kids. And the big the
big deal is give them a chance to be successful.
And I think that's kind of the model that I've

(31:42):
carried with me all these years, is help them become
better basketball players, be a gentleman so they have a
good role model as to how they can be in
their life. And give them a chance and ensure that
they're doing well academically so they have a chance. And
all those things are kind of trite, but the deal is,

(32:02):
those are the things that make you successful. And you know,
I think there's several ways to coach, and you can
scare the heck out of them more. You know, you
get them in a position where they want to go
through a wall for you. And I hope that the
kids I've dealt with over the years would see, oh, well,
for our own sakes, we want to win for the team,

(32:23):
but coach Roz has given us a chance and so
on and that's when you're the head coach, but as
an assistant you have some effect on all that too.
So that's been a good run with a lot of
good kids, and I hope they'll say that that I've helped,
you know, most everybody I've touched base with.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
It's funny you bring that up, because I was going
to ask you about this. So you've been doing this
a long time and you can bring up a recent
example or a late example about maybe somebody and you
don't have to name the player unless you want to.
Who's come up to you and you know, I know
I already know the guys love you and think the
world of you, you know, because you were a loose
right hand man. And actually there's on board probably many

(33:01):
times throughout the years that they came back and you know,
raz I wouldn't be who I am because of you.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
Well, I'll tell you an interesting one. And we all
know Miles Simon and know he was a great player,
and Miles and I were not necessarily close. I mean,
we got the job done. But you remember see several
summers ago there was a zoom call and all the
players got on and they kind of had a little
testimony to coach Olsen, and I think I was the
last person to talk, and I don't want to say

(33:29):
I really some emotion and I got done with the call.
Phone rang. It was Miles Simon saying coach, I love
you now. That kind of it was a different, different
side of Miles. That kind of shocked me a little bit.
You guys know his personality. That's that's one that was
a real, real surprise. But I did appreciate it. So

(33:51):
that's one one example. I think.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, because you expect that call from Miles, right,
maybe from Josh or somebody else or Justin or not Miles. Yeah, yeah,
not Miles, And that's kind of how that's kind of.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
Why you coach.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I think that's right. You know, we
have some kids here at the community College and they
have a chance to be good players, they have a
chance to grow socially so on, and I hope that
they all feel that they've had a great opportunity here
to get better and that they've had fun. You try

(34:25):
to interject a little bit of fun in it too.
I mean, it can get to be a little bit
of drudgery, but we've tried to make it fun. Out here,
and I think we've done a pretty good.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Job of that, so, Jim, and that's one thing that
I wanted to ask you about too, because I you know,
I started my career off as a junior college kid
and then went on to a four year and then
pro Bawl after that. But the PEMA has done a
great job of bringing guys back with you there coach hockey,
Coach ditt, you guys have this wealth of knowledge for
these JC players. What do you are you able to
kind of help craft that model for them and what's

(34:55):
going to be the next level and help kind of
mold their game to what the next level as they're
still there in trying to be successful. You what's some
of the objectives that you have for those players because
you only have them for two years?

Speaker 5 (35:08):
Yea, we only have two years, so you know we
have to jump in get on them fundamentally and all
the other things right away. Be demanding, be tough, and
I you know, I think we do a pretty good
job of that. So, I mean we coach them and
I think they'd all tell you we're like a Division
I program. We coach them hard and we're giving them

(35:30):
the best chance we can to improve and go on.
And in our time here, any player that has wanted
to go on, and I've been here eleven years with Todd,
he's been there four or five more. But any kid
that's wanted to go on to play, they're sound, they're
ready to go, and we've been able to help a
whole lot of kids. And the other thing that's interesting,
can you guys have probably followed this? A lot of

(35:53):
the guys that leave Arizona did probably still do. They
get to an NBA program and they find that the
Arizona kids are as sound as anybody. They know what
they're doing, they know shell drill, they know all the things.
So if the kids are good enough to have a
chance to go on to the NBA, I think we
do a good job of preparing them for that. But

(36:16):
for a lesser athlete to have a good two year experience,
have a chance to go on if they want to,
I think we've given them all that opportunity. So that's
kind of the goal that we have. So give them
a chance.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
One last question, because we're running over. But this is
fantastic stuff. So you're a competitor, you've been doing it
all your life, tennis or otherwise.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
What are you going to do to compete?

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Yeah, good questions. I don't know. Again, I'm a little
restricted on my breathing things, so it's tough. But you know,
Kim and I are here. We like to get out
in the community and stay busy. We do like to
go to Michigan in the summer, so I hope that
we can continue to do that. But just stay busy,

(37:00):
stand in the community, get the games, support Arizona and
got to be active. Everybody says that. So I'll find
something to do. I've thought of, you know, writing I
think there's some interesting things in my career in life. Yes,
so I thought about getting that on paper. But now
we'll find something. And everybody says, you can get done

(37:22):
working and you do find things to do, so we'll
count on that.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Okay, Well, good luck to you.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
We'll be keeping in touch with you and enjoy the
next five months or whatever month you have left with
this basketball program.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
Yeah, next time we talk, let's not bring up the
tech goaltending call.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Everybody got it play Connecticut again?

Speaker 5 (37:43):
No more over there.

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Speaker 2 (41:49):
Hey, welcome back to my the ball here on Fox
Sports fourteen fifty I'm c Rovera.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
You blake here one one and done tonight. Hey, but
I've been here twice because we play on words. I
was unbelievable gas man. Yeah, it's a rare few people
that I get starstruck. And he's one of those because
because you grow up watching him on the court and
then he stays in Tucson and now he's at Pima.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Only the people that are close to the program, and
there's a lot of those, because everybody's close to the
program at Jove Juve, you know, to the program when
lut was here, UH would know that how important he
was to Loot success.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
And university's success.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
On the court because he was that guy, and he
was that buffer, you know, because I'm sure when you're
the manager and I don't know the level of baseball,
but you need that guy in between, the head guy.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
I told you you're you're you're. Jim was probably the
most important coach because Lute was a manager. He had
to oversee it, had to be part of it. But
Jim had to control the day to day operations. And
that's that's very difficult. You've got to create a sense
of this is the direction we're going. You buy in
or you don't buy in, and then he's got to
reinforce that every single day.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
He's the soldier. He's the guy that keeps or try
to keep and you get your foot in the door.
You gotta, you know, let me, you gotta clean up
some poop. It wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't easy with
especially that two thousand team. Gilbert, Richard Jeane, Yeah, right there,
that's a trifecto. Great dude, But yeah, dude, Gilbert told

(43:23):
some stories about him and Richard. He's like, why am
I going to class?

Speaker 5 (43:26):
Man?

Speaker 4 (43:27):
I was like, yeah, I understood that. That's you know,
these guys are crazy, and it's still the best team
I've ever covered. I think the best team ever. Yeah
that's what you said, Luke Jason, all these guys you know, Lauren, Yeah, okay, yeah, good, thanks,
thanks Roz.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
I just I gotta ask you guys this. I just
did the weirdest thing that I don't think. It doesn't
seem that weird, but I went to blow my nose.
But you know, when when's the last time you blew
your nose out of both your nostrils at the same time.
It's usually just one nostril at the time, right, I
don't know what it's a question.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
That's type of stuff. I don't think about it.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah, yeah, okay, so think about it. When's the last
time you blew your nose? And did you do it
one nostril at a time or did you do both?
You blow both your nostrils at the same time. That's
the weirdest thing.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
I don't know. It felt like the strangest thing of
the world. Debated now now that you have me thinking
about it, I don't remember the last time I did that.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Okay, think about it the next time you blow your nose,
All right, move on.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
You're weird. It's a simple question that I'm asking you
because I felt strange doing it. I don't remember the
last time that I've blown both my nostrils at the
same time. Okay, and I thought it would be a
good topic to have, But obviously I'm an idiot, So
thank you. I'm a cold Steve here. Moving on, Yeah,
moving on to more important stuff. Welcome to the strange

(44:45):
portion of this show. A strange is what keeps you here? Steve? Yes,
see what did you like his answer about you?

Speaker 5 (44:52):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Perfect? Answer? Yeah? Perfect, because because.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I think he satisfied your thoughts and my thoughts, because
it depends who you are.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
So I was gonna ask him this question. We need
to get a chance to But I mean, you've known
him for how long.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
In nineteen ninety maybe so were you?

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Were you closer to him than you were with Lut
You know you were closer with Lut Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yeah, the reason why the star was pretty close to
raz and yeah, I wasn't gonna get to that, and
I was close to Luke. I had to close in
the sense of doing my job because I figured they
wanted me to quote Lut. Yeah, and Luke's not gonna
give me any side of information. He's just not it's
not who he is.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Yeah. I just kind of have to survive doing other things,
you know, talking to people and yeah, yeah, how'd you
grow that?

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Because you have such great relationships with all these guys,
Bobby really yeah, Bobby.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
If you ever want to know something about somebody, yeah, yeah,
go to the girlfriend Yeah, yeah, you go to the wives. Yeah. Honestly, no, no,
I'm talking in secrets here. But do you want to
know something? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Do you want to know what's going on with San
Francisco Giants back in the day, Yeah, that to the
girlfriends or the wives, or girlfriends and wives for the
most part. Do you understand what I'm saying. Yeah, there's
a first base in the third base side for a reason.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Yeah. Uh yeah, No, I mean it's great.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
So you guys have built this relationship over time, you know,
you stepping back and looking in his career, I mean,
it's I talked about this with Coach Dick because he's
a mentor of mine and I've been very fortunate with
that relationship. But seeing them go from the height of
u of a both for baseball and basketball men's basketball
to now being at Pima to address the young men

(46:31):
and young women. There's pretty substantial when you're talking about
a junior college standpoint. Right, So with your relationship in him,
are you closer in the latter part of his career
or are you closer at the start of his career? Yeah, Oh,
we got a call. Yeah, let's get to that in
a second. Okay, we'll get to it in a second.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Hello, you're on the air nine the ball. Who's this?

Speaker 17 (46:50):
Hey, guys, this is.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
What's up.

Speaker 17 (46:54):
I want to time in on the who you are?
Who you are? Okay, and I believe athlete, you kind
of are who you are. If you're a lazy dude
or you misspractice, it's tough to change that. But as
far as I think you guys were talking earlier about Brennan,
to change a program around, you need maybe that one.

(47:15):
You know, Luke did it with Sean Elliott, one guy, Kerr,
two guys, and then obviously he got McMillan and Cook
and those guys, and with Brennan all you needed. You know,
he's got reals coming in. You need maybe get a
linebacker and a lineman for a star and you can
change it around. You know, you get a team back

(47:35):
in there or something so that you can't keep saying, Steve,
you are who you are and I disagree with you
saying that for a while.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
Okay, but you are who you are because you can you.

Speaker 17 (47:47):
Can change the you can change the program around, much
like Luke did.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
No, No, I've said that. I just said that when
he asked, when he posed that question over time. But
you have to continue that movement. It's got to be
a trend trend, trend up and not a not a dip,
because once you dip, you got to kind of rEFInd
it again.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Right, did I say that the portal?

Speaker 17 (48:08):
You think that's true?

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Yeah, because you still have to maintain.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
You can't be sometimes sometimes this sometimes that it's got
to be consistently good.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
No, No, I think you're.

Speaker 17 (48:21):
Gillian ham Road is one year. Do you think that
could dip?

Speaker 4 (48:25):
It's kind of dipping now.

Speaker 17 (48:28):
And and and then to get back on top, it's
going to take another look years.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
You think he may not he may not have that
opportunity to reprove himself because he may not be there.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Very true, very true.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Then and then what then all that all that reputation
of doing this and doing that, Well, that's look at
look at jet Jet came in with nothing did Okay,
we'll never know what could have been. You could talk
all you want, but we never know, right, And he
was that trajectory. He was you are who you are? Well,
he was who he was, came in here for three
and left, Timmy, you probably do.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
The same in Washington and beyond that. I do think
though that you I think optics you can change a
little bit. Vic.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
And and to Steve's point, because when you're talking about Jed,
I thought Brendan did a really good job of trying
to keep what Jed did here that really worked, and
that was a social media aspect that was, you know,
going back to old players, ex players, getting celebrities on campus,
exposing players to that. I thought Jed did a great
job with that, and I think is trying to Brennan's
trying to carry that on in some kind of capacity or.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
And keep the alums here, keep what I mean?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yeah, yeah, Vick, So what's your issue with you are
who you are? I think you can change or try
to change, but it takes a long time, not just
two years.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
Is not your your your your momentum, Yes.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
A long agree with that.

Speaker 17 (49:45):
I just think you you you We can't keep saying, hey,
Arizona seven and four, you've got to shoot for that,
that team at kid to change the program around and
shoot for that.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I don't disagree with you, Vic, because once you' seven
and four, next year eight and four, next year nine
and three or in that area, then you start to
build that what I'm saying, then that's who you become.
But it takes you got to become that first to
say that that's.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Who you are.

Speaker 17 (50:15):
Oh, okay, I can deal with that. I can deal
with that, and I agree it is tough to change
that one person that that is really tough. I mean,
if you get a kid that's lazy, don't go to practice,
there's late to practice. That's hard to change around. And
I think it's actually easier to change a whole program

(50:36):
around with a couple of good kids than it is
to change that one kid. What's the linebacker kid that
went to NLV that you are.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
Who you are?

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Right, just some flow, just to flow, that's the flow.

Speaker 17 (50:49):
There you go, You are who you are.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
But that's that's why I think. That's why I think
I think coaches and you would know this better than me.
You want good dudes on your team. You want to
Lopez's of ones, twos and threes. You want you don't
want a two who's gonna, you know, ruffle the feathers
and be a pain in the ass because he thinks
he's a one. I mean, that's the best. That's the
best philosophy I've ever heard on this because and you know,

(51:13):
there's you, you personally know a lot of two's.

Speaker 17 (51:17):
No, no, no, I I I got it. And and
you know what, no, Like I said with Brannan, knowing
that that s Feita Klan and the oc buck geys,
I think I think he's trime to change this around
in the next couple of years.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Yeah, and then guess what he and then you've established
something different.

Speaker 17 (51:35):
Yeah yeah, I mean you get that pipeline and then
you ride it and stuff.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
So the thing is you have to start somewhere. You
have to start somewhere and sustain that somewhere.

Speaker 17 (51:44):
So why I don't know if you've already made your pick,
but if if we win this Saturday where we're going
to lunch, Steve said he's.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Treating paying for something and I'm not invited to make sense.
If you go, guess who go ahead. One answered, uh no,
I got to think about it. Well, first off, is
gonna happen. First off, we won't start thinking about dinners
until it happens, he said, lunch. But get that, if

(52:13):
it gets to night, we do both. Vic, I'll do it, man,
I'll do it.

Speaker 17 (52:17):
Okay, we're ready to roll. Okay, guys, great show. That
Rob Burrow was great for real.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yeah, he's amazing, Right, thanks a bunch, all right, all right,
thanks Vick.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
Okay, take care, you got to go right, we're over,
Let's go