Hour 1- November 25, Ryan Hansen

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Hey, good press for bad press, it's all, it's all,
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Just here because I don't want to get fined. Hello, guys,
are we doing if I fall asleep? You know what,
You've had a busy week, busy tues. Last night was
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at eleven thirty or eleven fifteen, Walk to your car,
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(01:07):
have bad dreams.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Sure, don't dream, Actually you don't.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
I have weird dreams just with people who you know
are either not alive anymore, just old friends that's seen
in years.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
What about scary dreams, No, not so much. I've been
having scary dreams, like real life scary dreams. And I'm
taking I'm old. You know when you're a kid and
you have those dreams, I'm getting them now.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Man. It sucks because you don't want I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Want to go back to bed right because I don't
want to go back and it's like, holy crap. But
I'll have to figure out. Hey, doctor, give me some
good beds. Sleep for good, not for good. But you
know what I say, Yeah, good sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
That rim stuff. Okay, so Tuesday we have a good show.
I don't know if you guys know how that happened
on a Tuesday in the middle of a good show.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Because this is my last show of this week, I'm
going to hit I'm gonna kick the fifty five yard
field goal to win the game. Or is a issues
guard beat Texas and Sean Miller eight Richard Kreile, there's
your guy losen to the issue?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oops?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Sorry, I got beat? Got beat so we're gonna have
Ryan Hanson talking about last night's game and this number
two team in the country. Talked about rankings. I wrote
about it today. I've been here, done that, seeing that
many times today.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
So if you too, me too, you know, and then
only one time it's ended at number.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
One, and guess what they were nowhere near exactly the
top of the rankings exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
So yeah, this has been a good start obviously, you know,
just looking at the record, looking at they played and
how they've beaten teams, and you really can't complain.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
There's your story.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Ray. Let me tell you something.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
If you want to have an excet interview for for school,
for uh, your graduate, what do rankings mean in college basketball?
Not a damn thing? And you can talk to plenty
of coaches. It'll tell you the same thing. I believe
it because you have and you have proof in I
have evidence right here.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
I brought the t oh Man.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
From the from the press, from the from the media
guy for Arizona.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
Did you know that they've you know, they've passed every
test and that what else?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
You know? What else you say?

Speaker 5 (03:13):
And the semesters almost over, They're gonna get all the
straight a's on their on their finals, no harm, no
foul right so far, though, they've got a couple of
you know, a couple of tough ones coming up.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
And it's interesting we talked about this. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
The way the schedule was laid out was they had
some tough games and some easy games, and some tough
games and some easy we've reached we've reached the easy game.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Easy game section of the schedule here.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
But then they go back but the tough ones with
two in San Diego States and things like that coming.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
It's like the Chuck Woolery. Well back to two and
two and then two, because that's how I think it's going,
two games back, good, bad and then good again.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Blah blah blah. Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
So we'll see so Rhino at three eighteen through seventeen
and then the next hour we're gonna have killed an
ephon uh talking about the issue game and uh not
listed on our media thing to day Jay Dobbins see
what he says about.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Yeah, I mean we go back. I think we can
talk about this. But my first year here was eighty three.
I'm pretty sure he was on that team.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, I think he has come back from Arkansas.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Yeah, but he was there with a ton of ton
of Cliff and that was Ricky was still playing Ricky Huntley.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Have you ever met to I mean, I guess way
back when talk to him. He's a fantastic dude.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
You met him, he was on your show here. Yeah,
he's been a couple of times. He's a fantastic dude.
Those old old school dudes are pretty good. Then we
met the dude from Denver. Mm hm, forgot his Brad Brad.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Okay, no, no, Brad Anderson was the one from Chicago.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Randy Lady, Okay, that went started thinking about the Chicago
that's the guy.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
So they had some pretty good peop. Yeah, Randy, I
think was on him. He must have been on that team.
You know, he's been in town all these years after
his pro career with cast up in cast A Grand
pretty much.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, So we'll have these guys, the three three headed
monsters here in the next two hours plus us three
headed six headed monster talking about last night, which did
you watch?

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Did you stay up for the game?

Speaker 5 (05:02):
First of all, of course, but I'm not sure if
I made it to the very end. I think they
were head by you know, thirty five or something like that.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
What did you tell me when I came in?

Speaker 3 (05:10):
All I had to do was right about the first exactly.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
I mean it's one of those you're just kind of
sitting there like, are they going to score? I mean,
how many they get? Thirteen?

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Zero, thirteen?

Speaker 2 (05:20):
It was. It wasn't around thirteen minutes into the fourteen
change like that.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
So yeah, it took a while, and you know, it's
one of those games you just kind of knew what
was going to happen before it even started, but kind
of just played out as expected.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
To people who do this and play this. The numbers.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
It was a thirty three and a half point game,
and they had the lead at thirty four, and then
she saw back and forth until they one by thirty.
So I think it's the second time they've lost. The
second time.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, in the last couple of games.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Is there even a spread for this next game? The
Norfolk State game? Probably not even spread?

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Well, when you put the ninth, tenth, eleven, twelve guys
out there, it was a good chance cover Yeah, good chance.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, unless you're up by fifty when they get on there.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
But what point do you empty the bench, oh by
fifty and the split is forty nine.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
And I was saying, as we're watching it, you know,
they're going to bring in some of these bench guys
here in the first half if they want to.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
And he could have, yeah, he could have just to
give him a little any didn't any chance. So young,
get some numbers, get some things going. The freshman came
through again. I'll probably do a story in the Freshman
here again. You know, collectively they scored seventy two points.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah, I mean again, digging back into the history and
stuff like that. You know, when have we seen four
really good freshmen? I guess kind of at the same
time coming in and you know, they were talking on
the broadcast. I know you guys were there, but they
were just saying that they don't look like freshmen.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
No, no, you know, basically.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
I turned to Brian Peterson and Sheer and whoever was
in the press room that that last night, and because
Buriz was there and so was Evan, Evan there, and
I said, one doesn't look like a freshman. No, he
looks well, be honest, he just physically looks and speaks
obviously older than what he is, right, but yeah, these freshmen,

(07:06):
I'll tell you when And I don't know if I
can compare these guys to these guys, but if you
remember back in ninety ish, Reggie Geary, Joseph Blair, Joe McClain,
Corey Williams, and Edwrick O'Hannon came in together, that's a
pretty good, pretty good group eventually, and eventually they probably
didn't all play. You know, Edric left because he didn't play,

(07:28):
Reggie played, Corey played, Joe played a little, you know,
and JB. So it's a lot of not to this extent,
but they played, they played, and eventually got him to
the final fours.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
And I mean this group is going to be relied
on quite a bit there. You know, there's obviously there's
you know, Jayden Bradley and Awaka and Mo so there's
I mean, there's a nice little blend of some people
who've got three or four years and then these new
kids are coming in.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
And he talked about that because that was a question
about it. You know, how nice is it to help
the luxury of older guys who are able to help
mentor the younger guys if they need that mentoring, you know,
because they don't always, but they do.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
And they come in, you know, they kind of strutch
and they look pretty pretty confident. Look, they look good,
and you know they're not obviously have not been intimidated
by anything so far, and that's I don't know what
more you can ask for.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
At this stage.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
It's funny because Burr's hit his first three pointer, first
shot of the game.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
He got him to three zero, right, And.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
I'm thinking when he did that, he says, you know
what they've done to this point, They've done five and
oh against pretty good teams.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Without the use of Burr's right.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
You know, So if he gets hot, and I'm not
saying that he will consistently because you know he did
in the first five, that might continue on later, but
this team will even look better.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
Yeah, but you hope that he can, you know, just
kind of weather this storm and just you know, grow
and whatever this clique you want to come up with
to get kind of get straightened out for the conference games.
But he looks he looked good last night, and that's again,
you know, he's They're gonna be growing pains for some
of these guys. It's not every game they're going to
score thirty like co in the first game.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Right, Well, here's your here's your question. Remember who's the
kid that went to Illinois Boswellswell. That's what we have here,
and most of them, like him, hit walls in February,
you know, invariably, just maybe for a game or two
or a little stretch. So expect the group or at
least maybe one or two at some point hit a wall,

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you know, because they don't play this WINNI games.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Yeah, I mean they're gonna look at their schedule and go,
oh gosh, we gotta go. We gotta go to Houston now.
I mean, like I don't know, I'm I'm just taking
a place. But I mean there's gonna be that time
and in February before the tournament where there's gonna probably
be a little bit of a letdown.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
There always is.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
Teams are always struggling at that time of year because
they're you know, just they've been running around the country
and we'll see.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Right, so we'll see. But uh, better to have them
than not have them, right m h Yeah? Do you
watch your game?

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Listen to it.

Speaker 6 (09:45):
I couldn't find it anywhere on TV so CBSBS Sports Network.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Oh, I don't watch.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
I choose different different options to stream the games.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Okay, it should have been there, Yeah, I should have.
I was working. I was working though.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Oh yeah, Okay, who were you most impressed with last night?

Speaker 7 (10:03):
Well?

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Bury's was very because he hadn't done that. He hadn't
done that. A Crevis is still kind of my biggest
question mark. But he's getting better, really, he's yeah seventeen minutes. Yeah,
he's still he still kind of needs to get better.
But other than that, I really don't don't Bury's I
think he had twenty points, twenty two points.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
Whatever, seven for thirteen, three for six and three. Yeah,
missed four free throws, which is kind of.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
There were nine for twenty.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah. They not a great no, And you know.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
One that's one's biggest concern and I mine's the three
point line.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Jaydean Bradley, Oh for three from threes for free throws.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, so it's very strange.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
I mean, you got to take the easy ones, especially
in March, right, you see you see that doing a
lot of teams throughout the tournament, just like now hitting
their free throws.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
So how about Aristode would you think of that?

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Another nice game, not a great game, but a nice game.
He had a couple of threes, right, what do.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
You go for.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Three minutes seventeen points. Yeah, they made four threes, four
for six, and he's another fourth for ras. He's another
one that doesn't look like the freshman bill Oh, I know,
I mean these guys, come on. Yeah, that were the
the broadcasters. I don't know even know who they were,
but they were just saying, you know, those guys, I
mean they look like you know, men at eighteen or
whatever they are at twenty pretty good.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, and Denver was Denver, I look against like I said,
they'll they played the part against the best teams they
should they beat them badly, which they should. And they've
played against the pretty good teams very well. So that's
you know, here we are five and six and oh
whatever they are.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
And they're gonna go into the West Coast Conference. I
guess next year, den River is I'll be up against
the Gonzagas of the world in Santa Clara and people
like that.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
M H.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Saint Mary's.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, and we got four months. It is thell December,
all of January, all of February, so we're like four
months away from the start of the real fun stuff. Yeah,
and that's how you're measured. I mean, we're not saying
anything more different than and now when you're five and
zer one number two in the country.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Good for you. But doc doc dot, yeah, talk to
me later.

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Streaming live on the iHeartRadio AaB. This is I on
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Speaker 3 (17:37):
Hey, welcome back to WY on the Ball here on
Fox Sports Fortune fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, you're Dave Silver.
We got ready to have the controls on the other side.
Now we have Rhino from the broadcast. So the Cats, Rhino,
how you.

Speaker 7 (17:48):
Doing doing good?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
How are you guys? Fine? Thank you. We need a
smart voice.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
I'll be the dumbass and we need Dave to be
the streatment and it really will just kind of control everything.
So you know, you've been around a long time, you
know better, and you know, do you know the reasons
and things like that for whatever? But this team ranked
number two. Now, we've seen a number of very good
teams get ranked high for a lot of reasons. And

(18:17):
in November, what do you make of all this?

Speaker 7 (18:20):
It's a great question and it's loaded Steve, because you
are right. You have Arizona historical context to put this in,
considering how good loot Olsen was in November and December,
the number of tournaments that were won from the preseason
it to the Great Alaska Shootout to the Maui Invitational,
very successful early on in the year, and that was

(18:42):
a credit to Loudelson's ability to prepare his teams as
a teacher. And so does Tommy have a little bit
of some similar character traits? Yes, I believe that's possibly true.
But then I'll think you also have to ask yourself
get into the mindset of a bolster and what they
value on November twenty fifth in regards to how they

(19:04):
rank teams versus even in March, and I think it's
a mixed bag. In November. Steve Right, I think some
posters probably say, who do they project to be the
number one team by the end of the year, Who
is playing the best, who has the best resume? Well,
I have a hard time even suggesting though that Florida.

(19:25):
The top three win that Arizona had on opening night
is Florida. That were they the third best team in
the country at that point, Well, no one knew, Because
no one knew the rosters. So I think we all
can look with a critical eye and say Florida wasn't
the third best team in the country at that stage.
They were just everybody thought they could be the third
best team in the country.

Speaker 14 (19:46):
So I think that's an.

Speaker 7 (19:47):
Overinflated win right now. Do I believe that Florida is
going to be a top ten to top fifteen team come March?
Probably most likely based on what we know, so that
win will get better over time. But boy, it's sure
has bolstered Arizona's you know, resume at this point.

Speaker 14 (20:04):
And Tommy even alluded.

Speaker 7 (20:06):
To the next big win on the docket at Yukon
in stores tough place to win, but they didn't have
their best player, and Arizona dominated in a region and
a part of the game that their best player would
have impacted the game. Would they have won it because
of that? That you got to play the hand your

(20:26):
delt that. I love Tommy's quote, Hey, there's.

Speaker 14 (20:29):
Runners in scoring position.

Speaker 7 (20:31):
If you're defensively on the on the the baseball side
of things, and you get a good hop on a
ground ball, hern too, and don't apologize for it.

Speaker 14 (20:40):
You get out of the inning.

Speaker 7 (20:42):
And that's where Arizona's at right now.

Speaker 14 (20:44):
So do I think they're the.

Speaker 7 (20:45):
Number two ranked team? I mean the best team in
the country.

Speaker 14 (20:49):
Maybe maybe not, but boy, their resume.

Speaker 7 (20:51):
Is pretty hard to argue at this stage.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Maybe talk a little bit about this freshman class.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
Steve and I were just talking about maybe the ninety
three ninety for when Joe McClain and Joseph Blair and
Reggie came in all together and Corey Williams. Is that
maybe the best freshman class group that we've seen here
in these last fortnight Mean.

Speaker 7 (21:10):
Let's go way back, right, you got to get you
maybe the Kitty Corps, And that's pre dating a lot
of your listeners. How about the class ultimately of Sean Elliott,
Anthony Cook, Kenny Lofton. That's a pretty good class, maybe
didn't contribute to the degree in their freshman year that
we're talking about the expectations of this freshman class. I

(21:33):
think the freshman class, which is kind of an interesting twist.
I was talking to the SID last night about this one.
How about Nico Mannion, Josh Green and Zeke Nagy again
didn't have the opportunity come in, say a tournament because
of the COVID shutdown, but contributions and then all three
of those guys. Granted, Nico was there for a cup

(21:54):
of coffee in the NBA, but the other two guys
are still in the league. So contributions as a as
a core group of players. Some of it is based
on the era that we're in in college basketball guys, right,
it's they have an opportunity. This group of four have
an unprecedented opportunity to earn tons of minutes and will

(22:15):
be relied upon. Now, I'll take your question more at
face value, Dave. It's a pretty good group I think
as it projects out over the course of their college
and ultimate basketball career, could all four of these freshmen
find their way in on an NBA roster at some point.

(22:35):
I'm not talking about the twenty twenty six NBA Draft
for some of them, but I think all four of
them have NBA potential, which is pretty rare to have
four guys in the same class have the potential to
play professionally at the highest level.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
You when did you start with with Luke back in
the early two thousands, late nineties, mid nineties, early nineties.

Speaker 7 (22:58):
Yeah, two thousand, Steve. Only than that, bro I was
I was a student manager with lut As Dave Reference.
My first year was ninety three to ninety.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Four with the team.

Speaker 7 (23:07):
But I've been going to games as a twosonan since
long before Luke got here. So I've been been going
to games since I was two years old. So I
do have some pretty good memories dating back to when
I was a real little kid watching Joan ELL's hoop
inside a Michale center back in nineteen seventy eight. So
I go back.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
I was giving you a couple of it because they
expect a nice quarters zip, extra large something, just because
I love it.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
So, but my thing is, you've been around a long time,
You've seen these guys. Now you're on the court talking
about games. You're at the lower level, and these dudes
aren't built like freshmen. They're just not freshmen.

Speaker 7 (23:48):
Yeah, the physical maturity level, the mentality of these guys too.
I mean it's easy to look at Coepete and say, wow,
that guy's not a freshman. But even when you look
at how Dwayne Erris Stowed is built. I look at
Ivan karchenkov.

Speaker 14 (24:04):
I mentioned this on air not that long ago that.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
When I first saw Kartchenkoff. I thought he was heavy legged.
I thought he was maybe not athletic enough below the
waist to really compete at the elite level. I was wrong.
He is strong. He is built like a sekhoya.

Speaker 14 (24:21):
And so he doesn't get uprooted in.

Speaker 7 (24:23):
The post when a bigger guy tries to post him up.
He's got enough athleticism that he can clearly defend on
the perimeter. And arguably, how about one of the hidden
parts of the win at Yukon was Karchenkov's defense on
Alex Caraban, who will leave Yukon as the all time
winningest Husky.

Speaker 14 (24:41):
Think about that one. That's rarefied air.

Speaker 7 (24:45):
And Karschhenkov was a key component to the defensive stop
or at least slow down of Caravan to hold him
to single digits. So you look at their physical traits.
They are beyond their years physically. I think you also
need to look at ment league, how they approach the
game and co opete. His international competition and playing at

(25:06):
the highest level since he's stepped on campus at Gilbert
Perry High School is helping him be ready for this moment. Obviously,
the long story discussion of Karschenkov being born in Russia
but then playing for Munich Byron since he was twelve.
He's been playing with grown men since he hit puberty.
Think about that one, and then you know, you look

(25:29):
at Brayden Burray's I think he has had to play
at a high level for many years. So your point, guys,
of they are game ready, their Division One, elite level
ready at a much earlier point in their art as
a college basketball player is paying dividends for Arizona and
put the Wildcats in a pretty enviable spot because you

(25:52):
look at the teams that are really good right now,
for the most part, are old. Look at Gonzaga's roster.
They might have the oldest roster in the history of
college basketball. I think they field a twenty six year
old and a twenty five year old on their college
basketball team starting five right now. Arizona is relatively young

(26:12):
in that mix. Now. Granted, their four returning guys have
tons of great experience, but for Arizona to be in
that conversation with the older nature of college basketball is
really a testament to the freshmen and their ability to
contribute early in their college careers.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
And really too, when you think about maybe how the
season will go into the tournament and stuff they're gonna need.
They're gonna need those older guys. They're gonna need a
walk at a you know, pick up fifteen rebounds or
you know, Crevis maybe to play more than seventeen minutes.
How much are they gonna need to rely on Jade
and Bradley to lead the way to some successful wins?

Speaker 3 (26:47):
And before you answer that today's point, have you written
this at least twice to me to this point? And
he has a long way to go. Jason Terry nineteen
ninety nine, who.

Speaker 7 (26:56):
For love, I love the comp. I love the comp.
And part of the reason why, and I'll start with
that one, Steve, The comp has many layers to it,
not just the improvement over time, but the character that
it took for a Jaden, Bradley and a JT in
their sophomore seasons to yield to other players and then

(27:16):
the next year to yield again. And here's Jaden starting
point guard at Arizona last year, but he yielded to
Caleb Love many many times, really deferred. And Jason Terry
did that with Mike Bibbie and Miles Simon ahead of him,
and Michael Differson for that matter. And now the moment
has arrived and it's all about winning. It's not about accolades.

(27:37):
A lot of people want to say, oh, Jaden Bradley's
playing with the chip on his shoulder because he didn't
get the preseason nod for All American are all big twelves.
If you know Jaden, he could care less. Talking to
Jaden through the last two and a half years of
his time on campus, that my interactions with him, it's
never been about the accolades.

Speaker 14 (27:57):
It's about winning and I don't think that that is
changed this year.

Speaker 7 (28:01):
And now all of a sudden, he's playing like a
man possessed because he feels that he's been slighted. He's
just finally recognizing now is his time and for the
best for the team to win, he has to take
that on at the right moment. You just look at
the games that he's want that he's really stepped up
in closing time. He didn't go and shoot twenty five

(28:21):
shots in the three games that he put put it
on ice for Arizona. He deferred at moments, he took
over at moments, and then when it was winning time,
get on my back guys. I got this, and that
is similar to how Jason Terierry was as a senior.
Steve and his entire career. I think the comparisons are
not just they play point guard, they're they're leading the

(28:43):
team this year. It goes much deeper than that. And
to take Dave's Tom and Terry, I think you look
at the UCLA game. Who stepped up in that game?
Anthony del Orso will cree this, Jaden Bradley. If those
experienced guys do not do what they do against UCLA,
we lose because Coopete.

Speaker 14 (29:04):
Did not have thirty points, did not have.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
A double double.

Speaker 7 (29:07):
Brayden Burry's got into foul trouble and really needs to
work on that to stay in those big games. Toby
Awaka has hit huge free throws and has grabbed what
is he averaging almost a rebound a minute played. The
guy is unbelievable. I said it on the broadcast last
night after he hit the three. My exact comment was, well,
if you grab fifteen rebounds in fifteen minutes, I guess

(29:31):
you can get.

Speaker 14 (29:31):
The green light to shoot a three. You kind of
earned it. And so Dave, to.

Speaker 7 (29:35):
Your point, a deep run requires a recipe and ingredients
of all different kinds, and one of the ingredients is experience.
One is, you have a guy in Jaden Bradley who
can go get you a game winning shot at the
end of a shot clock or at the end of
the game. But you also need youthful energy.

Speaker 14 (29:57):
And exuberance, and I think that Airs has that.

Speaker 7 (30:01):
One of the things Steve and Dave that we really
will be watching closely is Arizona's going to have to
become a reliable three point shooting team in thinking not
just against you know last.

Speaker 14 (30:14):
Night, you know, you run Denver out of the gym.

Speaker 7 (30:17):
And you make twelve threes, that's fine, But Arizona's going
to have to be able to make threes against good defenses,
an elite level athleticism to make a deep run. They
may not have to have it be their go to.
Arizona is still going to be a great rebounding team,
an elite level rebounding team. They're going to be an
elite level paint offensive and defensive team. You look at

(30:39):
their points and the paint that they put up against teams,
it's staggering. But in thinking about this phrase, guys and
I talked about this with a friend of mine who's
in the industry on the air. His words to me were,
at some point, the math doesn't map, and that is
when you're trading. Arizona's getting twos and you're giving up three. Yep,

(31:01):
the mass doesn't mass over the course of a forty
minute game, night in and night out. So you gotta
be a team that can make seven to eight threes
a game. I think six is not enough. I think
you need to be closer to seven a game. And
so you got to get reliable three point shooting from
those two freshmen that lit the torch last night, from

(31:21):
Anthony Delorso. Jaden Bradley needs to be averaging one and
a half three's a game. He has to be a threat.
So sorry, that's a lot to throw out.

Speaker 14 (31:30):
There, but I think that is for me.

Speaker 7 (31:32):
If Arizona's going to realize the dreams that they want
to with a deep run, that's probably the one thing
that still is not there yet that I can can
put my hat on and say, Okay, they've arrived and
that's still a work in progress.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah, no question.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
In fact, I asked Tommy that question when the season started.
He kind of got offended. By my question because I
still think that's a mystery, a long term and I
know Bruce asked him about you know, they're one of
the least shooting three point teams in the country one,
so that still needs to be solved.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Free throws.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
They went nine for twenty last night, which is I
don't know it's a concern worried.

Speaker 14 (32:07):
About that small sample size. You look at the big games,
the free throws.

Speaker 7 (32:11):
Have won them the games.

Speaker 14 (32:12):
Actually, so I'm not worried about free throw shooting.

Speaker 7 (32:14):
But Steve, I think your question is justified in a
press conference. But you know what Tommy's going to say today,
He's not going to point to any long term concern,
and I will agree with him on that. I don't
think it's a long term concern yet. But let's not
act like Arizona is a prolific three point shooting team
and we just haven't shown it yet. We need to

(32:35):
see that in time. And there's a game coming up,
guys that I've circled on my calendar that exemplifies what
I'm talking about, and that's Alabama. When Arizona plays Alabama,
you're going up against a team that is all about
threes or dunks. That's NATO's in a nutshell. He hates
a fifteen foot jump shot. He needs to be a
three or a dunk. So if Alabama is hitting fourteen

(32:58):
fifteen sixteen, Arizona can score fifty points in the paint
and feel great about themselves, they will lose that game.
The mass doesn't mask. Yeah, so you've got to find
other ways to score, and Arizona's figured that out. By
getting to the free throw line. They can turn you over, right.
There's ways to get more possessions with offensive rebounding, which

(33:20):
they've shown to be incredibly powerful at doing. So there's
other ways to get there. But that's just something I
think it's a justified question, Steve, for those of us,
you know, looking at it objectively on the outside.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
The other factor, too, is that you know, this is
again a small sample size for the Wildcats. They played
six games, but the scouts are going to be looking
at these freshmen. There's going to be some defensive adjustments
that other teams are going to have to make out
assume against, you know, the coas and some of the
freshmen who are getting this big time basketball for the
first time.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
Yeah, and there will be there's there's Frosen cons to that, Dave.
As you think about you know, co is going to
have to make an adjustment because the double team is
going to start coming. Teams are not just going to
let him bullyball you to the rim, which he will
win night in and night out against almost anybody in
the country.

Speaker 14 (34:09):
He's proven that.

Speaker 7 (34:10):
So teams are going to scheme against that. They're going
to force the ball out of his hands. They're not
going to let him put it on the deck and
just back you down.

Speaker 14 (34:19):
So we saw it even last night.

Speaker 7 (34:21):
Denver clogged up the paint. They really sagged in almost
forcing some outside shots. That is where Arizona if a
Dwayne Aristode, if a car schenk Off and Adel Orso
can be reliable, threes are going to become more open shots.
They've been contested right now because teams didn't realize how
good Cole was, didn't think Tobey Ilwaka has an offensive

(34:44):
package under the basket, which he's developed into a really
consistent rim scorer for Arizona, where last year he wasn't
there yet. I think he's arrived as far as a
threat is concerned. You know, at the rim, so those
threes will become open shots, but Arizona has to be
able to pass out of the double team. They have

(35:05):
to make the extra pass. So to your point, Dave,
there's going to have to be some execution as the
games go by. They're going to see Norfolk State's going
to throw out a two three zone. Arizona has not
been zoned a lot this year. Arizona has to learn
how to play against his zone offensively with this group
and these different rotations. So it's a long season. It's

(35:27):
going to be fun to watch. But there will be
wrinkles that Arizona will have to overcome and that will
be fun to see how they respond.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
So, because you're not a young man anymore, you point
it out, I'm an old man. River you with a
quick question of a quick quiz. Which team that you've
been around and I've been around in our time was
at the top one or two the longest of all
the teams that you've covered or seen been part of.

Speaker 7 (35:54):
Who is in that top ranking the longest? Well, I
think the two thousand and three team had a pretty
long run at number one or number two. The two
thy fourteen team had a long run before Brandon Ashley
broke his foot. They had a pretty long run.

Speaker 14 (36:11):
I mean the eighty eight team.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
Got to one or two writing store. If I remember,
it was right before Christmas at Washington State. They woke
up as the number one team in the country. And
if I remember right, the newspaper article said, the Arizona
Sun Devils are the number one team in the country.

Speaker 14 (36:27):
That was still a thing.

Speaker 7 (36:29):
Remember back in the past ten days, that would be
my guess.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Well what you pick one, pick a pick a favorite,
pick a favorite kid.

Speaker 7 (36:36):
Oh, two thousand and three, thirteen fourteen, we got it
in the mix.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
And you remember where that happened? Where that ended?

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Right?

Speaker 7 (36:45):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I do?

Speaker 7 (36:46):
At cal I was on the call and uh.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
No, no, no, no, when the season ended.

Speaker 7 (36:52):
Oh where the season ended? I was on that. I
was at that game too.

Speaker 14 (36:55):
Yeah, Anahea, I was fourteen Wisconsin.

Speaker 7 (36:57):
Here we go. Jeez. You know, my niece still has
nightmares of Frank Kaminski. She still cannot stand that guy.
And she's a college sophomore.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
In fact, fourteen fifteen, how long to the first that
first team, because they, like you said, they did it
right around New Year's right, and they go set.

Speaker 14 (37:19):
Right around New Year's and they were.

Speaker 7 (37:21):
They were in the top one, two three spot for
a good, good stretch.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
But I don't, I can't.

Speaker 7 (37:26):
I mean they lost that in New Mexico shortly thereafter.
Let me pit, I mean.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
The wait, hold on you.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I knew this was a bad question because I screwed
this question up. Did you say? Did you say? Because
it was in my book and that wol eight nine,
ten weeks, but it wasn't. It was it ended in Anaheim?
Because I remember this very well. I don't know if
why thirteen, but it was Anaheim. Jason Gardner missus the
corner shot against Kansas.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
Yeah, two thousand and three.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Thirteen thirteen weeks number one.

Speaker 14 (37:54):
There there you go.

Speaker 7 (37:56):
Thanks, thanks for validating that.

Speaker 14 (37:57):
I still have a memory only but.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
You had all the teams.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
It was just kind of I just remember now as
a loot time for like thirteen street weeks or not straight,
but thirteen weeks at number one, and we knew that
they would beat or Damon in the sweet sixteen and
then lose to sixteen. Yeah yeah, I mean.

Speaker 7 (38:14):
Yeah, so we had blown out at fog Allen to
two months.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Prior, and you know what, and that's my biggest.

Speaker 7 (38:20):
It was yesterday.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
And that's my biggest spirit because you know this, and
Dave knows this. You get a team in December, January, whatever,
guess what, you get another chance that they get another
chance at you.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
They're going to be ready. And it happens all the time.

Speaker 14 (38:31):
Yeah, it happens all the time.

Speaker 7 (38:33):
And you look at you look at teams Arizona has
beat or lost to in the tournament, and there's a
number of it might be from one year to the next.
And again different area of college basketball where you had
eighty percent you know of the team was back the
following year. And here's a here's.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
One you may not remember Utah.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
Arizona beat Utah. You did Arizona beat Utah in December
of nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 14 (38:58):
Yeah, what was it ninety six?

Speaker 7 (38:59):
It was the nineties ninety seven team, and then the
next year lost.

Speaker 14 (39:03):
Keith van Horn was on both teams, I mean, and you.

Speaker 7 (39:05):
Know Anthony Miller, Andre Miller was on both teams.

Speaker 14 (39:08):
So there's there's a few.

Speaker 7 (39:10):
Of those weird oddities that you're right. So here's Arizona, Yukon,
Arizona Florida. Are these teams that you know you beat
Yukon when they were down a man. And now if
they're at full strength and you catch them in the
West Regional final to go to the final four. I mean,
I'm not crystal balling this. I'd love to.

Speaker 14 (39:29):
Be in the Elite eight with a chance to go to.

Speaker 7 (39:31):
The final four. And hey, whoever you play is going
to be an incredibly good team. But boy, the karma
of that coming to fruition, I just don't love it.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah, no, no, no, as usual. Thank you very much, man,
you're the best.

Speaker 13 (39:44):
Love it.

Speaker 7 (39:45):
Thanks for Colin brothers. I have a good one and
happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
So well you guys. You that was fun.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
I was like talking about past and the current.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
No, he's he's He's been around, you know obviously.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah, this is a break because Ray's going to beat
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Breaking down all the xys and ohs. This is I
on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Blox Sports fourteen
fifty eight.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Hey, welcome back to wen on the ball here on
Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, your Dave Silver,
your Ray and we got about eight minutes or so. Yeah, okay,
maybe we take a call, help us with some calls,
some information, whatever you guys want to talk about. Is
this team the second best team in the country right now?
Would we get a caller too? The No.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
It was interesting how how Ryan Hansen was talking about that,
How you know the teams you were that were beating
Arizona's beating how good really are they?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
How good is Florida?

Speaker 5 (44:22):
And I played Florida the first game of the season,
and you know it's Florida going to be a number
top ten team late in the year. It's obviously that's
just the way that the schedule plays out or everybody
circles games. It looks tough, looked tough, and they wind up,
you know, maybe not going the way they expected. And
Arizona's done with her they you know, had to do
to get to this ranking, and I don't know.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Yeah, that's one of those things about Florida is that
they balihood their front court, big bruiser, big guys. Arizona
made them look bad. Yeah, so I don't know if
that was legit in terms of them saying that about them,
because Arizona destroyed that front court.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
Yeah, well, it's pretty obvious that Arizona's got some strength
and some big guys in the front that are able
to rebound and put back shots and block shots. I mean,
it's it's kind of a different u of a team
that we're not really used to seeing. But inside they're
pretty tough. I don't know who else is gonna be
able to match up with them. And again, also, as
Ryan was saying too, if other teams are gonna start,

(45:19):
you know, knocking down some threes, then Arizona's gonna have
to try to match that in.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Some way as well, and not just drop it in
for two. Sure, over and over again. No, I've said
this all along.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
You're gonna have to be at least, like he says,
seven or eight from the three point line, which means
they're gonna have to take about twenty four shots.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah, well, they made how many last night? Twelve they shot.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
They didn't shoot very many, right, they didn't shoot very many,
So it's gonna have to be double that. If that's
the case. I'm shooting, they have some makers potentially, but
not enough good ones and we haven't really seen a
shooter forever here at Arizona. Aristota had that one, big, nice,
big game. Kersa. You don't want that. You don't want

(45:58):
that guy, so we'll see yea. I mean there's a
long way. I had a long road. So you know,
my thing is just caution caution.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
I think right now, just because of the resume, I think,
I mean, who has a better resume right now?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (46:13):
And nobody, So I think it.

Speaker 6 (46:16):
You know, it's okay to it's one of those things
where it's like, okay to enjoy the moment, but it's like,
you know, this isn't the final test.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Well here's my here's my problem with the whole thing.
I don't vote anymore. I used to be an AP voter,
but I think maybe the voters at the beginning of
the year, not knowing what Arizona had, were the ones
that screwed up to begin with. You know what I'm saying.
They could have been in the top ten because they
were thirteenth, and that's fair. I mean, it's fair, but
it's not to see that them and we've seen it

(46:43):
a thousand times it was either unranked or ranked low
two weeks in during the top five.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
And again the freshman I think was kind of the
story that nobody really expected. We didn't know the Kopete
was gonna come out and score thirty points his first
game and kind of, you know, been very consistent through
this first you know, month of the season. So, I mean,
you can't really blame the voters because nobody really knew.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Nobody was there.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Oh they didn't, although some of them didn't know because
of the good means of the world and the North
you know what I'm saying. Because this one, Dave, if
you go get milk the same way every day for
the last thirty years, my prediction is you're gonna go
get milk the next the same way every day. These
guys know the situation. Yeah, they know Arizona basketball. They
know Tommy Lloyd because they're always talking to them, right,
you know what I'm saying. So there's that there is.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
There had to be some faith Tommy, yeah, because you
know what he's capable of.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
I mean, I think even the brand too, I mean,
comparing it to college football, you know, Alabama is always
going to be in that like top ten preseason ranking, right,
you know what I mean, whether it's right or wrong, exactly.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
They're gonna they're gonna shade that way.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
And I mean you look at I mean even Duke.

Speaker 6 (47:45):
I mean maybe a bad example, but I mean you
look at Duke, right, and it's like they had their
whole like they had a bunch of their guys leave,
you know what I mean, and there's still there was
still I think three for your.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
For your the reason you talk about retation.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Too, I'm sorry, but yeah, this is I don't know, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
It really is the same in both those sports, and
both basketball and football, the teams are. You know that
that reputation carries so much in the preseason, and that's
all you talk about for six months and you just
kind of lay out your poll and then let's see
how the games go.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Well, so and that's why it really doesn't matter right now.
But you know what it's going to settle. It's going
to settle four or five games into the and I
don't know the schedule into the Big twelve. Because when
you're going to Houston, you're going to Iowa State, you're
going to Texas Tech. These types of teams you'll start
to see, Okay, maybe maybe this, maybe that.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
Yeah, it bothers me a little bit too when they
start making predictions too soon, you know, as a tournament approaches,
like in February, Oh, they're going to be in you know,
two seed or one seed if they do this and
do that kind of judge exactly.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
You have it up because you checked the ESPN brectatology
because that came out just recently again too, and I
think there were three or four out West and you
come what was still at number one out West as
a one day but I'm sure it's changed. It may
not have changed because if you're gonna temper a lot
of things. Yukon didn't have their guy right, a guy.

(49:06):
Florida wasn't as good as we thought they might be.
You know, there's a lot of little.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
The Yukon thing was still pretty darn impressive going there,
no road, no matter who wasn't playing, no question, you
know they it was.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
It was a great win. I don't know how to
put it.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Yeah, no, no, you're right. You know I remember back
in two thousand when they went to play them and
the goaltending call Loot was not there. Uh, and that
was year they went to the final four in that
championship game. That's how good they were. But let me
give you some names. Gilbert Richard Luke, Lawn Woods, Yeah,
Michael Wright, these guys we were there.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Yeah, so you know, and so here's this team going
into the same environment was a two dollars beer night
or whatever it was.

Speaker 7 (49:45):
It was.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
MS, which Arizona could probably maybe duplicated if they want trying.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, what do you have?

Speaker 4 (49:52):
Arizona is the number one in the West right now?

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Okay, who's to.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Gonzagara?

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Okay, good, They're playing in San Diego probably.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
West Arizona in San Diego and Gonzaga in Portland Port.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, that's kind of perfect, and that makes sense. That
makes sense to the to the Santos I think region.
I think yes, So you have any phone numbers, I
can call it s just in case.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, probably work something out. You just had your reunion.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
So, my friends, that's a good place. That arena is
kind of nice. It's been there for a while though
now the Sharks Arizona played there when they lost to
uh oh, okay, I've been there a few times.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
That's the Trier game with marketing and didn't touch the ball.
Oh okay, final minutes or games.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
And it's a good basketball area. I mean San Jose
not so much, but you know that whole Stanford, Cal,
Saint Mary's us F. I mean, there's rich history in
college basketball. So they'll draw well and the Wildcats if
they if that's where they wind up. Her Syndic still
coaches Settler now because no, maybe I thought it. I
don't know, No, no, because he would have been Is

(51:07):
he still a Santa Clara? Remember Davies, Dick Davy doesn't
need a coach for a long time.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Yeah, he's the one to be there as all back
in the back in the day, Steve Nash game, Steve
the floppy haired kids. Yeah, that'd be good. They had
a lot of your hair. It just was just blonde.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
You know, here we are in it's not even not
even December.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
Here we are looking at the brackets worrying, Oh my god,
I gotta get the number one in the West.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Talk about premature. That's about it. But you know that's
what we do, right, Yeah, that's what people do.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
They do they and they look. I mean I've already
looked at the regional sites. I think at least I
know the possibilities.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
So well number in San Diego and would.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
Be great zillion fans in both those places. I have
a couple of friends road road. I'll drive you by
on drive. That's a two day drive? Which one from
here in San Jose? Oh no, no, yeah, no, no,
it's a.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Two days drive.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
It's not if you if you focus on it, but
if you take a break down.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
How many sixteen sixteen?

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Oh no, dude, I went with Brian Peterson to uh
Sacramento in one shot.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Baby. I didn't drive, he did, so I slept.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Yeah, he talked about that.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yeah, you could do that too, I mean you could.
It'd be like a sixteen hour drive probably, right, Yeah,
just like that, it's like a.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Whole day of driving.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
You're still young, true for yourself.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Yeah, that's still spry.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
It was called use your Southwest points.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Yeah that's true. That's true. Okay, we gotta go come
back with bricking news.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Okay,