Monday, May 19, Hour 1

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is I on the Ball with Steve Ravera on
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Thank good, enough to do and everybody, welcome to I
on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm
Steve Rivera and with me today on a Monday, Troy
Hutchesson of Go easycats dot Com. And we got our
guy Ray here probably for a lot of the summer.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Ray.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, cool, cool, A lot of things happened over the weekend, right,
smootball graduation, kids are gone, Ray, how men more years
agot twelve. You're gonna take it easy. Na, you already
have been in the real world. You don't need to
go back in the real world.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
I do. You know.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
It's fun, it's fun being in college, but you don't
make a lot of money there.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
So well you don't. I remember those days. Troy. You're
still in college too.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
You're looking you gotta be like rat bye boy ro
Troy here, he's on the twenty year plan.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Okay, yeah no, but you don't make a lot of
money out, so it's a problem. That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I don't have you graduates. It's gonna be a tough
haul out there. Yeah, no one said it was going
to be easy. Guys, were you surprised this weekend in
terms of softball?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I can't need to hear nor of there from me
because I don't know enough about it. But I watched
them play yesterday. Obviously they played well the first game
with the strong pitching of of tell.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Me her name was it?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, and then they didn't go with her in the
second game, which, of course I think you go with
your best person, right, and she got rocked nets I
got hurt early and.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Left her in too long.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah. Well, I think that's the biggest thing with people talking,
you know, or criticizing. Everybody has an answer, right, like
it's Scott, It's every sport there, because everybody knows that
they kept her in too long. The pitching, YadA YadA.
That was the downfall. They lost what thirteen games total?
Fourteen games? Yeah, but in a really crappy conference. Okay, well,
I can only play. I can only play what I

(02:01):
put in front of me.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
I get it. But compared to what they're using.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, then they well, then they weren't there. Then they
weren't ready to play in the tournament because the SEC
is what it was, right, Uh, and they like basketball,
right you? You you beg that they have this conference
because it gets you ready for the tournament. And people
said it got Arizona ready for the tournament such.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
That it is. They finished in the sweet sixteen again.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
And here now softball, if they were in a bad conference,
maybe minus a player a team or two, they weren't
going to get any further than this.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Oklahoma and Texas were in that bad conference for a
long time and nominated. Yeah. Now, I'll say this Oklahoma State,
it's not what it used to be as usually they're
that other team there. Yeah, but I'm gonna be honest
after watching the third, the well, the seventh game, the
final game last night, in covering softball for a while,
it's one of the worst coach games I've ever seen.

(02:51):
The final game. The final game was what was best
base running blunders. I don't know why that early in
the first Okay, still the same. I don't know what
the heck you're doing there down by four, Yeah, with
your power coming up to the plate. Just sloppy defense
in the infield. They had that ball get behind. I
think stratterard before she went to the mount into the circle,

(03:14):
which led to a couple of runs in that ending
as well, a little late polling out Devin nets and
then you bring Aisa, she gets blown up to finally
you bring in stratter and easy working for her. I
just felt like it was a game where Caitlyn got
completely out coached. And I can't remember a game that

(03:35):
poorly coach from Arizona. Have they lose Friday night? Was it? Friday?
Kind of got blown out from the starting, Yeah, but
the ole Miss kind of jumped out. That's what I'm saying.
They were playing catch.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Up, yeah, or maybe they just weren't good enough. And
sometimes sometimes teams, and I say this every now and again,
and people look at me, sometimes you get beat by
or better team and no matter how how good you
looked or think you looked during the season, you're not
as good as you think you are.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
I don't think Ole Miss was the better team, though
I know they're moving on. I know they're moving on. Okay,
their resume would prove that wise, but go ahead, I don't.
I don't think they were the better team. I think
the overarching theme of this is and we've been talking
about this for a long time. Arizona still doesn't have pitching.
Oh yeah, and they haven't had it forever. You can

(04:20):
talk about they haven't had it forever. They haven't really
had it since I say, ken zy Valor. But you
could argue Taylor McQuillan, who was in All Conference performer
back twelve. Elysidenum was there too. But they haven't had
decent pitching. I mean, their pitching seems to except for
this year. Devin had a very good year, but the
last two years you can argue that with some of

(04:41):
the worst pitching errors on stop all history the last right, right.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
And also recruiting well also, yeah, well your computer, you're
recruiting as good as you can because the good old
days are garden?

Speaker 6 (04:52):
Are they?

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Though? The Google days are guard Yeah, I'm not. I'm
not saying the nineties the nineties are winning six titles
and and years long, right, but you're not even close
to being a team that should be in Oklahoma City
and no offense that can't low. But that first year
they backed door their way into to make it.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Sure, Well, no apologies, they shouldn't give you an apology.
But I don't disagree with you they And that's fine.
I mean it is on my resume. If I were them,
we got there. Don't bitch about how you got there.
Uh and you were there, right, I was okay, So
they got there, they got you there, but they were
not that good compared to and yes, back in just
it was like the uh, the the Mike Dunlap, the

(05:31):
penalty year with those guys that got to the Street sixteen. Yeah,
for sure, and it was it was the circum the
doors opened for whatever reason. Yeah, and they got to
the Sweet sixteen, got their ass handed to him. But they
got there, and everybody talks it was a down here,
sure it was, but Sweet sixteen pretty damn good. Same
place Arizona got this year and last year or last year.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
But when is the recruiting had taken up.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
It looks those days, those days of Arizona being their
parents may know, but not anymore.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
But I think you limit yourself when you're basically just
still recruiting the state of California. You're not going into Texas,
you're not going into the South. You're staying in California
to stay in Arizona. You haven't expanded your recruiting pool,
your stadium is one of the best in the country
outside of maybe Oklahoma. You have tradition, you have the facilities,
you have the weather, okay, and I all, okay, you
can make up for it in another way.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Have you have you posed this question to the powers
that be, the coaches, the assistant coaches, the AD or
not maybe not so much the AD now but in
the past, because it is what you're saying true. Is
what you're saying true, and even off the record, you
don't have to tell me about the record stuff. But
what's the problem then if they can't get that done?

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Well, I think it's coaching.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Do you think if they had a different company they
get they're not go If they do, it'd be so
shocking to me.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
I don't think if they will, because she's.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Done really well, I don't think she has Holy crap,
who are you?

Speaker 4 (06:59):
I don't think she has in what sense. I think
the program is not where it was when Andrea left.
First of all, they had a Jazon infield, they got
to the Women's College World Series. They had pitching on
that staff, so he was recruiting at a higher level.
His final days were not as great as people think.
I mean, he went to back back Women's College World

(07:21):
Series and teams that did back into that respect, they didn't. Yeah, no,
they didn't back into that. They hosted the super Regionals
his second last, Mississippi miss and then they they kind
of fumbled around the season his last year, but then
they got the draw of Arkansas. They got to the
Women's College World Series. But they were a very talented team.

(07:43):
They were top five, I think top ten team to
start that year, and then people graduated. She got talent
in Charlie's Pelacio is transferred out. They've had other transfers
to How much does she make, you know, Kalin Low?
I think it's very low.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Okay, so okay, there's okay, So let's assume second she
no longer here. Who are they going to get that's
going to be paid low?

Speaker 4 (08:04):
I think they were able to pay pay low because
it was an assistant coach off the staff. I don't
think you had to spend big bucks. I think you
could spend a little bit more to that degree. According
to Google two and twenty five thousand. Okay, yeah, that's
very well, that's for the position. I can't remember what
was Candrea's final count, Probably around five hundred thousands around there.

(08:25):
But I mean the top paid coaches. Oklahoma coach, I
can Yeah, she's making one point whatever her players are
making that. Yeah, but I'm not saying you need to
do that. But there are coaches out there. Oh no,
I think I think you could take a shot at
the Clemson coach who was with Hendrea for Team USA
and did a good job at Stanford when he was there. Yeah, Ritman,

(08:48):
we went to college together. I think you could take
a shot at him. I think he's at the Arkansas coach,
who I think has done a very good job there. Female.
I think there's probably some assistants out there cross the country.
I just I think Caitlin is a very good person,
very good, uh like inspirational type of I think there's
that piece missing.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
How is she in terms of getting on the girls,
like not motivating them, but getting on them, like let's go.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
It's It's not the same as what it was coach, Oh.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
No, no, of course not. They played differently. They played different
for him, like they played different for lut than they
did for Sean, And you know, Sean kind of scared
them into painting hard.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
And I'm not trying to compare it to everybody's thinking
that that's not what I'm trying to do. But are
you trying to do? I think the standards are higher
than what the what I think the standards are higher
for hers on a softball and the expectations haven't been met.
And I'm not saying you need to be number one
in the country year in a year. Are they realistic expectations?
I think they are. With everybody else getting better, I

(09:48):
think they are. Andrea his last contract. Look, I told
you here there's no drug testing in this place. What
was it? Yeah? I still that wasn't that much. Well
back in the day, when did he sign that? Yeah?
In comparison, but no, I mean, you have the facilities,
you have the weather.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I won't argue any more than I've already argued with
you because I don't know enough. But I know that
how good they were back in the day because I
was part of the covering the team and following him
a lot. Now not so much. It's hard to sustain that. Obviously.
You know, UCLA isn't the UCLA back in the day.
Duke isn't the same either, Uh.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
And it hurts him that you don't have the pac twelve.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So so what are you saying the
record of forty whatever it was in thirteen, whatever it was,
is you should have an asterix there.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
I'm saying you hosted a region First of all, that
was the first time she's ever hosted a regional. Okay,
it should be bare minimum. She's already missed a tournament.
You've had a hard time getting out of the regionals.
And this is Arizona soapotball, who's probably the second third
best program in the history of the game. And yeah,
people are saying, oh, well, it's not the ninety Well no,

(11:00):
it's not the nineties, but you can still put on
a good product out there on the field. What they
didn't put out a good product. I don't think it's
an extremely talented roster. I think it's a no, no, no,
that wasn't my question. The product winning all those games. Okay,
it's the regular season. What do you do in the postseason?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Oh no, let me tell you. I'm the guy that
it says matter it matters in March. Guess what in
softball it matters in May?

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Exactly. I get it. But again, you're measured by that,
and that's just how it Arizona is and I just discussions.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Where did you go to lunch today? We should have
you go there more often. Uh, okay, we'll talk more
about this later. How much time we have we okay
not three minutes?

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (11:40):
No, well okay, I uh, I don't feel as strongly
as you. I do understand your point. So maybe we'll
talk more about it after after we talked to our
guy today.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
What's his name, Gusky Crowd Crowley, he's the GM. Yeah,
we'll talk about what that all tails.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
You were kind of giving me a background of all
these people they have in the room and maybe five
of the same guys doing the same thing. Because he's
the he's not he's the GM, but not the right
hand man to to Brennan.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
We got a call.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Let's go take this call real quick. Hello, you're on
the air nine on the ball. Who's this?

Speaker 6 (12:21):
This is guy Crowley and the GM at University of
Very Well.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Oh, we're just a perfect timing coach. Hi, guys, guys,
sorry about if we mispronounce your name there that that
is on us.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yes, uh, let me let me let me say this coach. Uh,
We're just gonna go to break to get you in
at because we were just thinking we go. We scheduled
for three seventeen. Could you give us a quick call
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Speaker 2 (18:04):
Hey, welcome back to I and the Ball Here on
Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. In with me
today is Troy Hutchinson of goezycats dot com. Now on
the phone, we have Geiska Crowley the general matter of
you a football How are you doing.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
I'm doing great, guys, Thanks for having me. I really
appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yes, no, thank you, thank you. You know, back in
the day and I'm old and I've been here a
long time covered football undertow me and the rest of
my time was with coach coach Olsen Sean and stuff.
So GM it's new to me, right, it's new to
people like me who have never seen this. But you've
been on board for a couple of years. Could you
explain to the listeners what you do and what that

(18:41):
title means?

Speaker 6 (18:43):
Of course, of course, the landscape of college football has
has really changed, obviously, you know, not just football, all
the sports, but football especially, and a lot you know,
has to do with just the size of the team,
right where traditionally you might have a couple of guys
in recruiting, you know, maybe a director or player person
or a director of recruiting title, but really you know,
post COVID with the eligibility extensions, a transfer portal and

(19:07):
then now kind of with nil and potential revenue share
coming up later on this year. Having a person or
people in these roles and their job solely focused on,
you know, roster building, roster retention is something that is
kind of you know, it's popped up in a lot
of different schools. Obviously you're in the U of A
so you know, having someone like myself is really just
dedicated to that and trying to be a resource for

(19:29):
our coach and support our coaches any way we can
let them focused on, you know, focus on the field
and obviously recruiting and then some of the back office stuff. Uh.
You know, I kind of work more day to day
with coach Burnt.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
You know when you look at the landscape of college
football you mentioned it with nil and all that just
your day to day's stuff, how much of it is
nil and also looking for opportunities, uh, for current players
on the roster that are seeking those NIL deals.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
Yeah, that's a good that's a good question. So I
think to start off what my day looks like. There's
always kinds of different pillars that we talk about, right,
There's always the prospect identification, which kind of falls more
into the scouting world, you know, whether that's the high
school prospects, junior college prospects, or are obviously transfer portal.
And then you have the recruiting itself, right, that's the
on campus aspect. That's the relationship building and the culture

(20:23):
building and kind of selling what we have here at
the U of A. Right, So that's kind of the
recruiting aspect. And then and then there's also the player retention, right,
and that's making sure you know, our coaches and creating
an opportunity for our players that when other teams come calling,
which which is the nature of football nowadays, that we
have the structures and systems in place to support them,

(20:44):
you know. And that's socially, that's academically, spiritually, obviously athletically.
And then now in the in the name, image and
likeness space, you know, we have a beyond football program
that Tobrio Blaine runs. She's in our director of player development,
works with our guys deal in creating, you know, their
brand and creating what she calls a parallel path. Not

(21:05):
just everyone always talks about life after football, which is important,
but the way that she builds it is she wants
our guys to have football and whatever that next profession
is kind of working side by side. So we've been
really lucky here. We've got an incredible group of supporters
and people who not only give obviously financially, but also
give their time, mentorship, internship programs for our current players.

(21:28):
Is really really important in the in the transfer portal era,
is that the players need to feel like they're being
supported not just from a football perspective, but kind of holistically.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
So in this whole process of getting here, and you've
been here since Brennan got here, Uh, did you intend
to coach in your previous life before here? And did
you want and did you want? Because this is this
is more administrative stuff. And you know when when you
ask a kid what do you want to be? I
want to be a pro baseball player or a pro
football player. Well, when you're a kid, what did you
want to do? And and how what led you along

(21:59):
this path?

Speaker 6 (22:00):
Yeah, I'm a little bit like you guys. I think
are a little bit older, right, And I always tell people,
so I got my degree from Florida State in social
studies education. So I was a high school coach and
a teacher, so was my wife. You know, I thought
that's what I was going to do. I taught and
my coach for for about six years and I taught
football or steming coach football, wrestling, track. Just kind of

(22:21):
had that that that that path really wanted to break
into college football. I loved college football, like that's what
I wanted to work in. For this reason or that reason.
It just kind of didn't work out at the collegiate
level on the coaching side, But really in that process
fell in love with recruiting and fell along with scouting
and player evaluations and team building. And that's what took

(22:42):
me from you know, a high school football coach to
now now here at the U.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Men. You know, when people think of the term GM,
they look at the pro model in terms of a
guy that roster builds and oh, you know, he chooses
his coach. It's completely different obviously at the college. But
you brought up the player development and the scouting side
of it. How important is it to have those things

(23:08):
in place? And how useful is it for the coaching
staff to have a guy like you that is out
there scouting. This world of recruiting that has grown substantially,
and it seems like it's harder and harder to find
guys that are hidden gems that you would find back
in the day. The hidden gum is a harder thing
to find now.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
It is. And I think a lot of that is,
like you said, the volume, right, So like where we're
at right now, from January when we had our mid
year rolies to the summer. I mean we're going to
bring in in the mid fifties new players, right, So
we're for our coaches to be able to be on
the road coaching or beyond the road recruiting. Obviously coaching,
the volume is just so much bigger, where in the

(23:49):
past you may only sign you know, twenty or twenty
five guys. So to have people off the field that
can create systems and processes and structures to allow our
coaches to be at their best coaching. What my job
is is to kind of filter through it all. Right.
If a high school coach from Phoenix reaches out and
they give us our prospect list, you know, me and
my staff are the ones that evaluate them, will grade them.

(24:10):
We have an internal grading system based on our critical
factors at each position, and then we bring them to
the position coaches, and then the position coaches will watch
them and it kind of works up the ladder, and
we really try to act like, you know, like an
NFL scouting department, and we want to provide the background information,
talk to the high school coaches, get that kind of
character info as well, so then we can package that

(24:31):
and give it to the coaches to then ultimately, you know,
make the decision with coach Brennan on you know what
players we want to bring in and bring into the program.
So it looks different, you know, sometimes the years it's
heavy high school, like right now, all our coaches are
out on the road visiting high schools and high school coaches,
and obviously when it comes to portal season, it's a
little more transfer portal, so it changes based on where

(24:53):
you're in the calendar. But the foundation and the systems
and the processes are all the same.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Now to your point, shroy I was thinking about, you
know what timming goes through too, because there are no secrets, right,
I'm sure there's every school in the in the country
as you as, right, don't they have you doing the
same thing somewhere else, and so you don't. Everyone kind
of knows everything. But what when you do you go
overseas as well? And maybe look at people who potentially

(25:18):
have that football potential.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
We definitely do, probably less so than than than coach
with the you know, the basketball program. Obviously that's that's
really mainstream. Sure, but you know we had, uh, you know,
we had you know, we had a German tight end
last year. We've got we signed a kid from New Zealand,
a big defensive tackle. We signed an Australian punter. Uh
had a defensive tackle you know from Obviously, the Polynesian

(25:43):
community in Tongo and American so are huge to the
u of A that Polynesia pipeline. So we absolutely will.
Now it's a little bit different than basketball because in
basketball they're playing the same game right in Europe or
you know, Africa and wherever they're going. So typically what
will happen is guys will come from overseas, maybe played
a junior college or a prep school, and then that's
when we see some of the football foundation to kind

(26:06):
of recruit them for our response. But yeah, you know,
we'll probably have four or five international kids every year
on the roster.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
You know, I know, for a lot of journalists out
there and for a lot of people out there, National
Signing Day has become a heck of a lot more
hectic than it was just three or four years ago.
What is that day and what are those signing periods
like for you and your staff, because not only like
you said, as at high school, it's transfer portal, it's
juco kids. It seems like a whole abundance of things

(26:34):
going on that day that really never used to happen
before to that level.

Speaker 6 (26:39):
Yeah, you really kind of have four signing days now,
it's a little bit different, like you know, traditionally, right,
it was that day in February, you know, that Wednesday
in February, and everyone you know, you flipped onto you know,
your scouting side of choice if you follow high school kids.
Now you've got you know, the December signing period, and
then you're going to have you know, you're going to
have your your you know, your February signing period, and

(27:00):
then you have the spring portal window in April, and
then you know you're still able to add players kind
of throughout the summer. But to answer your question, signing day,
it really is a culmination of a lot of work, right,
you know, eighteen months, twenty four months of work that
is put in getting to know the families, hosting them
on visits, getting to know the parents and the high
school coaches. So so you know, it's definitely a moment

(27:21):
of pride. It's definitely a moment of accomplishment. Uh. And
it's really fun when when coach Brennan's making those calls
and see the excitement in the family. You know, this
is you know, I've done this a while, right, I've
been to a lot of signing day ceremonies, but for
the kids, it's there only one, right, so we really
want to respect that process. And and you do get
humbled by the families and the reactions of their you know,

(27:43):
their kid or their grandson, whomever it is. And it's
something that I always I always enjoyed. It's a little
bit like Christmas morning for me. But then we tell
them like, hey, signing day is just one step. Now
you got to get here the work and then and
then develop into the football players you want to develop into.
We always tell people, hey, you don't want you know,
we don't want to win signing you know, we want
to win Saturdays in the fall.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
That's what we're focusing Christmas.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
When you open the presence, you really don't know what
you got until three four months later or longer, and
sometimes the gift turns out to be not to get
you thought it was right.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
It's a developmental it's a developmental game.

Speaker 8 (28:14):
You know.

Speaker 6 (28:15):
There's definitely guys we think, you know, hopefully will help
us as freshmen or early in their careers. But people
have their own developmental pass and you know, getting whether
that's in the weight room or from an ex as
an o standpoint. But that's a beautiful thing about football.
It's the ultimate team game for that point.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
So let me ask you who found whom? Did the
Brent find you or you searched Arizona and Brent.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
That's a great question. The football world is a very small,
a very small circle. So I was I was at
UNLB for the twenty twenty one twenty two seasons as
the chief of staff and director of player personnel. The
head coach there was Marcus and Royal. Coach roy and
I are really close and he's been a great mentor
to me. And Coach Royal and coach Brennan when he

(28:58):
was at San Jose State obviously friends. So I met
coach b uh through that process kind of on the
field across from each other, you know, and then you know,
didn't know him really really well, to be honest, but
just got obviously through Country Royal and when they were
looking for someone to kind of head up the personnel department,
Coach Royal put in a good name for me, and
you know, obviously very grateful and humbled that he did that,

(29:20):
and Coach Coach called me, kind of went through the
interview process, and then that hopped out a plane and
headed into something.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
What are the challenges because Arizona has obviously been trying
to get more into the state of Texas in terms
of recruiting and having a footprint there, But what are
the challenges of doing that in Texas where you have
all these universities and major universities that are recruiting in
the same area and you guys being in Arizona trying

(29:49):
to re establish a foot footing there in that state,
what are what are the challenges of that?

Speaker 6 (29:55):
Yeah, that Texas is going to be huge for us.
It's something obviously with the move to the Big twelve
that's going to be critical for our success. You know,
we'll always make Arizona, Utah, Southern California home basement, but
Texas is going to be critical. I think I think
the biggest challenge is just the name recognition right in
the brand, Like Arizona has such a strong brand with
with women's softball, women's basketball, and men's basketball, but then

(30:19):
competing against those Texas Big twelve schools, so kind of
getting in there and continuing to sell our brand and
sign players. The other thing is just you know, logistical, right,
Like if you're a kid from Dallas, like you can
go to those schools much easier, right, that's just to
drive down the road. So what we try to give
them is a different option. We try to say, hey,
you're going to play big time college football. You know

(30:40):
you're going to play in the Big twelve, You're going
to play in front of your family a lot in Texas.
But then also why don't you kind of set your
path a little different. You know, come to Tusaana, and
you guys know, as soon as parents and families and
the kids get here that they fall in love with
the town, They fall in love with the collegiate atmosphere
and the support four hour student athletes. So once we

(31:00):
get them here, we feel pretty good. But you know,
obviously we're gonna have to win, continue to do a
great job in that space and prove that we can
develop players. But we're really excited. We feel like we
did a really nice job in Texas in the twenty
twenty five class, and we're super excited for twenty twenty six.
You know with coach Dad's a Texas guy, Coach Ronnie
Palmer's a Texas guy. So we still have those Texas

(31:21):
ties on our on our on our staff, which are
going to be really important for us.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
To your point, Rich Rod used to say, uh, and
we all know this. I've been here a long time,
Troy grew up here probably yeah, Ty where you know,
this is Tucson. People usually fly over Tucson to get
to La or wherever. You know what I'm saying, it's
it's not the destination place. But once they land, like
you said, and they get to see the place, just
get them here and they'll realize how cool this place is.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
Yeah, and it's something different right and and this is
again no disrespect to those are great institutions, but they're
bigger cities right there, the more metroplexus and and we're
Tucson is it's u of AG. I mean, that's what
people love and that's what people care about. And and
it's a great city that you can you can live
here and create a great network professionally, you know, that
parallel path that we talked about earlier. So that's a

(32:10):
big one is getting them, getting them on campus. You know,
we're gonna have a ton of official visits coming up
here the next handful of weeks where we're gonna have
kids from all over where we really get to kind
of show off the city and show off our schools.
So we're excited about that.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
So you said you were in at UNLV and I
read in the background bio you were at Western Michigan,
I believe, before Arizona. What was it like adjusting to
this Tucson weather, the Tucson summers for you.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
Yeah, it's the three years in Vegas health, right, so
we got least with college football, as you guys know,
brings you everywhere. I grew up in Florida, but in
the Midwest and the West Coast. As I've gotten older,
I've realized I'm more a fan of the desert heat.
So it's it's nice not having to shuttle snow and
get to work every day. So I'm I'm a shorts

(32:56):
and foot flops to the office kind of guy. But
I really enjoyed it. It's been but I've got two
little kids, so they've they've really enjoyed the outdoors, the
hiking and the campaign and that kind of stuff. So
we've we've really enjoyed our time here some more.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I'll leave this to be the last question because we've
got to get out. But what's what's a nice day
for you? And is there ever a slow day because
you're probably always looking at film from somebody or out
to seek somebody or whatever, because uh, you know, football
nowadays is almost twenty four seven five, or is it

(33:29):
it is?

Speaker 6 (33:29):
It is certainly in like the recruiting space, right, you know,
with the coaches, there's a lot of the x's and o's,
you know, but for recruiting for us, it's you know,
we'll have a bunch of summer camps coming up in June,
or we'll have prospects on campus and and then you
look into the season, right, how are we going to
you know, go through our cut up processes, which is
how we make cutout taps on each kid and evaluate
so it doesn't really stop. You know, July is a

(33:52):
nice little break in the dead period, you know, before
you get to August. But I love what I do.
I really do. You know, I'm really humble for the
opportunity to, like I said earlier, to be here and
work in college football. It's something that I worked really
hard to get here. But at the same time, like,
if I can come to this building every day and
get to be around the kid and be around the coaches,

(34:13):
it's something that's really special that I definitely don't don't
take for granted. So even the hardest day in my
chair is really is really special.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
You get to do exactly what you wanted to do. Coach,
thanks a bunch for joining us. Appreciate good to know you,
and then the job.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Of course, so I really appreciate it. If you guys
ever need anything, let us know. And Breda you.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Get our tapes and you can evaluate those later. Yes, sir,
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Speaker 1 (38:14):
Breaking down all the ass and ohs. This is I
on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on
Fox Sports fortune fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. Your Troy Hutcheson,
grumpy Troy Okay Ray Sunshine Roy Ray, Sorry, take it
and me your host. I was good to talk to him.
It was good to find out what's going on. Yeah,
every school does it. I'm sure that they go through
tons of video and well and quests.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Hear the name in GM, and you automatically thinks the
Pro style and it's like, no, that it's very different,
very different.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
And Arizona has a couple of those dudes, not GM,
but another guy that helps uh Brennan. I'm sure the
schools do, you know, just right hand and just to
kind of let him do his coaching and the other
people do other things.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Chief of staff recruiting director GM. Right, No, who's the
finance guy?

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Then if like like you said, because it's not like
the Pro style, it's like very different.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
No, I'm sure there's a finance person there, I don't
you think or just that's the at that they probably
have like a finance person in terms of what they
have in terms of nil what they can do. Oh okay,
wouldn't he be the guy or he could probably be
part of it. But I'm sure there's somebody out more
more about the money.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Tell me, tell me why the programs are going under financially.
You got all these people, Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
We'll create a job do word, but it we got it, hey,
transfer and nil. It's changed a lot, no question.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
I mean, it's of course has changed. It's not the
team that I covered twenty five years ago. That's for
damn sure.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Imagine telling Dick Tomy you're gonna need a GM chief
of staff recruiting director. He's gonna say, what the hell for?

Speaker 2 (39:59):
I got the stuff under control. Almost cussed this stuff
on the guy. I don't need no right hand man.
I know what I'm doing. You know I'm joking, of course.
Well but I'm joking, of course because back in the
day they just did what they did. You know, give
me that film and let me see if he's good enough.
Does he like to playing? He's like to win? I
wanted gotta have winners. Does he eat nails for breakfast?

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Yeah yeah, that's like the Georgia Patton of the Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
So if anybody wants to call five to two, O
four one, six, seventy four forty, give us a call.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Let us know what's going on. Maybe you can refute
or agree with.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
My boy Troy here on the softball program, and not
much is going on another bise football, Just finish basketball.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Baseball. They got the number four seed in the Big
twelve tournament. Okay, that's another program. Don't get me started
on Yeah. Yeah, well you've seen that more too, don't you.
Or no, you haven't done not as much as baseball,
I mean softball, but I know it's been successful in
the past. Andy Lopez, Yeah, I'll say this, Andy Lopez
was there for how many years? Oh, tennis, twelve, ten,

(41:05):
twelve years and won a title, got to series, very competitive.
How many college World Series did it get to? You
just won? You don't want it in twelve? I think
maybe another one, maybe another You ask me questions, but
you know, Chip Hall's made I think the tournament every year.
Maybe he missed it once. I don't know. We'll see

(41:25):
what they do.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Well, that's another program that has a long history and
a good history, and other programs have gotten better too.
You know, Troy, you're not gonna walk into a room
and be the best looking man in the room all
the time.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
I could be. Well, let me.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Tell you, let me tell you. Don't be a delusional
you're part of the u ain't fandom. They go ahead,
keep quiet.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
I'm gonna say nothing. Did you have that in town?
I just think it's very different for Arizona softball then
it could be for yeah, let's say baseball. Let's say
so her other and.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, I get it. I get it's because it is
a signature program.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Here and you have everything in place that you need
except for maybe nil again.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
And I okay, nil and pitching history. I mean, over
the last ten fifteen years, it lost that luster. It
just lost it. Tendrea didn't have that either. He lost
it too with the pitching.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
He did, but his pitching was still substantially better than
what they have right now. Well, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
You know, I used to be thin and young too.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Not so bunch anymore. I mean Stanford they were able
to Nigi Kennedy again. I know she got the million
dollar deal from Texas tack she's going back. Well, no,
I'm saying that when she transferred from from Stanford to
Texas tack right, the report was around a million dollars
in terms of the transfer right. But the original recruitment
of her, I mean she was in the middle of

(42:53):
nowhere Kansas. Yeah, you know, Montana, outset Alabama, middle of nowhere, Kentucky.
They were out there recruiting them. They lifted rocks, stuck
up this, you know what I mean. But you're sticking
in southern California. We got the Bathbusters, so see Batbusters.
We're happy with that. Well, if they're not producing anymore
and you're not getting in the top talent, I always
see bat buses, you better start leaguing somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
That sounds like a column call them at a nice
little take here on the radio.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
I get it. I get it. Recruit other places than California.
You have to give yourself more options, and they're not
not as much as what they could. I mean, I
don't think there was a player from the state of
Texas on the roster. You can't tell me there's not
softball talent in Texas.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
No, well, Texas Texas and m were pretty good. Some
of the other ones were pretty good.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
Somewhere in the South. Again, it is the game of
softball is growing somewhere in the South. Now. Ali skagg
she was a top player in the state of Kentucky.
She transferred to the state of Arizona, went to the
u of A. I think she was probably going to
the u of A before she came to Tucson and
played at Iron Royd her rap last year in high school.
But you got to do more of that. It's just
too it's such a big game now to just stick

(44:04):
to one area. No, of course not.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I'm sure that's that's they're probably trying that, just not
having any success.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
I mean, that's a question for her to be asked
and for her to answer, you know, because I still
think that Arizona has a name, but maybe not as
named as everyone thinks.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
That they are. Well, for sure, they're no longer thought
of as an Oklahoma or you.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
See, right, those are the good old days. But what
was last time they wanted title? Oh?

Speaker 4 (44:28):
Seven oh seven?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Okay, so little a little later than the men's basketball program.
Do you feel the same way about Arizona basketball.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
I think Arizona basketball isn't what it used to be
in the nineties, same conversation, But their talent draw is
much higher than what softball has been doing over the
last four years. And I think they're at a better
spot too. I think they're in a better spot to
actually compete for a national title compared to softball, where
you're just trying to get to a Super Right now,

(44:58):
I mean again outside of the her here the one.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
So so, had they gone to a Super would you
still feel the same that you're talking right now?

Speaker 4 (45:05):
I'd give them a little bit more the way if
they got to Super this year again they did failed
and failed and failed. Yeah, at least make it competitive.
Now they got there and they got smacked, run rolled
in both games, now i'd be having this.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
So so in review of the men's basketball program. How
did they do overall this season?

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Yeah, I think they did a good job because they
were very competitive against Duke, and everybody thought Duke was
the national championship level team. H It wasn't like they
got smacked against Houston Thomas first.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Don't you think that the last two or three games,
the last two or three weeks of the Pro of
the season, elevated the season and how you looked at
it up until there was a point there where you're thinking,
I'm not you specifically, but many thought, oh, this is
not very good.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
They're not really well. Let's be honest. After that UCLA game,
I was on the radio view and I said, I
don't know they're going to make the tournament. You're talking
about the December game. December game, I don't know if
they're going to make the turn four and five, especially
going into a top So when did it change?

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Had it would change only in the last month because
they were still that same kind of Okay, what's happening.
They went on that nice streak, but they hadn't played anybody,
and then they got beat a few times. Yeah, and
then I can't remember who they played twelve turnam, I
will stay, I will stay here, and they want that
that game here in the last second.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
And I think the big twelve tournament twelve tournament kind
of started turning things around, and you got it. That's
mid March it is again. I just don't think they
ended up at the same place they did last year.
The season before three sixteen they did, so there was
but I'll give you this. There's more happy faces this
year than there were last yearn the way the difference is,

(46:40):
everybody thought Duke was gonna win that game, Like most
people thought there was gonna win their game. Nobody thought
in their right mind clubs, someone's going to be in Arizona.
They thought, of course, of course, maybe they could give
them a game, but Arizona should beat them. Get to
a sweet sixteen, I mean Elite eight, sorry, Lade eight.
And you underformed this one. You kind of overperformed because
it was close and everybody, dude was going to just

(47:01):
wallop Arizona. So I think there's a difference there.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah, And it turned out, you know, kind of rehab
the team's perception, rehabbed Caleb Love's perception in the way
he played last a few weeks, a few three.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Weeks, Yeah, basically from the Big Ball Tournament on phenomenal.
Well that's two yeah, two three weeks. Yeah. And first
of all, you just again that talent, that's what I
keep coming back. So they probably played to the level
of what they were capable of. And that is that good?
Is that good enough? I don't know, depends how loftier

(47:37):
expectations are. And I know they're high here. I know
they are.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, I'm not trying to be a defender of her
aora or or whatever you're trying to do. But no,
right whatever, I have no idea what you're trying to
do or say.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
I'm not going to defend either way. I think we've
seen enough where it's time to start thinking about possibly
a change.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
I saw a post like that on Facebook and I
couldn't believe I saw that post. They were doing really well, seasons.
It is what it is. They got to this point
and I covered them, and when he first won the title,
first one, two titles, I don't I don't won't go
that far.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
I won't go that far.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
But but you can't send letters to Troy, No, no,
send letters and emails to Troy. Don't send them to me.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
And nobody's getting my number. No, Yeah, hold on, I
can find you here. They can call and say you Dubby. Oh,
next week we're gonna have Mike Andre on the showy
Mike my choice of this? What do you think that
doesn't know what he's talking about? You get in the

(48:45):
box and face I heard that, right, I still get
the call from down shows.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. You remember that one
that was good. Anybody want to call five too?

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Well?

Speaker 4 (48:58):
How mush that we five minutes?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, if I two four, one, six, seventy four forty
did you go to the games where you disappointed where
you're not?

Speaker 4 (49:05):
It was good, good weekend to watch softball, at least
beautiful weekend. And that's the greatest thing in terms of
it was on a softball. You host the regional, you
host a super regional softball, whether you have all those teams,
and yes, it's ninety five degrees during the day, but
you get those lower games where it's like eighty eighty
nine degrees. Last night, it was beautiful. It's funny. The

(49:26):
pan to the uh pan, to the crowd. I don't
think anybody was under fifty. I was gonna say I
noticed something, would I would have fit right in, But
you know what it was. It was louder than McHale.
I heard. I heard it was pretty crazy. It was loud.
It gets louder than mckail there right right, Chris is
the music and you pipe in all that stuff. It's
it's it's nice and you're outdoors.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, no, no, I heard it was fantastic. The atmosphere.
The team just didn't live up to that level of excitement.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
You know, some I'm going to be honest, some of
the meanest crowds I've seen or have been at softball,
women's basketball in terms of getting on the opponent. I'm
just like, you say that once you tell, once you
reach a certain age, try you become grumpy and you unfiltered. Yeah,
what the hell They're gonna put me in prison?

Speaker 2 (50:13):
I tell you, guys, you don't turned out to be
like the two muppet guys that are up in the balcony.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Yeah, a bunch of those dudes, you know, Simon, Yeah,
tell them. I don't give a crap. No, I mean
some of the stuff that I've heard in those two sports,
I'm like, did she really just say that about the
player on the field or the player on the court. Wow,
I'm laughing, but wow.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Yeah, it was a high school softball game, just commentating it,
and it was Yeah, you hear some parents getting into
it for sure. Getting on the players or the the
players are sometimes you ever gone to a little Yeah
you're married, you ever been to a little league game?

Speaker 4 (50:55):
I can't say literally, parents are crazy, man, I believe it.
I mean, that was the whole conversation we had last
week too. Yeah, yeah, right, we did remember that.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
It is what it is.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Yeah, okay, second hour you got breaking news. Yeah, we'll
get a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Okay, cool, and then that a nice little treat, right,
Toby waka four fifteen seventeen. That'll be great just to
talk to him. We don't really get those guys too often.
Perfect timing.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
Right now he is back in New York? So oh
is he's not? Okay? So okay the people that threw
the trash bag at that Pacers guy.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Probably he's gonna be did you you got I saw
that over over the wire earlier? Are you ready to go? Okay,
we have time. We had about a minute. We'll just
talk to him more about, you know, the season, what's
coming up, putt. He needs to work on things like that,
how he was in Tucson, things like that. Okay, great,
what not, let's just go