Thursday, July 17, Hour 1

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
They good enough to do and everybody, welcome to Eye
on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm
Steve Rivera, and today with me is rookie Jonathan Perlman,
president of the FC two Song soccer team.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Thanks for having me, Yes, yes, don't screw it up, John. Listen.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
There's a lot of pressure a lot of the time,
and this would be one of those times.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
And we got Ray running the board. Ye to take
some calls, of course, mat of the call on the call,
I on the call, the call.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Good to see you, Jonathan. Ay, we went to go
see you. You were a little animated on the sideline.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
I got a little bit upset about a particular off
size decision, which I was correct on.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
And so what do they tell you what? And something
like that, What do they say to you?

Speaker 4 (00:57):
So, first of all, all credit to the fourth officially,
he's a guy who's been doing games in Tucson forever
and he knows the level of intensity I can bring.
When I was the coach, I was actually really just
positioned there because I was looking for a celebration to
honor the player. And so basically what happened with me
and Ron Apples, who was the fourth division, was the

(01:18):
ball was played and there were three players putting the
player on side. And what's really cool now with the
technology is we have a camera called the Speedio camera,
and so the during the match, just like in the
in the pros and the NFL and soccer, they go
back and look at So I literally went I already
knew he was definitely on side because I could see it.
And then I went back to they and once I

(01:39):
saw that, I mean I should not to be truthful.
As a technical director, he has every right to tell
they got to bring me over, tell me to be
removed from the situation because I was exacerbating it.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
It was something like that, does he apologize later or
I missed the call?

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well, well, first of all, I know the assistant and
he does a very good job, and I want to,
you know, and I want to give Ron credit for
like understanding the situation. And again, let's let's agree there's
a couple of things going on there. One, it's a
big match with playoff implications. You need a draw or
win to get through two. Obviously, you know the match
is honoring a player that's passed, so all you're feeling

(02:15):
those feelings, and lots of people went there to celebrate him.
So you see a goal going, you're watching the crowd
explode in the joy, and then the joy is removed
and the system referee, Look, look at the end of
the day, referees, umpires, we all have our day.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, I'm when I'm in a more one, I'm grateful
for them.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
We don't want to push people out of doing that,
especially the assistant who's young and very good. Yeah, but
I think I would feel that he would probably review
that and realize that he might have missed that decision.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Is there's no such beast in that league? Or is
there any beast in that.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
No, that's the absolute, and you're talking MLS, you're talking
World Championships. Even some of the conky CAF games just
a couple of years ago didn't have that kind of
review ability. So and then you cell does not have
VAR even at the professional level, because what you're doing
is from an expense standpoint, I mean even at the
minimum VAR, which is the earlier years. You look, you're

(03:09):
talking seven seven additional cameras or something.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Okay, so imagine the production costs on top of it.
So that's the issue.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's costs cost Oh okay, okay, no kind of no harm,
no foul.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, because we're through again. At the end of the day.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
You know, the players are incredibly disappointed, but the fact
was Ventura one so that made them the division champions.
And the reality is uh and I liking it very
much to if you look at college basketball and again,
tremendous achievement. We're very happy we won the Big twelve.
Nobody remembers a Big twelve. No, no, you have any
more than anyone remembers that we've won division titles before.

(03:44):
And once you've hit the final four, which we have,
the expectations we win a national championship and we don't win,
and I'm okay with that expectation. I don't think it's
I think again, tremendous job and a very tough conference.
We travel more than anyone does from Tucson to win
that division or to be in the playoffs two years
in a row, and again we came in the same
way last year as the second place team. And got

(04:05):
the business done.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
So yeah, so here we go again, right absolutely, yeah, yeah, no, no,
we'll talk more about the player and the things that
you were going to under But you said just something
now that I talk to people all the time, and
what is Arizona basketball specifically? Okay, so they they win
the PAC twelve, they win the Big twelve, they win
the Pac twelve a number of times, right, and they
get to whatever to you know, sweet sixteen second round whatever. Okay,

(04:30):
good for you, but that's not why you come to Arizona.
Yeah it's not because you're right. Nobody remembers, they remember it.
But you know, okay, say Levey, you won the PAC
twelve and blah blah blah. But that's not what you
come here to play for. You come here to get
to the Final four and win it all. Am I
repeating what you're saying. No, you're one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
And by the way, I am not particularly putting any
additional pressure on Sabba. Saba's position is not dependents how
well he develops players. The culture you have is it
is it long standing? But you come to Arizona, you're
remembered either your a final four team or you're national
I mean again, Shawn averaged what almost thirty wins a season, sure,

(05:10):
for eight significant period of time. Obviously there were things
that happened that did his tenure here, but ultimately, like yeah,
I mean, it just comes down to you know, even
you know, once Loot had hit that spot, you know,
was there was plenty And I love to say that,
you know, when somebody said that to me beautifully when
I was you know, I've had coaching and and again
at the level of scrutiny, but Luke used to receive

(05:33):
in his best years, you know, two hundred emails a
week and how he was playing the wrong.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Line and the wrong defense.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Again, that's the nature of sure, people caring enough of
ballon you to opine. Mostly what we get on our
Instagram right now is angry Brazilians who have gambled illegally
in their country on our games that we were four
goals favorite on some weird Brazilian line and screaming at
us in Portuguese, which I find, by the way, super
entertaining and hilarious.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Well ahead, that gets a few million dollars a year
to coach. Yeah, you know, okay, so that comes with
the terry like your territory, like you said, and like Tommy,
Now he's gone to four straight sixteens. Now people are saying, okay,
what's next, saying what's wrong?

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah, which is the most insane thing you could possibly say.
And again, the adjustment to a different conference is so
hard to go flip conferences and do what we did.
And again you know we he's got a number three
recruiting class and.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
In essence he did overachieved because he was picked to
finish lower in the Big twelve. Right where did they finish? Yeah? Well, see,
like you to your point nowhere the second I mean second,
but no, remember they finished like yeah, but actually this
year was the year I went to the most games
I've gone to in quite some time.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, but see again, second, okay, why do they do
in the tournament? It's always but guess what, you're right,
it's it's that's how you're measured.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's like, how are you measured? How are you measured?
And do people measure you? One? I don't.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
I think the expect people do measure FC. Two son,
So who are those people? Just my fans, the longtime fans?
And okay and is it is it?

Speaker 6 (07:10):
So?

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Tell me? So how do they measure and is it
not condescending? But is it pressure? I think one, it's.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
The the things that are important to the fans that
I've always stressed is one the players involvement in the community.
The players love being here, and they go out and
they do clinics and they're available and they they're part
of our charitable efforts, and so that's the most important thing.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
The second thing is style of play. I think.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
I mean, I'll defer to Ray, but again, we were
playing one type of game, and the team we were
playing wasn't playing a desperate you know, I think from
an attacking standpoint, Seba has a style of play that
emulates what we were trying to do when I was
the head coach and different points. We try to get
the best players playing the most. We want to produce
professional players. The goal of the team. The measure for
the team for me is how many players we have

(07:57):
to continue on playing Now I would I would take
a six guys getting signed professionally from a team then
winning even in because again that's the legacy of people
who are gonna come back hopefully reinvest in the club.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Can I can I differ? I don't know. About that.
It sounds good, but you want to win.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
But again, what I'm telling you is if players achieved
that the byproduct is winning. If we do all of
these things, like if you have great players and they
move on, the by product should.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Be well, well, we've seen it. I'm gonna I'm going
to be your devil is sometimes And you've seen this.
I'm sure you've had years of all the years, you've
had pretty damn good teams and pretty good players and
you didn't go anywhere because you have even though you
have a lot of talent.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
No, you're one hundred percent right.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
And I would say the team that one went to
the one the Western Conference, And again I say this
a very very good team, but would be evaluated by
any objective person who's hass is one of our weaker,
weaker sides and I had one of our strongest sides
ever and I went out in the first round of
the playoffs and there were very strong Arizona sides that objectively,

(09:00):
that was one of the most talented and even the
you can also say the regular season performance dictated.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, it's a streaks.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
All these everything that has a tournament format has a
streak element. Yeah, Yeah, the fairest, the fairest thing you
can and against soccer, more often than not than any
other sport, the better team doesn't win basketball in a
game performance. You can outperform in a game in soccer
and not win basketball if.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
You play better.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
I mean there's more, there's more goals, there's more, there's
good saying. You can't just stand five guys in front
of the basket with your hand over it, but you
can do that in soccer.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
To uh, you grew up here, right, you spent a
lot of time here. How many times did there was
go to have a better team in the tournament and
it didn't win?

Speaker 4 (09:42):
I mean the team that won was absolutely the perfect
I mean you were you nobody. I'm not schooling you know,
literally the source on this, but again I was here
for that and and literally we were.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
We basically could have gone out to South.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
I mean I can I remember it like it was yesterday,
But I also remember likelast year you could say we
finished second.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I was at the bailor game. I mean the game
was people. I sat next to the old mayor. That's
where I said, and he's he's out the door. He
was at the throwing the.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Ball when throws the ball in, so you compete. So
these guys are great. They had a great attitude. All
the way they treated the I look at lots of things,
the way they treat each other, the way the way
they treat the staff, the way they treat the support staff.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Again, there's so many I'm so proud. I love this team.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
So the guys went, I don't want to call them
kids ray and and and uh and one hope one.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Uh. Well I went.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
They had a good time. I had a good time.
You know, I've seen soccer most of my last because
of the kids. Uh So we went the crowd. Were
you happy with the crowd? Yeah, it's they're they're obnoxious,
funny good yes, right yeah yeah they had some good
one with the horns and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
What did you think about the crowded the play and
the play? The play it was, I mean it was
good play.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
A lot of passes, that's kind of what you like
to see h F C two so on, kind of
control in the possession more than I would say, I
forget who they were playing Stars Stars, they're controlling it
a bit more and like getting to it. The fans
obviously were great that guy behind us who had the
the vuvula.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, that guy was hilarious. His kid playing on my
team last year is a classic.

Speaker 7 (11:19):
Yeah, that guys, that guy. Yeah, no, I mean, you
hear what he's saying, you know what I mean. But yeah,
I thought overall it was a good time little.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Merchant tenants typically, so this year we're up a bit,
I would say.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, average attendance for us is almost fifteen hundred. That
came skewered closer than two thousand. Okay, so let me
ask you a wish list.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
I kind of mentioned this to you because we're not
gonna talk about succer all the time, Right, we got
about two minutes before we go, and we're gonna what
we're gonna do. In the first hour, we're gonna talk
to We're not gonna talk to anybody. We're gonna listen
to the press conference with Bradley and Delorso for about
ten to fifteen minutes, and then we'll come back and
talk about a lot of different things. And then the
next hour, I hope we have some fun with us.
We'll have some breaking news, right Yeah, and then we're

(11:59):
gonna have one of my former interns who's now in Phoenix.
Kevin Thomas he he had a coothing on face but
twitter about what the what ifs? What if Brandon actually
hadn't broken? What if the Steven Jackson that show? So
what if? You've been through a lot of the what
ifs and you can probably come up. What if lou
didn't get ill at the end and what you know,

(12:20):
what if the Chicago game, what if they had to
stop against against Illinois?

Speaker 4 (12:25):
What if every guy who thought they actually had draft
stocks state and developed.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
That's a great one.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
We can mention those guys quickly, So we'll talk about that.
So some wish lists just in a minute or so,
more crowd what what?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
What? What do you would you want? We want to
do some.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Upgrades to the Facilly would like to get a video
board for next year. We think that's a helpful thing
to with the crowd in for to show replays and
said to do some hype stuff. But yeah, we have,
we have, we have a wish list. Our main wish
list is obviously to increase our season ticket holders and
increase the consistency we have that type of because people
have loved this year and we've had more of those crowds,

(13:03):
and we think this is really a turning point here,
especially in a World Cup year.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
And we talked about this a lot. I think you
were with us, right because I have Blake on a
lot and you know Blake great. Just just the things
that could be improved in this city with everybody pulling
the rope, right, because everybody wants everybody to be successful. Uh, facilities,
whether it's you know, more fans, just more publicity, whatever,
and you're all part of that, right and and and

(13:28):
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so feel free.

Speaker 15 (19:02):
To fire away with questions. Anthony, went's your summer update?

Speaker 16 (19:06):
Have you been back in Australia or spending the summer.

Speaker 15 (19:08):
Here as going?

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah, I went back home for just over three weeks,
probably about a month ago.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
It was great.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
I mean, I loved to part from being windsor that
was anything I didn't like, but same family, seen friends again.
Obviously I hadn't been on them in two years, so
it was great to get back and kind of see
my people again.

Speaker 17 (19:26):
When we talked to Tommy about a month ago, he
had mentioned that the two of you as well as
Toby and indicated pretty quickly that you wanted to come
back and.

Speaker 15 (19:35):
Wanted to get that settled. Why why did you know
that right away that you both.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
Wanted to come back here.

Speaker 18 (19:42):
You know, I just you know, I love what you know,
Coach Lloyd, and you know the staff and you know
the programs all about, and you know, I feel like
I definitely want to finish out.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
My senior year here. I wouldn't want to do it
anywhere else.

Speaker 18 (19:54):
And I feel like they're going to help me, you know,
achieve my goals at the next level. And you know,
starting here, Coach Lloyd, we got our whole staff back,
some key players, some new, some new guys, and so
we're all going to help each other, you know, achieve
our goals.

Speaker 15 (20:11):
From last year season pretty four first time or better.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
I mean for me, obviously, like you said, first time
I'm coming from a mid major level was a you know,
huge eye opener.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
You get you get pretty new with it pretty fast.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
You know, it hits you pretty quick, you know, body wise,
strength wise, athletically, it's just a different, different bowl game
from the mid major level. But you know, like Jenden said,
like coming back, that's that's a big reason I want
to come back.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
I understand it more now. The knowledge is there.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
You know, you have those past experiences that make you
want to change and make you want to get better,
so that I just kind of taken the knowledge I
took from last year and the experiences through all our
games and kind of bring it into this year.

Speaker 15 (20:48):
It would be one.

Speaker 8 (20:49):
Of these two things that you're working on this summer
to to to be better this year.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
My body, for sure is one of them.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
That's something I've really focused on pretty much since we
lost to Due last year. That from the get go,
no time off, just went straight to that. That's always
going to be an ongoing process, but so far it's
going great. Something else, I mean, you always just fine
tuning things, you know, defensively, always thinking, you know, I
can do this, I need the offense, and I can
do this, and I do that.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
But for sure, my body is the number one thing.

Speaker 16 (21:17):
Following up on my previous question your thought process this
spring and decision to come back, would you consider anything else, transfer.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Prohs, etc. Whatever.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
No, I was pretty heavily you know, wanting to come
back pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Like you said, I just thought that with what I.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Experienced last year the way told me he kind of
recruited me the way we had talked about, like the
process and what you want to achieve you know later
in your career. He could really help me with those things.
And you know, with certain guys kind of leaving you
guys coming in, I could see the foundation was already there,
especially the guys like GB comeback, Toba Crebis kind of
set that tone for me to like, I can step
right in to something I already know with coaches I

(21:53):
already trust, and I can just build on what I
already did.

Speaker 15 (21:55):
Either.

Speaker 16 (21:56):
If you met Cola Pete, did you follow what he
coached way to the summer.

Speaker 18 (22:00):
In Yeah, I actually tuned in some of the games
where we were on break. You know, CoA was dominating
over there, you know, with the best of the best,
and I mean, you know, I don't expect anything, you know,
let's for CoA.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
You know, I asked him about the trip. You know,
he liked it.

Speaker 18 (22:15):
You know, he said it was a long trip for sure,
you know, Excited for him and Coach Lloyd and you
know the rest of the guys are on the staff
to get the gold. You know, excited for him to
get back with the team and so we can continue
to grow as one.

Speaker 15 (22:30):
Question, once you learned last year moving forward for coming.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Year, your.

Speaker 18 (22:36):
Personally, you know, just got to be more consistent, uh,
you know with my game, you know as a team,
you know, defense we've been that's you know, with the
summer workouts, we've been preaching harping on defense and you know,
good offense. And I feel like, you know, throughout the
year last year we kind of had our ups and downs,
you know, shooting wise and defensive wise, so you know,
kind of staying consistent you know the whole year. You

(22:58):
know it's not gonna be perfect, but you know the
defense is something that can be consistent throughout the year.
And you know shooting is going to be up, going
to be down, but you know, hang our head on
the defense end.

Speaker 15 (23:11):
What is he looking back to you as a player.

Speaker 18 (23:13):
Yeah, you know he's always in the gym. You know,
you know, hats off to him. He always wants to
get better. You know, very strong, physical guy. You know
he had some crazy dunks already, athletic on the defensive end,
you know, big presence and you know, excited to see
what he can really do. When you know you really
get up and down versus you know, other opponents.

Speaker 16 (23:33):
Even though you had agreed to come back to sign
the reps or whatever, did you what was that process?

Speaker 15 (23:38):
Like you were in the.

Speaker 16 (23:39):
Draft pool again this year?

Speaker 15 (23:40):
What you were last year?

Speaker 16 (23:41):
Was it different this time around?

Speaker 15 (23:42):
Your learn anything?

Speaker 3 (23:43):
What was that experience?

Speaker 5 (23:44):
Like?

Speaker 18 (23:44):
Yeah, actually my name was in there, but you know,
I talked to some of the people, and you know,
I decided not to do I didn't do any of
the workouts or you know anything. So you know, once
I talked to coach Lloyd and everybody, and you know
it was fully committed to coming back. You know, I
put my name out of it, and you know I
was just you know, working to get better within the offense,
you know, just in the summer, you know, working on
that stuff that we're gonna translate to you know, Arizona basketball.

Speaker 16 (24:09):
I feel like for both of you guys, just this
whole repshare era, now that schools actually you know they're
actually paying you directly. You've always had you already had
nil deals and all that. But is it different this
time arounds? I feel different, different era or whatever or
the same as far as you know, what kind of
how it affects you.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Uh, not really to me.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
I mean I feel like we just put possible for
us and kind of let you know who we trust
to like take care of that. At the end of
the day, I show up, I lift, I practice, we
get extra shots up, we hang out. It's life is
pretty much the same, these old extra rules of other
people to deal with.

Speaker 16 (24:42):
Well, it does it matter in the sense that you
guys have I mean, you sign the deal and you
know you're coming. It's me it seems like maybe a
little more certainty of this way that you know, if
you're expecting to they know what, Yeah, because you guys
will sign what in April pre early, right.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Yeah. I think it just comes down to like the trust.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
Like I don't think anyone ever thinks that what you
talk about is not going to happen. When you trust someone,
like you believe what they say, you believe that they're
going to hold up their end, and you hold up
your end by like showing up, by working out, by
putting extra time in And that's all I can do.
And then the rest is kind of up to you know, fate,
like whether you trust them what you don't. If I didn't,
I want to come back. So that's a big reason
why did come back, Because I trust these guys about

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your body.

Speaker 15 (25:20):
You must have gained some weight, maybe some strength.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah, I've shore again.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
Oh I want to say twenty five pounds at least.
I'm you know, still soaring up, still trying to lift weights,
still getting bigger. It's always a work in progress, like
I said before, but that's been the big focus. I mean,
me and Coach Rounds have been in the weight room
or a bunch, you know, different things, different eating, eating
styles and lifting weights, and it's something I really focused on.
So I got a little bit to go, but for

(25:46):
sure put on that's sure.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Being undersize or whatever, less skinnier and playing against you.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Know, people this level, it's eye opening.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
It's also because I mean, you play games and you
play certain types of matchups and some guys are quicker,
some as a big as, some guys a tola and
you just kind of adapt. And I didn't think that
I was too far behind it, you know, And that's
kind of encouraging in a way because you know you're
right there. And with the thought of hey, I got
an off season coming up, I got all this time
to get ready and now that the results kind of showing,

(26:15):
now it's like, okay, I can really instead of just surviving,
now I can really like dominate this thing with that
out of extra weight.

Speaker 17 (26:20):
You guys had a player that was coming back from
injury and rebas Are this year previous is kind of.

Speaker 15 (26:26):
Doing the same and kind of working his way back.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
What have you guys seen out of him throughout that process?

Speaker 15 (26:32):
How is his health coming along and just preparation for
the season.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Uh, you know, Crevius is you know, he's a warrior.

Speaker 18 (26:39):
You know that injury is not easy, you know, not playing,
but he's been doing a great job with Jay Rock
and you know other people he's working with doing his treatment.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
You know, we saw him back on the court.

Speaker 18 (26:48):
You know he's looking like he never skipped a step, dominant,
and you know, we're excited for him to get a
full of season with us.

Speaker 16 (26:57):
I mean, kind of were leaders last year. Does it
changed this year you more so that way? Or are
you doing different things the way you approach you know
kind of in the veterans in this.

Speaker 18 (27:06):
Team, I mean, none of this stuff kind of really changes,
you know, missing some key guys that were leaders last year.
But you know, we definitely, you know, changed some little
stuff because you know, obviously we didn't get you know,
as far as we hope to, so you got to make,
you know, minor little adjustments, little tweaks. But you know,
we gotta meet Delhi, Tobey Crevious. You know, we've been

(27:29):
in this program, so we really got to step up,
speak up. But you know, I feel like with this program,
everybody has a voice. You know, even if it's a freshman.
You know, when they're talking, everybody's gonna have eyes on them,
you know, listening, and we already respect one another.

Speaker 17 (27:42):
So uh sorry, when compared to where you were at
this point last year, seeing all these new guys that
are here in the program, most of which are freshmen,
do you kind of see something in them that like
that newness of being here and that you are able
to give them an idea of what to expect.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
Yeah, I mean there's always growing pains with anyone, it
doesn't matter how good you are. But uh, you know,
that's that's where we kind of come in as guys
that have been in the program. We can kind of help,
you know, I can give my kind of two cents
on what I went through and things that I'm saying
maybe ways that coach explained it, I can find a
way to say it a different way that may get
through to them. And I think that just comes down to,
like the four of us who did come back, we

(28:19):
can really use that experience to kind of help them.
And they're also ego alone, you know, that's that's the
number one thing. If you have to be willing to
be coachable, and these guys are great at that. You know,
they're willing to take information like no tomorrow. So it's
promising signs and they're obviously off to a good stop.

Speaker 15 (28:34):
About the schedule, luster was very good. This year's even better.
Your thoughts on playing, that's good.

Speaker 18 (28:39):
Yeah, And uh, you know that's what we we're here for,
you know, play the best of the best. You know,
right away, you know we got a tough game out
the gate. You know, that's what we you know, preparing for.
But you know, if it starts to practice, so you know,
we're keep building, working on ourselves first, and you know,
when it gets closer to that date, we'll start you know,
preparing getting that sky report and you know, getting all

(28:59):
that together right now, working on you know, finding finding
each other, finding each other, you know, finding you know,
how we can play with each other and connecting that bond.

Speaker 11 (29:11):
The same type of reaction for you guys in terms
of when you look at the schedule, when you start
to seeing the teams pop up, like when you saw
Florida pop up, and like for everybody here.

Speaker 15 (29:19):
It was like, oh wow, is it the same type
of reaction for the players as well?

Speaker 3 (29:23):
You see? Not for sure? I mean you definitely you
know everything.

Speaker 18 (29:26):
We watched the National Championship and you know, the last
thing you can remember is, you know, Florida they won
it all and you know, a great team, they got
great coaching staff over there. So we're excited to play
you know, the former national championship team and uh, you know,
see how we can match up and you know we
want to come out with that win for sure.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
So so get your tickets now because the games in November,
the first game of the year, it's a Monday. I'm
sure that'll be Michale North for at least one day. Jonathan,
So I want I'm gonna ask you a question. How
many years have you been a head coach. I've been
a head coach of youth soccer since nineteen ninety seven

(30:07):
often on Yeah, but you haven't been the head coach
for all that time? Oh you mean for teams or
teasc two teams, just teams all over. I've been since
for I mean I've been coached. Okay, coaching for twenty
eight years. Okay, so twist of them, most of them
as a head coach. Okay, so I've had I've been
the first assistant, I've been the second.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Okay, so twenty eight years. How many championships have you won?
Just give me the major ones you would I would say.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
What I would call really significant youth ones and really
significant I would say I've won five.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
So five and twenty three? Yeah, five and twenty three.
Is that good?

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Is that you're talking a national championship in club, a
state championship?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
And yeah, it's pretty even better because it serves my point.
What are the things that people talk to me when
they see me and they kind of know who I
am and what I do. Don't you think they're it's
only shit to have won more titles and or been
more successful in the loot time, because that's my time,
right And since they said Arizona had some pretty good teams,
but kiss one other teams are pretty damn good too.

(31:14):
I mean, it wasn't you didn't win because it was
your fault. I mean you went up to these teams
that are pretty damn good.

Speaker 15 (31:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
And also you have to look at where you're pulling
when you're trying to win, like something, when you're trying
to win nationally and you're not so Arizona one. We
know all about the spending, So are you the ones
spending the most even before we were spending and actually
buying players and paying and the way we are. But
like again, the amount of investment schools were able to

(31:40):
make in Arizona's comparative investment, yeah, was also extraordinary how
well looted it, especially at the beginning to build a
national channe.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
I mean, you could do it.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
It was always going to be easier to do it
when you could do it with three or four players
that an entire That's why the football program it's so
much more difficult. But yeah, I mean the reality is,
uh you know, for me, yeah, it's it's just it's
so hard to do everyone else I was, You're playing
California to La Area, Dallas area for soccer, New York,
New Jersey. I mean these are populous, populous. Forget just

(32:12):
Phoenix winning a state championship US soccer.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
So you said five, right, five in twenty years, could
there have been two more that you said, Okay, we
screwed up or we didn't play well.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
No, I mean we we got to twoday Sabino two
state finals, the second state finals.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
That would have been a big upset.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
But you know what I'm saying, Yeah, when there was
a couple, there was a couple with what ifs, like
you say, first round bowouts. Yeah, of course winning, winning
is very difficult. And you can say, well, I'm the
best looking guy in a room, but there's other rooms
there because brother teams show up, they're pretty damn good.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yes, and people here kind of says like this year,
this year should be a pretty good basketball team. Right, yes,
but what did you say, Well, we were listening to this.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
You're what what you don't like as a coach are variables,
So like, how many variables do you have? So your
variables are now Creevus is coming back? Will you how
will he be? You don't have your primary ball handler,
so now Bradley becomes your primary ball handler, which was
not his role, and you also have lost your leading scorer,

(33:17):
you've lost your leading interior player, and you're really counting
on three freshmen, one who's very young.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
And I'm not talking about it. We're talking talent.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Talented, but yes, talented, but I mean again, Carter Bryant
was extremely talented, but he was limited in his impact
as he was learning. There were moments where Carter Bryant
was a difference maker, but there were games where he
was absolutely.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Today as a non factor perfectly, you know.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
So we just you don't know, and everyone else also
has these things now because again, sure everyone else is
losing players, you're re recruiting your own play. It's a
fascinating time for an observer. I wouldn't want to be
an NCAA head coach right now at any sport.

Speaker 7 (34:02):
So challenging in saying that, though I kind of like,
I don't I don't think it got to it in
that like in what we showed on the show, but
like they both kind of talked about how they like
how quick they were to kind of come to the
decision of like wanting to come back, like Jyalen Bradley
and Adeo and I don't know, I feel like if
you create, if you like, cultivate a place where people

(34:22):
want to come back to.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
I think it's a lot easier than you know, no question,
no question about that about the creating the culture. Yea.
But again to to your point when we were talking
just off the thing, where did they have the chance
to go?

Speaker 4 (34:37):
I mean if you were if yeh of upgrades. I
think what's interesting is like, let's say you're somebody like
you're at the Witches State shockers have had a nice
little bit. That bit's over because you can you have
a year. Yeah, but whatever you have, there's no way
fiscally you would stop a player from having that opportunity,

(34:59):
like you at least maybe keep them if they weren't draft.
It doesn't matter a non draft player who's not gonna
get d and we can just we can just talk
about last year's Indiana.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Our friend in Indiana again one hundred needs to do that.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
I no ill will, but again he's he was not
particularly impactful in Indiana and he's not going to be
an NBA player. So people are now earning their money
at this level and you can't begrudge them that. I
just think again, Arizona, I think is in a very
advantageous place facilities wise. Now we've come reputation, reputation, coach,
coach experience on campus, you know, I mean, and that's

(35:36):
what it tells.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
That's because Tommy doesn't want to go with that Niel stuff.
He just hates it.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
But now they're making pretty good money. It's Arizona basketball
and that's why. But Matt manages that right right, So that.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Which is you know, and fascinating conversation and how those
things work and how hard he has to work and
having a general manager, which is a really unique thing.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
So so everyone raised about this team in this prostral right,
which they should. It's a pretty good one. But your variables,
and I loved how you use it. The variables have
to come through. They're only I think seventeen fifteen to
seventeen in the rankings, but everybody loves his team. Said,
Temper to your enthusiasm. Temper to your enthusiasm, because it
has to be because you're gonna you're gonna fail in

(36:18):
your enthusiasm later.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
I mean, I think I think we I think what
would be again reasonable expectations and Arizona basketball fans, it's
like Joe Moship it's an oxymoron, you know. I mean,
you're just you're just not gonna have it. But what
you what you're likely to have is not dissimilar to
this year. Right, You're gonna struggle in the beginning games.
You're gonna struggle with your rotations, You're going to struggle

(36:42):
with players roles.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
But what Tommy doesn't get enough credit was how much he.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Figured out and how quickly he figured out how to
utilize players. But the problem is, especially when you have
young players who's who've been told they're great, and their
expectation is to play, if you're not in that segment
right away, and if it turns out guys actually that
have been through it are pretty consistent, Tommy Stamy, Tommy
has to go. If I don't give this guy enough minutes,

(37:07):
I'll never see the fruition of what we've invested in him.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
We're gonna let's let's stop there, because because I want
to transition because of Carter. I mean, you're you're kind
of talking about Carter right there. He didn't have to
worry about minutes, you know what. He was gone anyway, Yes,
he was gone anyway. So he had to play Deladoroso
because chemistry, YadA, YadA. I like the way you frame that,
because okay, you don't play him or many minutes, What

(37:33):
does it matter. He's not gonna be here tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
He was always gonna be drafted on stack because again,
this is an unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
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Speaker 3 (42:02):
Hey, by the way, up, I'm not sure how long
you'll be able or you'll last on this show because
you're too pragmatic and too realistic. We don't we don't
take that kindly here.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
I again understand that I'm a super fan too as well.
I just it's always difficult for me, I guess because
I mean my career has been as a scout, I
mean analytic, being analytic, and then being a coach where
you don't get to be a fan in those moments.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
I am up. Since I was as young as you
can imagine, I've been. I was coming to U of A.
But you don't you have like a.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Degree or at least you're get it that way for law, Yeah,
political science. I was here in law school.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Okay, so you're one of those dudes. I've been watching
suits and they freaked me out. Yeah you want suits.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yes, I've watched suits, and I can just tell you
my friend, my peer group from that law school. The
smart I love my friends, you know, they're just they
were just so great. Yeah, when you go to it's
it's like you're a smart you're a smart nil in
your school and you have to get into law school
and you have as a very very high quality law
school and you just meet more smart people.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
It can get very just like I'm not smart.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Like you realize, well, because eventually you're getting into a
room and there's a there's there's there's an Mi T
rocket scientist who's like, you're.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Just you stay smart and you said smart a lot there.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
To me, it's ah, well again again, you know there's
a I think the hard thing for me is like
I wanted to do. I was like, I will be
the greatest insurance defense lawyer, like the most well most
like again you need to have insurance defense lawyers. I'm
not here to take it, but I'm just saying like
I wasn't gonna get to be this washballckling process and

(43:37):
be like but sure, you know, clearly he can still
walk and you know, just like something hard like you said,
like the most horrible.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Like maybe I would be good. I was like, I
don't know if I want to use that takes It
takes a personality to do that. What got you out?

Speaker 4 (43:51):
I just I wasn't enjoying it and I thought it
would be something other than it was. And what I
really found, what I loved was working. And I'd done
all the summers. I had worked summer camps and coached
and taught, and that was really a yeah at twenty
three is in loss. But I had all the summers
I had worked. I taught tennis, I had coached stock camps.
I'd just been in general camp cancer. I had worked

(44:12):
in schools, I mean, and I had substitute taught. Like
I realized that's my love was just being a teacher.
I wen't have to be a teacher.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
So okay, yeah, because a lot of people do that
though they go to law school blah blah blah and
realize I'm not that guy or that girl, But you
can also do a lot with a lot of the green.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
I could have finished out, but like I was just
so you know, like it' very it's very technical in
moments there the writing requirements, and then you you're studying,
you still don't feel like you know anything, which is
okay because you're never going to know.

Speaker 8 (44:39):
All the law.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
You just got to learn how to ask the right
questions and where to research and how to I mean again,
you have to be pragmatically. So I think I had
some skill sets, but for me, it is and there's
a different times in your life. Maybe I should have stuck.
I mean, don't look back, you're not going that way.
I know I ended up doing what I was supposed
to do, but uh, I have lots of great legal
assistan and I've tended to need it at times, you know,

(45:02):
and mostly on the speeding tickets eide of it. Just
to get clear, I'm in no way didn't that it
wanted criminal. But like I I I love a good
traffic ticket. I did for the first twenty years.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Okay, okay, so let's talk more about basketball. On the
other side. With Kevin football, that's a different beast. Yes, absolutely,
you're a fan, huge, huge. How How how has life
been over your lifetime?

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Well, here's my football lifetime. My football lifetime started pretty
you know, you're you're young. You get to give me,
give me the first memories. The first memories, of course,
I mean the most major memories is eighty six Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
So I'm a Giants fan from no, no, no, no,
I don't want that. I don't want you want Arizona.
I want Arizona.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
I mean the quarterback duo, you know, O j and
uh oh, really that's not that's not too long ago. Yeah,
I mean, of course I knew Desert Swarm, but I
wasn't really out here. But when I started, you know
that I was forging you to Smith Smith or no no.
For me, it was the end of ninety four. Yeah,
it was a fantastic Hawaiian interior alignement. O Jays and

(46:11):
Keith Smith. Those are really my first first major memories,
you know. And then McAllister. So your success hasn't been
that long. I mean, there's more been more failure than success. Yeah,
I've seen, I've seen, I've seen love come, I've seen
I've seen I've seen the I mean again, I think
I think it's just very difficult when you have the

(46:37):
amount of investment that other schools had started in before
we got into that. You know, the history, you know,
and I don't think we really took advantage of our
history in the time when we had the best history.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Okay, so we'll talk more about football, But who's offered
more heartache, Which which program basketball or football?

Speaker 4 (46:56):
For me, it's got to be basketball because we've been closer.
I mean, I think the years that we were great,
I felt like that was about what we could do.
I mean, they were maximized. If you think about the
year where I think we beat Miami and the Fiesta Bowl,
to me, that was like, I don't think we were now.
I was like, that's about the game we could win.
When rich Rod went all the way and then we

(47:17):
I think again, I thought that team achieved about what
it could achieve. And then two years ago, I thought
the expectations last year were ridiculous. I thought the other
team it just ched Fish, had done an unbelievable job.
But that was about Again. I just don't I'm just
I just don't see this as a team that's gonna
win national championship. I'm happy if we hear a good

(47:39):
bowl game, if we played good football. We people are
nervous coming here. We get an upset and and there's
a big crowd and we get excited. We're always in.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
We're always a dangerous or always a hard out. You know.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Yeah, of course you want to beat a su I mean,
I just my expectations are very different, you know, right,
they realistic.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I mean you have realistic expectations.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
But I think more heartache has been in basketball naturally
because you kind of hope more, hope for more because.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
You also know what and again I had, like I said,
I was a small period where I've been to Oklahoma.
The difference invest like you can understand we're talking about.
I've seen up close the difference in investment, and so
people have to understand what it would take, like you
all have to buy all your tickets and go to
all your games and buy all your merch and also

(48:24):
every single person here that varies their investment would only
invest in football because it's culturally the only thing you
care about. I mean there's people that that tithe like
I mean literally it's ten percent their income is going
to Texas.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
But I mean it's it's religion there. It's not religion here.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
I think people who don't have you been to that
because you you kind of traveled in your army life.
But but you're you're right, if you haven't seen it
or lived it and you come back to this.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
You're thinking this is not the same.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
No, I mean you just there's just we're turusts and uh,
you know, we're just taurists. And I don't mean that again.
I'm a full supporter. I watch the games, I go
to the game. I mean, but like I have, I
have realistic expectations. I'm pleased when we have a good team.
I'm please when we have a competitive team. I'm pleased
when we play hard. I'm pleased when the play like
I see good play calling, I see improvements, ear goes

(49:15):
like again, I look at it very much through less
of football. I look basketball. I look through more from
a fans than I do football.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
You go to football games. I have tickets. I don't
care about that. I'm gone coaching a lot of the weekends.
Is why if I can go, I go. Are you
there for Nau?

Speaker 4 (49:35):
I was not there?

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Okay, so but you kind of felt the pain like
Jay is living and dying with the games because he's
got his emotional investment in it. You're not to that degree, No, No,
to what degree are you.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
To the degree that I'll read enough about the disappointment
and listen. I'll listen to the sports radio and I'll
listen to the what I think our rational takes and
irration takes, but I also am a supporter.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
I think it's hard for me. And I'll say this,
I've been a professional coach now now at a very call.
It's minor league soccer. I'm not going to make any
call it lately. But I understand that I'm a human.
I have three children. You're making a living and income.
I think about the person getting fired and trying to
sell their house and trying to get another job and

(50:27):
their kids crying, like I just I can't. I can't
separate that. So I'm always going to look at coaches
now that I've seen that. I mean, I was in Oklahoma,
so we had just been hired, we were one whatever,
and and my head coach is walking going, Earl, the
wolves are at the door, you know, and you're.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Just going, we just got here. We need to turn
it around. Time.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
He's on our players. So I've been through that kind
of situation. I didn't we didn't realize that. Nobody told
us the books were upside down when we got here
or whatever it might be.

Speaker 14 (50:55):
So is he.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Until I did professional soccer in twenty eight team, I
would say I was more of a fan, like we
gotta do better and everything you know, I just go wow,
he's kind of now living in a little apartment. He's
gotta find another rent. He's gonna rent this other thing.
Where's a moving truck coming? His wife's not talking like,
I can't you know.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
I can't. I can't people.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
I can't take that humanside of it. So I'm always
rooting for them to go out and goold weigh. I
always want them to have their bio like. I always
want them to have a bear like just being straight.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
I just how I see it. Well, we gotta go
with fifty five. We hope some have a minute. Yeah
to that point. So you listened.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
I know you listened to sports talk shows, but maybe
not always money but some of the uh and two
sons of kind kind media area. You've landed it. We're
in a land of nice. We're all sleeping together, so
everyone's nice. Everyone's nice. I mean, you can't and you
get some criticism, but it's not very much. It's yeah,
very you get that, right, you see that, of course,
but but you also see some or no. I mean,

(51:55):
I'll be honest, so I do. I do supports MEA
Kelly's Dave. Kelly's very great, You're great Justin and Ali
are great.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Frank Brinsley's gonna be the hardest on me ninety six
one because he doesn't have a sports take, like I'm
the only sport he's covering. I'll be like, the team
is bad, I'm disappointed in you. I'm mad we don't
have better, better, better, it's easier to get into the state,
like he's he's the most harshest critic.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Why are we not in pro relegations? Why are you
not progat again?

Speaker 4 (52:24):
I like that about because it's like it's almost fun
for me to like because it still pretend almost because
it's not like I'm going like I have to fire
myself at this point.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
But it is interesting. This is a very positive town.
Just don't realize that it is no question. Okay, now
we gotta go. Yeah, sorry,