Tuesday, April 29, Hour 2

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Streaming live on the Ihearts Radio Wive. This is Eye
on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hey, welcome back to the ball here on Fox sportsporteen. Cookie,
I'm Steve Rivera, your Dave Silver. Now we have one
with breaking news. I don't know why it never works
with me. It doesn't like me.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh well, welcome to breaking news, yours truly, Mihitolindo on
a Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
It feels a little bit weird. Yes, no, I'm glad
you filled in.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, we're here on a Tuesday, starting off with some
Arizona women's basketball after the weekend editions of Molly Ladwig
and oh Sumiya Suga Pung.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah she where's she from?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
You see San Diego transfer Ladwig is an incoming from
I think Omaha de Brass.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
I think the roster is pretty much complete in it,
I believe so.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I've been waiting for the official on the on the website,
but they announced today the officially signed the signing international
guard uh media.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, we had that yesterday, but it was I don't
think it was official.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
It may have been, but and then they had a
couple of staff editions. Jenna Nudsen. I believe that's how
you pronounced that last name. As an assistant.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Coach as well, he played for her at the Embry
Riddle her early years as as the head coach, so
she played for her there.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Would you ever guessed that mby Riddle had a team?
I didn't even know. No, what is it? Is it
a n ai?

Speaker 5 (01:39):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I guess yeah, so yeah, it's up in Prescott.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Also, you haven't said that, right pre Preskres I always
had a Prescott.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah that's wrong. It's pres k a biscuit, but it's
a brisky the biscuit and brisky don't make me hungry.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Now, I didn't have my lunch. So alasi these A
Williams as the director of Staff Staff Operations, joining her
from Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Okay, so they get they get a GM, they got
Julie Rosie card great. Uh and then we have the
two new right, well, okay, I think they're gonna be fine.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I think they're gonna be fine. It always will be yeah,
sure eventually, sure that's.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Lightning the bottle like Ada did.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
And who knows exactly And then you guys have such
about it earlier. But baseball happening tonight six o'clock high
Corbett Field taking on New Mexico State six.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Okay, yeah, yeah, you'll be home by eight thirty whether
you like.

Speaker 6 (02:39):
It or not.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
He handed one of the basketball games full night of sports.
What a life baseball? Well, they struggled, but they went
one to two against six. They've got a couple more
series before the Big twelve Attorney.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
They played in Mexico State about a month ago, a
little lesson the beginning of the month. Yeah, one eleven
to nine. Uh, and tonight will be there. You have baseball?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
What is that is there? Latin night? Take me to
the game. Okay on baseball, I should be likely.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
You know, I went to U Zoom Nights a couple
of weeks ago and there was like nobody there from
the Zona Zoo. I was kind of like, you know,
wasn't there supposed to be like their studying day, their
study The only thing they had was like the cheerleaders
were there for some reason. And what was the attendants like, say,
maybe fifteen hundred, like a bunch of old guys like me.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, they thought you doing it.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
I remember the days of when Chip played played for
the U A.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
But yeah, baseball happening tonight.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Okay, you I mean yeahego the baseball Take me to
the game of baseball.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Softball's got their upcoming road trip to Houston starting on
Friday after the split in San Diego last weekend. But
today was announced Devin Nets picked up her second big
tall Picture of the week.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Nice, So come grat this little future for her graduation.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
So I'm not sure if you talked about yesterday, but
Shaquille O'Neal has agreed to become the Sacramento.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
State gm UH with Bibby right, yeah, with baby. That's
interesting because his son's gonna be playing for her gm Yeah.
When when do they have time? He's got to do
an icy hot commercial, he's got to do a general
the commercial, he's got to do the T and T stuff.
Now he's gonna be the gm Well, if anything anything,
I think the world of mine because he's he is

(04:36):
a friend of mine and we text every now and again,
and he's going full for his baby. He knows, he
knows people. Can he get some players I think for
that level, I think so. I think.

Speaker 7 (04:47):
So.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
The thing is that's the place, Dave, and we know
this New Mexico state, maybe in New Mexico to a degree,
the Colorado States. You go there and you better catch
it right away. It's a place to get fired because
you got to win, you know what I'm saying. I
mean they're in the big sky.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, so what Nau the Montana is the North Oka
Idaho's I think.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
If he wins, and he could because he's that dude,
he's that coach he wanted at the high school level.
He's a demanding coach. Uh he can, Yeah, he'll draw
some excuse me, draw some attention. Well, look he's already
did with Shack being his GM guy exactly. And then
he's uh, I know, he got a recruit out of
south out of a Scott Still Junior college community college.

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So yeah, more power to Mike.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
So these guys come in like as GM's like, is
that like a really a full time job?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
You think, well, how's that going to work? Well? I
think depends, Like here would be an u a right
over there. I'm not too sure because uh, Steph is
a GM for David Savidson. Davidson also Trey Young at Oklahoma.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Now, yeah, so it's kind of like a you know, uh,
what's the what's the word I'm looking for a celebrity
of I mean, like Arizona's got guys that are you know,
actually you know, work on the staff.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
They are supposedly gms. I think some of it and
I'm talking through my my, you know what, because I
don't know. I'm sure that nil if Shack gives some
ni L to that, and the other guys give a Hey,
it's not on the table, it's it's upfront, and your
coach is given it to you or your GM is
given it to you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
I think it's similar to the role Bruski fish or
good Point senior analyst or supervisor best friends a good
Point senior best friend to the head coach.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
But then that guy you know, Woj from ESPN that
goes to Saint Bonaventure, he's their GM and he every
once in a while and will announced, hey we got
this play.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I mean, so he seems to be working that gig.
You know, I'm sure and all if you have Shack
is your guy and he's talking you up. I mean,
who's not gonna listen right, whether it's good or not.
I mean, you know what he says. In fact, I
get to google get my next icy hot just joking.
Those those work, do they okay? Good for me? Good

(07:01):
to know I walked like an old dude. You know
I've been walking like an old dude because I would
all you ever had baseball, baseball, baseball being very very
good to me. I don't.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
I also don't know if you talked about this yesterday,
but Elijah Arenas is walking in doing better.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah. Did did you see that video? The noo there
was a video of the crash. No, did it come
from the car? I guess because it does it take
from the way it looks, wasn't it? It was a
Tesla cyber truck crash into a tree.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Did not see it? Did it come out today? I
saw it last week or like a couple of the day.
I didn't see it, So tell me crashing into a tree.
I've been guessing the battery caught fire or the engine
or whatever. I don't know how those things work. But
wheels of a trash can or whatever, I don't know.
But also hit off one of the fire hydrants and

(07:55):
water was ever but he they someone local right there
and then they but I'm guessing possibly one of the
house the house members of the household in front of it,
came out and knew that there was someone in the car.
Still got to bild him out and he was laying
and rolling in the water right there for for a

(08:16):
good while until the paramedics came.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah. So, so part of that story was he was
it was five o'clock in the morning, I think at
five o'clock in the morning, and it said that he
was coming from a workout. I'm thinking to my I'm
thinking to myself, who's working out at four or five, three, three,
four thirty in the morning. You know, well, people that
want to be real good, you can sleep till seven

(08:41):
or eight, you know what I'm saying. The skeptical Yeah,
skeptics to it. Yeah, okay, no, I definitely work Google
Google the if you have a chance to google the
crash or whatever, because it was Yeah, I was definitely
on on x.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Okay, uh, but continue with some bad baketball. You got
the we talked about it. The playoffs happening right now.
Great games last night. Oh, a great game last night.
But we got the Bucks and Pacers in the midst
of it right now, forty seven forty one Bucks at
the half Oay, you got the Pistons going up against
the Knicks at four thirty, Magic playing the Celtics at

(09:18):
five thirty, and the tides series between the Clippers and
Nuggets at seven.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
That's good. I've been watching that's Denver right, game five
and what's the two?

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, that those games have been great. I mean the
Clippers are favored by the point and a half on
the road.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
You're a you're a dunk away from being up three
to one. So this is this is, in my opinion,
been a great series. But I'm not sure how the
hold up against Oklahoma City. Yeah, after say it goes
seven to six.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, because this game, I mean, this series will definitely
go six at least.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
So you guys talked about there and Gordon play assume
yes they're tipping.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
That was something else. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Staying in the NBA, Kings have named Doug Christie their
next head coach.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Oh, so he's gonna stick on stay on right.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, he was the interim after firing their their original
head coach. I think it was rown. Yeah, but he's
gonna stick with that choice. After Damian Lillard got hurt
with his uh achilles, doc Rivers came out and said
this isn't and said that, Dame said, that's not the

(10:29):
way he's going to go out. There's been a lot
of speculation if this is the retirement for Lillard or
maybe just career ending, but he is very clear that
he doesn't want to go out that way. No, I
don't think he ever. I don't think for my opinion,
that was never the case. Right, right, what do you
got to Did Biby get.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
Another Biby got a player, but I'm not sure he's
the best player in the world. His ex high school phenom,
Mikey Williams, leaves University of Central Florida for Sacramento State.
He was involved in some shooting in twenty twenty three
when he was at Memphis. Charges were dropped or reduced,
pled guilty, sentenced to a year of probation. But anyway,

(11:08):
he's on his way to Sacramento State. Six foot three guard,
three point three million Instagram followers, was considered a five
star prospect in his high school career. Wow, but yeah,
maybe rehab himself a little bit. Trivian Shack's tutelage.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
I don't know if you saw this, but there was
a Kobe Bryant and GG Murro that was vandalized. Luca
Doncz stepped up and made like a five thousand dollars
donation to restore it.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
What was it down in downtown in La Downtown Los Angeles? Shocked?
Have you been downtown Staples? Is it near Staples? It
must be right by there.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, would think going into some football real quick or
not real quick, but going into football. In the UFL,
they have suspended the Panthers Sampson a cool after slapping
a fan postgame. Oh really, after your the thirty seven
or thirty two to twenty seven loss. It's amazing, It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
I don't know how you guys feel about this, but
you saw what Aunt did last week. I guess with
the his uh grabbing of the croutch. I think it
was he to a fan, the dude in Pittsburgh. He
he did one of those gestures too, and they find him.
I mean, you have to have a major restraint if
you're an athlete, because the dumb ass fans give him

(12:25):
so much grief, you know what I'm saying. I know
it's easy to just ignore because that's what they're They're
hoping that you engage with them, right, just so they
can laugh and put it on whatever to talk or whatever,
and it's almost impossible for you to say, shut the
hell up, you know what I'm saying and then not
do stupid stuff to get fined. And every.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Everything's on TV. Yeah, you knows anything. Any expression a
guy makes or you know, moving with his hands or
smiling or laughing.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
You watch Luca.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
I used to not like Luca that much when he
was on the Mavericks because they were they were always.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Going to pitching suns.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Oh, just the way he would laugh and then he
was still he still does the same thing with the Lakers,
and a lot of people rubs people the wrong way sometimes. Yeah, yeah,
you know, we'll see how long. Like what's his name, Edwards.
He's got a lot of personality and I'm sure half
the people love him and a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Sure, sure, well they love them if you're with them,
if you're with the te Wolves.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
George Kittle got extended to today with the forty nine
ers through the twenty twenty nine season. It's a deal
worth up just seventy seventy six point four million dollars,
which includes forty million guaranteed man to be an NFL player.
How much a game was that sent six seventy six
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(13:48):
two uh. Vikings paid Andrew van Ginkel with the one year,
twenty three million dollar extension.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Do not know my van Ginks from the money?

Speaker 4 (13:57):
You gotta get your fantasy football who were April here?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I just know the only guy I know there was
is the quarterback. Then you got McCarthy sor right JJ. Yeah,
that's only because he's going to combat for the Vikings.
I mean, I don't know anybody else. Last thing I
got before you got to go to break.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Boise State has finalized a new contract for their football
coach Spencer Danielson. After leading the Broncos to the College
Football Playoffs the twenty twenty nine season. He le averaged
just over or just about two point two million. Nice, Okay,
good for him. It's yeah people getting paid. Yeah, I'm
trying to.

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Speaker 5 (20:03):
Tva hi yah.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Are you doing back? I know? How are you doing?

Speaker 6 (20:08):
I'm doing all right?

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Great? Great? Are you at a track that I love?
Over there?

Speaker 5 (20:14):
No, I'm not there today. Santa Anita is not running today.
Will possibly be up there on Sunday, we.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Shall see mm hmm, okay, cool. But you you know
a lot of the horses going into the event on Saturday,
We've talked to a lot recently, you know, because I've
been following journalism of course, and as one of my
guests said last week, journalism finally pays.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
Yeah, he's paying. And he's currently your Kentucky Derby favorite
at about three to one, and I suspect he's going
to go off a little lower than that. But no,
these are horses that I've gotten a chance to see
both running California, not just for prep races, both for
the boys and the girls, for the Oaks and the Derby.
But some of these horses I thought run as two
year olds when they came out to Delmar for the
Briefs Cup Championships.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yes, yes, in fact, a Citizen Bulls, one of those.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
Missition Bull is one of those your two year old
champion and he's currently thirty to one.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah that makes no sense to me, good bet, Yeah, no,
you never know.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
He's Bafford, right, he is about he is one of
two Bafford horses in the field. He did draw the
one hole, so I'm not super thrilled about that, but
Bob Bafford basically said Martin Garcia has got one option
and he's going to have to run out of there
like his hair's on fire because he's got no other option.
His his one, his one big element to a race

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is he is speed, and so he will be one
of about six what we call rabbits in the race
where they will be gun into the front and probably
setting some very fast fractions.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Right, he's one and the other one is a familiar name.
I don't think it has any connections to coach Rodriguez,
but his name is Rodriguez.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
Yes, the four Rodriguez a lot of the same ownership connections,
both owned by SF Racing and Starlight Racing.

Speaker 6 (21:59):
So kind of that the ownerships, they have two chances in.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
The race along with Bob Affort. That seeing his first
derby back in about three years, Rodriguez made a pretty
big statement in the Wood Memorial.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
A couple of weeks back, stepping up to a mile.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
And eighth and again his cruising to beat is out front.
So I mean you have both Baffort horses looking.

Speaker 6 (22:15):
To go out front.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
There's a couple other horses that are also looking to
probably gun it right out of the gate. But I
mean Rodriguez gets Mike Smith aboard, and Mike Smith as
repeatedly says that this horse is deast distance will be
at a classic distance of about a mile and a quarter.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, so great. I mean, this is a mile on
the sixteenth, what is it? I should know?

Speaker 5 (22:32):
This Derby is a mile and a quarter. Freakness is
a mile and three sixteenth, and the Belmont this year
will be a mile and a quarter and then we.

Speaker 6 (22:39):
Should be back to a mile and a half the
next couple of year.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Right, Yeah, I misspoken. I knew that. I knew that. Okay,
so we've talked about someone. We'll go back to journalism
in a little bit. But and you know, I like
that horse a lot. There's sovereignty, there's there's publisher. If
you're you know, into into journalism and publisher in the
same line, whatever, tell me about those two.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
So journalism he is. There's a reason this horse is
the top top of the list. He is what people
have been calling poetry in motion. As a rider, you
look for a horse that you just have to kind
of sit there and you feel like you're floating on
a on a cloud, or you're just on a giant
rocking horse and you watch Alan Bert to riskily, his
jockey rides him and he just kind of sits there

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and journalism does it all, and he's just it's a
very fluid motion. He's very connected, and he's only getting
better with distance, and so everyone has to imagine that
a mile and a quarter is only going to be
better for him. As he continued to pass horses in
sant Anita Derby.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
Going a mile and a eight.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
And he had some experience with a longer stretch at
Lost Alamados when he won the Grade to Lost Alamados Futurity.
That stretch is a very long stretch. Obviously, that setup
is very different than Churchill. He was schooling in the
paddock today. My understanding is he's handled it all very well.
He came out of his work on Sunday in great shape.
Wasn't a super hard hard work, but again it was

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just it was very easy and he was very calm
and collected and just acting very very professional.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Did I hear there could be some weather issues, some
rain problems.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
There is some weather potentially coming in. It looks like
Friday will probably have the most amount of weather, and
then Saturday is supposed to be okay, but depending on
how much rain does hit the track on Friday will
affect track conditions. So looking for a horse that's not
offended by some mud or maybe a sloppier track or

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a field track is pretty key. Journalism has not been
tried on anything other than a fast track, so that's
kind of the only question mark with him as if
he would take However, he is by Curlin, that's a
Hall of Famer horse, a Horse of the Year, So
I mean he's got he's bred to do this. This
is what he's bred to do, is to go.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
This mile in a quarterer.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
So I got up this morning and listen to the
Efendl pre you know today's Today's Breakfast show. Yeah, the
Breakfast Show with the with the three year of black
and who the other two which they talked to highly
of obviously Journalism and some of the others. But who's
the girl that I thought was very impressive at this

(25:16):
the the I think she's Asian?

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Oh Andy bean Comb.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, she loved the way he looked today, Uh and
just feels today on a Tuesday, you know that could
be different on a Saturday.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
Yeah, I mean, and he's got a real eye for horses.
But like I said, everyone is talking about this horse,
and there's a reason he's the favorite. I felt last
year's favorite was very I thought he was pretty solid
as early on. He ran second by and knows we've
had the Derby Choice run second two years in a row,
so we're hoping to get the winner this year. But
I do feel like Journalism is probably the best bet

(25:50):
for it, just given the way he's been running, how
professionally he's done everything. And in his last race, he
had a lot of adversity. In that race, he literally
got pinned in against the he had to work his
way around. He did get bobbled up a little bit,
and he only exploded coming through the turn and was
only hitting his best stride as he crossed the wire.
So I mean, if he's hitting his best ride as

(26:10):
he's crossing the wire at Santa Anita, he's got almost
a furlong and a half to two furlongs in front
of him still when he gets to Churchill, so he
should only be hitting his best dride by the time
he hits milm and eight.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
So let me ask you, So Dave brought up the weather.
I don't know this because it's hard to find mudders
in races, So tell me, is that legit? I mean,
if they've never run in mud, how do you know
they are mudder or not because you just have a
run in it.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
So a lot of that could be related to pedigree.
There are certain sires that are known for having mud horses,
that are known for having horses that.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
Love the mud.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
Arrogate is one of those. You've the Gray loved the
mud on Preakness Day last year. Spicetown is another. Is
another sire that his folds for whatever reason, seemed to
run really well on the mud. So some of it
there is a pedigree related No curling seemed to do
okay on it. I think a lot of it is
depending on how their trip goes, how much kickback they
might get.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I mean, some.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Horses just don't like getting hit in the face of mud,
which is completely understandable. It's not a fun experience. But
there's just there's that certain aspect of breeding that does
come into play. But like I said, I think the
track will could very well be wet on Saturday, could
be a little heavy. I don't think it's going to
be nice sloppy because they're going to by the time

(27:30):
the jerby comes around at about almost four o'clock, it
should be pretty well dried out and worked through from
the track crew.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
So I was watching today, Like I said, I saw
the show. Then what's a couple of the first three races?
Try to build up my bank in the third race,
I think the favorite one. I eight the five and
I had that. So the track is said to be
going fast or you know speed.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Yeah, a fast track is typically speed on the front
end is playing well, but fast tracks can also be
pretty fair. If the way that they're harrowed or graded
or how deep they are, closers can still come. They
show up, they will run well. And we have quite
a few closers in the derby this year between Sandman
and Sovereignty and Chunk of Gold, and there's a couple

(28:17):
others in there that are definitely will be in the
second and third flight of horses that shouldn't have a
problem closing at the track is rated fast by the
time the derby rolls around, David.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Think no, I was just going to say it's again.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
We always have the u of a contingent to watch
for with Pletcher there and Baffort as well. They both
have what two horses each, So that's I believe.

Speaker 6 (28:40):
Pletcher only has the one, which would be Grande, the
number ten horse for the Rapoli team.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
He last ran second in the Wood Memorial behind Rodriguez,
and then Baffort has the one in the FOURG and
Citizen Bowl and Rodriguez.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
What okay, So Journalism is the favorite. If I were
to go lay some money down, who would you who
would you suggest maybe I look at to be, you know,
the upset winner or something like that.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
The second choice or the next horse that I would
end up looking at would be the eighteen sovereignty For
Bill Mott, this horse is getting his preferred rider, Junior
Alvarado back aboard. He ran second in the Florida Derby.
He ran a monster race in the Fountain of Youth
at Goldstream. Again, a horse that's going to be hitting
his best stride as they turned for home. He needs

(29:29):
that long stretch, he needs more distance to be able
to get to his best stride, and that mile of
the quarter is really going to offer it again. He's
into mischief, and these into mischief horses, they are just
incredible this year they have been performing at a super
high performance rate. I mean, Citizen Bowl is also an
into mischief and obviously we saw what he did as

(29:51):
a two year old, so a lot to be said.
His numbers are. He did regress a little bit in
the Florida Derby, but there could be some excuse is
made for him there if we were looking for them.

Speaker 6 (30:02):
But he's definitely a horse is only going to improve with.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
What horse eighteen sovereignty o soeverigine. Okay, So I was
just going to say that, what about you haven't mentioned
although I mentioned him earlier.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Publisher Publishers are really interesting.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
Horse draws the thirteen hole.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
He actually draws just inside of his uh barn mate
Histastic and his Tastic won the Louisiana Derby and Publisher
ran second in the Arkansas Derby. Now, I feel like
the Arkansas form this year has held up a little
bit better than the Louisiana form. I don't think the
Louisiana Fairgrounds trail to the Derby was nearly as difficult

(30:37):
as the Arkansas form. We saw baffordship out several horses
to Arkansas throughout the Derby trail, and so I feel
like those horses have had a much higher level of
competition coming in today and they're seeing a lot of
each other again if they've gone through Arkansas. So Publisher
is interesting because he's still considered a maiden.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
He has not won a race.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
He's had seven starts, but he has not won a
race this year alone. He's had three starts and he's
run second and that sec that last second came in
the Arkansas Derby.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
But he's been improving.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
His numbers have been improving. Where he's finishing has been improving.
He gets Irad Ortis, and Irad is known for having
a very aggressive ride, and this is a horse that
they have said maybe needs a little bit more of
an aggressive ride when in the afternoons watching his last work,
he was very aggressive in the morning. They've added the
blinkers now in the afternoons and the mornings, and that's

(31:29):
helped wake him.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Up a little bit.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
It's helped make him more focused and just more concentrated
on what his job is, and so he's a little
bit more amped. But this is a horse again that's
probably going to be in the second or third flight
of horses are kind of that in between because I
think we're going to have a huge stretch out of
who's in front versus who's come and wave behind, just
because of the speed that's in this race.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
So let me ask you, so we know the Journalism
is a favorite, who's the second favorite. I haven't really
looked at the odds yet because it's only Tuesday.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
It should be Sober at five to one, and then
your third choice should be Stanman. That's seventeen at sixty one.
Tool Sandman is your Arkansas Derby winner.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Oh so you're looking at the possibility of a nice
ticket even if the first two favorites come in.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Yeah, so Sovereignty and Journalism if you want to box
them or flip flop them, or however you want to
bet it. I mean Journalism I think goes down to
about five to two, and I think Sovereignty holds between.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
Five to one and six to one. I think those
are very.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
Realistic odds form based on his last two performances. Standman.
If you want to go out to a third choice,
I mean, there's nothing wrong with the numbers on paper,
but if you go back and watch his races, he
just seems to find trouble each time he comes out.
He just seems to be green, and there's always something
news that they're trying to work forward. In the Arkansas Derby,

(32:49):
he got a great trip and as he's coming down
the lane, he jumped the tractor marks that were on
the track and just started to float all the way around.
They were saying he was scared of the whip, but
he was just kind of floating everywhere, which is what
a very green horse should do. Now he's had eight starts.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
In his life and he's had three wins.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
A horse like that should not be as green as
he should be coming into the Derby. Now, his trainer,
Mark Cathie thinks he's worked through it. He's got Jose
Ortiz a board, the brother to Irad Ortiz Junior, and so.

Speaker 6 (33:17):
I mean it could be fine, Like.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
He could absolutely run a monster race as well. He's
another deep closer, So she'll be in that third group
in the way back with sovereignty at eighteen, hoping for
a pace breakdown where he's able to close and start
to make a big five for long move a little
bit more than a half a mile. For people that
don't know what purlongs are, one for long is equal
to an eighth of a mile, and four forur Longs
is equal to a half, so five eighths of a mile.

(33:41):
They're going to make this big move coming around the
turn and run for home, and the biggest thing is
going to be who's in their way and can they
get the outside of horses?

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Dave, you have something I was just gonna say, journalism
is a three to one. I was reading where the
morning line favorite has not won this that since twenty
eighteen years.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, there is second the last couple years a while.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
Yes, it has.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Been a while since we have seen a favorite when
the derby and mean going. And what I think is
more crucial to look at is ever since rich Strike
You're twenty twenty wonder twenty two?

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, I was in last year?

Speaker 5 (34:21):
Was mystic Dan?

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah? Was so let me to give you the did
you give you the rich Riches? The richest son was
it Riches? Rich Strike? So I was in Gulf Stream
with a bunch of relatives. We flew out to Miami
to watch it at Gulf Stream and agree with you know,
a nice table blah blah blah. So my aunt, my
aunt has a son in law named rich So she said, oh,
that's cute. Okay, So she put five bucks on it.

(34:43):
It was an eighty two to one long shot and
it paid her five hundred and some dollars because it
was a longish shot on the board for five bucks. Yeah,
I mean, if you like, if you like a name,
put that five bucks on it.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Well, it could be a name, it could be a
celebrity connection. Flying Mohawk, who's in the Derby this year,
is owned by Jason Wirz, who owned door Knock last year.
Doorknock then went on to win the Grade one Belmont
and Grade one Halsel. So Jason Worth is back and
he's been a huge supporter of the sport and horse
racing and trying to get people involved in it. And
then the other one, the fifteen render judgment is this

(35:18):
horse originally wasn't going to run in the derby and
the ownership outloaded the trainer and said no, we're going
to run in the derby. And the story behind it
is is this was actually Toby Keiths last horse that
he was a part of breeding and owning before he
passed away. And so the idea is is this is
Toby's Derby.

Speaker 6 (35:33):
That they're going to run with this horse.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
So There are so many different stories and connections the
horses that you could follow, whether it's job related, color related, celebrity. However,
if you have a lucky number, you have one through
twenty to pick from, so there's definitely a lot of
angles to choose.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
This might be a dumb question, but doesn't Belichick cavil
Hort didn't? Is Het kind of in this business too?

Speaker 11 (35:54):
Or no?

Speaker 5 (35:56):
He's been working on and off with Micropoli, Todd Pletcher team.
I don't know if he's officially bought into horses yet.
I do you know he wasn't golf stream at one
point this winner looking at horses. So I mean Tom
Brady's own horses, uh with micro Polly and Travis Kelsey's
owned horses. So there's the world of sports is all

(36:16):
connected to horse racing, right though.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
The reason I asked is maybe you should name a
horse relationship issues?

Speaker 5 (36:22):
Did I did see that interview?

Speaker 6 (36:26):
I don't want to talk about that. We're not finding
me about that.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
How many times if you see a guy who has
the that pedigree of being a coach being told twenty
four he's not talking about that, yeah, talking about you're
not talking.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
About that, But you see mad about it, but he
just moved on.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Right right, Well, I did bum Phillips and I saw
him at the Breaders when I was out there with
you guys. Uh, he's a horse owner, guy who bum phillips.
Bum phillips. The old football coaches, the old football coach. Yeah,
he's the USFL too. No, no Phillip, what I say,
bump Yeah yeah yeah Wade Field? So sorry, yeah, So

(37:01):
what about the Bafford return? Right, this is his return to.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
Conentucku, his return ever since his suspension due to the
Medina's spirit testing positive. He seems pretty happy to be
out at Churchill Downs. He has I think between ten
and fifteen horses out there that are going to run
this week alone, not this Friday and Saturday. He's got
ten months. Who's in the oaks as well? She kind
of swept the whole division out here in California for

(37:27):
the girls. She's definitely not the favorite in there. She's
not my top selection, but the lift in his suspension
has definitely led him to bring a.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
Whole flue horses.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
If you might recall the name Nisos, who was originally
the Kentucky Derby favorite last year in about February to March.
Unfortunately he was sidelined with an issue. He's making his
return on Saturday in the I believe it's the Grade
two Churchill Down Stakes, and that's the loaded field. Like
that is a huge statement for Bob Bafford to come
back and put a horse like that, of that caliber,

(38:00):
that was supposed to be a Derby horse into a
stakes race on Derby Day.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah. In fact, the our local I'm gonna ask you
for your choice in a second here, but our guys
white Man and Watson have a couple of horses in
here on Saturday.

Speaker 6 (38:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
Well, they are sending Gaming in the Pat Day Mile.
That should be really fun. Gaming ran second in the Juvenile.
He unfortunately had a couple of troubled trips and then
they sent him back to Arkansas. He got a clean trip,
he ran second. Hopefully that was a confidence booster, and
so they're going to now send him in the Pat
Day Mile, which is a Grade two I believe, on
Derby Day.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
So that should also be very exciting.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
So, like I said, Bob Bafford is very well represented
not just in the Derby but the entire week leading
up to it.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah. Okay, So finally, what do you have? What do
you have?

Speaker 5 (38:46):
I'm sticking with journalism. I mean, like it's just it's
too appropriate, not too he drew a perfect post. I've
gotten to watch him. He's just he's an incredible horse.

Speaker 6 (38:54):
He's just us poetry, emotion.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
And I really hope the Riskily and Michael McCarthy's this
is their best shot. They had endlessly last year. Unfortunately
that didn't go quite as they had hoped. But this,
this horse is fantastic, and he's got just a heart
of a lion, hearted a champion, and he's obvious. He's
just the way you watch him run after the sant
Anita Derby like he knew he knew it was game time.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, okay, D, thanks a bunch. Be well, see you soon.
Thanks guys, Right, take care. I was D my former
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Speaker 2 (43:16):
Hey, welcome back to Win the Ball here on Fox
Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Riverta. You or Dave Silver.
We got one of controls. We got about ten minutes,
maybe nine minutes one seven seven of fifty two fifty three.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Okay, what time to go lay some bets on the Yeah,
Kentucky's two early right now, but you could do that.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I mean if I were you do it on your phone,
you can, but it's too early. Still start trying this
because it's just haven't set it up. You know, you
could do it on other other other races, but not
on that one. So you know when it comes time.
Many if you're on Fandle the one she's on. Uh,
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Oh it's a ten dollars free bet, all right. So
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more money. Welcome back, Yeah yeah, we'll come back. I
get some other stuff. You get twenty five dollars free. Yeah.
When's the NFL season start? Right? Right? Right? Right? So

(44:18):
one I like journalism a lot, so do you? And
maybe it'll pay hopefully. Yeah, right, that's the goal. Yeah,
anybody want to call. We have about seven minutes maybe
five to zero, four, one, six, seventy four forty Jim,
if you want to call, I got your message. Like
we talked about that, that's not a big deal. Uh,
in today's basketball world, what's going on? Wether then that

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Pima Pema baseball is doing really well. Softball is doing
really well. Maybe want to come back next week, have
them on the show again, because they're doing really well.
People used to be an afrothat Dave. Now it's not
so much. Well they're having such great success.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
I mean, look what both those basketball teams did this
or how fun they were to kind of follow that,
you know, in the years past, you know, if they
weren't good, there wasn't a whole lot of buzz. But
since they were so good and yeah, you wanted to
keep track right right? Isn't that how that usually goes?

Speaker 8 (45:12):
Though?

Speaker 2 (45:12):
You win, baby win, just keep yeah, good looking, you're popular.
Free drinks, free drinks, right right right till you're not
that way. The world's good. I mean, it's good to
see PEMA, especially.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
You know, there's so many local players, so many most
rushed the teams, especially with baseball and softball or like
you know, seventy five percent or from Tucson. So it's
given them a good chance to play and continue to play. Yeah,
and you know, maybe they'll play at the Division one
level after you know, having success at here.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah. Yeah, and that happens every now and again. I
mean they're getting recruited just not to hear, and they're
going to the schools an the IA Division two, Division one.
Yeah in some cases.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Well, I know when we were talking to Rebecca Kiros,
their coach, a couple of weeks ago, and she was
just saying, well, that's the selling point is you know
you can play here in front of your family and
friends still and get an education and still set yourself
up for a chance to maybe go D one somewhere, right,
Because those are the teams here in Arizona especially are
hotbeds for women's soft off Sure.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Sure, Oh, let me have some kind of breaking news
in a sense. So that nickname that I said for
the soccer team that was in the previous life of
the f C two when they were pros. So Johnny
says that we don't have one yet. We have toyed
with the Desert Foxes and the Habilinas.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Oh, I could get a behind a team called the Hailinas,
the f C two son Habilinas. I feel like it's original.
It's uh home to Tucson.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
What do you make a little what do you call
the food Gironas? Yeah, I think from Hallolleena. I don't know.
I've never happened that. Yeah, I've heard people. I put
pictures of Helena and they said, oh, Nash, I never
eat that. Okay tough meat now yeah, yeah, okay, uh, yes,

(47:11):
Well have Alena's Foxes. But I guess the the other
name I said that, I want to see it again
because it used to be associated with the son maybe
the pro teams back in the.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Day we did have the Tucson have Alena's baseball team
in the airs in a fall league.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yes, back in the day. The only reason I.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Can remember that is that k GUN sponsored the game
where Michael Jordan came to.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Tucson and played.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Oh yeah, and so I was given the chance to
interview who was a coach.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Remember francon Gry Francona. I didn't remember that until I
saw it on the thirty for thirty thing. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
So yeah, he played for Francona Birmingham and then then
he played for him here.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
But we had a chance.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
It was one of the you know, people ask me, well,
what was some of the better interviews and most exciting,
So we had a chance to. I had a chance
to go up there and interview Jordan, just me and
it was baseball and he did it. Yeah, it was
in a spring shot. It was it a airs in
a fall league game. In Scott's day, this had to
be like ninety sixish before that, even thirty four.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Play playing baseball.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
So they had already won the ninety three finals, so
maybe in ninety four, ninety five, yeah, six in basketball.
So that was the Tucson Avelina's I kind of remember
the rest in Peace.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, well, now they have the Tucson Suarrows. I think
it is they're still around. Yeah, I think so, because yeah,
it's the peckless league baseball thing. Yeah, I mean that
didn't last long they were.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
I mean it was kind of a shame because again
it was similar to what we faced with with spring training,
where teams just didn't want to come down here. You know,
in the middle of winter. There wasn't a great crowd necessarily.
But you know, I think if you look at the
rosters and some of the players had come through there,
there's tons of major leaguers.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Sure, sure, you just don't know it until you know.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Derek Jeter, I'm pretty sure played in the airs in
a fall league.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, I think they're trying to do
something with that too locally eventually maybe could be good. Yeah,
behind the scenes, we're trying to get some stuff going
on here. Yeah, of course from the south of the board,
right when I'm all that, possibly, yeah, yeah, all that
all that. So what do you think how much that
we have about three minutes? Okay, why Tuson doesn't succeed?

(49:09):
Is it come with a lot of pro teams in
your time, they did even in the seventies, Uh, pro volleyball,
pro this pro that it's just it's big enough.

Speaker 18 (49:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
We've always been in the shadow of Phoenix. That's always
We've always kind of been known as a minor league
city when it comes to sports, and you know, fans
here just they're coming from all over the place. They
don't have strong allegiances necessarily. The U of A has
a hard enough time getting people to come to football games.
Basketball doesn't have too much. But I think there's just

(49:39):
never been you know, especially in the summer. The summer
is a hard cell. Let's be honest. Yeah, sit out
there and sure in August and July. Sure, sure, No,
the one we gotta call. Okay, call hello.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
You're on the air and I on the ball. Who's this? Hello? Hello?
Who's this? I see it?

Speaker 18 (50:00):
It's yeah, Hey, Jim, Hey, I was just wondering if
I could get some takes, including yours on LeBell and
James as a basketball player, be his impact on sports,
see the impact on the culture.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Wow, that's a big pan we have. The thing is, Jim,
now we only have a minute, minute and a half,
minute and a half. That's way too much. Do me
a favorite comedy on Monday, and we'll talk about this
because God, I don't even know where to start. I
don't even know what to storry. He's been paying in
the league for twenty two years now, he's the forty Yeah,
twenty two years. God, he's had an impact on the
this generation. Did Jim send me a question because I

(50:46):
have to do some research? I never do research. I did? Okay, yeah, yeah, no,
I got your text and then now it makes it
more clear. We'll talk again next Monday. Is that cool?
That's fine? Okay, thank you man.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Just real quick to finish up on the have Alina's
They played two years, just two seasons. Bob Didier was
the manager of the first year, whos been a manager
of Tucson Toros, I believe, and then Davey Lopes was
their manager of the second year. And then that was
it ninety two and ninety three. So the organ interview
was had to have been in ninety three, in the
fall of ninety three, after they've won the championship.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
He no longer played.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
Yeah, after the finals in May and Phoenix. Yeah, and
so this was right after that.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah, okay, gotta go, Yes, last last thing I got
to finish up to chat. Oh yeah, uh well, typically
was certainly possible to make from have havelena me. They
are typically made from pork skin or pork belly, which
is a richer which is richer in fat.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Sure, sure, but who knows in Tucson. Yeah, you just
don't talk about it. Yep. Yeah, Okay, thanks a bunch, everybody,
See you on Monday. Have a good few days.