Tuesday, July 22, Hour 1

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is I on the Ball with Steve Rovera on
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to Eye on the Ball
here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. Dave, did you even
go home and shower? You were here yesterday?

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I did? I'm just differently come out. Yeah, look sure
I did.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Went home, you know, got some rest, look at the
computer a little bit, watch some TV, watch some baseball.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
That you came up and be continued, You must be
you must be retired. That's what retire people do.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
It's great. And then then you dragged me into here
to do this on July afternoon when there's not much
going on.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Draid you willingly you were like a kidnapped victim who
wanted to come come on back and talk. We got
one who's not Ray, not Ray right called him one night,
he called, what what onough?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Fun?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, don't be talking like that with an accident. Who
knows will be short open the door for you? Sorry?
He would you, like I said, your coffee always that's strange.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
What does that have to do with anything?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'll tell you off the Ara, do right by you. Okay, Hey,
well everybody, Tuesday, I think you have a pretty good
show compared to yesterday's. We have a damn good show.
We have Bob Oscus. I know probably ninety nine percent
of you don't know who he is, but he's the
former SI D at Stanford. Longtime friend. He's retired now.

(01:33):
He went from there to north Bridge, right, correct, Dave,
you've you've known him for a long time at your
various stops.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yes. Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I will talk to him about that. But the reason
I wanted to have him on is, you know, here
we are in the summer, I get it ready for football.
But I wanted to talk to him real quick about
the good old days Arizona versus Stanford, when lut played
against Mike Montgomery and the Lichts and the the Keys

(02:00):
and the uh and the Robinson's and those guys. Uh,
you know, the great rivalries and and and I wanted
to talk to him about Duke a little surprising conversation.
So we'll go there with him in the first hour,
and then in the second hour a guy you probably know, right,
Chris Rafstadder. Yeah, uh, the official Officials commissioner kind of guy.

(02:23):
He's the main guy for the officials, So go ahead
and boo him. Now, well he's well, he's not on
the air, we'll talk to him. What he's He's been
really busy this summer getting ready for the basketball season.
See what. We've had him on the show before, but
you know she was up to He's out there teaching
uh people how to become better refs basketball, referees basketball.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
It's interesting, you know, position. I don't really know that
much about it, you know. I mean I've been around
the sports, you know, for all these years, but I
never really understood how officials were assigned, how they were graded,
where they come from. So I got some questions just
to see how this even How do you even become
a you know, official who's going to work the Final four?

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, the qualities they have to pass, right, or the
things have to pass. Why, well would you want to
be one when they all do is yell at you.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Well, you're right in the middle of the action, you know,
from the opening the opening moments of the game. So
it's got I don't know, you've gotta be a different perspective.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
They get paid well, and they travel all over and
uh and for sixty minutes or forty minutes, I guess
would be. Yeah, listen, goes into overtime, you get harassed.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
To get yelled at and screamed at, and they're all
the ones causing the problems. But they're obviously a big
part of the sports. And you know, nowadays with replay
and all the coaches, you know, challenges and things like that,
that's going to be an interesting you know. Uh, the
area of the the of that job, it's changed quite.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
A bit, right, Yeah, no question, no question. So we'll
have those two on and we'll talk about a lot
of different things, trying to find some trying to find
like people we haven't talked to.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
One of the people that we talked to yesterday or
talked about yesterday was Joven Crane and Green, trying to
find him maybe have him come on. And you know
what's kind Erickson, I think I asked you that yesterday, right,
So those guys, so it's a big guys.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, Ericson went to my high school. I don't know
if he lives up there anymore, in the area in
San Jose and Coopertino, but he was he was lived
there then. I don't know where he is these days,
he might be Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah. Yeah, he had a fantastic career here. They thought
they overworked him right here because he pissed all the
time and went along.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
He had agreed. We had a pretty good uh major
League he was like you know that he was the
Friday night starter for the Wildcats. I can't remember what
his record was, but it was almost perfect. I mean
in one of his last seasons, I think he was,
you know, like thirteen and one or something like that
on Fridays. Maybe not that maybe not that many wins,
but it was a really good record.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
So that team was very, very good that didn't get
to the didn't get to the.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Series, No, but they were they were super good.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, super good. Yeah. We talked about him when we
were talking about you of a get into the Omaha.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
That was like the j T. Snow era with with
with Trevor Hoffman playing shortstop and not even pitching yet
Scott Ericson pitching right, So yeah, there were some really
good players.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
What's a third we were twenty six years ago? Six?
Does it seem like something like that? They asked you that, right,
because we had who do we have on was in
eighty nine. Oh, we had eighty nine, that's what I think, Yes,
eighty nine, and you got here in eighty three. I
got here two years in eighty seven.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
So take the mad day day, you know day when
we used to have you know, the game was on
the radio.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
It was about it. We only had three channels that
would have PBASH four now we used to.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
And then the sad thing about the local TV coverage
in those years and probably still continues, is that, you know,
we didn't stick around much for those games on we
get you know, we get three or four runs and
you know, forty five seconds worth highlights and we split.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
They still do because we were we were at one
and I and Ray uh we went to the FC
two Sun game and we saw somebody, I think it's
channel Channel War Tannel whatever was shoe camera man, get
the highlight, get the hell out of dodge.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, the thing is you only had like two and
a half minutes to work with.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, you know, and it's sports like baseball and and
soccer especially. You know, you could sit there and shoot,
you know, for hours and not really get anything. Soccer, right,
It was funny.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
I think I told you this story or maybe somebody
else the story. Back when the Toros were here, maybe
early nineties, we had a photographer. She was kind of
a colactic and kind of out there, most photographers are.
She called the station, called the newspaper, I get not
ten o'clock and he says, you know you got anything
for us, right, you know you got a good shot

(06:27):
for us? No, not really, this picture is not letting
them hit anything.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, he had hit one time. That happened with the Toros.
In our situation was we also came back to the
station and we're listening to it on the radio and
you know, no hitters brewing, like in the eighth inning.
So somebody went back, yeah, yeah, so it's like get
down the.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Street and as you were loading the equipment, they said.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I think we may have gotten I think it did
become a no hitter. But yeah, yeah, those are some
of the you know, stories that the audience never got
to see because, you know, they we'd show highlights and
we'd leave in the third or fourth inning and they
go on to win, you know, eleven to ten.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, in twelve or at deadline, deadline, we still don't
know what the final is. It's three to three in
the twelve because those games sometimes went long, especially in
the PC.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we have we you know, would
monitor them really just by radio years too. That's all
we had. But in that case, it weren't like now,
don't they stream a lot of the stuff. You can
sort of watch games. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, I guess I'm not time filled stream again. Yeah,
but if you're working, and yeah, it is your job,
you have to update the info, right, Okay, I know
we go back a lot. You and I'm back in
our business of former journalists doing what we do and
one looking for a job as a future journalist.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
I would say I one day now, all right for
oh yeah, yeah, I'm not at all the events or
most of the events more than we go to or
that I go to, Yeah, more than you go to.
I go to the same amount.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
I don't even get invited anymore. Well, because you're not,
you're not helping them. If you're helping, Well, what is
this I can talk about? Oh you could, you could. Yeah,
let me tell you. There's better ways of spending your time.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
That's true. Oh I don't want to go I don't
want to go watch some shows I'm watching in the
middle of the day right right. The only season starts too.
Did you get your email? We have a press conference
next week next Tuesday, Tuesday football press conference already the
immediate day press conference. I think that's just with the coach.
I'm not I didn't read it.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
It's with players players. It's a good amount spring. I
mean football practice starts starts right after that. I think
next day. Yes, there should be. I don't know beneficially. Unofficially.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, I'm supposed to have supposed to get an interview
with Brendan or a magazine story that I'm doing, and
I haven't heard back, So we'll see what happens. I
hope I have to do it there. But it is
what it is, Okay, so cool. We're gonna have Bob
Blascus in the first hour and then uh and then
Chris Rashat in the second hour. Anything else going on?
Rud No, And that's exciting.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Uh No, Nick Foles, you have a athletic you have
a sports Hall of Fames.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
You might just take all his uh breaking news stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
That's how good men.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
It's a.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Nick falls was right before I started watching any type
of sports, so I never got to I saw the
highlights after fourteen?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Who were you in twenty fourteen? That was on twenty fourteen,
two thousand? Where was I? I was with Fox two
thousand and one, ten. Yeah, his last season was eleven.
Oh that's why, because I was with Fox at the time. Yes,
so fourteen eleven? Did did you look NFL ready? Some
people say yes. I think Anthony might say yes, I

(09:39):
didn't see it because he kind of replaced the dude
that could come from Serahcues, I think, and he eventually
or Rutgers. I think he went to Rutgers and then
he came here and then he went to somewhere else.
So maybe I don't know, but everyone kind of dreams
about him and working with uh or playing with the
ground who never really never materialized, right because he about

(10:00):
the same time, right, Yeah, but that was the imagine
if these two would have been able to play together.
You know, there's always that what if in fact we
had were you not with us? Who was with me
last week? About the what ifs? Maybe it was maybe
it was I forget who the guests? The what ifs
with Kevin Kevin Thomas when we had his the what ifs?

(10:22):
You know, what if if Astley would have hit that
would not gotten.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
Hurt if if that was I think that was last Tuesday,
about a week ago.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
It was on Tuesday we're talking about that list. Were
you were you here that it was perman it was
Proman was here on a Friday, and on a Friday.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
I remember us talking about what if with Brandon Ashley.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, yeah, that was a good one. He was he
was hurt, like what maybe in January February, so that
was costly injury.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
There's so many and we talked about Steven Jackson, what
if he would have made this? Or Brandon Jennings and
and those guys.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Oh god, Brandon Jennings did he ever play? Not where here? No,
he ever couldn't get remember doing a story on it.
It couldn't get down A McHale interviewing him pre season.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
He had gotten it because he was in that summer league.
He came into that summer league. They got him in trouble.
I think it was it was he couldn't but he
couldn't get in academic. Stephen Jackson as well, there was
one I wanted to talk about that I can't remember
what it was now it might pup into my head,
but there's so many of them. I said, what if
Luke hadn't gotten Nill or later in his career, whatever,
what if they would have had to stop against Illinois,

(11:27):
just one stop, just once, just one stop, they would
have gotten to the final four.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
You know, that's the game we just don't like to
talk about. No or everyone thinks about it, and now
it's twenty years.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
The funny thing about it is if people have different
versions of what happened to that whole thing. What if
Jamal Horne hits that shot against Duke yep, oh, no,
against UCT I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, I was right behind him basically when he took
that shot, and yeah, it looked good. I mean from
where my angle, it looked like it was going in
just right there.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah. And what if Nick Johnson hits that shot against Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah it wasn't at that game, but definitely in fact
that that was the last year that I covered the
U of A was twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh when he missed that shot and Jamal missed that shot, yeah, yeah,
the trajectory of Sean would have changed a lot. And
that one and then the Wisconsin games.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
You don't think I mean, he was a great recruiter
but imagine, you know, how things would have gone if
he could have gotten to a couple of.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Funs oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and the players that.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
He could have gotten. Of course you're instantly drawn to that,
and that's something that Arizona just hasn't hadden right all
these years.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well, let me ask you, because it's been twenty eight years, right,
does it seem like twenty eight years?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
It does?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Since since they won, since they won it. Yeah, and
they in the twenty four years since they've been to
the four. I kind of harp on this, but does
it seem that long? It does to me.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
It's you know, especially the fun of the championship. But
there's so many things that are still in my etched
in my memory that it doesn't seem like it's that
long ago. But when you start looking at the calendy, go,
oh my gosh, it's been all these years.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, did you watch I watched it last night, just
for the first time, I guess in a long time.
The fight slam a Jama thirty on thirty.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I've seen it. It was fantastically done. I really didn't
remember about Anders and how he kind of had to
go find him he's the one that disappeared. He disappeared, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And a lot of things that happened when they lost
those three when he got to the final four three
straight years, and then they lost one and they beat
Louisville and then they had to play North Carolina State.
They might have partied the that night before, yeah, to

(13:30):
thinking that, oh we got this.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
It was a good team. I don't know if you remember.
Last year with the book festival that I'm involved with,
we interviewed Marin Fader, who wrote the book about Hakeem.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeh.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
And in fact, I was in a bookstore just recently
and I saw it right right up there still, so yeah,
it's out there.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well he was on the on the show, right, not
a whole lot, because didn't she say that she kind
of wrote it without him?

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yes, yeah, so I mean they got him. Maybe a
lot of the interviews on that thirty for thirty were
done in the past. I don't know if they were done. No,
they were difically for that show. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Remember they were for the show. The thing about it
that was it was done in twenty fourteen, fifteen, so
maybe times have changed. But Yeah. He was kind of
a curical, kind of hard to find.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, and now his son was playing in he was
playing in some of those games in Switzerland where Tommy's
teams were going. I was in Alaja one in one
of those games. It might have been Canada.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
He played poor Canada.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Does that make sense? I think I think that he was.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Unless it's a grand sign.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
You have, you might have to google him right there now.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
I know I remember thinking, like, wait a minute, that's
got how many you know, Elijah ones are going to
play basketball?

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Streamy Live on the iHeartRadio WIP. This is I on
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Speaker 2 (19:53):
Hey, welcome back to Y on the Ball here on
Fox Sports fourteen fifty from Steve Rivera, in with you
today's Dave Silver. Now the we have Bob Osquiz, former
SID at Stanford and so many other places. Bob, how
you doing.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
I'm doing great today, Steve, how are you?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
We're doing fine. Great to hear from you. Thanks for
joining us. Dave and I have known you for a
long time in your SID years. But Dave goes a
little further than me, right San Diego.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Well yeah, I mean we're both San Diego stayed a lums,
but I think you got out ahead of me. But
that's I know the tha.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
I graduated in seventy two days, so I'm really.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
An old foss.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
You're a long long time retired but enjoying the live
here in San Diego, my hometown.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
That's great. And then I know, if you remember this,
I was working in cal Paul, I was excuse me,
I was working at San Luis Obispo when you were
at Santa Barbara. So I think we knew each other then,
and then it continued when I got here with you
at Stanford. So I guess we've kind of crossed pass
for a long time.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, exactly. In fact, yeah, I was at Santa Barbara
from nineteen seventy seven to eighty three. And it is
a small world because the just Pasternak who used to
be at Arizona has now that been a long time
coach basketball coach at UC Santa Barbara and doing very well.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, yeah, no question. I wanted to talk to you
real quick, just for a variety of subjects. We're going
to talk about the good old Gays with Arizona and Stanford,
but I wanted to start with this. I'm sure you've
been to the Duke basketball games a time or two
or no, well, yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
I fat There was a point where we played at
the Ryans of Stamford basketball as one of the elites.
We played Duke a couple of times and we actually
had a two and oh season record against Duke. We
beat him at a tournament at Madison Square Garden, and
then we played him in Oakland on a last second

(21:49):
winning basket by Casey Jacobson. Scepski was a coach, and
so no Stamford has had during their heyday had great
success against Duke University, and those games are also remembered.
But I remember the great game against when Casey Jacobson
had that winning shot against Duke at a unividual game

(22:12):
in Oakland.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
So the reason I ask is because I went to
Duke last year, last season, the previous season for the
first time, when Arizona played them over there. Okay, I
said I had to experience this. I hadn't yet and
I went to, you know, just to get the feel right.
They have a nine ten thousand seed arena. Everyone loves
the enthusiasm for the students yet yet and I came away. Okay,

(22:34):
it's cool, but it's not Stanford. When Arizona played Stanford.
It's just not because those those students over their true
place were bunkers.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Oh they were. It was the sixth man club and
they did their homework. When a visiting team came in
they did their homework about some of the things about
the opposing players, and so it was amazing and how
creative work they were, and how they they waited the
night before intense to get into the best seats. And boy,

(23:06):
I'll tell you some of those students it. You know,
back then, Stamford basketball was bigger than Stanford football. In fact,
it was the toughest ticket in town the Bay area,
even with the forty nine Ers, the Giants, and the Raiders.
Stanford ticket particularly to watch the Stanford Arizona game or

(23:28):
a Stanford UCLA game. People spent a lot of money
to watch those teams play, particularly when Ludolsen brought those
great Arizona teams from Maple's Pavilion, Maple Pavilion, And that
was back then when they had that bounty floa over that.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, of course, how you can you forget There's a
couple of quick things. One was and you'll go back
to the stories. But one of the great memories that
I have it was right after Kennygate. And of course
those kids are smart as all hell, and you know what,
they're own scholarships forever. But one of them dressed as
a candy machine crazy.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
They were were the Stamford kids. So they're obviously bright,
they know what to do. They spend time doing things
and uh uh no, they had some creative costumes and
they were smart kids. Uh to do what they did,
and they were we were We were like the camera
and indoor stadium of the West. Everyone talked about Cameron

(24:27):
and on the East, but in the West. Uh, the
two toughest crowds were at Maple's pavilion and also at
McHale Center.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
What about Loots. I don't know if if if rivalries
or right were, but just the way he competed against
Mike Montgomery was kind of cool. Every year, I mean
Arizona Stanford there were two games that we kind of
looked forward to. But they had respect for each other too,
and they kind of came out of small towns, I
guess to rise to the highest levels.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Oh they did. There was because they were great coaches
and great and you know, we actually recruited against Arizona.
Hardly ever won a recruiting battle against Arizona, but we
recruited some great players. And I don't know if you
know this, but Stanford recruited Matt Mulbach, one of the
great players who's now I believe in an attorney in

(25:19):
the Tucson area, very successful, and I don't think a
lot of people know that Stanford heavily recruited. Remember Craig
McMillan's he was from nearby Cloverdale and one of the
top players in Arizona history. And for those who want
to know where Craig McMillan is now, I think he's

(25:40):
still the highly successful basketball coach at Santa Rosa Junior College.
But I do want to say we did win a
recruiting battle against Arizona and we were able to get
the Collins when Jaron and Jason Collins, and that really
put us on the map along with Brevin Knight. When

(26:03):
we got Jaron and Jason college and we out recruited
Arizona to get those two kids, that really put us
on the map. And that really put us on par
as one of the elites with Arizona, North Carolina and
Duke and that really made the program go. And we

(26:24):
were in shock when we heard the news that they
were coming to Stanford and we said, Wow, we actually
be Arizona in a recruiting battle, but wow, what a
great win. And that really put us on the map
and really put us on par with Arizona.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
It's when you bring that up, because I remember that
moment very well because when they decided to go to Stanford,
I had reached out to the family and talked to
the mom on the phone and I said, could you
just give me a quick quote and tell me why
are they're going to Stanford and not Arizona. And she said, Steve,
if you're a student and you don't have basketball in
all your life, where are you gonna go? Of course

(27:01):
you're going to get a job right out of school.
I said, thank you.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Well, yeah, for a four year. Four year degree from
Stamford really opened a lot of doors exactly for employees.
And and as Porscha Collins would say, the mother of
the chairman and Jason, you know, basketball is not forever,
but it opened a lot of doors. Another recruiting uh
that was in our favor is the Collins twins were Uh.

(27:26):
They greatly admired their grandmother who lived up the road
from Stamford. So that was also another key in getting
those kids to come there. And uh, and I'll admit
I think that the dad probably wanted them to go
to Arizona because of the connection between the Arizona players
and the next step be in the NBA. But Porscha
went out, Uh, you know, and that's not to say

(27:49):
Arizona they had They also have a great academic program,
and like I said, getting players like Craig McMillan and
Matt Mewbach and some other players who didn't go to Stanford,
it went to Arizona. So but yeah, back then a
degree from Stanford really really meant meant a lot to

(28:12):
getting players to go there.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
What are your thoughts about Stanford being you know, in
the ACC now not even in the same league.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
No, I'm so glad. I don't miss those stretches going
from West coast to East coast every other week. And
I tell friends, Uh, you know, the rivalries are gone.
You know, they don't play in football and basketball. Stanford
doesn't play Arizona, they don't play usc they don't play
U C. L A and basketball or football. The traditions

(28:45):
are gone. And you know, if I'm if I'm a
Stanford player, knowing that my son or daughter has to
get on a plane on a Wednesday, uh to go
play on the East Coast where it's not easy to
get to. It's not easy to get to Clemson or
Florida State or Duke or some of those schools in
the ACC. And then to be on the road and

(29:09):
that's all that class time, and then to catch a
red eye flag back on Sundays to get back home
and to be in school, and to miss so much school.
You know, I really don't buy that, But there really
was no place for Stanford or Cal to go to.
Everybody else had gone their separate ways, Arizona and Arizona

(29:29):
State for the Big twelve, and USC and UCLA to
the Big Ten. So it just I really miss those
days of the rivalries and it was easy for all
the fans to go from here to LA or to
Arizona or to Pullman, Seattle. Those days are long gone.

(29:51):
And so my interest in a lot of in college
sports is now wayne because of the situation we have
with college athletics today.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, no question, I wanted to go through some big games.
I might keep you for a second segment if that's okay,
what do you have to do right now?

Speaker 4 (30:06):
That's that's quite right, because I got some notes here,
and uh yeah, I got to share some great Arizona stories.
About the fact that uh uh, some of the great
games and nickale some of the great games, the Miracle
and Maples and.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
With Nick Robins, because I was just going to ask
you that because we all remember that half court shot
of Tiger Woods blah blah blah, So go ahead.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
And tell us, well, you know, in fact, I used
to see Nick Robinson who made that winning shot just
past the half half court, just inside half court. I
used to see Nick every year when he was an
assistant at b YU. They were in the same conference
as the University of San Diego in the w c C,
so I was I would seeing Nick every other year

(30:50):
when he used to see those two teams, and we.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Used to talk.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
That was the very first thing we talked about, is
that game and the fact that you know, uh Celine Stottlemeyer,
great player, had the ball with five seconds to play.
The ball was poked away by Matt Loddock. He passed
the ball to Nick Robinson. He made that shot. If

(31:14):
there was an ESPN Classic, I think if correct me
if I'm wrong, uh Arizona.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Was up.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Uh in the final twenty five seconds by six, and
Stanford came back. Josh Childress had hit a basket and
Nick Robinson made that shot. That so that is probably well,
that is the greatest shot, last second shot in the
history of Stanford basketball and it's long history, a great

(31:46):
tradition of basketball at Stanford. The miracle in Maples, Breton Musburger,
dick By Tal, Tiger.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Woods, and on the sidelines, on the sidelines too, Yeah,
exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
I believe would you believe me? There were there were
seventy four hundred people there. There were a lot more
people there. We snuck them in the back door. Thank
goodness the fire marshals weren't there or if they would
have shut down the place. But what a great moment
that was on February seventh, two.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Thousand and four.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
And every year somebody at Stanford brings up that game
and I remind Nick of that game and what a
great moment in Stanford basketball to be uh Arizona. And
at the time Stanford was the number two ranked team
in the nation. Arizona was number twelve. But to beat
Arizona with all those great future NBA players and the

(32:43):
great Lootles, and that was quite an accomplishment for Stanford to.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Do Yea Andreadala and don't score. We got a couple
of minutes they were going to bring him back.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
I was gonna say that was that was a great moment.
There were so many others. I mean even from the
U of A side, there was what the klid Reeves
driving coast to coast to win for five Naples. That
Michael Wright basket of the buzzer was it.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
It was the basketball, the little basket moving and the
cowd crowd going crazy.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, there were some games here, I mean there was.
It was every year. I mean just every year there
was like, oh my, here's another UFA Stanford highlight.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
Well, I was doing a list of some of the
great players that and I remember from Arizona and uh
and for some of the old timers, I just wanted
to give you some of the great players in Arizona
that I still remember thirty thirty front from thirty thirty
five years ago, that in the nineties. Uh And and
let me releave some of those names and then maybe

(33:37):
we can talk about it.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
I'll give you one night. Don Elliott go eighty nine,
eighty nine, and then Todd Mink.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, well you remember the last two cuts from the
nineteen eighty eight Olympic team where Todd Lickty from Stanford
Sean Elliott from Arizona. And that was the year that
we all said him. I said, wow, you know, you're
losing two great players who would have given the US

(34:04):
Olympic team some three point shootings, some added athleticism, two
good friends, two great players. And as it turned out,
they missed those players because in nineteen eighty eight, the
US Olympic team did not win the gold medal first
time in history. They only won the bronze. And certainly
they could have used Sean Elliott and they could have

(34:28):
used Todd Lichty, the two final cuts on the US
Olympic team. And till this day, it's still a sore
spot for a lot of stamp for people who say, well,
those two guys could have helped them help the Americans
win the gold medal. We didn't. We won the bronze.
And things changed right after that in selecting Olympic team.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
So hold on, we're going to go to break real
quick for three, four minutes, five minutes, whatever, and then
go and then come back with your list of things
to talk about.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Oh the sounds great.

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Speaker 2 (39:08):
Hey, welcome back to my I on the Ball hereld
Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve Rivera. You're Dave Silver
from the Home Stills bibvscis former SID Stanford with some
great stories, so so many good games, so many great people.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
So go ahead.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Well, when I think about some of the old Arizona players,
and all the old Arizona fans who are listening will
remember some of these names, because I still remember them.
And I'll tell you about some Stanford players, and maybe
some of the Arizona people will remember. But back then,
this is thirty five years ago, and I think people
will remember these Arizona players, and I wrote them down

(39:43):
this afternoon, and just think about how great they were,
how they made Arizona. Sean Elliott, Jason Gardner, Khalid Reeves,
Kenny Lockton, Scottameier's Damon and Selim, Michael Dickerson, Channing Fry,
Chris Mill, Sean Rooks, Michael Wright, Jason Terry, Gilbert Arenas,

(40:05):
Lauren Woods, Michael Bibbie, Reggie Gary Hassan Adams, Lauren Woods,
Joseph Blair, and Andre Igludala. I mean, Ludolson and his staff,
his great assistants put together some great teams. And I
remember when when Arizona would come to Maples, when they

(40:28):
showed up, we used to go like, wow, look at Arizona,
big strong athletic. They had a swagger to them, a
confidence about them, and we would go like, wow, those
those are NBA guys, and to match up with that
team and all those great players with something that Stamford

(40:49):
had to really do. And we actually did that when
Stamford was at its heights. You see, we were able
to match Arizona in terms of size, strength, athletics and
van defense. And you know Casey Jacobson, Josh Childriss, the
Collins Twins, Mark Mattson, Brevin Knight, Tim Young, Adam Keith,

(41:13):
the Lopez Twins, Brooks and so you put those two
teams together and what do you have?

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Great games?

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Classic games people that still remember today. And I wish
that some of the younger Arizona fans would go back
into the record book and look and see what the
Loodleson and Mike Montgomery put together as great basketball schools
that were definitely elite schools in terms of NCAA high rankings.

(41:45):
Along with Duke North Carolina also include Arizona and Stanford.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
You know, you think about, you know, what UCLA did
in the generation before and how Arizona and Stanford kind
of just took over for I don't know, twenty years.
Basically it seemed like we're you know, one of those
teams was going to win the championship or you know,
as you mentioned, all these guys were on their way
to the NBA eventually, So I get credit to those
coaches and those programs were just kind of keeping it going.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Well, I'll give you another year, absolutely, I'll give you
another yo. In ninety eight, Bob, ninety eight, when Arizona
was supposed to go go back to back, it was
Stanford that went to the final four.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Yeah, that was That was nineteen seventies, nineteen ninety seven,
nineteen eighty eight season where Stanford, actually we had a
great team. I think the year before correct me if
I'm wrong. The year before I think Arizona won the
championship was Miles Simon. And then the following year Stanford
we played Kentucky in the semi finals, which me was

(42:45):
the real championship game. Kentucky was a great team, We
were a great team. We actually went into that game hurt. Peter,
the late Peter Sour severely sprained his ankle and he
still played in the semi final game in San Antonio,
But if he had been healthy, I think we would
have beaten Kentucky. We were up by seven in the

(43:08):
second half. Kentucky came back to to win. They won
the game in overtime. Kentucky went on to win the
national championship. I think they beat Utah in the championship game,
and then the following year we had everybody back. We
were number one ranked in the preseason on the cover

(43:29):
of Sports Illustrated. But you know how preseason rankings are,
they don't mean the Hill of Beans, and we didn't.
We didn't fulfill our dreams. But still the fact that
we went to the Final four was probably the culminations
of some of the great Stanford teams that we could

(43:50):
have won the national championship. And still to this day,
Stephen Dave Stanford honors those teams. They honored the Final
four team on the twentieth anniversary and the twenty fifth anniversary.
So it was good to see all those players come back.
They still keep in contact with each other, a very
close team. Only one player has passed away, Peter Sower

(44:15):
unfortunately died of a heart attack.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
In his thirties.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
He was working in New York City, I think in
investment banking, and he passed away playing a pickup basketball game.
But everybody else is still around, highly successful, doing what
they do best, using their Stafford degree, and we still
talk about all those great teams, and people still remember

(44:41):
after all these years. Still people still remember those great teams.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
But you don't know this. I don't know if you
know this. I did a book on Loot a couple
of years ago. It came out a couple years ago,
and one of the chapters was Monty. So we talked
and he was great. Jammi says time and he says, Steve,
you probably don't know this, but I applied to be
one of Lut's assistants, he said, back at Long Beach.
And he did not know that, and he did not

(45:09):
get the job, obviously, but he said, I, you know,
growing up he had you followed Lut. And when Lut
had that job at Long Beach, he applied and he
was a finalist, but he didn't get the job. I
didn't know.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
I didn't know that. But it all worked out because
Mike eventually landed at Montana and I had great success
at Montana and then became the head coach at Stanford
in nineteen eighty six. And yeah, Mike was was a
point guard at Long Beach State back in the sixties,

(45:46):
and his claimed the same was, yeah, it was like
two points a game. And then he went into coaching
and that turned out to be a successful endeavor. But
you're right, they were two great friends. And I think
what really bonded those two coaches together outside from all
the recruiting battles they had against each other, they believed
in fundamental basketball, do the right things, be smart, make

(46:11):
the right plays, be prepared, work hard, read the scouting reports,
but be fundamentally sound. And when those two teams played,
you never saw a lot of mistakes fundamentally because those
guys are always in the right spot at the right time,
and they both offensively and defensively, and they appreciated the

(46:33):
game of basketball the way it should be played. Play
it hard, play it strong, work hard, be prepared. And
I think that's why they were such great friends, other
than the fact that all they coached against each other
on game day and also recruited against each other. But
it was it was two programs with fundamentally sound basketball.

(46:55):
And if you have those two if you have that trait,
you'll win a lot of basketball games. That exactly what
Stamford and Arizona did.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah, I mean, if you're a high school kid, high
school kid, you really can't go wrong by picking either
one of those schools if you really want to play basketball.
Interesting that he didn't go exactly, he didn't go to
Long Beach because Lou was only there one year, right,
so who knows how that was?

Speaker 4 (47:15):
He was to one year and uh, yeah, he pasted
one year, had a great year at Long Beach and
then he went to Arizona, Iowa. And uh, I still
has ties with Long Beach State and he still talks
about a lot of memories. But yeah, lout was there
one year, had a great year there, and then and

(47:36):
then left for Arizona. And uh, what a great decision
that lout Olsen made. And how long was Lou at Arizona?
Twenty years?

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Twenty five years? But he but Bob, he went to
Iowa after Long Beach State. Remember, Oh, that's why he
did go.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
He did go to Iowa.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, so that's why. And then well that's why he
had he was joked about Tarcani and leaving him a
mess at Long Beach State because he had gone to
Vegas and said, you know, I'm out of here.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Yeah. Well when when Tark was at uh, uh, Mike
had graduated when Tark came in and then that's when
Tark turned things around. Tark, I think we used to
be at Riverside City College and then came to Long
Beach State immediately turned around that program a Long Beach
with the Pond Dexter brothers UH and some other great
players that.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
He brought in.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
And boy that that they were. If you remember back then,
Long Beach probably had the second best team on the
West Coast behind U c l A. And never got
into the n C Double As because I think back
then it was it was it was a tournament. Were
now it was a small tournament and Long Beach uh

(48:46):
just couldn't get in because U c l A was
always standing in Long Beach's way. But the two top
Brogans back then, back in the seventies were U c
l A with John Wooden and uh Jerry Tark Canny
and that Long Beach State.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, well he had I think when Luke, I could
be wrong with this, but Luke took over. I think
Long we State was a favorite to win, even go
to the final four because he had so much talent
that Tark had left him, but he was promised they
wouldn't go on probation. Well, guess what they went on
provis of course.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yeah. But but Park, I've met Tarcaan a couple of
times and there was another coach. You know, Tark had
his issues, but there again, he was a great coach
fundamentals and play the game right, deep, tough and Uh.
Tark was a great basketball coach. And I said he
got his due because of.

Speaker 12 (49:40):
The great way.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
I think he's in the Hall of Fame and he
deserves to be there because he was also he was
a great recruiter, yes, but he was also a great
basketball coach wherever he wanted.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
The long beach for UNL day. One last question, because
we've got to go at the top of the hour.
I'm glad. I'm sure you're glad that you're no longer
in SID And I say this because the times have changed.
Ones are very rare. It's all podium stuff. Things have
just changed in that direction.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Yeah, exactly, I'm I'm so glad I'm not there. Social media,
you can't do anything, you can't say anything because it'll
it'll get out and uh and nowadays you know it's
one and done. The players leave because they get ni
L money. I think Stanford's suffering from that both in
football and basketball because of the portal U ni L.

(50:27):
Stamford's trying to rest with how to deal with that,
and you know, the transfer portal, it's tough. You know,
Stamford still has the idea that you get in because
of your academic standards. Uh and so uh it's been
tough for them to get players into school. And the
nil money. They've lost players because they've gone under other

(50:48):
schools where those players get good money. So no, I'm
you know, it's it's a business now. It didn't used
to be that way. It's all big money, and it's uh,
you know, it's out. It's four Power four conferences, and
I'm not sure down the road how long mid major
schools are going to last. Sandyga State, I'm a season

(51:11):
ticket holder a Santigo State in basketball went to the
Final four, a great team coming back, and we lost
a player to Arizona. I believe his name was Johnson. Johnson,
yeah exactly, but he got some nil money we lost him.
So I think for a lot of mid major schools
they're gonna they just don't have the nil money compared
to you know, the big schools Ohio State and football

(51:35):
LSU Alabama. I'm sure in basketball it's it's the same
way and it's gonna be tough.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
No.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
I'm so glad that I'm retired and now I get
to watch the games on TV and to see it was.
But no times have changed. You know, kids that were
there for four years, you saw him progress for four years,
and now they're one and done.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Either they go to the NBA or they transferred to
h to another school.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Uh. And sometimes they'll go from the school the school,
the school every year, picking a new school. That happened
with Soyakavis a couple of years ago. He started at Stanford,
went to cal Uh, and now I think he's at
Indiana or Wisconsin, one of those two schools. So there's
no loyalty anymore amongst amongst student athletes anymore. Good for

(52:28):
them that they're getting money. They deserve it. But things
are a little out of whack, and uh, I don't
know what the NCAA is doing about it, but it's uh,
what if the horses are loose in the barn or
in the corral, and it's it's not good.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
I was always good to talk to you. Thanks for
memory lean well.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Steve good to see you with. It's always did to
see all those There's Gonna Beat writers, Corky Simpson, all
those guys in the Daily Star, Tucson Citizens, Dave Silver
and all you guys. There was a large entore she
used to following Arizona basketball.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
And those were great.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Times, great memories, and I like all I say is
it was just like yesterday, even though it was like
thirty thirty five years ago. That's a long time. But
the memories are still there. They will always be there.
As I always say, go cart, go Arizona.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Go to you o Bay, Thank you, Bob, appreciate it.
Take care, have a great day, guys. That was fun.
That was fun. Let's go and take a break. You
get breaking news on the other side.