Tuesday, July 22 Hour 2

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hey, welcome back to Flying the Ball. You're on Fox
Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, your Dave Silver. Now
we have one with breaking news.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
This is I on the Ball, breaking news on Fox
Sports fourteen fifty.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Up by Tuesday to everyone out there.

Speaker 5 (00:28):
Here's truly Mihitolindo on a Tuesday afternoon in the bit
of a dead dead era of sports right now, dead period,
dead period, dead era. Uh, but let's just try to
get some breaking news out of this. As mentioned earlier, Nick,
former Arizona quarterback Nick Foles has been added as the
newest member of the Arizona Sports Hall of Fame, joining

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Kevin Cordz and Ben diggon is U for.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
The Arizona in Phoenix. That's when you were talking about
Dave or nothing. We're talking about you of a one
which him I think today?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Am I getting that wrong? Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Channel nine says Channel nine. Uh, it's Nick Foles, Kevin
Kord's and Ben Diggins.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Okay, so that that's Ben Diggins was a baseball pair, correct, Yes, yeah,
so the only three there should be more?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Well, I think, well they come up with a Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:17):
The story I saw was that Nick was going to
be the only football player and then the rest of the
class was going to be annunci latter this week unless
Channel nine got some information that's not out publicly just yet.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, And I don't know. And that's not that great
breaking news. That's not you know whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Okay, cool?

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
The Diamondbacks hosted the Astros last night. They lost six
to three. They'll play them again tonight at six forty
for Arizona Night or University.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
You have a knight at Chase Field. Oh that's the Yeah,
is that when tonight tonight?

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Okay? Yeah, I saw that on the on the tube.

Speaker 6 (01:49):
Did you see the other news? I don't know if
you're gonna mention this about catl Marte. Did you know
he was robbed? He was in the All Star week? Yeah,
he was robbed. Yeah, four hundred thousand dollars worth of
merchandise was stolen from his house. That's you know, a
lot of stuff, A lot of jewelry they said, and
other big items.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
So I don't know what that really means that's in
Phoenix or Scott's Tale or whatever.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Wow, It's like, you know, you got to hire a
security just to have that not happen.

Speaker 6 (02:15):
Yeah, I mean that happened, you know with Patrick Mahomes
and a few of the football players where they know
they're going to be gone for the weekend or be
gone for even a couple of days like the All
Star Game.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
It's another reason into why All Star Wars weekends and
across the across sports might be getting lower and lower
and lower interests from athletes, you know, not wanting to play.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah. I think it'd be usually just to higher security
for that weekend.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
I would say they must have a lot of cameras
around these houses and that I mean, you hate to say,
you know, how do people break in?

Speaker 4 (02:49):
But yeah, they know that these guys are gone.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
They found some people, I guess in Florida for whatever was.
They stopped some people just randomly and they had a
bunch of the memorable I think there's from Mahomes and
they said where'd you get this? Well, yeah, my cousin
and they had only unique to him, right.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Right, So of course they go Wow to the NBA
former Phoenix Suns player Joshua Koge has agreed to a
one year, three point one million dollar deal with the
Houston Rockets.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Okay, say that name again, Joshua Koge. Okay, I have
no idea who that is. Do you know who that is?

Speaker 6 (03:21):
I remember the name he was in kind of a backup.
No idea in.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
College if he played college, Kogi? Okay, I believe he
played at Baylor or Dayton. I feel like it's one
of those two. I know, I know he was. He
was there while I was following the Suns for a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
Another former Phoenix Suns player, Chris Paul, is entering his
last season. He'll be returning to the Clippers, Los Angeles Clippers.
We talked about that.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Did you see because Ray was doing this yesterday and
he's going back to the Clippers. Did you see Gilbert Arenas's
reaction to it?

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Why you going back? Your girlfriend? It didn't work last time?

Speaker 7 (03:57):
Work?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Just that?

Speaker 4 (04:00):
If anything?

Speaker 6 (04:01):
Roster that can you imagine we were ten years ago? Yeah,
ten years ago fantastic. But I mean they've got like
six starters basically, and they've got some really you know, yeah,
the players who were fantastic in their in their prime.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Let's see how they go the ball.

Speaker 6 (04:16):
Let's see how they're doing when once February hits after
they've been playing, are they going to be not playing.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
As many games?

Speaker 2 (04:21):
No?

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Baby, I'm hurt. It's November. What's wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well?

Speaker 5 (04:27):
Another Phoenix Sons player, Bradley Beale, who just got out
of his contract buyout with the Suns. He's giving up
his number three for Chris Paul.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
How nice of him? Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
What award winning Indiana sports writer Bob Hamil passed away.
He covered twenty three final fours and twenty nine Indiana
high school.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Basket or does it just happened? It happened a wild
back got out yesterday. Okay.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
He was really big in the season on the No.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
He's on the brink with the John Feinstein book.

Speaker 6 (05:07):
I think he's prominent in that book because he covered
when he was like the beat writer for.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
The probably Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because he would it was
what's his end that did the book?

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah? So yeah. Hamil was the guy like he was
there years.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
He was like you you know, hanging around coaches, you know,
almost the entire run.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
The A A a C is re branding as the
American Conference. I'm not sure if that means anything to
use to you if I doubt it.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
No, did Memphis tried to get into a conference.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
They did try to get into the Big twelve and
for two hundred mili.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
What was the price? They said, I can look at
that two hundred.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Million to get in, and they didn't say we said no, no,
thank you. Okay, what's what's the conference worth? Two hundred
We're gonna pay you two hundred million and we don't.
You guys don't want it? Holy crap? So you tell me,
oh yeah, yeah, So he just past I guess he
had been retarded for but he had just passed. I

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thought he passed earlier in the summer.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
No, okay, I'll see if I can find that. What
are you saying? Nine my expiration Dave eighty nine? I
don't that's too old for me.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Two hundred million, yeah, okay to the NFL camps are
about to start and Terry McLaurin has not showed up
for the commander's camp. He's in the middle of trying
to negotiate a contract extension.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
So let me, are you gonna talk talking about the commanders?
I'm gonna go there because you already looked at me like,
you know what we'll talk about, go for it. So so,
so what do you think about this name change again
and and the and the Guardians. It's not gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
I agree with you.

Speaker 6 (06:47):
I mean, I don't think someone like him can even
he can say something about it. But I don't think
the leagues are gonna just go who do you think
you are?

Speaker 4 (06:56):
I mean, let me tell you, I know who he is.

Speaker 6 (06:59):
But I mean then the commissioners and the owners and
everything like that.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
They've already been branded, and they've already made these transitions
and yeah enough already.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
I mean, really, there's a lot more important things I
would think to be concerned with. And changing the Guardians
back to the Indians, yes, you know.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
They should maybe it shouldn't have been changed in the
first place, but that's for another day.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
I don't know how about those chiefs.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Well, the chiefs and then the seminoles, yeah, and the braves,
the braves, right. I'm not a Native American, but I
come from Santa Fe, where friends go to the Sanate
Santa Fe Indian School.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
To me, I don't don't even.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Know what the right answer is because maybe some would
say yes and some would say no.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
And who's going to make you who's going to be
the happiest? It's definitely question.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
I also think if you're a team of the Commanders
after last season, yeah, you don't.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
You don't change it. You don't change it. Yeah, it's
a good season.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
The Saints, UH safety Tyron Matthew announced his retirement. He
played a little bit of a stint with the Cardinals.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, you know, he was in the wasn't the the
the Honey Badger back when he came out remembered there
was some controversy about getting paid or whatever it was
doing except L L s U And then again he
was already retirement. Was thirty two ish, thirty thirty three,
twelve seasons.

Speaker 6 (08:14):
Wow, that's yeah, from then when you're twenty one, has
a twelve year career.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
He was very good because he played at the Cardinals.
Then he went to somewhere maybe three teams. Saints, I
think I think it was just the no, no, no. He
played with the Texans and then the Chiefs. Okay, just
part of the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, that's it. I think that was his first super player.

Speaker 7 (08:37):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Former Florida State seminal coach jimbo Fisher has joined the
ACC Network as a weekly analyst.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
He made a fortune on his buyouse, ye right, didn't.
I mean he got like, I don't know, nine years
or something.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
His kids, their kids and their kids will never have
to work at day, and he'll back. He'll probably be
back coaching.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
He'll take this one or two years and do this,
you know, reabilitator's image or whatever, and then somebody.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
Will grab them.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
Yeah, seventy six million dollars buyout for those who can't remember.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
Cincinnati freshman offensive lineman that died back in April was
confirmed from the autopsy that it was a hard condition.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
The Big Ten commissioner has continued his advocacy for automatic
qualifier heavy college football playoff format.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
But they're having their who's doing their things sent them today?

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah, I think it's the ACC Big Ten. Yeah this week,
I believe. Okay, and that's I got for breaking new.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
There's only still only twelve teams, right, they haven't expanded
in sixteen. I know that they're trying to figure out
what to do with the men's basketball to go to
seventy two wish or seventy six yeah, when is that
decision supposed to Co'm not too sure.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
But the athletic deal a story.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
I didn't read it that they're talking to coaches and
some agreed to do it and some don't want to
do it. Obviously they have contracts, you know, if you
make it to the playoffs. Blah bla's right, that's yeah,
it's an easier way to get into the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Get in the tournament. I'm one of seventy five schools.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, you can extra whatever bonus. Trying to look into
that decision. Okay, well anything else. School starts in about
a month year with everybody coming back. A lot of
the football players are already back, right, they're back, and
the basketball players are back. So you know, Tommy's on
a recruiting trail after his trip to Switzerland.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
So a little more breaking news out of the sports
media markets. Sports media news. Rich Eisen going to go
back to ESPN whit I heard that. I heard that
maybe two or three weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Does he to continue on NFL network?

Speaker 7 (10:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:42):
No, I don't think so. I don't think so. There's
so many changes, so many changes. Now, what do you
what do you make of Dave? Because you're in the
TV business, and this has nothing to do with anything
like Cobert getting his show, and just the payments that
they're paying to Trump. And I don't want to go
political with it, but the money is at the TV
stations are kind of having to fork up. And then

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he's soon in the Washington Journal, the Washington Wall Street Journal, I'm.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Sorry, which is crazing.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, because that obviously hurts the bottom line in a
time when the bottom line is not very good already.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
Right, It's it's an interesting time in media, that's for sure,
no question, especially the big the big ones, the CBS's
and and the Wall Street journals and whoever else he's
not happy with.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
It's a scary time for the first amendments.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, right, well, and that's my political no, no, And
it's fair, it's fair. It's a it's a guy. I
feel the same way. And as a guy trying to
find a job, what do you think of this? The
media being the way it is now kind of won't
have to uh so cretail these things.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
Is that the way media is being treated now has
been that way for since twenty sixteen, Yeah, more far
or less. Yeah, And so we were taught how to
handle this.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Type of situation.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
Okay, tell you just well, you obviously get the mantra
never give up. I always find a way to get
stuff out there. And if you have the following like
some of these influential people have, it doesn't matter if
you're on CBS or TikTok or X. They're gonna find
a way to get your word out and people will

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find a way to get their message across. So it's
unfortunate for some people that the Colbert Show is being
canceled or he'll land on his feet.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
He don't say those guys, he doesn't even to worry about. Right,
There's a lot people that work for him. That's a problem.
He was listening today.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
I mean they're saying he's got two hundred people on
his staff. That's a lot of jobs. He had a
pretty good show last night.

Speaker 6 (12:48):
Yeah, but I mean those are those are those are
the ones you kind of feel sorry for because he'll,
you know, he can do whatever he wants.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
He can stand up or whatever, do a show, do
another show.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
I'm assuming that there's a plenty of TV sations out there,
cable or otherwise that'll kind of stream.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
Right, I mean, even like this rich Eisend story. You know,
they're gonna they'll they'll show that on Disney Plus, they'll showcase.
These are gonna be like a you know, a radio
like us. We need the cameras in here. We could
do a little Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Well that's what I want to get done because we
do have the cameras in here and have the podcast
Cool Live.

Speaker 7 (13:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
I mean it's gonna be ESPN Radio, but it's gonna
appear it's gonna be on Disney Plus and ESPN Plus.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
So I mean it's you know, that's kind of the
way things are going these days.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, I might replace with Joey Taylor Dave so just
so you know, with who Joy Taylor?

Speaker 6 (13:29):
Oh yeah, she's out of work. All the entire Fox
lineup changed. I think Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Oh I was with Fox ten years ago. Yeah, and
we all got X because of video no video of streamers.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
That story.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
Well they you know, did you read the news about
the barstool guys are all coming over to Fox. Uh
the football pregame show Football orton Oy and I don't know,
Big Cat, some of the guys.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Who learned the game here, they're going to be on
that Big Noons show.

Speaker 6 (14:03):
They're going to kind of compete with mcafeew who's you know,
kind of taking over the ESPN show at least his personality.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I'm gonna say, tail end of my career. I'm okay
with it. Just just watch the games. We'll do it together. Dave,
you have the remote? Where's the remote?

Speaker 8 (14:21):
Game?

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Can you get up? You get jading, get us a beer.
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Speaker 3 (19:46):
Hey, welcome back to Why on the Ball here Fox
Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Stibaga and with me today is
Dave Silver. Now, if one, we have Chris rats Standard,
one of the great officials of our time and one
of the head guys.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Now, what the heck is your title?

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh yeah, National Coordinator of Men's Basketball Officiating NCAA Men's
National Coordinator.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, you're You're a busy man. I try to get
you on the show and I can't. I gotta do this,
gotta do that. This is the summer.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
No, it never ends, Steve. No, I'm just kidding. The summer.
The summer's not bad. It slows down a little bit. Uh.
You know, we start up in a month. I meet
with all the coordinators from all the leagues in the country.
So I've got a prep for that, and then and
then the seasons right around the corner. So yeah, we're go,
go go.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Don't you have something data?

Speaker 6 (20:44):
You know I was gonna say, you have a big
summit coming soon. Right in Alabama. Is that like next week?

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, that's the na s O, that's this weekend, okay,
and so h yeah, I really enjoyed that. Actually there's
officials from all sports, all levels. We sit and talk
and and I do you know a couple of presentations,
like we'll put up some plays or something you know
we just talked about and break them down. And then

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what a really cool thing is date is I get
to sit on a it's called the ODA, it's Official
Developmental Alliance. So I'm on a panel there and there's
all the coordinators from from like all the pro sports.
You know, the Major League is there, NFL is there,
the NHL is there, Women's basketball is there, the High
School Federation is there, soccer is their, tennis is there.

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So we just sit around and kind of brainstorm about
officiating in general and all the kinds of different problems
and solutions and how we handle situations. So yeah, that's
this weekend and in Montgomery. And I really enjoy that
four days of just being with fellow referees. So yeah,
a lot of love.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
How many officials are you working with? I mean it's
and in charge of in charge of.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, uh in division one men's basketball. There's roughly nine
hundred referees. Wow, so obviously yeah, I don't do I
don't do any of the assigning or anything like that.
During the season, I signed some tournament games, you know,
some of the Hall of Fame series stuff. I'll assign that.

(22:23):
I know Arizona is playing, like they always play in Phoenix, right,
they'll play a game, you know, whoever they play, you know,
so I'll sign that game. But uh, and then I
signed the tournament. So it's more of a national thing.
Nine hundred referees Division one and then there's Division two,
Division three. But they East had their own national coordinator
who I work with and meet monthly. Just for on

(22:47):
the same page.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Before we go back to you, let me ask you,
because we have we have people who you know, are
interested in being a ref and blah blah blah. But
to me, it takes a certain type of person to
be a ref, given given the grief they take, the
condition you have to be in stuff like that, what
does it take personality.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Wise you need to be well, it's it's definitely a
practice skill. Yeah, just things just have to you just
have to let stuff go. You know, you can't take
things personally, which happens at every level. You know, you

(23:29):
try really hard, but when you're getting screamed at by
a coach, it's hard not to take it personally, you know,
because we all have pride.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
In what we do.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Whatever our job is, we take pride in it. And
then when somebody questions you or tries to demean you
or tells you you're not very good at what you're doing, well,
you know that. You know that stings a little bit. So,
but it's not about the referee, you know, it's always
I had a coach one time, tell me because I
started talking to him. I remember that time you were
screaming at me and blah blah bah any last years, Chris,

(23:57):
I don't even see faces when I yell. You know, yeah,
he just sees stripes. So if you can learn that skill, ye,
that that could be the that could be the best.
And then and that's just a calm demeanor helps you know,
and and you just kind of if you can be
even keeled, let stuff run past you and get get

(24:19):
to a point where you can communicate with wherever you're
trying to talk to. If you can get that done,
you can be a good referee because we can teach
how to call balls and strikes right. It's that other
stuff that that separates right too.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
I mean, you know, who are not all absolutely in
all human.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
It's a service industry, man, I mean that's what we do.
We serve the game.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
How is how is replay changing things in your profession?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
You know, that's a really good question. It's it's it's
been a big help. Uh and you know, and and
that calls that really matter, you know gamers. You know,
we get the rights, we're able to use the replay.
At the same time, I think it's hurt us a
little bit because referees, you know, the human aspect of it, right,

(25:12):
If you know you can go over there and look
at it, I think it takes the edge off a
little bit. And then sometimes we might use the monitor
as a crutch rather than a tool, you know what
I mean, instead of just knuckling down, man, and focusing
and getting that play right and just living with it
like in the old days. You know, well, we'll just

(25:33):
go look at it. Well, So it helps that we
get the plays right that we need to get right.
But at the same time, I think it's it's it
detracts our level of concentration.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Not that you would know this, but we live in
an analytical age now where everybody's or everything's monitored, blah
blah blah. Would you happen to know, like how many
of them get changed?

Speaker 2 (25:55):
You know, it's not a very big percentage. We go
over that all the time, and different plays get changed
at different rates. But like the out of bounds call
does not get changed that much faster, interferenced goldpen does
not get changed that much. So we really don't miss
as many as everybody thinks we do, so we don't

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overturn a lot. It's interesting that you ask, have you
guys seen the rules change for this coming season?

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (26:22):
I was going to say, aren't there going to be
limitations on how many reviews there can be?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Is that? Yeah, it's going to be a coach's challenge
now for out of bounds, specifically for the entire game,
all forty minutes. If a coach wants you to go
to the monitor, he has to challenge it. So if
he's wrong, it's going to cost him a challenge.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
And the timeout.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
So that was put in because of the end of
the games and the referees. And here's an example of
a guy's where oh it's just I'll be honest, sometimes
it's just it's it's frustrating a little bit because you know,
you get to play right, but you see the guy,
let's go take a look at it, because they're just
you know, don't forbid we're wrong, right, So we're gonna go. Look, well,

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now you've got to get the play. You got to
call the play. Just call the play. If coach wants
to challenge, he can't. So that's gonna that's gonna have
an impact, I think, a positive impact on the game.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
What what what are the other maybe significant changes on
or two of them.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Uh, well there's that one. Uh in basket experience. Goaltending
again will be a challengeable play.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Now.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Remember we used to if you blew it, if you
blew the whistle on a play, we'd go with the
next media to look at it. Well, that will be
a challengeable call now, so that will help speed up
the game. The other big rule change is the is
in the continuous motion, which most people refer to as continuation.

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Players going to the basket, then they get bumped and
they keep going to make the shot right, and and
we had a very uh uh antiquated rule I think,
and most people would agree with that. So I think
the rules committee, who's done a great job since I've
been on board. You know, two years ago we changed
the block charge rule right at the basket and that

(28:11):
helped a lot. This is going to help a lot too.
So the change is is if the ball handler is
going to the basket, the first thing that has to
happen is you have to believe that they're trying to score, right,
it has to be a scoring play. So if you
end your dribble and get fouled, we're going to let
you take that step and continues the basket and lay

(28:31):
the ball in. If you do count the basket, shoot one.
So you'll see a lot more scoring plays to the basket.
And then the referee is doing the big you know,
white boss, you know we all hate. So it'll be
it's more similar. Yes, it's towards the NBA day, but
it's not all the way to the NBA. The NBA
gets them two steps. They'll end their dribble. They call

(28:55):
it the gathers like you're dribbling, you're going to the basket.
And then you grab it with two hands, you in
your dribble and they put a foot down. Well then
they give him step step. Well we're only going to
give them you get your foot down, you get one
step and go. So it's not all the way to
the NBA. But it's much uh uh more progressive than

(29:16):
than the rule was. I think they're gonna you see
more more point.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Play like that in Maryland game in the playoffs here
in the tournament.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Last second shot.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, there was some last second shot that that he
was kind of maybe traveled, didn't sho you don't.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
You don't have to talk about that one.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
So you you I want to Colorado say Maryland. Yeah,
that very similar play. Yeah, that kind of play. He
didn't get fouled in that play though, So yeah, okay,
so you were for a long time.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
It wasn't that conversation. So you were for a long
time in that in this world. No, you've been doing
this for maybe two or three years. Right, do you
do you miss it? It's probably a dumb question, but
do you miss doing that?

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Steve?

Speaker 2 (29:56):
That's a great question. This is my fourth year, I'm
going into my fourth season and the answer is I
don't miss it. Which which is really interesting even for me.
It's just interesting how how much I enjoy what I'm doing.
For one and the people I worked with and the
people I work for. I really I'm I'm really blessed
to be in the job. And I mean that it's

(30:18):
a great gig. So so maybe that helps. But I'm
telling you now, I'm not going to be every now
and then. Like you go to San Antonio, right and
you walk in and we go day early, a couple
days early. You get up on up on the court,
you know, you walk up and you kind of look around.
You have the final four, and you kind of go,
I could have done you know, it'd have been nice

(30:39):
to do a final four, you know. So you miss
that maybe that moment, but it but that it goes,
it goes away pretty quick. I really don't I miss
the guys. I miss my buddies who I referee with
because I don't get to see him and I don't
really get to talk to him. That's what I really miss.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
During the season.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
Are you out every night around the country and what
is what is your workload?

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Like you know, from like November to March.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, I traveled. That's another It's Funny, I travel as
much now as I did when I was officiating, So
so I go to a lot of games, which I
enjoy doing. I watch a lot on TV, you know,
I always tease, you know, Big Monday and Super Tuesday
for me is just you know, I got clicker and
a notepad and I'm watching games taking notes and that's

(31:27):
all I do. But I really like to go to
games because you get a little better feel, you know,
you see the communication between the crew, between the players
and the crew and the coaches and the rest. So
I like that aspect of it. Two you see how
they handle situations. But I travel quite a bit. The
big difference is, though, is I'm not waking up at
four o'clock to get that six am flight so I
can get across the country to referee. You know, I'm

(31:48):
doing the gentleman's flight, you know, at ten o'clock to
go wherever I'm going.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
And if I don't.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Get there, whatever, Yeah, they're still going to play.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
What age? Did you say? Okay, this just on my
path m And did you have somebody, you know, Garbaldi
or as your inspiration?

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Oh? Absolutely, I had had mentors, you know, I stumbled
into this thing, Steve, And I don't know if ever told.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
You that story.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
I mean, I was at Lakeside Sports Club playing basketball
and I ended up starting referee there for nine bucks
a game. So it wasn't really like that was going
to be a career move. You know. We were just
having some fun playing basketball and wrestling a little bit.
And a guy named Tim Nichols, who was a local
high school and junior college referee, got a hold of

(32:41):
me and kind of gave me some direction and some guidance,
and I started doing some high school and junior college
and then I got into the PAC ten when Booker
Turner was the supervisor. And it probably took I bet
maybe eight or ten years in that when I started
working a lot of games and the money starting getting good,

(33:01):
and I thought, you know what, this is not bad.
And even then, you just it's not.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
Like a.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
You know, you know, the cat out.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Of the bag.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Now everybody knows about officiating. Back in the day, it
was kind of a hidden thing, right, you kind of
stumbled into it. Now, you know, there's there's kids eighteen
nineteen years old that they get online and they want
to be referees. That's what they want to do. So
there's all this training and they try to get into
the NBA program, the grassroots program right and do all that.
But I didn't really do that. And I bet I refereed,

(33:36):
I bet, you know, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years and had
a full time job, whether it was a full time
job or I owned businesses, you know. Finally, the last
ten to fifteen years of my career all I did
was referee. So I know I loved it. That I
knew right away, especially when I got into high school. Man,

(33:59):
you could just like it was it was. I think
it came very naturally to me, you know, came very easy,
and I had a little success, got a little lucky.
And that's this history.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
I mean, do you do you think you get better
as you go along?

Speaker 6 (34:14):
I mean, if you enter as a high school ref
you know, at the age of twenty two, is that
kind of the goal is to just keep getting better
and better and then move up to the next level.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Is that how it usually goes.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
For most? I think, yeah, a lot of referees are
you know, we were athletes and we're competitive, so you know,
you you lose your competitive nature, like I don't. I
don't cheer for teams like I used to. Yeah, right,
I really don't care who wins whatever the sport is.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
I really don't.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
I've sort of lost that. I don't even know.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
What you call it.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I lost.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
I have the same thing, you know. It's kind of
like being neutral, just the neutral dudes who just goes
and watches the game.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, But I'm competitive with myself, yes, and I want
to be the best I can be, and and so
we work really really hard to get better, and you
do get better. Days you get you become a better
play caller, and then you learn the mechanics, and then
you learn like things that how to look at plays
and where you should be looking and when you should
be looking in and all that type of stuff comes
with experience. And then when you gain all that, then

(35:20):
you gain a little confidence and then and then you
can just sort of relax, and then it's not so
much a battle with everybody that's out there. You just
sort of relax. You're doing your job. You're comfortable and what
you're doing, you know, you're good at what you do.
And then and then that's when you really get good well,
because the game just slows down.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Does someone tell you, hey, you should move up or
does do you internally say okay, I'm ready or both?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Uh well, well we all think we're better than we are,
but but you need that voice on the outside. And
I mentored a lot of referees and that Tim Nichols,
I told you about mentor me and said you need
to take this step, you know so, And there's and
there's any of opportunity now that that was there when
I was coming up, but not as not as much

(36:04):
as there is now. You know, in terms of camps
you can go to and in places of you can
be seen by supervisors at every level and they bring
you into division two or division three and then you
and then yeah, you work your way up. Absolutely how
it works.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
I'm going to go with that.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Ted Valentine camp to look at me, look at me
on the camera, the camera.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
He's had a great career, man, I'll tell.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
You that great I think, yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
You're still going oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Well, thank you so much. Thanks a bunch for joining us.
Good to always hear from.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
You, pleasure man, Steve, I appreciate you all. Dave, good
to talk to you you too.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Thanks, be good summer and we'll see you in a
few months.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Take care, guys.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Thank you, great Christmass Stattard one of the great guys,
great refs. Yeah, uh final four guy. Couple of times. Yeah,
from Tucson.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
He's not allowed to he never was allowed to do
U of a games.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
No, not the case. There's him and somebody else. Think
there's a couple of other there's what's his name, got
his buddy? I forget names. Yeah, mister Dave, I forget you.
That's cool.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
I mean we can talk maybe after the break, but
just about how.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Officiating has sort of changed.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
Oh yeah, you know, the technical stuff Wimbledon with no lines,
judges anymore.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
I did you guess that I was asking this too,
that he gets or got less grief at the college
level than than kids do with the elementary, junior, high level.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
The parents are just brutal, right, right, I'm gonna get
you in the parking honey.

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It's terrible.

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Speaker 3 (41:45):
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Speaker 4 (42:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
And in the good old days of Stanford and Arizona
and uh now, mister Rastadder.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
Who I wonder if he did well? No one, I
guess he couldn't do U of a games right, but
I wonder. I'm sure he did games at Stanford.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Yeah, yeah, it was. We see him. I'd see him
every now and again. Yeah. Yeah, very nice career.

Speaker 6 (42:24):
Really, when we think about it, and and Bob talked
about it too, it was just the history of those
that stretch of basically almost twenty years of just a
couple of games every year, and what Stanford game was
one of the biggest ones Arizona.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (42:37):
You remember, and I'm sure you were there. Uh, that's Stanford,
that Stanford game here. I can't remember who who was playing,
but I remember the game. It was the first time
in my time that Arizona fans stormed hard court. Star
Jason could have been, could have been.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
So so Stanford was like number one, number two or
whatever it was. Yeah, and the u of a people
stormed the court. Those are those are some super rivalry
type games. I mean, basically was Arizona Stanford for a
long time. You said he was not even in the pit,
you say occasionally.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
Popped in there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
Other than that, it was you know, Stanford, I mean,
Oregon popped every once in a while, Washington, right, but
consistently Arizona Stanford, right, and he mentioned some great Keith
Adam to Key uh, all these guys, Lopez Twins, the Twins,
Brevin Knight. Yeah, yeah, it was it was great, right,

(43:31):
It was fun to funded. You know, it was the
game you look forward to. He was national TV.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
And I'm not joking when I went to Duke Here
a couple of years ago, and it doesn't hold anything
to me in terms of Stanford and the bouncy court
and the craziness that ensued. If you remember, did you
go watch games there?

Speaker 6 (43:48):
They When I was younger, I did, but later none
of my TV time, no went there.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
So we go.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
I went there eighteen twenty times, and and the courts.
When we we watched the game, we was on the court.
They moved us eventually to the top. But you know
it was just a desk issue, the flimsy little thing
with our computers blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
And the guys were right.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
The players were the students right behind us, and they'd
win the game. We had to shut down everything because
they jump up on top of us through us. Computers
were ruined or whatever stepped on because it was crazy.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
It was crazy good.

Speaker 6 (44:21):
Stanford has incredible facilities obviously, but it's interesting that Maples
has never really been redone.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
They've never built anything bigger than that short of well,
short of the floor, because remember.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
They did a study, they did a study of the
bouncy court affecting the knees and affecting the players. So
they decided to do away with them.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
You know, and they did redo the stadium I don't know,
ten fifteen years ago, where it was used to be
ninety thousand seats and you know they would draw thirty yeah, yeah,
and then they redid it now I think, and now
its seats like fifty, which I think is what you know,
the UFA would like to do.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
They should do that. We talked about that beautiful.

Speaker 6 (44:53):
I mean, I remember the first I want to say
it was maybe one of the first Pack ten Championship
games was played there.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
It wasn't even Stanford wasn't even in. It was like
U C.

Speaker 6 (45:03):
L A and somebody, and I was there. I just
happened to be in town and I went, yeah, how
long ago was this is?

Speaker 3 (45:10):
I don't know, maybe twenty over.

Speaker 6 (45:12):
Something like that. But the stadium itself is, you know,
been totally it's totally redone. Doesn't look anything like it.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Did all the places I had not been. And even
though we stayed across the street at in Palo Alto
for basketball, I never went there. I never saw a
game there football football, oh yeah yeah. And in the
what do you call.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
It, the eucaly it was kind of like you there
was lyptist trees.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yeah, that you could smell those, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
In fact, you used to park and you still do.
I think you're you're like parking in like a little
forest of trees.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Which tree you parked by? Kind of thing, right, hoping
you didn't get a ticket?

Speaker 6 (45:48):
Right, But it's a gorgeous campus, and you know, it's
a smart lot of a lot of other things going
on besides athletics and smart vinting stuff and creating the
Internet and the.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Places you can see kind of Lisa Race right, yeah, okay.

Speaker 6 (46:02):
Yeah, I mean Google, all those guys basically just came
right out of the Stanford campus and just drove down
the street and made Google.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Yeah, but Yahoo and all those companies. But kind of
not to change topics. But since you're a Cowboys fan, right.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
I'm not a fan of anything, oh sure of one, okay,
but I'm interested, where are you.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Going to go with it? I just want to get
your thoughts on Jerry Jones.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
What he's been said, the worst thing that happened to
the Cowboys since nineteen ninety three, I think, But you.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Heard what when he was talking about Parsons. No, No,
I heard that.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
There's a few. Yeah, they had like a media thing
and the new head coach. He was like, yeah, we're
trying to get this deal done. Michael wants to be here.
We want him to be here, and we're going to
get to that point eventually. And then Jones said, well,
even if we do sign up, it's not like we
we guarantee to have him. He missed six games last year.

(46:55):
And I'm just like, how do you say that about
your best player?

Speaker 4 (46:59):
I heard.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
I heard that there's there's some merit to it. Yes, sure,
but you take you say that about any position, and
he's one of the best players in the league. Yeah,
when he's healthy, I guess he.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
Wants to be the highest paid player on defense, right. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
I don't get how you say that about your start.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
He needs to retire.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
I mean, he just will sell a team or something
because he's they haven't won it in ninety five, ninety six,
get get it. You know it's bad, It's just bad
blue Blood. Well it's difficult. Well you you said that
because you agree with me, right, because it's been so long.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
It's just one of those franchises too.

Speaker 6 (47:33):
I mean, he's going to just hand it over to
his kids, right, like the Crafts are going to do
with the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
I'm assuming because it seems to be the way things
are going to legacy. The legacy.

Speaker 6 (47:43):
Well maybe not the Lakers and Celtics, but in the NFL,
those families have had these teams forever, right, I mean, well,
the Lakers are.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Sold right, They're just keeping the family working, doing what
they do.

Speaker 6 (47:52):
Yeah, they're gonna make give them jobs against the senior executive. Yeah,
Genie Bus or whoever one of the Bus brothers advisor.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
You guys are into boxing, right. Did you see the
Pacquiell fight over the weekend? I did not, Did you
see I didn't see it on pay per view?

Speaker 4 (48:07):
But yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
I think I saw the UFC fight with Potier retirement retiring.
It was pretty good, But yeah, I think he's done,
or he's been done.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
He came out of return. It came out of it
came out as a draw or something. Yeah, you know,
noble performance.

Speaker 6 (48:24):
But all these athletes in their forties, like the Venus
Williams playing tennis this week, and well.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
Maybe Serena is gonna come out of retirement too.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Chris talked about this, and I see this all the
time when we have the athletes or former athletes, they
have to find a way to to stay competitive, right,
and then the paydays are fantastic. I'm sure that the
Mayweather was hoping that he'd win because he saw some
he saw some money in the in the bank there
with a return to fighting. Yet no, that's what that
was the talk. Have Mayweather come back and fight him

(48:53):
again for whatever that'd be worth. You know what, I
never thought it had happened the first time, like him
in the De la Hoya.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
But people willing to pay.

Speaker 6 (49:03):
Yeah, I mean there's got to be there's an audience.
I mean, Mike Tyson fighting that guy, the TV guy,
A couple of Paul, yeah, Jake Paul. It is I
mean that's why we I mean you look at the
netflixes and people like that. They're they're looking for that
kind of In fact, Netflix is trying to get into boxing.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
They haven't.

Speaker 6 (49:21):
They had a women's match on just this last week.
So they're trying to get more into live sports too.
They're gonna be doing NFL. They're doing more NFL this year,
so there's opportunities for programming.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Hey, we need to get somebody about the Williams sisters.
Let's put them on.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Well, the Netflix fight with the Paul and Tyson right,
it was didn't go very well because the streaming service
was bad.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Yeah, the overall experience, like viewing experience was bored. Yeah,
that was That was a busy night I think in Tucson. Yeah,
I think there was the Texas Tech game for football,
and then you had the team basketball team going to Madison.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Yeah, I remember that. It was crazy. It was great.
Try to keep up with a lot of things that night.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Well, we got a week before we talk to the
guys at the football program and the women's volleyball starts.
All these things will cook up again for the summer.
Have you asked him about his prediction? Which one football?
You ate? Football? I have wait time football. Yeah, you
said six and six, seven, five. I'm gonna be optimist
and go eight and four.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
Alone alone? Did you do eight and four.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yes, let's go drinking before this.

Speaker 6 (50:33):
I don't know one thing we were talking about back
with Bob about just the lion of the allegiances of
teams and stuff. I don't know anything still about the
Big twelve teams. I don't know about you guys. I
haven't studied up on them, like I go. We're playing
you know Cincinnati are then he good? I mean, seriously,
in the old days you kind of knew. Oh yeah, Oregon,

(50:53):
Oregon State, They're gonna probably be pretty.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
But that's why, that's why you have him at eight
and four. You don't know anything about it.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
I've got to break through one of these years.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Well, okay, Charles Barkley esventually what did they're gonna win
the title? Just terrible, terrible garer on t Yeah, yeah, sure, okay,
don't we'll talk.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
We'll talk in December and see how we're doing. Yeah,
in the middle of.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Basketball if I ever but you back after that prediction.
But I need you so you'll be back in credibility anymore.
I need you, so you'll be back. We good to go.
Thanks everybody for listening today. We'll see you guys tomorrow
and good luck. We can good night,