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Welcome to Faith in the Zone.I'm the Big nine twenty in your iHeartRadio
app. I Mike McGivern alongside.He's back. Pastor Ken Caltoner from Brookside
Baptist Church. Were coming from theDinovan to Jordanson Heating and Cooling Studios.
Pastor Ken, how you been It'sbeen a bit. Yeah, it has
been a bit, Mike, andgood to be back. And good to
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be back in the States. Beentraveling overseas a little bit. Needs you
to come with me do some basketballcamps over in the Dominican Republic. How
did the trip go the teens?You guys had a good trip. Yeah,
I had a great trip. Uh. The only real big hiccup is
our intern Jesse didn't have He hadhis palowing passport, yes and all that,
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but they immigration over there wouldn't lethim in. They put him back
on the plane, send him backto the States, And so I was
really counting on him on a lotof the basketball and some of the speaking
stuff. So I belt lost myvoice on the first night trying to try
to get corral ninety kids in ayouth rally that were little rambunctious, and
the little boy walked up to me, and you know, my translator wasn't
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as enthusiastic as I was. Theycouldn't really hear him. The little boy
walks up and goes knowing Lace,knowing Lace, I go, well,
no aspin yo man. Overall theteas had a good trip, and you
know we did and we saw wesaw some yeah, many opportunities talk to
people about their own eternal destiny andhow they can know they can live with
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God. So that was powerful.Well, it's so good to have you
back in studio. I have totell you a couple of weeks ago when
you were gone. So what happenson faith in the zone is the funnel
sometimes gets a little bit light,right, Sometimes we'll have six seven guests
for the next six seven weeks,and then sometimes that funnel gets a little
light. And Tom Roy's always beena guy we've gone to. Well,
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I call Pete weary and I didtalk to Pete for about a good forty
five minutes, and he certainly said, you know, please see how to
can for me. Tell him Imiss him. And you know his sons
would have been better players if theywould have come to me. And you
know, all the lot of stuffthat Pete with you know, good old
you know Pete with that home cookingup at Northfland. He got all the
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calls of there and I said,Pete, here's what's going on. I'd
love to have you back on.And you've been on a couple of times,
but the funnel is really light,and I'm looking at at your website,
Nations of Coaches, and there's anumber of guys that I'd love to
be able to reach out. We'vehad on a number of guys over the
years. Mike Lightfoot has been on, Kelly Kennedy, We've had on a
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couple of times. Tim Carter hasbeen on. But there are guys on
this that I don't believe we've hadon, and Billy Dunn is one of
them. Last week we had GraysonWakefeet and Grayson's a young guy character coach
coordinator for Nations of Coaches. He'stwenty three, twenty four years old and
pastor. It was a great show. Here's a young guy that had that
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you know, went through some journeyand came out on the other end on
fire for the Lord. His wife'son fire for the Lord. And just
I like having those young people thatthat figured this out a lot sooner than
I did. And Grayson's one ofthose. And today for today's show,
we've got Billy dunnjoining us. He'sthe character coach Nations of Coaches and he
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is in Pennsylvania and he's the regionaldirector of Pennsylvania four Nations of Coaches.
Billy done, how you doing today? I'm doing great? Thanks for having
me? Yeah, you bet Hey. We got to thank Pete Weary.
And what's cool is we can talkabout Pete behind his back a little bit
if we want. I got acouple of Pete wearing stories if you'd like
him. But you know, Peteand all kid in his side. He
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does a great job and he's onfire for the Lord and we're looking forward
to having him on in a fewweeks to kind of catch up with him
on how him and Lisa are doing, how the family's doing. But I
really appreciate your time today, Billy. Can we talk about how long you've
been with Nations of Coaches? Sure? Yeah, I started seven years ago
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as the character coach at Lehigh University, which is where see McCullum graduated from.
Some of you who are basketball fansmight remember six years ago Lee High
had one of the great upsets inthe NCAA Tournament, beating Duke in the
first round. And so I wasthe character coach for six years and a
year ago. I continue in thatrole, but I've also added trying to
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expands and coaches into the Northeast,so kind of like you know, Pennsylvania
and New York, all that stuff, all the way up to Vermont,
New Hampshire. You know, aswe're talking to Billy, and I didn't
ask him if this is okay,so hopefully this is. But as we're
talking to Billy done again. Theregional director of Pennsylvania for Nations of Coaches.
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If you go on their website NationsOffcoaches dot com and go to their
team, you'll see Billy's bio andat the bottom it has to support Billy
tab If you're feeling led to helphim continue in this ministry that he has,
please feel free and whether it's twentybucks or fifty bucks, whatever it
is, will really help Billy continuein in doing what he does for Nations
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of Coaches. Hey, when youwere at Lehigh University for the men's basketball
team, did you feel like oneday you might make that jump to get
involved with nations of coaches. No. I actually I came to Lehigh that
first year seven years ago as thecharacter coach. I just knew, you
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know, I have a love forthe game, but my love for Christ
and seeing young men experience freedom inChrist is much more important than to me
than the execution of a complex zoneor a ball screen coverage. And so
for me, like, I've lovedevery second of it. It's been terrific.
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Hey, hey, Billy, helpus out. Maybe some aren't real
familiar with what a character coach wouldbe involved in. I mean, like,
how how how close of content doyou get to have with the players
and the program itself. Yeah,well, you know, at first,
this term some of you may haveheard of it. It's called the Ministry
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of Presence. And I can't saythat I was super familiar with it.
And so I got the lead Highthat first year, and you know,
I didn't really know any of theplayers. I didn't know any of the
administration. I was just getting toknow the coaches, and the first three
or four months, I don't wantto say it was lonely, but it
was quiet. And then as Istarted getting to know players and administration,
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and the coaches. You know,things just kind of opened up. So
some of the areas that we focusin primarily would be like doing character moments
for the team, speaking into leadershipdevelopment for the team. I personally do
a lot of different things. Ido like a camp twice a year for
our coaches kids so that our coachesand their wives can have like a full
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day. We do Bible studies,we do chapel. So the goal isn't
just like character. I mean,ultimately, for me, the goal is
to be able to see young mencome to know Christ as their savior.
But it's a variety of things.I guess if I could summarize it though,
it's really an act of serving.Like we come and we serve at
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the pleasure of the head coach andthe coaching staff. So I've picked up
water bottles, I've swept the floor, I've made runs to the emergency room
with the player who's got a tooththat doesn't look right or a broken no.
I mean, I've done it all, and that's kind of just what
we do. We're there to serve. First man, I appreciate that definition.
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You know, being present I thinkis so important and until people you
know understand that you're not going anywhere, and they might not want to talk
to you today, and they mightnot want to talk to you tomorrow,
but sometime next week or next monthor next year, and they see you
there all the time, and you'reyou know, you're there in case they
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need to come see you. AndI think that's so important and I love
that definition of being a character coachat Nations of Coaches, Hey, Billy,
and we don't know if it wasyou or not, but years ago
we talked to somebody from Push theRock Ministry and that's something did you found?
Are you the founder? I've Pushedthe Rock. I am the founder.
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I like starting things, but Ilike getting other people involved so I
can go and do something different.But yeah, So about twenty five years
ago, I was playing soccer overseasand just felt, I don't know,
a prompting of the spirit to launcha sports ministry and the goal of Push
the Rock. There's a lot ofdifferent opportunities, but our primary goal is
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to help churches and missionaries kind offurther their influence in the community by running
sports camps, being kind of competitiveteams into the community. So I've traveled,
I think I've been to fifty fivecountries now around the world where we've
used a variety of sports tools toproclaim the good news and point people to
Christ through sports. It's been awesome. It's been great. And Push the
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Rock continues now. I'm on theirwebsite right now and it continues. And
you've got to be very happy.You're your baby's gotten bigger. It's uh
yeah, it's it's probably even.It might be in college now, you
know, it's eating a lot offood. No, I'm just kidding,
but no, it's great. Imean we've got I think we have like
fifty staff now that make up Pushthe Rock across eight countries around the world,
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a lot here in the US,but in Costa Rica, Brazil,
Guatemala, Tenerife, or Spain.We've done a lot of work in Italy
and Africa. And part of thework that we do overseas is to get
the work to a place where wecan turn it back to the indigenous people
of that community, that town,that church, and so the sooner that
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we can establish something and then handsit off kind of the better off.
We're going to be Big Billy.So you're talking about with Push the Rock,
so you do all kinds of sports. It's not just basketball. It
could be soccer, it could bebaseball sports. Yeah, I mean interestingly
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enough, you know it's great.I'm not saying that I'm a part of
it, but there are some peoplewho do like sword fighting and we've found
a way to do that. Soyeah, kind of like any tool or
mechanism that would resonate in a particularcommunity. Can I give you just a
quick example. We were in atown in Romania called Crayova Slatina, kind
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of right next to each other,and we came in to serve a missionary.
So we do a camp for theweek, and on Thursday night we
were playing a basketball game against oneof their top pro teams, and it
was just a very unsettled crowd.They were throwing the little stones at us
and making root comments and things,and you know, the person there said
maybe we shouldn't go back the nextnight. I said, oh, no,
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we're going back. We're going back. I like that. Yeah,
And we just prayed, like Lord, would you just move in a way
that would bring people to the tothe court. We had several thousand individuals.
We played the game. At halftime, we did the the y Wham,
like the wordless Drama, two playersshared their testimony. We had a
gospel presentation, and the person whoshared the gospel with us all week was
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actually the local pastor. The nextSunday his church doubled. It doubled in
one week and that and that wasour goal. People saw him as the
person meeting in need in that community, not us, because we went back
home and it's been terrific ever since, and so and so the Lord answered
the prayer. They weren't throwing rocksat you the next night. No,
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Actually it was actually the total opposite. I mean, if you could have
compared the two nights, it wouldbe as far different as you could imagine.
Like Thursday night was tough, youcould feel the spiritual warfare a little
bit. But man, Friday nightwas just beautiful and we had a lot
of people praying for us. Actually, I'll just share with you one more
story that that next week we flewfor Romania to Russia. We landed on
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a Sunday. We had three flightdelays. It was miserable. We were
up all night and we had agame that Sunday night, and actually a
group of us had gone back tothe hotel. We got beat up by
a bunch of skinheads. There weresix of us walking back, very serious,
very traumatic. Well, the governmentof Russia was so embarrassed by what
had happened that they assigned like threeor four of their top police and military
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people to be with us for theweek. At the end of the week,
you wouldn't In my office, Istill have a picture of me and
those four guys, and you knowwhat, They're all holding sports bibles and
they were just smiling from ear toear. And then I get home and
an eighty eight year old woman,her name was Gertrud, came up to
me and she said, in avery Pennsylvania Dutch accent, Billy, what
time did you get beat up?And I said, well, let me
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figure out the time difference. Isaid it was about six thirty. She
pulls out her prayer journal and sheshows me at two thirty in the morning
Eastern Standard time, God had stirredher from her sleep to pray for our
team. She didn't know why I'mreading this now at this point, I've
got tears in my eyes, andlike, these are the kind of things
that God just can do that noneof us could script yeap, Ye'll be
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right. You know, Pastor,we have the conversation and you believe I
mean, you just got back tothe Dominican Republic right as he's the head
pastor at Brookside Baptist Church, alsothe youth pastor until we find a youth
pastor to come into Brookside Baptist Churchand take that job from you. And
you've jumped in both feet. You'vedone that in the past, jumped in.
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But we've had conversations with guys likeBilly dunnl like we're talking to now,
and the smile on your face andhow you sit up in your chair
when people talk about utilizing sport tospread the word all over the world.
So it's it's just right in yourheart. Yeah. And I can't wait
for you to join me next summerin the dr where a basketball camp,
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Mike, I mean, is thatgoing to be awesome? Is going to
be awesome? Man, I lookforward to that. I pretty sure my
wife would not a lot already talkto you. She would talk to you
much. And I talked to yourwife morning. She Oh, that would
be exciting. She's two days withouta thing. Come on, Billy talk,
It's life changing think about being awayfrom me for two days. You
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wouldn't do that to Terry. She'dbe like, you should go for a
month. That's what she would besaying. Hey, Billy, last thing,
so I'm reading your bio. Youyou were a high school basketball coach
and you would talk to your firstline. You said something about a complicated
zone. And understand that I coachedbasketball a long time pastor coach. He
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always wanted me to play that Syracusetwo three. Well, our biggest kid
was six three. We we don'thave six nine wings that can cover that.
And when you said zone, helit up like a Christmas tree.
I'm a man, the man guy, Billy. If you want to continue
on faith in the zone, youcan't be talking about zones anymore. Well,
listen, when you bring your offenseagainst my matchup two three and my
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ex four knows how to cross overto the court and take the overload,
You're done. No, trust me, trust that made my day. Man,
Billy. You don't want to bringthat weak Pennsylvania stuff up here.
You want no part of me,No, sir, that two three zone.
I know exactly what we would run, and trust me, I'd get
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you out of that zone in aboutsix possessions. Then there's no doubt our
faith. Listen to me's talking specand you know I I used to I
used to. Uh, I usedto be a swordsman. What did he
say? Yeah, yeah, Igot a silver medal in uh in the
Wisconsin Swordsman contest. Well, areyou kidding me? I am kiddy.
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Can you imagine a boy my size? There's big territory for somebody to get
me with that sort, get toa break. Not supposed to lie on
Faith in the Zone. I've takenthat back. Our special guest he is
Billy Donne, character coach for Nationsof Coaches and he is a coordinator for
them in Pennsylvania and will continue withthe Billy. We'll ask him to share
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his testimony. He's the regional directorin Pennsylvania. This is Faith in the
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guest today. He is Billy Dunn. He's the regional director in Pennsylvania for
Nations of Coaches. Go to Nationsof Coaches dot com. And you heard
that first segment. Billy has hehas been literally all over the world and
got a strong heart for the Lordand him and his wife, Cindy college
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sweethearts, and together they're very passionateabout serving the Lord and advancing the Kingdom.
Billy is the second segment. Wealways ask people to share their testimony
and if you would be so kind. Yeah, So I grew up in
Philadelphia. Go Eagles, Fly,Go Fly, and yeah, you're going
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to have no you might not makeit till the end of the show,
right. Anyway, I grew up, you know, kind of I think,
like a lot of people. Andwhen I was six years old,
my dad, I believe, developedkind of a lot of just drinking issues,
gambling issues, and so he madethe decision to leave our family.
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And one night he was gone,and the next day, I don't think
any mom hopes, Wow, I'mgonna have a six year old and a
four year old and I'm on myown. And within about eighteen months of
my dad's decision, we were livingpretty much in abject poverty. So in
the state of Pennsylvania, that wouldinclude like Section eight housing housing for the
poor, welfare, the CHIP program, which is the insurance program. But
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for me, you know, themost difficult was as I went through middle
school. Back then, they wouldstill call up students to go and get
the punch card for their free lunchesthat week, and she'd have to get
up out of your chair, leaveyour homeroom. I used to call it
the walk of shame. I'd haveto go down to the main office and
get this card that allowed me toeat lunch for free. And for three
months I didn't move, and theneventually hunger one out, you know,
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And so I made that long walk. And what it taught me is it
gave me some really great instincts andsome really great motivation and survival instincts.
But at the same time, therewas this aspect and pastor Ken you may
kind of resonate with this, therewas this aspect of shame that was also
growing. So there was this likethis great side of motivation and conquer the
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world, and you know, I'mgoing to make a difference. And yet
there was this other side. Butit wasn't dark and Deessa. It was
just different. It was the sideof shame, right And to me,
you know, shame affects every aspectof our personal lives and our vocational endeavors.
It really seeks to destroy our identityin Christ, and it wants to
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replace our identity with a damaged versionof ourselves that ultimately results in unhealed pain
and brokenness. But what God doesis he comes in and says, listen,
I know what your past is.I'll meet you there, but I'll
not let you going to stay there, right, And so I came to
know Christ working. My mom sentme to a Christian camp because our next
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door neighbor was check this out.He was eighty six. He was working
for a ministry called the Gideons.You know they do like Bibles and hotels,
and he went to my mom andjust say, you're a single mom.
If you want your kids to goto a camp for a week,
I'll pay for it. And Imean it could have been any camp my
mom was sending us, and itjust so happened to be a Christian camp.
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And a gentleman who is a juniorat Penn State University was a counselor
that summer, and I heard thegospel message that first night, went outside
the chapel and I prayed to receiveChrist. And that was a transformational moment
because I went from not having adad because I don't really have any memories
of him, to all of asudden having a father that cares for me
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deeply, who's good and caring.And yet there was still that attack of
shame, right, so, youknow, kind of fast forward through high
school. I was a good athlete, played soccer, had the opportunity play
in college, played overseas for acouple of years, but shame is still
kind of nipping at my heels.And it wasn't until my mid to late
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twenties that I finally had like amoment where I realized that if that didn't
get under control, it was goingto train wreck the rest of my life,
just like I had seen from alot of other family members. I
was the first to go to collegeof twenty two cousins before me, growing
up in a school parent family,and so you know, those were really
critical years after college played soccer,loved it. And that's kind of where
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once once the aspect of shame wassettled, I started to realize that God
is a redemptive god, right,and his redemption comes in powerful ways.
And I kind of believe now thatsome of the best leaders are leaders who
have gone through a season of difficulty. I think God uses broken leaders.
I think he uses broken leaders notonly to transform their life, but to
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be an influence and to provide aprocess in the transformation of other lives.
Right, And so to me,The whole idea of redemptive leadership rests on
the hope that out of ashes ourlives and our influence emerges, and God
uses all the events of our lives, both the good and the bad,
the positive and the negative, likethe stuff that we've done that we're ashamed
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of and the stuff that was justkind of like I didn't pick to be
raised in a single parent family.We spent many weekends at the casino because
my mom, who has since passedaway, believed that our ticket out of
poverty was through a slot machine.But ma'am, once I found the goodness
of God and I could reconcile thatshame that was chasing after me, it
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has been an unbelievable journey. Itaught at a Bible college, I was
on staff at a large church,and over the past seven years, I've
been working with Nations Coaches, whichis just an unbelievable and terrific ministry that
puts men and women like me inDivision one two three junior college NIA programs
where we come alongside coaches and loveplayers and coaches, and we pray for
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the opportunity to point people to Christ. So that's kind of my story I'll
just can I end with this onestatement. Yes, Jim Elliott is a
famous missionary who lost his life inEcuador, and he penned these words.
He said, he is no foolwho gives what he cannot keep to gain
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what he cannot lose. And sohonestly, I just want to be a
person. I don't want to befoolish. I want to give what I
can't keep because I've been given somuch to gain what i can't lose.
Oh, Billy, that's powerful,and uh man, thank you for sharing
that. And you know, whenyou're talking about the you know, the
heartache that you went through growing upand so forth, and then how God
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uses many that have been broken,it reminded me of the words of R.
A. Tory when he's when hewrote he said, it's doubtful God
will use anyone unless he hurts himdeeply. And you think of so many
that are being used of God whohave gone through heartaches and difficult, difficult
times, whether it's you know,physically, or whether it's relationally or or
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even ministerially. And to see tosee how God can can take the broken,
you know, the apostle Paul said, Hey, I need help here.
I need you to take care ofan issue I haven't God told.
He asked him three times, andGod said no, And he said,
yeah, your grace will be sufficientin my weakness. So we need a
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lord. I grew up Yeah,yeah, I grew up in an environment
where asking for help was a signof weakness, not a sign of strength.
Yeah. You know, I leavethat for a long time, and
I don't believe that anymore. Butyeah, so it's been quite a journey.
We are talking with Billy Dunn again, character coach and Nations of Coaches
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he handles the Pennsylvania area. Goto Nations of Coaches dot com Nations of
Coaches dot com for any information onthat organization or on Billy. Billy.
Do you remember the man's name whoinvited and paid for you for you to
go to that summer camp. Yeah, his name was Glenn, And like
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there was kind of like this thingin our in our little area, and
we lived in a in a verypoor area where you know, because of
his age and what he did,like there was just this like uncertainty about
him. You know, I neverhad the opportunity to go back and thank
him, And I don't know thathe's alive. But what it did is
my fifth grade teacher at that time. His name was Doug Henning. Great
guy. He kind of took meunder his wing a little bit. I
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mean not a ton, but justenough to kind of give me a man
to look up to and think like, that's the kind of guy I want
to be someday. And so mywife and I've been married for thirty one
years, got two great kids,and man, I'm living the dream every
single day. But I'll just tellyou this, if you're feeling like shame
is chasing you, there's victory inChrist. Yeah. Absolutely, Amen,
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Billy. There was a young manthis is years ago, that I picked
up every day for school and hewas on the basketball team that I coached,
and spent an entire year picking himup at a certain time every day
getting into school. And the lastday of his senior year, I pulled
over about two blocks from the highschool and I said, look, we've
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done this. We spent a lotof time together in the car and I'm
wondering what we learned from this experience. And he said, well, you
go first. And I talked abouthim being in a single home and he
was going to be the first fromhis family to go to college. And
I said, so it can bedone. He said, Coach, it's
hard. I said, I knowit's hard, but you did it.
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I'm really proud of you. AndI said, what did you learn?
And I'll never get this. Hesaid, You're the first man in my
life. He said, I'm eighteenyears old. You're the first man in
my life that made a commitment tome and stuck with it. Like you
told me. You be in frontof my house every day at seven fifteen
in the morning, and I keptlooking out the window to see the first
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two weeks if you were telling methe truth or not. As a coach,
this is the first time ever inmy life that a man had made
a commitment to me and stuck withit. And I was able to say
to him, well, that's thedefinition of a man, isn't that.
Isn't that what we're supposed to be. And we talked a lot about the
Bible, we talked a lot aboutour faith. But I was so heartbroken
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for this kid. I didn't realizethat, but that you know the fact
that this Glenn said, hey,come, you know, come to camp.
I'll pay for it, and whatevercamp it was going to be you
were going to go, and thefact that it was a Christian camp and
you heard for the first time somebody'stestimony, and that in itself has changed
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your complete life. And I thankGlen for being being open enough to say,
hey, come on, I'll pickup the cost down this, come
to this camp with me. Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was
unbelievable. Yeah, it was amazing. You know, it's interesting. A
couple of years ago, the HarvardBusiness Review, which is kind of like
the magazine of all magazines when itcomes to like businesses and growth and strategic
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planning, they did this comprehensive assessmenton like leaders in the way that they
lead. And here's what they found. They found that leaders who actually lead
more out of their failures and theirchallenges and their mistakes are much more inspiring
than those who lead out of theirsuccess. And so even in kind of
like more of the secular business world, a more humble, broken posture is
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kind of the winning posture. Andyou know, I'm grateful to have learned
that. Man. He again,he is Billy Donne, And I want
to thank Pete Worry. And Ican tell you that Pete had nothing but
good things to say about you behindyour back, and I told him we
might rip you a little bit.He said, go ahead, I said,
Pastor Ken's going to be there.He said, all right, hold
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on, now, let me thinkabout this for sure. He is.
Billy done. We're gonna get toa break. Other side of the break,
Billy, are you still you're doingsome things with the Center Consulting Group.
Yeah, yeah, we're doing alittle bit. Yeah, we're gonna
talk a little bit about that onthe other side of the break. And
at the end of the show,we'll ask Billy that question. All the
uniforms he's ever put on, whatuniform does he pull out? Go ahead,
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past her, I know what you'rethinking. It's gonna be soccer,
right, uh yeah, maybe soccer. Maybe it could be in basketball when
his coach put him in a twothree zone they upset a team. Let's
get to a break. This isfaith. This just Faith in the Zone.
I'm a Big nine twenty and youriHeart Radio app. Walcome back to
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Faith in the Zone on the Bignine twenty in your iHeartRadio app. Coming
from the Donovan to Jorganson Heating andCooling Studio. Mike McGivern. That's Pastor
ken Keltner. We've lost our guest. He's no longer on the show.
Got a great line. Billy Dunncharacter coach Nations of Coaches and maybe one
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of my favorite guys. Now Iwish we were recording. He gave us
the whole gopack during the break,go to Nations of Coaches dot com.
We got to that conditioning company becausethere's a lot of Yeah, well,
hey, you should come to theearly service at brookshotcause there's a few a
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pastor preaching and sometimes he goes reallylong. You know those Baptist ministers,
right, it's yeah, come onnow, Pastor Mike wants to put the
clock of shame around my neck.Yeah, come on, now, come
on, pastor. Hey, Billy, the Center Center Consulting Group is somebody
that you're still doing some stuff with. Can you talk a little bit about
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that organization and what you guys do. Yeah, So the Center was started
twenty years ago and basically it's aChristian consulting firm that exists to advance the
organizational health of churches, nonprofits,and businesses that are owned by a person
who has a faith in Christ.So a business is an inherently Christian,
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but the individual who's leading it mightand they want us to come in and
we do a lot of different things. We do assessments, we do strategic
planning, executive coaching. I personallyhave done a ton of crisis guidance over
the past five years churches that findthemselves in difficulty. We help churches think
through strategies on how to bring insome talent. We do staffing in HR,
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succession planning, team building, andthen I started something pretty cool a
couple of years ago. We doa program twice a year in the summer
and in the fall called ELI andAccelerate, and it's kind of like a
leadership intensive for emerging leaders. Thefirst program is like twenty to twenty four
year olds. The Accelerate program istwenty seven to thirty five year olds.
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And so it's kind of a greatway to compliment the work that I do
with nations and coaches. But makeno mistake, like the impact of Nations
of Coaches that they are having withcoaches and players is just absolutely incredible.
Yeah, Billy, I got totell you, I am so I'm just
very impressed with the work and thepeople that we've talked to from nations of
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coaches and just the scope of thethings that you guys do is really impressive
with that, and one day we'llhave you back on to learn more about
the Center Consulting Group, because Ithink that you know that work is extremely
important as well. And I lovethe fact that you know when you talked
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about pushed the rock and you said, look, I like to hire people
and then kind of move on againand find other avenues. I don't really
know when you sleep, and I'mnot I'm quite sure that you know Cindy
knows when you sleep either, ButI love the fact that you know in
your bio it's not just you,it's talking about you and your family and
talking about Cindy together working on this. What are your kids' names? By
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the way, Julia is twenty four. She's a school teacher in Philly,
went to Temple University, lives inOld City. And then my son is
seventeen. And actually last night wejust met with the Marine recruiter and he
officially shook his hand and has committedto headed to the Marines in one year
when he graduates from high school.And what is his first name? His
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first name is Bryce Bryce Man.Good for you. I can hear it
all. Congratulations. Please tell Brycethat you know we said thank you for
his service. And Julia's doing whatgrade does she teach? She teaches second
grade. She's had a terrific impact. And what's crazy is, you know,
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she could have gone a lot ofplaces, but the Lord really put
on her heart at a young agea passion for urban education. While she
was in college, she was kindof leading a small group, and many
of the girls in that small groupfrom her freshman through senior year had gone
through like unspeakable tragedies, including onewho actually watched her father murder her mother.
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And so she just became really passionateabout the being an advocate for urban
education. So she's a phenomenal secondgrade teacher and she's actually headed to grad
school and she'll teach in about fouror five weeks. That's awesome, Billy.
We've had a number of people onthat are chaplains for baseball teams and
other sports teams, and I knowthat that's something that you did in the
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past, and including for the PhiladelphiaPhillies. And you know, we both
Pastor and I think so highly ofbaseball Chapel and that the work that they
do and we understand that, youknow, we don't talk about individual players,
but we talk about the overall scopeof baseball. Chapelain what a great
job that they do. And Ithink you would agree that that organization,
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and it's just continued to expand.I think, as good a job as
anybody for the work that they're doing, I would agree with you. Yeah.
I mean when I was working inthe Phillies organization, you would do
chapel kind of on a Sunday fourtimes. You would do chapel for the
home team. I would do chapelfor the visiting team. You would do
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chapel for some of the workers beforethey got started and the gates were open.
And probably the most intriguing one wasyou do chapel for the umpires.
You know, so they're getting theirgear on and they're getting the baseball's ready
with the mud that they put onit, and you're just kind of sitting
there going all right, laard,here we go. But man, those
are some rich times. Actually inreading, they still do three or four
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faith nights. I kind of helpedget that going, I don't know,
ten fifteen years ago, and itwas great. I do remember there was
one player that they had and hehad signed for a very hefty signing bonus,
and I won't mention his name.I just remember picking him up at
the airport and taking him out todinner and thinking, this guy could buy
my dinner for one hundred nights ina row. And you know, Baseball
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chapel had this whole perspective where like, we pay for our own and I
actually paid for his. But theopportunities there were terrific and actually kind of
really prepared me for the work thatI'm doing with nations of coaches now.
Yeah, and you know, we'vehad some great, great stories of guys
that have come to the Lord throughthrough the baseball chapels. And I remember
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years ago the Milwaukee chaplain told usabout Corey Hart and he said Corey wouldn't
really come and talk to me oranything through the year. And at spring
training he said, I watched him. I thought, is that Corey Hart
coming at me? And he goesit sure was, and he goes,
hey, I want you to knowI sent my girls to a Christian school
and they came home every day talkingto me about John three sixteen how I
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could live with God. One dayhe said, so I went, should
know I've made that decision, andhe uh, and the chaplain had a
great opportunity to continue to minister toCorey Hart. Yeah. The A j
Ellis one for me was the funniest. A j Ellis was talking and and
him and Buster Posey where he wentto baseball chapel that day and aj was
catching, and Buster Posey got hegot in the batter's box and and aj
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said, hey, what boy wasat a great chapel going to the Book
of Ephesians. And aj Alis tooka time, you know, took time
on He goes to stop right,I'm trying to concentrate here, and he
keeps talking and talking about the Bookof Episians what they went over in baseball
chapel, and A j Ellis said, that's us Christian's talking smack right there.
I was trying to get him offhis game. And Buster said,
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yeah, he goes, Hey,I talked to you later about that passage,
but right now I'm getting ready toface one of the best pictures in
all the baseball Yeah, that's that'sawesome, very very uh impressed with with
what baseball Chapel does and and howstrong they they are still doing it.
And I know that to Mickey Westonand his wife handled the Chicago White Sox,
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and he's part of UPI and heruns UPI. In fact, I
don't know if you're familiar with UPIat all, Billy, but Tom Royce
started it and Tom's been a greatfriend to me and a pastor and to
this show. And both Mickey andhis wife have been guests on Faith in
the Zone and they just continue towork hard through Baseball Chapel and try to
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spread the word. And certainly hesaid, you know some players if they
go oh for twenty, they thinkif they come to Chapel, that's going
to be a good luck chart.He said, I don't care why they
come. That's okay. If that'swhat you want to think, just come
on to do it. Do youmiss doing that with the Phillies? You
know, Like I think God givesyou like different seasons. Maybe I'm wired
in such a way where like there'sjust new opportunities and new territory to conquer.
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You know. Last July, Ihad the opportunity to sit with the
new head football coach at Lehigh universitywho is a terrific guy, and he
said, Hey, I'd love foryou to think about doing what you do
with men's basketball with our football team. So I connected with two players.
We started offering chapel for football onThursday nights. Right, So they got
about ninety guys on the team,and we would consistently have twenty five.
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They've never had this before. Andonce, you know, on a Thursday
in October last year, we hadseven of those twenty five guys come to
christ one night and we did awhole profestful message on salvation. And it's
just been terrific to see guys theway sports has opened the door for opportunities.
Right. It's the tool we useto proclaim the good news. And
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I often say, Man, ifyou take a football anywhere in the world,
soccer ball, a basketball anywhere inthe world, you're going to track
kids. And I love it.And so when I think about the words
in the New Testament that physical traininghas some value, I love that.
But Godliness has value for all things, holding promises for both today and for
the future. Amen, here's Billydone again. Character Coachure Nations of Coaches
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Regional Director for Pennsylvania. For theNations of Coaches. You can go to
Nations of Coaches dot Com to learnmore about Billy and at the bottom of
his bio there is a tab thatif you feel led, if you're feeling
led to help him out, pleasedo so because this ministry that he is
involved in, they are doing somegreat things throughout the country, especially in
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Pennsylvania, in his area and certainlyat Lehigh. When you can get to
a break other side of the break, we'll ask Billy done all the uniforms
he's ever put on, which onedoes he pull out? And will do
that on the other side of thebreak. This is Faith in the Zone
on the Big nine twenty in youriHeart Radio app. Welcome back to Faith
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in the Zone on the Big nineto twenty in your iHeartRadio App. I'm
Mike McGivern alongside Pastor Ken Keltner brooksSide Baptist Church. Our special guests.
He is Billy Dunn. He isa character coach Lehigh University. For the
Nations of Coaches, go to Nationsof Coach Billy. This is a throwaway
question that we started a number ofyears ago and we just really enjoy getting
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the answer to this question. Allthe uniforms you've ever put on in your
entire life, from little league baseballto pee wee soccer, you put them
in a closet and you get topick one uniform out to get one more
game with that team. Which uniformis it? Who do you play against?
And why? Man, that isa great question. Well, first
of all, thank you so muchfor having me. I really admire the
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work that you do, and thepeople who get the opportunity to listen each
week are incredibly blessed. And soI'm going to go in a little bit
of a different direction. I apologize, like, if you need me to
circle back, I will. Butgrowing up without a dad, growing up
in a single parent family, thething that my heart longed foremost was family.
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And so the uniform that I wouldput on would be when my daughter
was ten years old and I hadthe privilege of being her soccer coach,
and she would walk off the fieldwith ponytails and a little bit of like
ice cream still on her lip.And those are some of the most moments,
you know. So for me,it's actually not what I played,
it's the experience that I had beingable to coach my daughter actually for a
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number of years in the game ofsoccer and a couple of years in basketball.
Of all of them, that's why. And you know, when you
grow up without a really functional family, So my dad left, my mom
really struggled and had a gambling addiction. You longed for something right that God,
I think innately puts in you.Right. It's a part of what
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you long for right is to bea part of family and community. And
so when I finally kind of realizedthat I had been given the greatest gift
by being at that time her dadand my son bryce that that, to
me is the uniform that I wouldwant to put on. It's a great
answer, Billy, it's a greatanswer. Hey, and we only have
a short time. Was there amoment in your life when you know,
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maybe excuse me you and send youwere dating that you had to think in
your head that, man, Igot to break this cycle, this cycle
that I did. Yeah, I'velived and you have broken that cycle.
And I congratulate you for that.Well, you know what it was really
like, it was God's work becauseI would not be able to break that
level of craziness by myself. ButI will tell you this. I had
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a friend come to me. Iwas like mid twenties and he just said,
Billy, listen, I love you, I care for you. You've
got a lot of skills. Buthe said, if you don't get some
of these things right, And whathe was really just saying was this whole
idea of shame. I mean,I'd love to go more into the detail
at some point if somebody ever wantsto, You're not going this is not
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going to go well for you.And I took him seriously and I did
the hard work over that next yearor two to really understand what that meant
for me and some of the thingsthat I needed to make adjustments in in
my life. And you know,in some ways I have not looked back.
So I would like to do onemore thing. I apologize, but
can can I give my email ifsomething listening is like that's me and I
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need to talk to somebody like,I will call each person. I will
reach out to each person that connectswith me. My email is really simple.
It's Billy done four two four atgmail dot com. B I L
L Y d U N N fourtwo four at gmail dot com. And
guys, I am so committed toseeing men and women, but the men
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that I work with be freed fromthe idea of Shane and having to live
like this, this imposter syndrome,and then we can live this freedom in
Christ and the resounding and the triumphantway is kind of what I'm all about.
And I'll if I get fifty emails, I'll respond to all fifty.
Amen again, Billy done four twofour at gmail dot com. Billy done
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four two four at gmail dot com. Send Billy an email and nothing else.
Thank him for the time that he'sgiven us on faith in his own
It's just been a really good hour. Billy. Thanks a lot for your
time. I really appreciate it.Passwords, good to see you. Yeah,
great seeing you, and thank youBilly. Great testimony. We'll keep
praying that God will use you ina great way. Appreciate it. Guys.
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I love you. You gotta loveyou too. This is Faith and
the Zone on the Big nine twentyin your iHeartRadio app.
Welcome to Faith in the Zone.I'm the Big nine twenty in your iHeartRadio
app. I Mike McGivern alongside.He's back. Pastor Ken Caltoner from Brookside
Baptist Church. Were coming from theDinovan to Jordanson Heating and Cooling Studios.
Pastor Ken, how you been It'sbeen a bit. Yeah, it has
been a bit, Mike, andgood to be back. And good to
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be back in the States. Beentraveling overseas a little bit. Needs you
to come with me do some basketballcamps over in the Dominican Republic. How
did the trip go the teens?You guys had a good trip. Yeah,
I had a great trip. Uh. The only real big hiccup is
our intern Jesse didn't have He hadhis palowing passport, yes and all that,
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but they immigration over there wouldn't lethim in. They put him back
on the plane, send him backto the States, And so I was
really counting on him on a lotof the basketball and some of the speaking
stuff. So I belt lost myvoice on the first night trying to try
to get corral ninety kids in ayouth rally that were little rambunctious, and
the little boy walked up to me, and you know, my translator wasn't
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as enthusiastic as I was. Theycouldn't really hear him. The little boy
walks up and goes knowing Lace,knowing Lace, I go, well,
no aspin yo man. Overall theteas had a good trip, and you
know we did and we saw wesaw some yeah, many opportunities talk to
people about their own eternal destiny andhow they can know they can live with
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God. So that was powerful.Well, it's so good to have you
back in studio. I have totell you a couple of weeks ago when
you were gone. So what happenson faith in the zone is the funnel
sometimes gets a little bit light,right, Sometimes we'll have six seven guests
for the next six seven weeks,and then sometimes that funnel gets a little
light. And Tom Roy's always beena guy we've gone to. Well,
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I call Pete weary and I didtalk to Pete for about a good forty
five minutes, and he certainly said, you know, please see how to
can for me. Tell him Imiss him. And you know his sons
would have been better players if theywould have come to me. And you
know, all the lot of stuffthat Pete with you know, good old
you know Pete with that home cookingup at Northfland. He got all the
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calls of there and I said,Pete, here's what's going on. I'd
love to have you back on.And you've been on a couple of times,
but the funnel is really light,and I'm looking at at your website,
Nations of Coaches, and there's anumber of guys that I'd love to
be able to reach out. We'vehad on a number of guys over the
years. Mike Lightfoot has been on, Kelly Kennedy, We've had on a
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couple of times. Tim Carter hasbeen on. But there are guys on
this that I don't believe we've hadon, and Billy Dunn is one of
them. Last week we had GraysonWakefeet and Grayson's a young guy character coach
coordinator for Nations of Coaches. He'stwenty three, twenty four years old and
pastor. It was a great show. Here's a young guy that had that
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you know, went through some journeyand came out on the other end on
fire for the Lord. His wife'son fire for the Lord. And just
I like having those young people thatthat figured this out a lot sooner than
I did. And Grayson's one ofthose. And today for today's show,
we've got Billy dunnjoining us. He'sthe character coach Nations of Coaches and he
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is in Pennsylvania and he's the regionaldirector of Pennsylvania four Nations of Coaches.
Billy done, how you doing today? I'm doing great? Thanks for having
me? Yeah, you bet Hey. We got to thank Pete Weary.
And what's cool is we can talkabout Pete behind his back a little bit
if we want. I got acouple of Pete wearing stories if you'd like
him. But you know, Peteand all kid in his side. He
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does a great job and he's onfire for the Lord and we're looking forward
to having him on in a fewweeks to kind of catch up with him
on how him and Lisa are doing, how the family's doing. But I
really appreciate your time today, Billy. Can we talk about how long you've
been with Nations of Coaches? Sure? Yeah, I started seven years ago
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as the character coach at Lehigh University, which is where see McCullum graduated from.
Some of you who are basketball fansmight remember six years ago Lee High
had one of the great upsets inthe NCAA Tournament, beating Duke in the
first round. And so I wasthe character coach for six years and a
year ago. I continue in thatrole, but I've also added trying to
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expands and coaches into the Northeast,so kind of like you know, Pennsylvania
and New York, all that stuff, all the way up to Vermont,
New Hampshire. You know, aswe're talking to Billy, and I didn't
ask him if this is okay,so hopefully this is. But as we're
talking to Billy done again. Theregional director of Pennsylvania for Nations of Coaches.
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If you go on their website NationsOffcoaches dot com and go to their
team, you'll see Billy's bio andat the bottom it has to support Billy
tab If you're feeling led to helphim continue in this ministry that he has,
please feel free and whether it's twentybucks or fifty bucks, whatever it
is, will really help Billy continuein in doing what he does for Nations
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of Coaches. Hey, when youwere at Lehigh University for the men's basketball
team, did you feel like oneday you might make that jump to get
involved with nations of coaches. No. I actually I came to Lehigh that
first year seven years ago as thecharacter coach. I just knew, you
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know, I have a love forthe game, but my love for Christ
and seeing young men experience freedom inChrist is much more important than to me
than the execution of a complex zoneor a ball screen coverage. And so
for me, like, I've lovedevery second of it. It's been terrific.
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Hey, hey, Billy, helpus out. Maybe some aren't real
familiar with what a character coach wouldbe involved in. I mean, like,
how how how close of content doyou get to have with the players
and the program itself. Yeah,well, you know, at first,
this term some of you may haveheard of it. It's called the Ministry
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of Presence. And I can't saythat I was super familiar with it.
And so I got the lead Highthat first year, and you know,
I didn't really know any of theplayers. I didn't know any of the
administration. I was just getting toknow the coaches, and the first three
or four months, I don't wantto say it was lonely, but it
was quiet. And then as Istarted getting to know players and administration,
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and the coaches. You know,things just kind of opened up. So
some of the areas that we focusin primarily would be like doing character moments
for the team, speaking into leadershipdevelopment for the team. I personally do
a lot of different things. Ido like a camp twice a year for
our coaches kids so that our coachesand their wives can have like a full
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day. We do Bible studies,we do chapel. So the goal isn't
just like character. I mean,ultimately, for me, the goal is
to be able to see young mencome to know Christ as their savior.
But it's a variety of things.I guess if I could summarize it though,
it's really an act of serving.Like we come and we serve at
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the pleasure of the head coach andthe coaching staff. So I've picked up
water bottles, I've swept the floor, I've made runs to the emergency room
with the player who's got a tooththat doesn't look right or a broken no.
I mean, I've done it all, and that's kind of just what
we do. We're there to serve. First man, I appreciate that definition.
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You know, being present I thinkis so important and until people you
know understand that you're not going anywhere, and they might not want to talk
to you today, and they mightnot want to talk to you tomorrow,
but sometime next week or next monthor next year, and they see you
there all the time, and you'reyou know, you're there in case they
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need to come see you. AndI think that's so important and I love
that definition of being a character coachat Nations of Coaches, Hey, Billy,
and we don't know if it wasyou or not, but years ago
we talked to somebody from Push theRock Ministry and that's something did you found?
Are you the founder? I've Pushedthe Rock. I am the founder.
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I like starting things, but Ilike getting other people involved so I
can go and do something different.But yeah, So about twenty five years
ago, I was playing soccer overseasand just felt, I don't know,
a prompting of the spirit to launcha sports ministry and the goal of Push
the Rock. There's a lot ofdifferent opportunities, but our primary goal is
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to help churches and missionaries kind offurther their influence in the community by running
sports camps, being kind of competitiveteams into the community. So I've traveled,
I think I've been to fifty fivecountries now around the world where we've
used a variety of sports tools toproclaim the good news and point people to
Christ through sports. It's been awesome. It's been great. And Push the
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Rock continues now. I'm on theirwebsite right now and it continues. And
you've got to be very happy.You're your baby's gotten bigger. It's uh
yeah, it's it's probably even.It might be in college now, you
know, it's eating a lot offood. No, I'm just kidding,
but no, it's great. Imean we've got I think we have like
fifty staff now that make up Pushthe Rock across eight countries around the world,
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a lot here in the US,but in Costa Rica, Brazil,
Guatemala, Tenerife, or Spain.We've done a lot of work in Italy
and Africa. And part of thework that we do overseas is to get
the work to a place where wecan turn it back to the indigenous people
of that community, that town,that church, and so the sooner that
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we can establish something and then handsit off kind of the better off.
We're going to be Big Billy.So you're talking about with Push the Rock,
so you do all kinds of sports. It's not just basketball. It
could be soccer, it could bebaseball sports. Yeah, I mean interestingly
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enough, you know it's great.I'm not saying that I'm a part of
it, but there are some peoplewho do like sword fighting and we've found
a way to do that. Soyeah, kind of like any tool or
mechanism that would resonate in a particularcommunity. Can I give you just a
quick example. We were in atown in Romania called Crayova Slatina, kind
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of right next to each other,and we came in to serve a missionary.
So we do a camp for theweek, and on Thursday night we
were playing a basketball game against oneof their top pro teams, and it
was just a very unsettled crowd.They were throwing the little stones at us
and making root comments and things,and you know, the person there said
maybe we shouldn't go back the nextnight. I said, oh, no,
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we're going back. We're going back. I like that. Yeah,
And we just prayed, like Lord, would you just move in a way
that would bring people to the tothe court. We had several thousand individuals.
We played the game. At halftime, we did the the y Wham,
like the wordless Drama, two playersshared their testimony. We had a
gospel presentation, and the person whoshared the gospel with us all week was
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actually the local pastor. The nextSunday his church doubled. It doubled in
one week and that and that wasour goal. People saw him as the
person meeting in need in that community, not us, because we went back
home and it's been terrific ever since, and so and so the Lord answered
the prayer. They weren't throwing rocksat you the next night. No,
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Actually it was actually the total opposite. I mean, if you could have
compared the two nights, it wouldbe as far different as you could imagine.
Like Thursday night was tough, youcould feel the spiritual warfare a little
bit. But man, Friday nightwas just beautiful and we had a lot
of people praying for us. Actually, I'll just share with you one more
story that that next week we flewfor Romania to Russia. We landed on
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a Sunday. We had three flightdelays. It was miserable. We were
up all night and we had agame that Sunday night, and actually a
group of us had gone back tothe hotel. We got beat up by
a bunch of skinheads. There weresix of us walking back, very serious,
very traumatic. Well, the governmentof Russia was so embarrassed by what
had happened that they assigned like threeor four of their top police and military
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people to be with us for theweek. At the end of the week,
you wouldn't In my office, Istill have a picture of me and
those four guys, and you knowwhat, They're all holding sports bibles and
they were just smiling from ear toear. And then I get home and
an eighty eight year old woman,her name was Gertrud, came up to
me and she said, in avery Pennsylvania Dutch accent, Billy, what
time did you get beat up?And I said, well, let me
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figure out the time difference. Isaid it was about six thirty. She
pulls out her prayer journal and sheshows me at two thirty in the morning
Eastern Standard time, God had stirredher from her sleep to pray for our
team. She didn't know why I'mreading this now at this point, I've
got tears in my eyes, andlike, these are the kind of things
that God just can do that noneof us could script yeap, Ye'll be
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right. You know, Pastor,we have the conversation and you believe I
mean, you just got back tothe Dominican Republic right as he's the head
pastor at Brookside Baptist Church, alsothe youth pastor until we find a youth
pastor to come into Brookside Baptist Churchand take that job from you. And
you've jumped in both feet. You'vedone that in the past, jumped in.
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But we've had conversations with guys likeBilly dunnl like we're talking to now,
and the smile on your face andhow you sit up in your chair
when people talk about utilizing sport tospread the word all over the world.
So it's it's just right in yourheart. Yeah. And I can't wait
for you to join me next summerin the dr where a basketball camp,
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Mike, I mean, is thatgoing to be awesome? Is going to
be awesome? Man, I lookforward to that. I pretty sure my
wife would not a lot already talkto you. She would talk to you
much. And I talked to yourwife morning. She Oh, that would
be exciting. She's two days withouta thing. Come on, Billy talk,
It's life changing think about being awayfrom me for two days. You
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wouldn't do that to Terry. She'dbe like, you should go for a
month. That's what she would besaying. Hey, Billy, last thing,
so I'm reading your bio. Youyou were a high school basketball coach
and you would talk to your firstline. You said something about a complicated
zone. And understand that I coachedbasketball a long time pastor coach. He
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always wanted me to play that Syracusetwo three. Well, our biggest kid
was six three. We we don'thave six nine wings that can cover that.
And when you said zone, helit up like a Christmas tree.
I'm a man, the man guy, Billy. If you want to continue
on faith in the zone, youcan't be talking about zones anymore. Well,
listen, when you bring your offenseagainst my matchup two three and my
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ex four knows how to cross overto the court and take the overload,
You're done. No, trust me, trust that made my day. Man,
Billy. You don't want to bringthat weak Pennsylvania stuff up here.
You want no part of me,No, sir, that two three zone.
I know exactly what we would run, and trust me, I'd get
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you out of that zone in aboutsix possessions. Then there's no doubt our
faith. Listen to me's talking specand you know I I used to I
used to. Uh, I usedto be a swordsman. What did he
say? Yeah, yeah, Igot a silver medal in uh in the
Wisconsin Swordsman contest. Well, areyou kidding me? I am kiddy.
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Can you imagine a boy my size? There's big territory for somebody to get
me with that sort, get toa break. Not supposed to lie on
Faith in the Zone. I've takenthat back. Our special guest he is
Billy Donne, character coach for Nationsof Coaches and he is a coordinator for
them in Pennsylvania and will continue withthe Billy. We'll ask him to share
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his testimony. He's the regional directorin Pennsylvania. This is Faith in the
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guest today. He is Billy Dunn. He's the regional director in Pennsylvania for
Nations of Coaches. Go to Nationsof Coaches dot com. And you heard
that first segment. Billy has hehas been literally all over the world and
got a strong heart for the Lordand him and his wife, Cindy college
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sweethearts, and together they're very passionateabout serving the Lord and advancing the Kingdom.
Billy is the second segment. Wealways ask people to share their testimony
and if you would be so kind. Yeah, So I grew up in
Philadelphia. Go Eagles, Fly,Go Fly, and yeah, you're going
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to have no you might not makeit till the end of the show,
right. Anyway, I grew up, you know, kind of I think,
like a lot of people. Andwhen I was six years old,
my dad, I believe, developedkind of a lot of just drinking issues,
gambling issues, and so he madethe decision to leave our family.
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And one night he was gone,and the next day, I don't think
any mom hopes, Wow, I'mgonna have a six year old and a
four year old and I'm on myown. And within about eighteen months of
my dad's decision, we were livingpretty much in abject poverty. So in
the state of Pennsylvania, that wouldinclude like Section eight housing housing for the
poor, welfare, the CHIP program, which is the insurance program. But
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for me, you know, themost difficult was as I went through middle
school. Back then, they wouldstill call up students to go and get
the punch card for their free lunchesthat week, and she'd have to get
up out of your chair, leaveyour homeroom. I used to call it
the walk of shame. I'd haveto go down to the main office and
get this card that allowed me toeat lunch for free. And for three
months I didn't move, and theneventually hunger one out, you know,
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And so I made that long walk. And what it taught me is it
gave me some really great instincts andsome really great motivation and survival instincts.
But at the same time, therewas this aspect and pastor Ken you may
kind of resonate with this, therewas this aspect of shame that was also
growing. So there was this likethis great side of motivation and conquer the
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world, and you know, I'mgoing to make a difference. And yet
there was this other side. Butit wasn't dark and Deessa. It was
just different. It was the sideof shame, right And to me,
you know, shame affects every aspectof our personal lives and our vocational endeavors.
It really seeks to destroy our identityin Christ, and it wants to
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replace our identity with a damaged versionof ourselves that ultimately results in unhealed pain
and brokenness. But what God doesis he comes in and says, listen,
I know what your past is.I'll meet you there, but I'll
not let you going to stay there, right, And so I came to
know Christ working. My mom sentme to a Christian camp because our next
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door neighbor was check this out.He was eighty six. He was working
for a ministry called the Gideons.You know they do like Bibles and hotels,
and he went to my mom andjust say, you're a single mom.
If you want your kids to goto a camp for a week,
I'll pay for it. And Imean it could have been any camp my
mom was sending us, and itjust so happened to be a Christian camp.
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And a gentleman who is a juniorat Penn State University was a counselor
that summer, and I heard thegospel message that first night, went outside
the chapel and I prayed to receiveChrist. And that was a transformational moment
because I went from not having adad because I don't really have any memories
of him, to all of asudden having a father that cares for me
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deeply, who's good and caring.And yet there was still that attack of
shame, right, so, youknow, kind of fast forward through high
school. I was a good athlete, played soccer, had the opportunity play
in college, played overseas for acouple of years, but shame is still
kind of nipping at my heels.And it wasn't until my mid to late
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twenties that I finally had like amoment where I realized that if that didn't
get under control, it was goingto train wreck the rest of my life,
just like I had seen from alot of other family members. I
was the first to go to collegeof twenty two cousins before me, growing
up in a school parent family,and so you know, those were really
critical years after college played soccer,loved it. And that's kind of where
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once once the aspect of shame wassettled, I started to realize that God
is a redemptive god, right,and his redemption comes in powerful ways.
And I kind of believe now thatsome of the best leaders are leaders who
have gone through a season of difficulty. I think God uses broken leaders.
I think he uses broken leaders notonly to transform their life, but to
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be an influence and to provide aprocess in the transformation of other lives.
Right, And so to me,The whole idea of redemptive leadership rests on
the hope that out of ashes ourlives and our influence emerges, and God
uses all the events of our lives, both the good and the bad,
the positive and the negative, likethe stuff that we've done that we're ashamed
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of and the stuff that was justkind of like I didn't pick to be
raised in a single parent family.We spent many weekends at the casino because
my mom, who has since passedaway, believed that our ticket out of
poverty was through a slot machine.But ma'am, once I found the goodness
of God and I could reconcile thatshame that was chasing after me, it
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has been an unbelievable journey. Itaught at a Bible college, I was
on staff at a large church,and over the past seven years, I've
been working with Nations Coaches, whichis just an unbelievable and terrific ministry that
puts men and women like me inDivision one two three junior college NIA programs
where we come alongside coaches and loveplayers and coaches, and we pray for
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the opportunity to point people to Christ. So that's kind of my story I'll
just can I end with this onestatement. Yes, Jim Elliott is a
famous missionary who lost his life inEcuador, and he penned these words.
He said, he is no foolwho gives what he cannot keep to gain
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what he cannot lose. And sohonestly, I just want to be a
person. I don't want to befoolish. I want to give what I
can't keep because I've been given somuch to gain what i can't lose.
Oh, Billy, that's powerful,and uh man, thank you for sharing
that. And you know, whenyou're talking about the you know, the
heartache that you went through growing upand so forth, and then how God
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uses many that have been broken,it reminded me of the words of R.
A. Tory when he's when hewrote he said, it's doubtful God
will use anyone unless he hurts himdeeply. And you think of so many
that are being used of God whohave gone through heartaches and difficult, difficult
times, whether it's you know,physically, or whether it's relationally or or
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even ministerially. And to see tosee how God can can take the broken,
you know, the apostle Paul said, Hey, I need help here.
I need you to take care ofan issue I haven't God told.
He asked him three times, andGod said no, And he said,
yeah, your grace will be sufficientin my weakness. So we need a
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lord. I grew up Yeah,yeah, I grew up in an environment
where asking for help was a signof weakness, not a sign of strength.
Yeah. You know, I leavethat for a long time, and
I don't believe that anymore. Butyeah, so it's been quite a journey.
We are talking with Billy Dunn again, character coach and Nations of Coaches
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he handles the Pennsylvania area. Goto Nations of Coaches dot com Nations of
Coaches dot com for any information onthat organization or on Billy. Billy.
Do you remember the man's name whoinvited and paid for you for you to
go to that summer camp. Yeah, his name was Glenn, And like
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there was kind of like this thingin our in our little area, and
we lived in a in a verypoor area where you know, because of
his age and what he did,like there was just this like uncertainty about
him. You know, I neverhad the opportunity to go back and thank
him, And I don't know thathe's alive. But what it did is
my fifth grade teacher at that time. His name was Doug Henning. Great
guy. He kind of took meunder his wing a little bit. I
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mean not a ton, but justenough to kind of give me a man
to look up to and think like, that's the kind of guy I want
to be someday. And so mywife and I've been married for thirty one
years, got two great kids,and man, I'm living the dream every
single day. But I'll just tellyou this, if you're feeling like shame
is chasing you, there's victory inChrist. Yeah. Absolutely, Amen,
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Billy. There was a young manthis is years ago, that I picked
up every day for school and hewas on the basketball team that I coached,
and spent an entire year picking himup at a certain time every day
getting into school. And the lastday of his senior year, I pulled
over about two blocks from the highschool and I said, look, we've
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done this. We spent a lotof time together in the car and I'm
wondering what we learned from this experience. And he said, well, you
go first. And I talked abouthim being in a single home and he
was going to be the first fromhis family to go to college. And
I said, so it can bedone. He said, Coach, it's
hard. I said, I knowit's hard, but you did it.
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I'm really proud of you. AndI said, what did you learn?
And I'll never get this. Hesaid, You're the first man in my
life. He said, I'm eighteenyears old. You're the first man in
my life that made a commitment tome and stuck with it. Like you
told me. You be in frontof my house every day at seven fifteen
in the morning, and I keptlooking out the window to see the first
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two weeks if you were telling methe truth or not. As a coach,
this is the first time ever inmy life that a man had made
a commitment to me and stuck withit. And I was able to say
to him, well, that's thedefinition of a man, isn't that.
Isn't that what we're supposed to be. And we talked a lot about the
Bible, we talked a lot aboutour faith. But I was so heartbroken
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for this kid. I didn't realizethat, but that you know the fact
that this Glenn said, hey,come, you know, come to camp.
I'll pay for it, and whatevercamp it was going to be you
were going to go, and thefact that it was a Christian camp and
you heard for the first time somebody'stestimony, and that in itself has changed
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your complete life. And I thankGlen for being being open enough to say,
hey, come on, I'll pickup the cost down this, come
to this camp with me. Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was
unbelievable. Yeah, it was amazing. You know, it's interesting. A
couple of years ago, the HarvardBusiness Review, which is kind of like
the magazine of all magazines when itcomes to like businesses and growth and strategic
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planning, they did this comprehensive assessmenton like leaders in the way that they
lead. And here's what they found. They found that leaders who actually lead
more out of their failures and theirchallenges and their mistakes are much more inspiring
than those who lead out of theirsuccess. And so even in kind of
like more of the secular business world, a more humble, broken posture is
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kind of the winning posture. Andyou know, I'm grateful to have learned
that. Man. He again,he is Billy Donne, And I want
to thank Pete Worry. And Ican tell you that Pete had nothing but
good things to say about you behindyour back, and I told him we
might rip you a little bit.He said, go ahead, I said,
Pastor Ken's going to be there.He said, all right, hold
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on, now, let me thinkabout this for sure. He is.
Billy done. We're gonna get toa break. Other side of the break,
Billy, are you still you're doingsome things with the Center Consulting Group.
Yeah, yeah, we're doing alittle bit. Yeah, we're gonna
talk a little bit about that onthe other side of the break. And
at the end of the show,we'll ask Billy that question. All the
uniforms he's ever put on, whatuniform does he pull out? Go ahead,
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past her, I know what you'rethinking. It's gonna be soccer,
right, uh yeah, maybe soccer. Maybe it could be in basketball when
his coach put him in a twothree zone they upset a team. Let's
get to a break. This isfaith. This just Faith in the Zone.
I'm a Big nine twenty and youriHeart Radio app. Walcome back to
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Faith in the Zone on the Bignine twenty in your iHeartRadio app. Coming
from the Donovan to Jorganson Heating andCooling Studio. Mike McGivern. That's Pastor
ken Keltner. We've lost our guest. He's no longer on the show.
Got a great line. Billy Dunncharacter coach Nations of Coaches and maybe one
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of my favorite guys. Now Iwish we were recording. He gave us
the whole gopack during the break,go to Nations of Coaches dot com.
We got to that conditioning company becausethere's a lot of Yeah, well,
hey, you should come to theearly service at brookshotcause there's a few a
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pastor preaching and sometimes he goes reallylong. You know those Baptist ministers,
right, it's yeah, come onnow, Pastor Mike wants to put the
clock of shame around my neck.Yeah, come on, now, come
on, pastor. Hey, Billy, the Center Center Consulting Group is somebody
that you're still doing some stuff with. Can you talk a little bit about
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that organization and what you guys do. Yeah, So the Center was started
twenty years ago and basically it's aChristian consulting firm that exists to advance the
organizational health of churches, nonprofits,and businesses that are owned by a person
who has a faith in Christ.So a business is an inherently Christian,
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but the individual who's leading it mightand they want us to come in and
we do a lot of different things. We do assessments, we do strategic
planning, executive coaching. I personallyhave done a ton of crisis guidance over
the past five years churches that findthemselves in difficulty. We help churches think
through strategies on how to bring insome talent. We do staffing in HR,
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succession planning, team building, andthen I started something pretty cool a
couple of years ago. We doa program twice a year in the summer
and in the fall called ELI andAccelerate, and it's kind of like a
leadership intensive for emerging leaders. Thefirst program is like twenty to twenty four
year olds. The Accelerate program istwenty seven to thirty five year olds.
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And so it's kind of a greatway to compliment the work that I do
with nations and coaches. But makeno mistake, like the impact of Nations
of Coaches that they are having withcoaches and players is just absolutely incredible.
Yeah, Billy, I got totell you, I am so I'm just
very impressed with the work and thepeople that we've talked to from nations of
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coaches and just the scope of thethings that you guys do is really impressive
with that, and one day we'llhave you back on to learn more about
the Center Consulting Group, because Ithink that you know that work is extremely
important as well. And I lovethe fact that you know when you talked
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about pushed the rock and you said, look, I like to hire people
and then kind of move on againand find other avenues. I don't really
know when you sleep, and I'mnot I'm quite sure that you know Cindy
knows when you sleep either, ButI love the fact that you know in
your bio it's not just you,it's talking about you and your family and
talking about Cindy together working on this. What are your kids' names? By
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the way, Julia is twenty four. She's a school teacher in Philly,
went to Temple University, lives inOld City. And then my son is
seventeen. And actually last night wejust met with the Marine recruiter and he
officially shook his hand and has committedto headed to the Marines in one year
when he graduates from high school.And what is his first name? His
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first name is Bryce Bryce Man.Good for you. I can hear it
all. Congratulations. Please tell Brycethat you know we said thank you for
his service. And Julia's doing whatgrade does she teach? She teaches second
grade. She's had a terrific impact. And what's crazy is, you know,
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she could have gone a lot ofplaces, but the Lord really put
on her heart at a young agea passion for urban education. While she
was in college, she was kindof leading a small group, and many
of the girls in that small groupfrom her freshman through senior year had gone
through like unspeakable tragedies, including onewho actually watched her father murder her mother.
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And so she just became really passionateabout the being an advocate for urban
education. So she's a phenomenal secondgrade teacher and she's actually headed to grad
school and she'll teach in about fouror five weeks. That's awesome, Billy.
We've had a number of people onthat are chaplains for baseball teams and
other sports teams, and I knowthat that's something that you did in the
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past, and including for the PhiladelphiaPhillies. And you know, we both
Pastor and I think so highly ofbaseball Chapel and that the work that they
do and we understand that, youknow, we don't talk about individual players,
but we talk about the overall scopeof baseball. Chapelain what a great
job that they do. And Ithink you would agree that that organization,
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and it's just continued to expand.I think, as good a job as
anybody for the work that they're doing, I would agree with you. Yeah.
I mean when I was working inthe Phillies organization, you would do
chapel kind of on a Sunday fourtimes. You would do chapel for the
home team. I would do chapelfor the visiting team. You would do
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chapel for some of the workers beforethey got started and the gates were open.
And probably the most intriguing one wasyou do chapel for the umpires.
You know, so they're getting theirgear on and they're getting the baseball's ready
with the mud that they put onit, and you're just kind of sitting
there going all right, laard,here we go. But man, those
are some rich times. Actually inreading, they still do three or four
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faith nights. I kind of helpedget that going, I don't know,
ten fifteen years ago, and itwas great. I do remember there was
one player that they had and hehad signed for a very hefty signing bonus,
and I won't mention his name.I just remember picking him up at
the airport and taking him out todinner and thinking, this guy could buy
my dinner for one hundred nights ina row. And you know, Baseball
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chapel had this whole perspective where like, we pay for our own and I
actually paid for his. But theopportunities there were terrific and actually kind of
really prepared me for the work thatI'm doing with nations of coaches now.
Yeah, and you know, we'vehad some great, great stories of guys
that have come to the Lord throughthrough the baseball chapels. And I remember
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years ago the Milwaukee chaplain told usabout Corey Hart and he said Corey wouldn't
really come and talk to me oranything through the year. And at spring
training he said, I watched him. I thought, is that Corey Hart
coming at me? And he goesit sure was, and he goes,
hey, I want you to knowI sent my girls to a Christian school
and they came home every day talkingto me about John three sixteen how I
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could live with God. One dayhe said, so I went, should
know I've made that decision, andhe uh, and the chaplain had a
great opportunity to continue to minister toCorey Hart. Yeah. The A j
Ellis one for me was the funniest. A j Ellis was talking and and
him and Buster Posey where he wentto baseball chapel that day and aj was
catching, and Buster Posey got hegot in the batter's box and and aj
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said, hey, what boy wasat a great chapel going to the Book
of Ephesians. And aj Alis tooka time, you know, took time
on He goes to stop right,I'm trying to concentrate here, and he
keeps talking and talking about the Bookof Episians what they went over in baseball
chapel, and A j Ellis said, that's us Christian's talking smack right there.
I was trying to get him offhis game. And Buster said,
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yeah, he goes, Hey,I talked to you later about that passage,
but right now I'm getting ready toface one of the best pictures in
all the baseball Yeah, that's that'sawesome, very very uh impressed with with
what baseball Chapel does and and howstrong they they are still doing it.
And I know that to Mickey Westonand his wife handled the Chicago White Sox,
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and he's part of UPI and heruns UPI. In fact, I
don't know if you're familiar with UPIat all, Billy, but Tom Royce
started it and Tom's been a greatfriend to me and a pastor and to
this show. And both Mickey andhis wife have been guests on Faith in
the Zone and they just continue towork hard through Baseball Chapel and try to
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spread the word. And certainly hesaid, you know some players if they
go oh for twenty, they thinkif they come to Chapel, that's going
to be a good luck chart.He said, I don't care why they
come. That's okay. If that'swhat you want to think, just come
on to do it. Do youmiss doing that with the Phillies? You
know, Like I think God givesyou like different seasons. Maybe I'm wired
in such a way where like there'sjust new opportunities and new territory to conquer.
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You know. Last July, Ihad the opportunity to sit with the
new head football coach at Lehigh universitywho is a terrific guy, and he
said, Hey, I'd love foryou to think about doing what you do
with men's basketball with our football team. So I connected with two players.
We started offering chapel for football onThursday nights. Right, So they got
about ninety guys on the team,and we would consistently have twenty five.
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They've never had this before. Andonce, you know, on a Thursday
in October last year, we hadseven of those twenty five guys come to
christ one night and we did awhole profestful message on salvation. And it's
just been terrific to see guys theway sports has opened the door for opportunities.
Right. It's the tool we useto proclaim the good news. And
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I often say, Man, ifyou take a football anywhere in the world,
soccer ball, a basketball anywhere inthe world, you're going to track
kids. And I love it.And so when I think about the words
in the New Testament that physical traininghas some value, I love that.
But Godliness has value for all things, holding promises for both today and for
the future. Amen, here's Billydone again. Character Coachure Nations of Coaches
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Regional Director for Pennsylvania. For theNations of Coaches. You can go to
Nations of Coaches dot Com to learnmore about Billy and at the bottom of
his bio there is a tab thatif you feel led, if you're feeling
led to help him out, pleasedo so because this ministry that he is
involved in, they are doing somegreat things throughout the country, especially in
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Pennsylvania, in his area and certainlyat Lehigh. When you can get to
a break other side of the break, we'll ask Billy done all the uniforms
he's ever put on, which onedoes he pull out? And will do
that on the other side of thebreak. This is Faith in the Zone
on the Big nine twenty in youriHeart Radio app. Welcome back to Faith
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in the Zone on the Big nineto twenty in your iHeartRadio App. I'm
Mike McGivern alongside Pastor Ken Keltner brooksSide Baptist Church. Our special guests.
He is Billy Dunn. He isa character coach Lehigh University. For the
Nations of Coaches, go to Nationsof Coach Billy. This is a throwaway
question that we started a number ofyears ago and we just really enjoy getting
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the answer to this question. Allthe uniforms you've ever put on in your
entire life, from little league baseballto pee wee soccer, you put them
in a closet and you get topick one uniform out to get one more
game with that team. Which uniformis it? Who do you play against?
And why? Man, that isa great question. Well, first
of all, thank you so muchfor having me. I really admire the
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work that you do, and thepeople who get the opportunity to listen each
week are incredibly blessed. And soI'm going to go in a little bit
of a different direction. I apologize, like, if you need me to
circle back, I will. Butgrowing up without a dad, growing up
in a single parent family, thething that my heart longed foremost was family.
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And so the uniform that I wouldput on would be when my daughter
was ten years old and I hadthe privilege of being her soccer coach,
and she would walk off the fieldwith ponytails and a little bit of like
ice cream still on her lip.And those are some of the most moments,
you know. So for me,it's actually not what I played,
it's the experience that I had beingable to coach my daughter actually for a
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number of years in the game ofsoccer and a couple of years in basketball.
Of all of them, that's why. And you know, when you
grow up without a really functional family, So my dad left, my mom
really struggled and had a gambling addiction. You longed for something right that God,
I think innately puts in you.Right. It's a part of what
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you long for right is to bea part of family and community. And
so when I finally kind of realizedthat I had been given the greatest gift
by being at that time her dadand my son bryce that that, to
me is the uniform that I wouldwant to put on. It's a great
answer, Billy, it's a greatanswer. Hey, and we only have
a short time. Was there amoment in your life when you know,
(42:58):
maybe excuse me you and send youwere dating that you had to think in
your head that, man, Igot to break this cycle, this cycle
that I did. Yeah, I'velived and you have broken that cycle.
And I congratulate you for that.Well, you know what it was really
like, it was God's work becauseI would not be able to break that
level of craziness by myself. ButI will tell you this. I had
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a friend come to me. Iwas like mid twenties and he just said,
Billy, listen, I love you, I care for you. You've
got a lot of skills. Buthe said, if you don't get some
of these things right, And whathe was really just saying was this whole
idea of shame. I mean,I'd love to go more into the detail
at some point if somebody ever wantsto, You're not going this is not
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going to go well for you.And I took him seriously and I did
the hard work over that next yearor two to really understand what that meant
for me and some of the thingsthat I needed to make adjustments in in
my life. And you know,in some ways I have not looked back.
So I would like to do onemore thing. I apologize, but
can can I give my email ifsomething listening is like that's me and I
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need to talk to somebody like,I will call each person. I will
reach out to each person that connectswith me. My email is really simple.
It's Billy done four two four atgmail dot com. B I L
L Y d U N N fourtwo four at gmail dot com. And
guys, I am so committed toseeing men and women, but the men
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that I work with be freed fromthe idea of Shane and having to live
like this, this imposter syndrome,and then we can live this freedom in
Christ and the resounding and the triumphantway is kind of what I'm all about.
And I'll if I get fifty emails, I'll respond to all fifty.
Amen again, Billy done four twofour at gmail dot com. Billy done
(44:49):
four two four at gmail dot com. Send Billy an email and nothing else.
Thank him for the time that he'sgiven us on faith in his own
It's just been a really good hour. Billy. Thanks a lot for your
time. I really appreciate it.Passwords, good to see you. Yeah,
great seeing you, and thank youBilly. Great testimony. We'll keep
praying that God will use you ina great way. Appreciate it. Guys.
(45:09):
I love you. You gotta loveyou too. This is Faith and
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