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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Faith in His Zone on Fox Sports nine
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solo this week. Pastor Ken Keltner from Brookside Baptist Church
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
So I got to tell you.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I Steve, a friend of mine, sent me a text
three four weeks ago about our special guest. He said, Hey,
you got to listen to this podcast that Rick Burgess
was on talking about a book that he wrote. There's
a lot of similarities to you and what he's talking
about in this book. In the name of the book
is Men Don't Run in the Rain, A son's reflection
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of faith, of life, faith and an iconic father. And
our special guest for the entire hour is Rick Burgess. Hey, Rick,
how you been.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Mike?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
What a pleasure. Thank you for having me on. I'm
excited about the conversation today.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, I appreciate that. As we're talking Burgessministries dot com.
One word Burgessministries dot com is where you're going to
want to go to get any of the information on
Rick and some of the things he's doing. And I
have to be honest for us to get him to
give us the time we need to record. Faith in
the Zone is really impressive to me. He's a really
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busy guy, national radio host, he's an author, and he's
the founder of the Man Church. Rick, where do you
I got to ask you, when do you find time
to sleep?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Well, I will tell you I'm sixty years old. All
my kids are grown, two of them are married, and
so it's a lot easier now than it was even
when I was younger, and you know, and I'm blessed
to have you know, my mental and physical health. So,
you know, my wife and I love doing ministry together.
I try to make sure that you know she's in
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the loops. But yeah, I host a five hour radio
show Monday through Friday, the Rick Burgess Show, and then
I run the men's industry Themanchurch dot Com. Go out
and speak to men's groups, and then my wife and
I do marriage you know events together. We teach you know,
a small group at our local church. I run the
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men's ministry there too, so you know, there's not a
lot of free time. But you know what, there's only
so much life left, so let's make it count.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Amen to that, Hey, Rick, do you understand the term
i'll kick your coverage? You know what that means?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Oh? I hear it remembers the picture of me with
my wife. I remember a sad day Mike that you know,
this happened to me everywhere I go. And I looked
at my wife and I said, Babe, let me ask
you something. Do women ever say that to you? Do
they ever see us together? And women will go out
tell you what you have? Really all kicked your coverage?
And she just looked at me sadly tilted her head
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and said, no, babe, they never have.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I'm sorry now, they never have for me either. Got
to be honest with here.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I asked my wife the same question and she just
looked at me and said take the garbage out. I said, okay,
I get with that. What that answer is for sure? Hey, again,
the name of the book is as Men Don't Run
in the Rain and reading through it, and thank you
so much for sending me a copy of it. I
really appreciate it. What I went in thinking about this
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book and what I came away from was totally different.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Rick, I thought this was for a guy like me. Right.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I coached high school basketball for thirty six years.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I coached my.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Son in basketball. I had a father who was a
brickler and a mason. And look, there are some things
in the book that you talked about with your dad.
My father's favorite thing was don't be lazy. Don't ever
let him call you lazy.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
He thought that lazy was the worst word in the
English language. But he didn't like sports at all. Never
came to any of my games, none of that. Well,
I loved basketball because my mother loved it, and I
became a basketball coach because she brought me to watch
different high school games here in the state and the area.
And so I started coaching basketball because she had me
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fall in love with it. And then I coached my son.
And as I'm reading through the book, I thought this
book was just for guys like me.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
It's for grandfathers, grandmothers, parents, uncles, coaches. I'm telling you,
if I was still coaching, I would buy twelve of
these and give them to every kid on my team
and say, listen, there's so many lessons in this book
for people other than just guys like you and I
that loved sports and either coached and played, or you know,
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had a parent that was really involved in sports. But
there are so many lessons for people that are our
in administration, in coaching, in being a principal, and just
being a fan. I think Rick, that this book has
had something in it for everybody.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, thank you for that. You know, I agree with you,
and you're right. I knew when it first launch style
that it would be just what your experience was. You know,
here's Rick with another resource for men. It's about his dad.
There's some intrigue there because Dad was just such a
character and an icon of figure. But I remember when
I came back I'd gone to speak at an event.
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I came back home and my wife, who knew my
dad for you know, thirty years, and she looked at
me and she said, I read the book and she's
a brilliant writer. So I was like, oh no, I'm
not gifted like she is. I would rather speak than write.
And so she said, first of all, the book you
wrote it. Well, she coached me on that and everything.
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She said, but I actually learned something this weekend. And
I said, well, you knew dad for thirty years, what
do you mean? She said, no, No, I knew your
dad as grandfather to the grandkids and you know, doting
over his daughter in laws. I didn't know this guy.
And she said, the guy here that I didn't know,
She said, I didn't know all the background of these stories.
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I literally have sat here and learned from your dad
this weekend. And she said. My two things were, I
let things distract me away from what I've been called
to do, and I make too many excuses. And she said,
and I have. I've learned from your dad how to
combat that, and I need to deal with that in
my life. And I thought you got something out of
this book. And now to your point, Mike, probably the
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new audience that we're getting, you know, when it first
went out it was men, men, men. The new audience
we're getting actually women. They're saying, you know what, there's
value in this for a man or a.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Woman one hundred percent. And look, a grandfather, a grandmother,
aunts uncle.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
There's so much in it.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And then what I really enjoyed is after you get
done with a chapter, go to the back and do
you know, do the work.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Do the work.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
There's questions after each chapter that if it's fresh in
your mind, you get done reading chapter one, go to
the back, and then, you know what, take out a
sheet of paper and start answering the questions. One of
my favorite chapters was chapter three because it just made
my father's been gone a long time. He in fact
where he passed away three months before I got married,
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and we just celebrated her fortieth or forty first or something.
And he liked my girlfriend back then more than he
liked his son. And he would say to me, somebody's
got to tell her, and I go, no, they don't, don't.
You don't have to tell her anything. And my fear
was when this priest stood up and said, hey, does
anybody here have any reason?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
He would stand.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Up and go, yeah, I gotta tell her she shouldn't
marry him type stuff. And in chapter three in this book,
when you talk about the word stupid and a lot
that your dad as you're playing, you know, practicing on
the football field and you don't remember what you did
in the field. But his line was what you just
did was so stupid that if they put your brand
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in a humming bird, it would fly backward up a
mule's butt. And I'm telling you, I laughed so hard
when I read that, and it brought me right back
to things that my father would say. He always said
to me, you have a ready shoot a mouth, you
ready it, then you just fire it, and then you
aim it. Why don't you ready it, aim it and
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then fire it. And as a little kid, I never
knew what that meant. But as an adulta now a
grandfather of six, I obviously understand what he meant by that.
But that's the kind of stuff, you know. He would
grab your my big toe at six fifty nine every morning.
He was an army guy, and he would say some
things about grab your socks and his daylight in the swamp. Well,
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I was seven years old. I didn't know where my
socks were. We lived on the east.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Side of Milwaukee. I didn't even know what a swamp was.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So as I read this book, it brought back all
of these memories that sadly I had not remembered and
I'd forgotten about because he had been gone for so long.
And I just say thank you for that because I would.
I was up at eleven o'clock just laughing, and my
wife was like, what were you laughing about? And I said,
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let me read in Burgess's book what he said about
his dad here and what his dad said to him
and the lessons that he learned was incredible. And I
thank you for sharing this part of your life with
people that will have the same reaction that I had.
And that is my goodness that I've learned a lot
from this, and hopefully I can be a better fan,
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I can be a better father, I can be a
better spouse. There's a lot in it for everybody, and
I thank you. Hey, if I talked to you when
you were a junior in high school and I said, hey,
at this point you're going to be an author of
I don't know how many books have you written, like five?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Well, you know, it's interesting. I've written a lot of
resources for me and you know, more devotionals and then
you know, back when I did a show for thirty
one years called The Rick and Bubba Show, we did
a deal, you know, with with Thomas Nelson it's now HarperCollins,
and we had a seven book deal with them. Two
of them were like, you know, coffee table books, but
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in those days they just interviewed us. I didn't know
how to write, Bubba didn't know how to write, and
then they would do ghost writers. So as far as
me writing a full length book, yes, I have written
thirty one day devotionals and forty day devotionals and I
worked with our curriculum and then we had those books
back in the day. But this is the first time, honestly, Mike,
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that I set down and wrote a full length book
in my life. I've got some experience with you know,
shorter things and Bible studies and things like that, but
this was a different task. But the topic was so
intriguing it just flowed out of me. And with my
wife's direction on how you know, the craft of writing,
it was an incredible experience. This is the first thing
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I can honestly say that God called me to write
it and I wrote every word of it on my own.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
If I asked you as a junior in high school,
if I said to you, hey, one day you're going
to be an author, You're going to be a big
tay you know, a national radio host. But the author
part of it, as a junior in high school. Would
you have looked at me, shook your head and laughter.
Would you said, yeah, I see that in my future.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh no, I would have laughed hysterically. My sister has
like a master's degree in English. My wife, you know,
is a double major in English. And my sister every
time we have a family function, she looks across the
table at my mother and says, this is the guy
that wrote the best selling book, this one, and of
all of us in the family, this is the one
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God chose. And so no, I would have never believed that.
I would have thought I'm going to play football in
the NFL. I would have thought I do. I always
had an interest in radio, and I might be a
disc jockey. But I would have never thought author of anything,
Nor would any of my teachers.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Man, I love that. I could tell you a lot
of my teachers in high school. If they said, Hey,
you're gonna you be talking on the radio, they would
have said, yeah, he talks in class a lot, so.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
He can he might be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Hey, before we get to a break and again, we
are talking with Rick Burgess, and he is a national
radio host. He's the author of Men don't run in
the rain, and he's the founder of the Man Church.
I wanted to just spend a couple of minutes and
I think in segment three we'll get back to this,
but can we talk a little bit about the Man
Church and why you started that. I love that website,
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and again, you can go to Burgessministries dot com or
you can go to the Manchurch dot com. Either one
gets you an opportunity to look at this book and
to buy it now. But the Man Church, I think
in today's world, I think that this is needed more
than at any other point. And I believe that and
I read where you know, you talked about a lot
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of churches throughout the country have really good youth groups,
and they have women's groups that are very active. But
the part of a lot of churches that aren't, you mean,
well enough and need to kind of get a little
bit of a kick is in the men area.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Men have to be leaders of this church. And I
think that the Man Church really gives people that look
at that website a good idea on what you're thinking
with this.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, let me just can I just say this to
pastors everywhere he might be listening to this if all
you do is challenge somebody, which we do need to
be challenged, and we have plenty of challenge in everything
that we do at the Manchurch dot Com. But if
all we do is challenge men, but we then don't
follow and equip them, all we're doing is frustrating them.
We're calling them to something the Bible is clearly saying
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about the headship and the spiritual leadership that God gave
the man. Men and women are equal in value, no doubt,
but they're beautifully distinct. But we keep telling men every
Father's Day in the church that they're not getting the
job done, but we're not equipping them to actually do
the job. So what we want to do with the
Manchurch dot Com is add that equipping part. Do we
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have as we do? Do we have speakers, we do.
But what we have that so many churches don't have
for men nor any men's ministry, is curriculum designed for men.
We have forty week curriculum. We have five, well six
of those as of August, for men, and they're designed
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for men. You can't reach a man with resources designed
for women and children. So if your men's ministry is
missing a sustainable plan. We have the strategy of high
challenge but followed by high equipping at the Manchurch dot Com.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
At that on that website, the Manchurch dot Com. If
you go to the store, you know they will give
you their mission statement, and I've read through all of it.
And for the people that listen to this show, and
you understand by us asking to share your testimony and
the things we talk about on this show. If you
go to Manchurch dot Com and you're a pastor, if
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you're if you're a guy in a church that thinks
your church needs some work in that area, if you
go to the Man Church and you go to the store,
men's ministry leader gets started, it's right there, small group leader,
it's right there. Individuals get closer, grow closer to Christ
through devotions, books and Bible studies. It's right there. All
the information is right there. And I would recommend if
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you are active in your church and you believe that
your church needs some help in that area, Themanchurch dot
Com and they're not asking you to sit, you know,
buy a bunch of stuff to take a look at
what they're doing in other parts of our country. And
I'm telling you there's a way to contact them. There's
enough stuff on that website. It's a really good website.
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Don't think that you're going to, you know, open the
website and three minutes later leave to go to the
grocery store, because you're going to spend as much time
on that website as I did. Man Themanchurch dot Com.
And I think it really kind of sets you up
to be able to really get your church and the
church that you're involved in better in that area, and
I think Rick Burgess has done a great job with that. Guys,
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we're going to get to a break. The other side
of the break will continue conversation and we'll ask our guests,
Rick Burgess to share his testimony. This is Faith in
the Zone on Fox Sports nine twenty and your iHeart
Radio App. Welcome back to Faith in the Zone on
Fox Sports nine twenty in your iHeart Radio App. Mike
mcgivert again flying solo this week. Pastor Ken Kelner will
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be back in studio next week coming from the Donovan
and Jorgensen Heating and Cooling Studios. So our special guest,
national radio host. He is the founder of the Man Church.
Go to Themanchurch dot Com, Themanchurch dot com to get
more information on that. And he is an author of
a book that I'm telling you, I put it down twice.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
That's it. I read through this thing.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Men Don't Run in the Rain, A son's reflection on life,
faith and an iconic father. His father was a big
time high school football coach in the state of Alabama,
where football is real.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's a real sport in Alabama.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
They get after a little bit, you know when you're saying,
when you're thinking about what states are big, you know,
you think about Texas, you think about Ohio, and you
think about Alabama. And I love the fact that Rick
Burgess has given us the time to be a guest
on faith in his own Hey, Rick, Segment two is
always the one that we get the most comments on
where we ask our guests to share their testimony and
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if you would be so kind.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Well, I was raised, like you said, in Alabama. So
in Alabama, everybody's going to heaven. So you know, we
were raised in the Christian culture. It was not foreign.
Everybody went to church on Sunday. It was part of
the culture. Now that can be great, but it also
can be detrimental. If you want to have a tough
time with evangelism, come to the Bible belt and try
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to convince anybody they're not already redeemed, And so I
fell into that illusion. I believed in g Jesus from
the time I was a child. I even know was baptized,
and so I had a belief. You know, I was
never an atheist. I was never agnostic. So right along
nineteen years of age, I went off to play college football.
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I had gotten injured in my senior year at playing
high school, and that injury, I went from being highly
recruited in the Southeastern Conference to being told that I
need to walk on to make sure the injury is okay,
and I got really upset about that. I ended up
going with a smaller college called Troy, which a lot
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their Division one now at the time they were Division two.
It's in South Alabama, and so I was very bitter
when I got to college, thinking that, I mean, I'm
just going to be honest. I hate to say this,
but at the time I thought that I was too
good a player to be at this level of college.
But anyway, so I had never drunk alcohol in my
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entire life, and I drank alcohol over the summer before
my freshman year at the All Star game for high
school all star players for the first time of my life,
and unfortunately I took to it. And I'm going to
just make it short for this segment, so that one
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decision of drinking that first beer, it led to thirteen
years of never being back in the church, going through
a divorce, only being married two years, produced two children.
So thirteen years later, I'm out of football completely. I'd
been in rock bands, which is, by the way, is
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not the best therapy if you have a drinking problem
and chasing women. And so I'm now thirteen years later,
I'm on the radio doing a radio show. I meet
my wife, who was the newsperson on the show at
the time. Again I'm making a long story short. I
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end up convincing her to marry me, which that's only
God's grace. So, because not many young women, you know,
dream of Prince Charming driving a broken down car with
a mullet, with two little kids from a previous marriage
and an ex wife, most women don't dream of that.
So I go, what do I do next? Now I
haven't been in church in thirteen years. I'm living a
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life of complete debauchery, So what do. I do, though,
because it's my culture. I go to the local church
where the radio shows on, about forty five minutes from
my house, and I'm looking around to talk to somebody
about renting the church. Well, the pastor, his name is
Rick Cagile. He's gone on to be with the Lord.
Now I'm so thankful for him. He comes out, he says,
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kind of help you. I say, I'd like to rent
your church for a wedding. And he says, what do
you go to church here? I don't recognize you. I
said no, no, no. He goes, well, where do you
go to church? I said, well, I don't go to church.
And I said that ridiculous statement. You know you don't.
I had to go to church to be a Christian,
and I'll never forget it. He said, well, legalistically, you're right.
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I mean we don't earn our redemption by going to church.
He said, however, I've never met someone who was truly
redeemed that didn't go to church. People don't go to
church to become justified. They go to church because they are.
And I thought, okay, whatever, And I think, all right, well,
thanks for your commentary. How much to rent this church?
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And He looked at me and he said, I'm not
going to marry you. And I said, oh you want
of these people want to marry somebody because they've been divorced.
He goes, No, that has nothing to do with my decision.
I'm not going to marry you because you're lost. I
said lost. I said, who are you to tell me
I'm lost. I've been baptized twice, which is true. I
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was baptized a child that I was baptized again as
a teenager because I never saw transformation, you know. And
so he said I know who you are. I said, okay,
he said, which means I know how you live. He goes,
you think we don't know about all the fights you
get in and bars around here. You think I don't
know about all the women you chase. You think I
don't know about the drunkenness and the times you've been
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taken in by the police. I know all this. I
listen to your show and I hear the jokes you
tell that have sexual innuendo. I know that you have
a foul mouth. And he goes, these are not stumbles.
This is not a mistake that you made. Every now, then,
this is who you are. You don't have any desire
to be in the church, and he goes, Frankly, I
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have too much respect for the power of Jesus Christ
and the Holy Spirit to call you redeemed. You don't
have any evidence of it none. And I thought, wow.
And so I walk out of there, you know. And
so I go home, and I live by myself at
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the time, and you know, the little bachelor's pad. My
kids would come over, you know, for weekends and things
like that, and I mean, I was like, man, what
this guy said. I can't get this out of my
out of my mind, I can't get this out of
my heart. And I knew it was right, and I
just I started dealing with the truth of that. And
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so I just got down on my face in my home.
I can still see the carpet, and I cried out
to God. I don't want to be who I am.
I don't know what to do. I have always believed
in you. I know that you went to the cross
to redeem the lost. I know that you rose from
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the dead on the third Day. I believe all that.
But I don't see I can't change. I'm getting darker
and I'm getting worse. So I know that you love
me because I know the Gospel. And this is what
I had to say, Mike, and I hope people listening
there maybe people in the same situation I was in.
And what I said next is hard to say, but
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I knew it was true. I said, but I don't
love you. I know that you love me, but I
don't love you, and I want you to teach me
to love you. And I said so, I just asked
right now, as best I know how, I asked that
you forgive me. I asked that you take this away.
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I asked that you change me. I've tried to do
things my way and I look what I produced. I
want to do things your way. So I want to
leave my own authority and I want to be under
your authority. And will you please teach me to love you,
because if I love you, then I think it'll change
me because I believe that you can. And in that moment,
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everything began to change, and I knew that for the
first time in my life, I had left a fault.
I was a cultural Christian, you know, it was part
of the culture. But once I began to study the Bible,
I realized, Mike that what I really had before this
moment was a demonic faith. I believe to think the
same things about Jesus at the d belief. I started
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seeing this all throughout scripture, and I'm like, the demons
know exactly who he is. Then I read kindly read
James where he says, so you believe in the Trinity great,
So did the demons, and they shudder at the sound
of his name. And I thought, wait a minute, the
repentance is what's missing. I've never repented of my sin.
I've never left my own authority and placed myself under
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the lordship of Jesus Christ. I've never done that before.
No wonder I haven't been transformed because I haven't accessed
the power to transform me. I don't have the Holy Spirit.
My spirit is dead. And it changed that day and
then my wife and I Rick Cagle came back and
he did marry us. We went into premarital counseling. We
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both repented of all of our sin the minute we
got back from our honeymoon. We went to a little
bitty local church in our hometown where an older pastor
and these older men of the church and these older
women began to disciple us and we just had a
hunger for the word of God. And from that day on,
everything changed, and it continues to change.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Hey, man, I got to tell you, Rick, I have
tears coming down my cheek because it just I was
doing some things similar to you, right, one hundred percent
irish out playing softball with the boys and hitting bars
and doing that stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
And you know, God came, Jesus came to a dark place.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I didn't have to get myself all cleaned up before
I went to him. He came to a really dark
place and said, Okay, now it's time.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Let's go. Let's get this thing together, and let's get
you moving forward.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
And you know, I grew up in Catholic schools and
they told me to carry the Bible, don't open it,
We'll tell you what's in it. And so I knew
everything I knew about Jesus Christ the way I knew
Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I knew all the stories, but I had no relationship.
And your testimony is so powerful, and I hope that
you get a chance to share that testimony a lot.
I remember the first time I got a chance to
go to a men's group in person from doing faith
in the zone at church. I knew nothing about the
pastor listens to faith in the zone. He called me
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and asked me to speak at as his men's stakeout
and there are two hundred and fifty guys and I
had to share my testimony and I was so embarrassed, sick.
I was so embarrassed, and I told him, Hey, never
call me. Don't tell your buddies to call me. I'm
never doing that again. And this guy said, you think
this is about you? And I went ooh, ouch, hey,
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I have to tell you. I Pastor Rick Cagel, who's
no longer with us, I hope that he understood before
he left the earth the impact that what he said
to you, well, he was man enough to go you
don't think I know who you are like you don't
think that I know all the stories. I'm not going
to marry you, You're lost. And for him to be
man enough and that's look, you want to go back
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to the man church that you founded, that's part of that.
We have to be bold enough to say those words
to people. And I love the fact that Pastor Rick
Hegel was able to look you in the eye and say, no,
I'm not going to mirror you, because I know all
about you, and I give him a lot of credit.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, I want, let me tell you a beautiful thing.
And so he passed. You know, he got to see
the transformation and the sanctification starting. So he passed and
I was going out and speaking. By then, the Man
Church had not started yet, but he and I were
actually talking about the planning of the need of the
Man church. But Sherry and I were already doing that's
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my wife's name, already doing marriage stuff. I was going
out and speaking and even in churches, and so we
got to see all that, and he got to see
the radio show being used by God, you know, be
open about our faith and certainly entertaining and earning the
right to share. So he saw the fruit. And so
when he passed, he was it was a pretty good
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way to where he was pastoring at the time. And
I told my wife, I said, you know, one of
his son's contact to me, but I don't think there's
any way I can get to that funeral. And my
wife said, what are you talking about. I said, well,
maybe it's on a weekday and I got to get
back to work tomorrow, but it's a pretty good drive.
And she said, well, then go get on the plane.
And I said, what do you mean, she goes if
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I was in that, if I'm his children and i'm
his grandchildren, I'm his wife. And this is the day
that you finally get to stand up and tell his
family how God used him to transform our lives. They
need to hear that. They want to hear that as
they lay his body down, you're going. And so I
did get a chance to do that.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You know, Rick, I love my wife, but your wife
is a close second. Right now, I have to be
honest with you. Good for her, good for her, And
I'm really happy you were able to do that. And
the fact that he looked you in the eye, shook
your hand but said no, I know all about you
and you're lost. I just think what a powerful thing
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for a grown man to tell another grown man and
say and say, look, you can you're not running this church.
Maybe you're rented, but I'm accountability. Yeah, accountability.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
He protected, Yeah, he protected the sanctity of the church
like the apostle. Paul says, Look, sometimes you're you think
you're being so gracious, but if people are lost and
they're they're they're they're they're having their detriment to the
purity of the church. You gotta deal with that. He
didn't do that because he was mean. He didn't do
that because he was sanctimonious or self righteous. He did
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that because he loved Christ. And then the process, he
loved me enough to tell me the truth and it
saved my life.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Amen, he is Rick Burgess. Here's the best thing you
can do. Google Rick Burgess, b U, R G. E. S. S.
You can go to his the Rick Burgess Show. You
can listen to past shows that he that he has done.
Go to Burgess Ministries. Through there, you can go to
the Man Church. If you google this man, there's a
lot of ways to be able to listen read about
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some of the things that not only he's doing, but
his wife Sherry is doing as well. We're going to
get to a break. Other side of the break. I
want to go back to this book Men Don't Run
in the Rain. I've got a number of questions, and
then that last segment, we'll ask Rick the same question
we ask all our guests. Putting all the uniforms in
the closet, which one do you pull out? We'll do
that in the fourth segment, This is Faith in the
(31:22):
Zone on Fox Sports nine twenty and your iHeart Radio App.
Welcome back to Faith in the Zone on Fox Sports
nine twenty and your iHeartRadio App. Coming from the Donovan
and Jorgensen Heitiy Cooling Studios. Our special guest. He's a
national radio host. He's the author of Men Don't Run
in the Rain, and he's the founder of the Man Church.
(31:43):
He is Rick Burgess. More information on Rick, you can
google his name, or you can go to the Manchurch
dot com, go to Burgessministries dot com, or to Rickburgessshow
dot com. He is really, really busy, and I can
tell you this. He doesn't know this, but I'd love
to have Sherry join us one day on Faith in
his own because the things I've read about her and
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the things that Rick has talked about with her, I
feel like her wife, my wife and his wife are
pretty similar where they will put us in our place
a little bit. When she said, look, get on a plane.
You've got to go to that funeral. This you know,
Rick Hagel is the guy that changed our life, and
you have to go there, and you've got to let
people know that story. I love what Sherry has done
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with this. Hey, rickwa, I want to talk more about
this book because it had such an impact on me. Again,
men don't run in the rain. That was a statement
that your dad said to you. You know, it was
raining out and you were going to run to the
car and he said, no, no, men don't run in
the rain. And there are so many things in this
book where I just think that so many people can
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learn and if they do it the way I did it,
which you read a chapter and then go in the
back and answer the questions that are being asked. That's
where you get the most out of this book. And
if you just read it and you don't do the questions,
you'll get it's something out of it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
You will.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But if you go back and answer these questions, honestly,
I think you're gonna get as much out of this
book as I have. And I would highly recommend Men
Don't Run in the Rain.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Rick.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
When when people ask you about your father and the
impact that he had on your life, not only as
a coach but as a man, you know, what are
they what? What are the reader's digest clipped on? What
you you have gotten out of being his son? What
would you say to that well.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
First of all, he was steady. That was the whole
Men don't run in the rain. You don't. We're not
gonna be frantic, you know. I mean, your family can't
look at you and see some guy who's freaking out
over the rain.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
But but so he always are. We always felt safe,
and I think I think a man must make his
family feel safe. My dad was authoritative and he was
not to be uh, you know, crossed. His discipline was
always swift, It was always you know, severe. He got
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the job done. But here's the thing you must get
from this. Please, please, please don't picture my dad as
being the great Santini. He was not some tyrant. He
was fun. His laughter filled the house. My dad was hard,
but he was fair, and he encouraged you with the
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same intensity that he corrected you with. He did. He
was never one of those guys that you only heard
from him when you were doing it wrong, but you
never heard from him when you were doing it right.
He did equal. He never brought his work home. He
was our dad at home. He was our coach on
the field. Playing football for my dad in high school
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was not a nightmare. It was actually a beautiful experience
that I cherish. So he was humble, he was influential
without even trying, and he was very comfortable in his
own skin, and everybody around him benefited from his presence.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Rick, and you talked about, Look, if your father was
not a great father, then you'd be a good father.
If your father was not president in your life, then
you be present in your kid's life. If your father
didn't do this, then you do this. And I got
a lot out of that because I can tell you that,
you know, my dad was a tough guy, right. He
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was a bricklayer and a mason, and he was I
was the fourth boy two we had six kids. I
was the youngest boy, so my three older brothers had
moved out, and I was mouthy, and I can tell you.
At his funeral, one of the bricklayer buddies of his
came and asked, which one is Michael, And I said
I am, And he said, so you're the tough one,
and I said, excuse me. He said, your dad was
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so proud of you because you could take a belt
whooping with the best of them. I go, that's what
he was proud of me of. He goes, oh yeah,
and I thought to myself, who would ever, you know,
take a whooping to their son and then go to
the job the next and tell people that boy, that
youngest son and mine can take a whooping with the
best of them, like I don't. That's so when I
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moved out of their house when I was seventeen, and
I was sitting in this apartment and back then having
a beer and doing whatever I was doing with very
little faith in my life, I did say, God, if
I'm ever blessed with kids, I will never drink in
front of them, and I will never hit them in anger.
And I was almost able to accomplish that. But the
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lessons that he taught us, you know where some of
them were don't do it this way right, and some
things like that. And I also coached my son, and
I was the first year I coached him in high school.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Rick.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I was not very good at it. I was I
tried to be as coach twenty four to seven, and
I was the adult in the room, and I had
to make the change, right, I had to make that change,
and we made that change. So I love the fact
that you enjoyed playing for him, because not everybody enjoys
playing for their fathers, no doubt about that, and that.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
That what you're talking about is the epilogue's actually the
last thing in the book, and that actually I know
where I want to be a good steward of our time.
But I want to tell you how that where that
came from. It wasn't going to be in the book.
And someone on our team at the Maanchurch dot com said,
you know what I struggle with reading this because they
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saw the book, you know, before everybody else, before it
was out. And I said, what do you mean? And
he says, well, I didn't have a dad like that,
and you know what is a man of God? I
struggle with the honor your mother and father that were
commanded you know, by God. I struggle with that. And
so I went through what you already said. I said, well, no, no,
you have to understand what that's saying. That has nothing
to do with the way your dad lived. It has
to do with how you're going to live. He said,
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what do you mean? And I said, no, no, what
your dad did that doesn't mean that you go around
saying that's okay. And of course they were much worse
off than what you were talking about. They had a
severe relationship with their dad, as many people do sadly,
And I said, no, this means you live your life
bring honor to them, whether they deserve it or not.
And then the things they did wrong you do right.
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That's how you bring honor to them. You don't, it's
not the way they live, it's the way you're going
to live. And then after I finished what is now
the epilogue in the book, he said that has to
be in the book. There's men like me everywhere. And
I'm like, well, I didn't really expect to put this
in the book. He said, please go put that on paper,
and let's please add it to the book. And so
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we did. And can I tell you won't be surprised.
I'll probably get some of the most comments about that epilogue.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Well, the epilogue. Here's the other thing that I highlighted.
And I'm so glad that you teed me up for this.
You say he valued me and cared enough for me
to not only care for me, but to discipline me.
And I think I just highlighted that like three times
with a red pen because I believe that so much.
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Like you've got to love your kids enough to discipline them.
And in today's world, I think Rick's some of that
is gone.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Well, think about what God God's barriers, they're not They're blessings.
They're to keep us from destroying our lives. That He's
not a kill joy. These barriers are a blessing. Well,
when parents don't give their children any blessings, they're some
of the saddest children I know. These children. I grew
up with them. I ran around with some of them.
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Course they were quite dangerous because they didn't think they
would get in trouble for anything. And what it was is,
you know what I found. They were very sad. And
you know why they were sad. They knew that the
lack of barriers in their life and the lack of
discipline in their lives didn't mean that their parents loved them.
It means their parents didn't care. And that's the way
they interpreted it. Their parents didn't care enough to do
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the hard parenting for their own good.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Amen to that in the epilogue again in the chapter
I talked about where if it says if your dad
was a terrible husband, then be a great husband. If
your dad was a terrible daddy, then be a great daddy.
If your dad was a joke as a grandfather, be
the best grandfather your grandchildren have ever seen. And at
the end of that chapter it says this, It just
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means that you love Jesus enough not to deny the
grace and forgiveness to your dad that Jesus so freely
gives you. Where you talk about forgive him for some
of the look everybody tries, I think to be for
the most part, you know, they want to be a
good dad. Maybe they just don't have the skill set
to do it. But learn some things from what how
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you were parented and whether it's good or bad, and
make the changes to try to be better. And boy,
I'll tell you Rick, this book is, like I talked about,
It is as good as a book that I've read.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
In a long time. And it's got something in it
for everybody.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
When you talk about, you know, your dad, you know,
being a great guy and being funny and all that.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
When you see the picture on the cover of the book.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
He man, he looks like a lot of high school
football coaches that have known over the years. Man, that's
game day right there and picture of him. He go
he wants to go out and get a win that day.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Well, let me I say this before. If my dad
was coaching today, he would be in jail.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Ye, yes, yeah, I bet we talk about all the time.
Break back in the day, no water breaks. Take a
salt pill, a salt pill. You would be putting in
jail nowadays for that. And I'm sorry, but we have
got to get to a break on other side of
the break. We're gonna ask Rick Burgess for that question.
What uniform does he pull out of the closet. You
can google Rick Burgess, go to rickburgesshow dot com, go
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to the Maan Church, go to Burgessministries dot com. A
lot of ways to learn about some of the things
that Rick does. You can hear his show and you
can pick this book up. Men Don't Run in the Rain,
and I would highly highly recommend that this is Faith
in the Zone on Fox Sports nine twenty in your
iHeart Radio app. Welcome back to Faith in the Zone
(41:55):
on Fox Sports nine twenty and your iHeartRadio app our
special guest, Rick Burgess, national radio host author that Men
Don't Run in the Rain. I cannot recommend this book enough.
Anybody that listens to this show, you pick this book up.
You're gonna You're gonna call me and you're gonna go. Man,
I learned. Did you see what he said in chapter five?
(42:15):
Did you see what he said in chapter seven? I
think there's just something in that book for everybody. Hey, Rick,
this was a throwaway question years ago that we now
ask every faith in the zone because the answers are
really good and thought provoking. All the uniforms you ever
put on, and you were a multi sport athlete, I
believe correct growing up. That's correct, All the uniforms you've
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ever put on. We put him in the closet and
you get to pick one uniform out to get one
more game with that team. What uniform do you pick?
Who do you play against?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
And why?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Little a little quick note. The first football uniform I
ever put on Green Bay Packers. Green Bay Packers. I
got it for Christmas and I put it on. I
love the Packers, always have. One of my dearest friends
is actually rich Wingo Packer legend. But it wouldn't be
that one because I was just a little kid run
around the neighborhood. It would absolutely be old number seventy five.
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I would get out of the closet the home black jersey,
the home old gold pants, the black helmet, the gold
face mass, the gold strip with a little white outline
down the middle. I would play for Oxford High School.
I would go back to nineteen eighty two and I
would go to the state championship game that we lost
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by three points, and I would go back out on
the field and I would say to myself, even though
I was injured, I was playing with an injury. I
would love to go. Can I take the injury away
when I go back, or have I got to play.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Through the injury and no injury?
Speaker 3 (43:48):
All right? I take the injury away and I go
out there in that black and gold uniform and I
go absolutely bonkers. And instead of the quarterback going back
and I almost get him on the ground complete pass
over the middle that was batted up in the air.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Oh no, I go.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
I get there a little quicker because I'm now not injured.
I sacked his butt and we win the state championship
in nineteen eighty two for the state of Alabama.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Well, and we're in the gold pants is big in
that that high school and your dad was there. You
didn't get gold pants until you played on varsity.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
That was big glorious gold pants. The glorious gold pants.
You know you had to wear your little practice white
pants up to that point. You came into that pack
stadium on a Friday night in Sweet Home, Alabama. There's
about fourteen thousand people about to go nuts. I mean,
it was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
He is Rick Burgess.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
I can't thank you enough, sir, and I really appreciate
your willingness to come on, Men Don't Run in the Rain.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
That's the book that I wanted him on to talk about.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
I want to thank my friend Steve for introducing me
to some of the things that Rick Burgess does. If
you google him, you'll be able to get to read
a lot of stuff about him. You can listen to
a lot of things and then pick up this book again,
Men Don't Run in the Rain. Hey, Rick, thanks a
lot for a few minutes your time. Have a great day.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Thank you, brother, It was my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
This is Faith in the Zone on Fox Sports ninet
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Welcome to Faith in His Zone on Fox Sports nine
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
So I got to tell you.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I Steve, a friend of mine, sent me a text
three four weeks ago about our special guest. He said, Hey,
you got to listen to this podcast that Rick Burgess
was on talking about a book that he wrote. There's
a lot of similarities to you and what he's talking
about in this book. In the name of the book
is Men Don't Run in the Rain, A son's reflection
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of faith, of life, faith and an iconic father. And
our special guest for the entire hour is Rick Burgess. Hey, Rick,
how you been.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Mike?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
What a pleasure. Thank you for having me on. I'm
excited about the conversation today.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, I appreciate that. As we're talking Burgessministries dot com.
One word Burgessministries dot com is where you're going to
want to go to get any of the information on
Rick and some of the things he's doing. And I
have to be honest for us to get him to
give us the time we need to record. Faith in
the Zone is really impressive to me. He's a really
(01:27):
busy guy, national radio host, he's an author, and he's
the founder of the Man Church. Rick, where do you
I got to ask you, when do you find time
to sleep?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Well, I will tell you I'm sixty years old. All
my kids are grown, two of them are married, and
so it's a lot easier now than it was even
when I was younger, and you know, and I'm blessed
to have you know, my mental and physical health. So,
you know, my wife and I love doing ministry together.
I try to make sure that you know she's in
(01:59):
the loops. But yeah, I host a five hour radio
show Monday through Friday, the Rick Burgess Show, and then
I run the men's industry Themanchurch dot Com. Go out
and speak to men's groups, and then my wife and
I do marriage you know events together. We teach you know,
a small group at our local church. I run the
(02:21):
men's ministry there too, so you know, there's not a
lot of free time. But you know what, there's only
so much life left, so let's make it count.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Amen to that, Hey, Rick, do you understand the term
i'll kick your coverage? You know what that means?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Oh? I hear it remembers the picture of me with
my wife. I remember a sad day Mike that you know,
this happened to me everywhere I go. And I looked
at my wife and I said, Babe, let me ask
you something. Do women ever say that to you? Do
they ever see us together? And women will go out
tell you what you have? Really all kicked your coverage?
And she just looked at me sadly tilted her head
(02:55):
and said, no, babe, they never have.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I'm sorry now, they never have for me either. Got
to be honest with here.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I asked my wife the same question and she just
looked at me and said take the garbage out. I said, okay,
I get with that. What that answer is for sure? Hey, again,
the name of the book is as Men Don't Run
in the Rain and reading through it, and thank you
so much for sending me a copy of it. I
really appreciate it. What I went in thinking about this
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book and what I came away from was totally different.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Rick, I thought this was for a guy like me. Right.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I coached high school basketball for thirty six years.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I coached my.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Son in basketball. I had a father who was a
brickler and a mason. And look, there are some things
in the book that you talked about with your dad.
My father's favorite thing was don't be lazy. Don't ever
let him call you lazy.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
He thought that lazy was the worst word in the
English language. But he didn't like sports at all. Never
came to any of my games, none of that. Well,
I loved basketball because my mother loved it, and I
became a basketball coach because she brought me to watch
different high school games here in the state and the area.
And so I started coaching basketball because she had me
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fall in love with it. And then I coached my son.
And as I'm reading through the book, I thought this
book was just for guys like me.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
It's for grandfathers, grandmothers, parents, uncles, coaches. I'm telling you,
if I was still coaching, I would buy twelve of
these and give them to every kid on my team
and say, listen, there's so many lessons in this book
for people other than just guys like you and I
that loved sports and either coached and played, or you know,
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had a parent that was really involved in sports. But
there are so many lessons for people that are our
in administration, in coaching, in being a principal, and just
being a fan. I think Rick, that this book has
had something in it for everybody.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, thank you for that. You know, I agree with you,
and you're right. I knew when it first launch style
that it would be just what your experience was. You know,
here's Rick with another resource for men. It's about his dad.
There's some intrigue there because Dad was just such a
character and an icon of figure. But I remember when
I came back I'd gone to speak at an event.
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I came back home and my wife, who knew my
dad for you know, thirty years, and she looked at
me and she said, I read the book and she's
a brilliant writer. So I was like, oh no, I'm
not gifted like she is. I would rather speak than write.
And so she said, first of all, the book you
wrote it. Well, she coached me on that and everything.
(05:40):
She said, but I actually learned something this weekend. And
I said, well, you knew dad for thirty years, what
do you mean? She said, no, No, I knew your
dad as grandfather to the grandkids and you know, doting
over his daughter in laws. I didn't know this guy.
And she said, the guy here that I didn't know,
She said, I didn't know all the background of these stories.
(06:03):
I literally have sat here and learned from your dad
this weekend. And she said. My two things were, I
let things distract me away from what I've been called
to do, and I make too many excuses. And she said,
and I have. I've learned from your dad how to
combat that, and I need to deal with that in
my life. And I thought you got something out of
this book. And now to your point, Mike, probably the
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new audience that we're getting, you know, when it first
went out it was men, men, men. The new audience
we're getting actually women. They're saying, you know what, there's
value in this for a man or a.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Woman one hundred percent. And look, a grandfather, a grandmother,
aunts uncle.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
There's so much in it.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And then what I really enjoyed is after you get
done with a chapter, go to the back and do
you know, do the work.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Do the work.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
There's questions after each chapter that if it's fresh in
your mind, you get done reading chapter one, go to
the back, and then, you know what, take out a
sheet of paper and start answering the questions. One of
my favorite chapters was chapter three because it just made
my father's been gone a long time. He in fact
where he passed away three months before I got married,
(07:15):
and we just celebrated her fortieth or forty first or something.
And he liked my girlfriend back then more than he
liked his son. And he would say to me, somebody's
got to tell her, and I go, no, they don't, don't.
You don't have to tell her anything. And my fear
was when this priest stood up and said, hey, does
anybody here have any reason?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
He would stand.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Up and go, yeah, I gotta tell her she shouldn't
marry him type stuff. And in chapter three in this book,
when you talk about the word stupid and a lot
that your dad as you're playing, you know, practicing on
the football field and you don't remember what you did
in the field. But his line was what you just
did was so stupid that if they put your brand
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in a humming bird, it would fly backward up a
mule's butt. And I'm telling you, I laughed so hard
when I read that, and it brought me right back
to things that my father would say. He always said
to me, you have a ready shoot a mouth, you
ready it, then you just fire it, and then you
aim it. Why don't you ready it, aim it and
(08:19):
then fire it. And as a little kid, I never
knew what that meant. But as an adulta now a
grandfather of six, I obviously understand what he meant by that.
But that's the kind of stuff, you know. He would
grab your my big toe at six fifty nine every morning.
He was an army guy, and he would say some
things about grab your socks and his daylight in the swamp. Well,
(08:41):
I was seven years old. I didn't know where my
socks were. We lived on the east.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Side of Milwaukee. I didn't even know what a swamp was.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So as I read this book, it brought back all
of these memories that sadly I had not remembered and
I'd forgotten about because he had been gone for so long.
And I just say thank you for that because I would.
I was up at eleven o'clock just laughing, and my
wife was like, what were you laughing about? And I said,
(09:07):
let me read in Burgess's book what he said about
his dad here and what his dad said to him
and the lessons that he learned was incredible. And I
thank you for sharing this part of your life with
people that will have the same reaction that I had.
And that is my goodness that I've learned a lot
from this, and hopefully I can be a better fan,
(09:30):
I can be a better father, I can be a
better spouse. There's a lot in it for everybody, and
I thank you. Hey, if I talked to you when
you were a junior in high school and I said, hey,
at this point you're going to be an author of
I don't know how many books have you written, like five?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Well, you know, it's interesting. I've written a lot of
resources for me and you know, more devotionals and then
you know, back when I did a show for thirty
one years called The Rick and Bubba Show, we did
a deal, you know, with with Thomas Nelson it's now HarperCollins,
and we had a seven book deal with them. Two
of them were like, you know, coffee table books, but
(10:07):
in those days they just interviewed us. I didn't know
how to write, Bubba didn't know how to write, and
then they would do ghost writers. So as far as
me writing a full length book, yes, I have written
thirty one day devotionals and forty day devotionals and I
worked with our curriculum and then we had those books
back in the day. But this is the first time, honestly, Mike,
(10:29):
that I set down and wrote a full length book
in my life. I've got some experience with you know,
shorter things and Bible studies and things like that, but
this was a different task. But the topic was so
intriguing it just flowed out of me. And with my
wife's direction on how you know, the craft of writing,
it was an incredible experience. This is the first thing
(10:51):
I can honestly say that God called me to write
it and I wrote every word of it on my own.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
If I asked you as a junior in high school,
if I said to you, hey, one day you're going
to be an author, You're going to be a big
tay you know, a national radio host. But the author
part of it, as a junior in high school. Would
you have looked at me, shook your head and laughter.
Would you said, yeah, I see that in my future.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh no, I would have laughed hysterically. My sister has
like a master's degree in English. My wife, you know,
is a double major in English. And my sister every
time we have a family function, she looks across the
table at my mother and says, this is the guy
that wrote the best selling book, this one, and of
all of us in the family, this is the one
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God chose. And so no, I would have never believed that.
I would have thought I'm going to play football in
the NFL. I would have thought I do. I always
had an interest in radio, and I might be a
disc jockey. But I would have never thought author of anything,
Nor would any of my teachers.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Man, I love that. I could tell you a lot
of my teachers in high school. If they said, Hey,
you're gonna you be talking on the radio, they would
have said, yeah, he talks in class a lot, so.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
He can he might be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Hey, before we get to a break and again, we
are talking with Rick Burgess, and he is a national
radio host. He's the author of Men don't run in
the rain, and he's the founder of the Man Church.
I wanted to just spend a couple of minutes and
I think in segment three we'll get back to this,
but can we talk a little bit about the Man
Church and why you started that. I love that website,
(12:29):
and again, you can go to Burgessministries dot com or
you can go to the Manchurch dot com. Either one
gets you an opportunity to look at this book and
to buy it now. But the Man Church, I think
in today's world, I think that this is needed more
than at any other point. And I believe that and
I read where you know, you talked about a lot
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of churches throughout the country have really good youth groups,
and they have women's groups that are very active. But
the part of a lot of churches that aren't, you mean,
well enough and need to kind of get a little
bit of a kick is in the men area.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Men have to be leaders of this church. And I
think that the Man Church really gives people that look
at that website a good idea on what you're thinking
with this.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, let me just can I just say this to
pastors everywhere he might be listening to this if all
you do is challenge somebody, which we do need to
be challenged, and we have plenty of challenge in everything
that we do at the Manchurch dot Com. But if
all we do is challenge men, but we then don't
follow and equip them, all we're doing is frustrating them.
We're calling them to something the Bible is clearly saying
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about the headship and the spiritual leadership that God gave
the man. Men and women are equal in value, no doubt,
but they're beautifully distinct. But we keep telling men every
Father's Day in the church that they're not getting the
job done, but we're not equipping them to actually do
the job. So what we want to do with the
Manchurch dot Com is add that equipping part. Do we
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have as we do? Do we have speakers, we do.
But what we have that so many churches don't have
for men nor any men's ministry, is curriculum designed for men.
We have forty week curriculum. We have five, well six
of those as of August, for men, and they're designed
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for men. You can't reach a man with resources designed
for women and children. So if your men's ministry is
missing a sustainable plan. We have the strategy of high
challenge but followed by high equipping at the Manchurch dot Com.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
At that on that website, the Manchurch dot Com. If
you go to the store, you know they will give
you their mission statement, and I've read through all of it.
And for the people that listen to this show, and
you understand by us asking to share your testimony and
the things we talk about on this show. If you
go to Manchurch dot Com and you're a pastor, if
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you're if you're a guy in a church that thinks
your church needs some work in that area, if you
go to the Man Church and you go to the store,
men's ministry leader gets started, it's right there, small group leader,
it's right there. Individuals get closer, grow closer to Christ
through devotions, books and Bible studies. It's right there. All
the information is right there. And I would recommend if
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you are active in your church and you believe that
your church needs some help in that area, Themanchurch dot
Com and they're not asking you to sit, you know,
buy a bunch of stuff to take a look at
what they're doing in other parts of our country. And
I'm telling you there's a way to contact them. There's
enough stuff on that website. It's a really good website.
(15:45):
Don't think that you're going to, you know, open the
website and three minutes later leave to go to the
grocery store, because you're going to spend as much time
on that website as I did. Man Themanchurch dot Com.
And I think it really kind of sets you up
to be able to really get your church and the
church that you're involved in better in that area, and
I think Rick Burgess has done a great job with that. Guys,
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we're going to get to a break. The other side
of the break will continue conversation and we'll ask our guests,
Rick Burgess to share his testimony. This is Faith in
the Zone on Fox Sports nine twenty and your iHeart
Radio App. Welcome back to Faith in the Zone on
Fox Sports nine twenty in your iHeart Radio App. Mike
mcgivert again flying solo this week. Pastor Ken Kelner will
(16:29):
be back in studio next week coming from the Donovan
and Jorgensen Heating and Cooling Studios. So our special guest,
national radio host. He is the founder of the Man Church.
Go to Themanchurch dot Com, Themanchurch dot com to get
more information on that. And he is an author of
a book that I'm telling you, I put it down twice.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
That's it. I read through this thing.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Men Don't Run in the Rain, A son's reflection on life,
faith and an iconic father. His father was a big
time high school football coach in the state of Alabama,
where football is real.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's a real sport in Alabama.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
They get after a little bit, you know when you're saying,
when you're thinking about what states are big, you know,
you think about Texas, you think about Ohio, and you
think about Alabama. And I love the fact that Rick
Burgess has given us the time to be a guest
on faith in his own Hey, Rick, Segment two is
always the one that we get the most comments on
where we ask our guests to share their testimony and
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if you would be so kind.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Well, I was raised, like you said, in Alabama. So
in Alabama, everybody's going to heaven. So you know, we
were raised in the Christian culture. It was not foreign.
Everybody went to church on Sunday. It was part of
the culture. Now that can be great, but it also
can be detrimental. If you want to have a tough
time with evangelism, come to the Bible belt and try
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to convince anybody they're not already redeemed, And so I
fell into that illusion. I believed in g Jesus from
the time I was a child. I even know was baptized,
and so I had a belief. You know, I was
never an atheist. I was never agnostic. So right along
nineteen years of age, I went off to play college football.
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I had gotten injured in my senior year at playing
high school, and that injury, I went from being highly
recruited in the Southeastern Conference to being told that I
need to walk on to make sure the injury is okay,
and I got really upset about that. I ended up
going with a smaller college called Troy, which a lot
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their Division one now at the time they were Division two.
It's in South Alabama, and so I was very bitter
when I got to college, thinking that, I mean, I'm
just going to be honest. I hate to say this,
but at the time I thought that I was too
good a player to be at this level of college.
But anyway, so I had never drunk alcohol in my
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entire life, and I drank alcohol over the summer before
my freshman year at the All Star game for high
school all star players for the first time of my life,
and unfortunately I took to it. And I'm going to
just make it short for this segment, so that one
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decision of drinking that first beer, it led to thirteen
years of never being back in the church, going through
a divorce, only being married two years, produced two children.
So thirteen years later, I'm out of football completely. I'd
been in rock bands, which is, by the way, is
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not the best therapy if you have a drinking problem
and chasing women. And so I'm now thirteen years later,
I'm on the radio doing a radio show. I meet
my wife, who was the newsperson on the show at
the time. Again I'm making a long story short. I
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end up convincing her to marry me, which that's only
God's grace. So, because not many young women, you know,
dream of Prince Charming driving a broken down car with
a mullet, with two little kids from a previous marriage
and an ex wife, most women don't dream of that.
So I go, what do I do next? Now I
haven't been in church in thirteen years. I'm living a
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life of complete debauchery, So what do. I do, though,
because it's my culture. I go to the local church
where the radio shows on, about forty five minutes from
my house, and I'm looking around to talk to somebody
about renting the church. Well, the pastor, his name is
Rick Cagile. He's gone on to be with the Lord.
Now I'm so thankful for him. He comes out, he says,
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kind of help you. I say, I'd like to rent
your church for a wedding. And he says, what do
you go to church here? I don't recognize you. I
said no, no, no. He goes, well, where do you
go to church? I said, well, I don't go to church.
And I said that ridiculous statement. You know you don't.
I had to go to church to be a Christian,
and I'll never forget it. He said, well, legalistically, you're right.
(21:05):
I mean we don't earn our redemption by going to church.
He said, however, I've never met someone who was truly
redeemed that didn't go to church. People don't go to
church to become justified. They go to church because they are.
And I thought, okay, whatever, And I think, all right, well,
thanks for your commentary. How much to rent this church?
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And He looked at me and he said, I'm not
going to marry you. And I said, oh you want
of these people want to marry somebody because they've been divorced.
He goes, No, that has nothing to do with my decision.
I'm not going to marry you because you're lost. I
said lost. I said, who are you to tell me
I'm lost. I've been baptized twice, which is true. I
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was baptized a child that I was baptized again as
a teenager because I never saw transformation, you know. And
so he said I know who you are. I said, okay,
he said, which means I know how you live. He goes,
you think we don't know about all the fights you
get in and bars around here. You think I don't
know about all the women you chase. You think I
don't know about the drunkenness and the times you've been
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taken in by the police. I know all this. I
listen to your show and I hear the jokes you
tell that have sexual innuendo. I know that you have
a foul mouth. And he goes, these are not stumbles.
This is not a mistake that you made. Every now, then,
this is who you are. You don't have any desire
to be in the church, and he goes, Frankly, I
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have too much respect for the power of Jesus Christ
and the Holy Spirit to call you redeemed. You don't
have any evidence of it none. And I thought, wow.
And so I walk out of there, you know. And
so I go home, and I live by myself at
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the time, and you know, the little bachelor's pad. My
kids would come over, you know, for weekends and things
like that, and I mean, I was like, man, what
this guy said. I can't get this out of my
out of my mind, I can't get this out of
my heart. And I knew it was right, and I
just I started dealing with the truth of that. And
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so I just got down on my face in my home.
I can still see the carpet, and I cried out
to God. I don't want to be who I am.
I don't know what to do. I have always believed
in you. I know that you went to the cross
to redeem the lost. I know that you rose from
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the dead on the third Day. I believe all that.
But I don't see I can't change. I'm getting darker
and I'm getting worse. So I know that you love
me because I know the Gospel. And this is what
I had to say, Mike, and I hope people listening
there maybe people in the same situation I was in.
And what I said next is hard to say, but
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I knew it was true. I said, but I don't
love you. I know that you love me, but I
don't love you, and I want you to teach me
to love you. And I said so, I just asked
right now, as best I know how, I asked that
you forgive me. I asked that you take this away.
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I asked that you change me. I've tried to do
things my way and I look what I produced. I
want to do things your way. So I want to
leave my own authority and I want to be under
your authority. And will you please teach me to love you,
because if I love you, then I think it'll change
me because I believe that you can. And in that moment,
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everything began to change, and I knew that for the
first time in my life, I had left a fault.
I was a cultural Christian, you know, it was part
of the culture. But once I began to study the Bible,
I realized, Mike that what I really had before this
moment was a demonic faith. I believe to think the
same things about Jesus at the d belief. I started
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seeing this all throughout scripture, and I'm like, the demons
know exactly who he is. Then I read kindly read
James where he says, so you believe in the Trinity great,
So did the demons, and they shudder at the sound
of his name. And I thought, wait a minute, the
repentance is what's missing. I've never repented of my sin.
I've never left my own authority and placed myself under
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the lordship of Jesus Christ. I've never done that before.
No wonder I haven't been transformed because I haven't accessed
the power to transform me. I don't have the Holy Spirit.
My spirit is dead. And it changed that day and
then my wife and I Rick Cagle came back and
he did marry us. We went into premarital counseling. We
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both repented of all of our sin the minute we
got back from our honeymoon. We went to a little
bitty local church in our hometown where an older pastor
and these older men of the church and these older
women began to disciple us and we just had a
hunger for the word of God. And from that day on,
everything changed, and it continues to change.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Hey, man, I got to tell you, Rick, I have
tears coming down my cheek because it just I was
doing some things similar to you, right, one hundred percent
irish out playing softball with the boys and hitting bars
and doing that stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
And you know, God came, Jesus came to a dark place.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I didn't have to get myself all cleaned up before
I went to him. He came to a really dark
place and said, Okay, now it's time.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Let's go. Let's get this thing together, and let's get
you moving forward.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
And you know, I grew up in Catholic schools and
they told me to carry the Bible, don't open it,
We'll tell you what's in it. And so I knew
everything I knew about Jesus Christ the way I knew
Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I knew all the stories, but I had no relationship.
And your testimony is so powerful, and I hope that
you get a chance to share that testimony a lot.
I remember the first time I got a chance to
go to a men's group in person from doing faith
in the zone at church. I knew nothing about the
pastor listens to faith in the zone. He called me
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and asked me to speak at as his men's stakeout
and there are two hundred and fifty guys and I
had to share my testimony and I was so embarrassed, sick.
I was so embarrassed, and I told him, Hey, never
call me. Don't tell your buddies to call me. I'm
never doing that again. And this guy said, you think
this is about you? And I went ooh, ouch, hey,
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I have to tell you. I Pastor Rick Cagel, who's
no longer with us, I hope that he understood before
he left the earth the impact that what he said
to you, well, he was man enough to go you
don't think I know who you are like you don't
think that I know all the stories. I'm not going
to marry you, You're lost. And for him to be
man enough and that's look, you want to go back
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to the man church that you founded, that's part of that.
We have to be bold enough to say those words
to people. And I love the fact that Pastor Rick
Hegel was able to look you in the eye and say, no,
I'm not going to mirror you, because I know all
about you, and I give him a lot of credit.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, I want, let me tell you a beautiful thing.
And so he passed. You know, he got to see
the transformation and the sanctification starting. So he passed and
I was going out and speaking. By then, the Man
Church had not started yet, but he and I were
actually talking about the planning of the need of the
Man church. But Sherry and I were already doing that's
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my wife's name, already doing marriage stuff. I was going
out and speaking and even in churches, and so we
got to see all that, and he got to see
the radio show being used by God, you know, be
open about our faith and certainly entertaining and earning the
right to share. So he saw the fruit. And so
when he passed, he was it was a pretty good
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way to where he was pastoring at the time. And
I told my wife, I said, you know, one of
his son's contact to me, but I don't think there's
any way I can get to that funeral. And my
wife said, what are you talking about. I said, well,
maybe it's on a weekday and I got to get
back to work tomorrow, but it's a pretty good drive.
And she said, well, then go get on the plane.
And I said, what do you mean, she goes if
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I was in that, if I'm his children and i'm
his grandchildren, I'm his wife. And this is the day
that you finally get to stand up and tell his
family how God used him to transform our lives. They
need to hear that. They want to hear that as
they lay his body down, you're going. And so I
did get a chance to do that.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You know, Rick, I love my wife, but your wife
is a close second. Right now, I have to be
honest with you. Good for her, good for her, And
I'm really happy you were able to do that. And
the fact that he looked you in the eye, shook
your hand but said no, I know all about you
and you're lost. I just think what a powerful thing
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for a grown man to tell another grown man and
say and say, look, you can you're not running this church.
Maybe you're rented, but I'm accountability. Yeah, accountability.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
He protected, Yeah, he protected the sanctity of the church
like the apostle. Paul says, Look, sometimes you're you think
you're being so gracious, but if people are lost and
they're they're they're they're they're having their detriment to the
purity of the church. You gotta deal with that. He
didn't do that because he was mean. He didn't do
that because he was sanctimonious or self righteous. He did
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that because he loved Christ. And then the process, he
loved me enough to tell me the truth and it
saved my life.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Amen, he is Rick Burgess. Here's the best thing you
can do. Google Rick Burgess, b U, R G. E. S. S.
You can go to his the Rick Burgess Show. You
can listen to past shows that he that he has done.
Go to Burgess Ministries. Through there, you can go to
the Man Church. If you google this man, there's a
lot of ways to be able to listen read about
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some of the things that not only he's doing, but
his wife Sherry is doing as well. We're going to
get to a break. Other side of the break. I
want to go back to this book Men Don't Run
in the Rain. I've got a number of questions, and
then that last segment, we'll ask Rick the same question
we ask all our guests. Putting all the uniforms in
the closet, which one do you pull out? We'll do
that in the fourth segment, This is Faith in the
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Zone on Fox Sports nine twenty and your iHeart Radio App.
Welcome back to Faith in the Zone on Fox Sports
nine twenty and your iHeartRadio App. Coming from the Donovan
and Jorgensen Heitiy Cooling Studios. Our special guest. He's a
national radio host. He's the author of Men Don't Run
in the Rain, and he's the founder of the Man Church.
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He is Rick Burgess. More information on Rick, you can
google his name, or you can go to the Manchurch
dot com, go to Burgessministries dot com, or to Rickburgessshow
dot com. He is really, really busy, and I can
tell you this. He doesn't know this, but I'd love
to have Sherry join us one day on Faith in
his own because the things I've read about her and
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the things that Rick has talked about with her, I
feel like her wife, my wife and his wife are
pretty similar where they will put us in our place
a little bit. When she said, look, get on a plane.
You've got to go to that funeral. This you know,
Rick Hagel is the guy that changed our life, and
you have to go there, and you've got to let
people know that story. I love what Sherry has done
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with this. Hey, rickwa, I want to talk more about
this book because it had such an impact on me. Again,
men don't run in the rain. That was a statement
that your dad said to you. You know, it was
raining out and you were going to run to the
car and he said, no, no, men don't run in
the rain. And there are so many things in this
book where I just think that so many people can
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learn and if they do it the way I did it,
which you read a chapter and then go in the
back and answer the questions that are being asked. That's
where you get the most out of this book. And
if you just read it and you don't do the questions,
you'll get it's something out of it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
You will.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But if you go back and answer these questions, honestly,
I think you're gonna get as much out of this
book as I have. And I would highly recommend Men
Don't Run in the Rain.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Rick.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
When when people ask you about your father and the
impact that he had on your life, not only as
a coach but as a man, you know, what are
they what? What are the reader's digest clipped on? What
you you have gotten out of being his son? What
would you say to that well.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
First of all, he was steady. That was the whole
Men don't run in the rain. You don't. We're not
gonna be frantic, you know. I mean, your family can't
look at you and see some guy who's freaking out
over the rain.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
But but so he always are. We always felt safe,
and I think I think a man must make his
family feel safe. My dad was authoritative and he was
not to be uh, you know, crossed. His discipline was
always swift, It was always you know, severe. He got
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the job done. But here's the thing you must get
from this. Please, please, please don't picture my dad as
being the great Santini. He was not some tyrant. He
was fun. His laughter filled the house. My dad was hard,
but he was fair, and he encouraged you with the
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same intensity that he corrected you with. He did. He
was never one of those guys that you only heard
from him when you were doing it wrong, but you
never heard from him when you were doing it right.
He did equal. He never brought his work home. He
was our dad at home. He was our coach on
the field. Playing football for my dad in high school
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was not a nightmare. It was actually a beautiful experience
that I cherish. So he was humble, he was influential
without even trying, and he was very comfortable in his
own skin, and everybody around him benefited from his presence.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Rick, and you talked about, Look, if your father was
not a great father, then you'd be a good father.
If your father was not president in your life, then
you be present in your kid's life. If your father
didn't do this, then you do this. And I got
a lot out of that because I can tell you that,
you know, my dad was a tough guy, right. He
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was a bricklayer and a mason, and he was I
was the fourth boy two we had six kids. I
was the youngest boy, so my three older brothers had
moved out, and I was mouthy, and I can tell you.
At his funeral, one of the bricklayer buddies of his
came and asked, which one is Michael, And I said
I am, And he said, so you're the tough one,
and I said, excuse me. He said, your dad was
(35:47):
so proud of you because you could take a belt
whooping with the best of them. I go, that's what
he was proud of me of. He goes, oh yeah,
and I thought to myself, who would ever, you know,
take a whooping to their son and then go to
the job the next and tell people that boy, that
youngest son and mine can take a whooping with the
best of them, like I don't. That's so when I
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moved out of their house when I was seventeen, and
I was sitting in this apartment and back then having
a beer and doing whatever I was doing with very
little faith in my life, I did say, God, if
I'm ever blessed with kids, I will never drink in
front of them, and I will never hit them in anger.
And I was almost able to accomplish that. But the
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lessons that he taught us, you know where some of
them were don't do it this way right, and some
things like that. And I also coached my son, and
I was the first year I coached him in high school.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Rick.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I was not very good at it. I was I
tried to be as coach twenty four to seven, and
I was the adult in the room, and I had
to make the change, right, I had to make that change,
and we made that change. So I love the fact
that you enjoyed playing for him, because not everybody enjoys
playing for their fathers, no doubt about that, and that.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
That what you're talking about is the epilogue's actually the
last thing in the book, and that actually I know
where I want to be a good steward of our time.
But I want to tell you how that where that
came from. It wasn't going to be in the book.
And someone on our team at the Maanchurch dot com said,
you know what I struggle with reading this because they
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saw the book, you know, before everybody else, before it
was out. And I said, what do you mean? And
he says, well, I didn't have a dad like that,
and you know what is a man of God? I
struggle with the honor your mother and father that were
commanded you know, by God. I struggle with that. And
so I went through what you already said. I said, well, no, no,
you have to understand what that's saying. That has nothing
to do with the way your dad lived. It has
to do with how you're going to live. He said,
(37:43):
what do you mean? And I said, no, no, what
your dad did that doesn't mean that you go around
saying that's okay. And of course they were much worse
off than what you were talking about. They had a
severe relationship with their dad, as many people do sadly,
And I said, no, this means you live your life
bring honor to them, whether they deserve it or not.
And then the things they did wrong you do right.
(38:06):
That's how you bring honor to them. You don't, it's
not the way they live, it's the way you're going
to live. And then after I finished what is now
the epilogue in the book, he said that has to
be in the book. There's men like me everywhere. And
I'm like, well, I didn't really expect to put this
in the book. He said, please go put that on paper,
and let's please add it to the book. And so
(38:27):
we did. And can I tell you won't be surprised.
I'll probably get some of the most comments about that epilogue.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Well, the epilogue. Here's the other thing that I highlighted.
And I'm so glad that you teed me up for this.
You say he valued me and cared enough for me
to not only care for me, but to discipline me.
And I think I just highlighted that like three times
with a red pen because I believe that so much.
(38:54):
Like you've got to love your kids enough to discipline them.
And in today's world, I think Rick's some of that
is gone.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Well, think about what God God's barriers, they're not They're blessings.
They're to keep us from destroying our lives. That He's
not a kill joy. These barriers are a blessing. Well,
when parents don't give their children any blessings, they're some
of the saddest children I know. These children. I grew
up with them. I ran around with some of them.
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Course they were quite dangerous because they didn't think they
would get in trouble for anything. And what it was is,
you know what I found. They were very sad. And
you know why they were sad. They knew that the
lack of barriers in their life and the lack of
discipline in their lives didn't mean that their parents loved them.
It means their parents didn't care. And that's the way
they interpreted it. Their parents didn't care enough to do
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the hard parenting for their own good.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Amen to that in the epilogue again in the chapter
I talked about where if it says if your dad
was a terrible husband, then be a great husband. If
your dad was a terrible daddy, then be a great daddy.
If your dad was a joke as a grandfather, be
the best grandfather your grandchildren have ever seen. And at
the end of that chapter it says this, It just
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means that you love Jesus enough not to deny the
grace and forgiveness to your dad that Jesus so freely
gives you. Where you talk about forgive him for some
of the look everybody tries, I think to be for
the most part, you know, they want to be a
good dad. Maybe they just don't have the skill set
to do it. But learn some things from what how
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you were parented and whether it's good or bad, and
make the changes to try to be better. And boy,
I'll tell you Rick, this book is, like I talked about,
It is as good as a book that I've read.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
In a long time. And it's got something in it
for everybody.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
When you talk about, you know, your dad, you know,
being a great guy and being funny and all that.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
When you see the picture on the cover of the book.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
He man, he looks like a lot of high school
football coaches that have known over the years. Man, that's
game day right there and picture of him. He go
he wants to go out and get a win that day.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Well, let me I say this before. If my dad
was coaching today, he would be in jail.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Ye, yes, yeah, I bet we talk about all the time.
Break back in the day, no water breaks. Take a
salt pill, a salt pill. You would be putting in
jail nowadays for that. And I'm sorry, but we have
got to get to a break on other side of
the break. We're gonna ask Rick Burgess for that question.
What uniform does he pull out of the closet. You
can google Rick Burgess, go to rickburgesshow dot com, go
(41:33):
to the Maan Church, go to Burgessministries dot com. A
lot of ways to learn about some of the things
that Rick does. You can hear his show and you
can pick this book up. Men Don't Run in the Rain,
and I would highly highly recommend that this is Faith
in the Zone on Fox Sports nine twenty in your
iHeart Radio app. Welcome back to Faith in the Zone
(41:55):
on Fox Sports nine twenty and your iHeartRadio app our
special guest, Rick Burgess, national radio host author that Men
Don't Run in the Rain. I cannot recommend this book enough.
Anybody that listens to this show, you pick this book up.
You're gonna You're gonna call me and you're gonna go. Man,
I learned. Did you see what he said in chapter five?
(42:15):
Did you see what he said in chapter seven? I
think there's just something in that book for everybody. Hey, Rick,
this was a throwaway question years ago that we now
ask every faith in the zone because the answers are
really good and thought provoking. All the uniforms you ever
put on, and you were a multi sport athlete, I
believe correct growing up. That's correct, All the uniforms you've
(42:38):
ever put on. We put him in the closet and
you get to pick one uniform out to get one
more game with that team. What uniform do you pick?
Who do you play against?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
And why?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Little a little quick note. The first football uniform I
ever put on Green Bay Packers. Green Bay Packers. I
got it for Christmas and I put it on. I
love the Packers, always have. One of my dearest friends
is actually rich Wingo Packer legend. But it wouldn't be
that one because I was just a little kid run
around the neighborhood. It would absolutely be old number seventy five.
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I would get out of the closet the home black jersey,
the home old gold pants, the black helmet, the gold
face mass, the gold strip with a little white outline
down the middle. I would play for Oxford High School.
I would go back to nineteen eighty two and I
would go to the state championship game that we lost
(43:33):
by three points, and I would go back out on
the field and I would say to myself, even though
I was injured, I was playing with an injury. I
would love to go. Can I take the injury away
when I go back, or have I got to play.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Through the injury and no injury?
Speaker 3 (43:48):
All right? I take the injury away and I go
out there in that black and gold uniform and I
go absolutely bonkers. And instead of the quarterback going back
and I almost get him on the ground complete pass
over the middle that was batted up in the air.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Oh no, I go.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
I get there a little quicker because I'm now not injured.
I sacked his butt and we win the state championship
in nineteen eighty two for the state of Alabama.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Well, and we're in the gold pants is big in
that that high school and your dad was there. You
didn't get gold pants until you played on varsity.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
That was big glorious gold pants. The glorious gold pants.
You know you had to wear your little practice white
pants up to that point. You came into that pack
stadium on a Friday night in Sweet Home, Alabama. There's
about fourteen thousand people about to go nuts. I mean,
it was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
He is Rick Burgess.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
I can't thank you enough, sir, and I really appreciate
your willingness to come on, Men Don't Run in the Rain.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
That's the book that I wanted him on to talk about.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
I want to thank my friend Steve for introducing me
to some of the things that Rick Burgess does. If
you google him, you'll be able to get to read
a lot of stuff about him. You can listen to
a lot of things and then pick up this book again,
Men Don't Run in the Rain. Hey, Rick, thanks a
lot for a few minutes your time. Have a great day.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Thank you, brother, It was my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
This is Faith in the Zone on Fox Sports ninet
twenty and your iHeartRadio app.
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