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June 24, 2025 • 36 mins
Today, Doug Pike interviews Cindy Wolverton, PhD about men's mental health.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey John, how's it going today?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
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(00:43):
with Doug Pike.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Right here we go for Tuesday, and welcome back to
fifty plus.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
First live day of the week and second what will
what you asked me a question before we got on here?
Try trying to let you.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Know I see well that no, that doesn't matter that much,
but thank you, thank you for trying to encode it
with American sign language. I do appreciate that those perfect.
We you know what we should both do? That we
could we could swap notes during a segment. I'll learn
if you will, I know a couple Yeah, me too. Never, No,

(01:28):
let's just just stop stop right there?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Will?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Thank you all for joining us during the what the
middle of this precursor I guess to a mostly most
likely at least rainy afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
It's been a pretty wild couple.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Of days around the world lately, and we send an
airborne armada halfway around the world to strike strategic nuclear
sites in Iran. And for the record, by the way,
we didn't go to war with Iran. We struck targets
within that country, very specific targets with a very specific.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Goal in mind.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
That made the world ultimately a lot safer for the
next many years to come. President Trump actually right after
that strike brokeered a truce agreement for those two Israel
and Iran to stop fighting. And it was promptly broken,
he said, by both Iran and Israel, which if you
heard the quote from him, you know he was not

(02:26):
happy at all about that. Both countries since then have
agreed to quit throwing missiles at each other, and we'll
see how long this lasts. This past week has generated
a tremendous amount of uncertainty in our own country, it
really has.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
And yeah, but the bigger.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Concerns I think seem to be settling out and actually
turning more toward a favorable view of the future than
they were maybe thirty six or forty eight or seventy
two hours ago. Wall Street was up significantly this morning,
Like I don't that point out have some four hundred
five hundred points recently as where all four of the

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market indicators were up last time I looked, and that
wasn't that long ago. And all the hand ringing and
concern you might have heard on the news over soaring
oil prices going to one hundred dollars a barrel not
happening countered by just this morning, by falling prices. Oil
was down more than three bucks a barrel this morning.

(03:29):
The last time I looked in that was just a
few minutes ago. So we're I think gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Knock on wood.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Don't want to jinx anything, but this is looking like
a pretty good move for a return to stability in
the Middle East, at least between a run in Israel.
And by the way, we've got our first tropical storm
on the National Hurricane Center map. It's named Andrea, and

(03:57):
it's in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and it's
moving away from North America. So you know, if only
they could all do that, wouldn't that be nice? There's
another one out in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean,
headed for farther out in the Atlantic Ocean where it
will fizzle and die because it's going to run into

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unfavorable conditions.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
That would be nice.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Bottom line, there's no reason to hoard anything, no reason
to stock up on anything. The main thing that folks
in this audience probably need to think about during storm
season is having about an extra week or potentially two
week supply of whatever important medications you take. That's probably
a good idea during any storm season, really during any

(04:44):
time of year. Just stay ahead, don't get down to
the last one or two or three of whatever you've
gotten that bottle. Go ahead and get get started with
the refill process. A little earlier than that, from the
get out of the desk comes word that lawmakers in
Washington have introduced a bill that would make blocking a

(05:06):
roadway during a protest a federal crime. It's called the
Safe and Open Streets Act, and it's sadly necessary.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
It's an addition to this nation's very long list of laws.
But this one in particular is if they can get
it passed, and they better get it past the Democrats
better not stop this. Blocking roads does a lot more
than just inconvenience drivers, while the other side sits in
the street and yells into a bullhorn and waves a

(05:37):
flag and does whatever they want to do. That is
not a peaceful protest. It's a dangerous, provocative act that
is in no way peaceful. They make people, They make
hard working people, make them late for work, maybe force
an ambulance to take a longer route to an emergency,
and they don't care.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
They don't care.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
They just want to disrupt everybody's day, want to draw
attention to themselves. And I would be more inclined to
listen to what they had to say if they were
standing on the corner and talking through their bullhorn and
not impeding people who don't necessarily want to hear them,
or who don't have the time to stop right then

(06:20):
and there. That would be far easier. Just get out
of the street, honest to goodness. More and more evidence
coming out too that a significant number of protesters we
see pretty much every time a hot left cause pops up,
are actually nothing but paid attendees, paid actors, if you will.
They're staged, they're paid, and they're handed signs and other materials.

(06:45):
You know, it's not coincidence that so many people at
these protests are carrying the exact same signs, very professionally made,
very clear lettering. They're they're all bad in the exact
same tambourine. And it's no accident. It's no accident. I

(07:05):
think they probably need the science to remember what cause
they're championing. That day all bought and paid for by
some very deep pockets literally around the world. There's one
guy I believe he lives in China. Actually he's not Chinese,
but he lives in China, and he's a bazillionaire and
he's been funding a lot of this stuff that's been

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going on lately. Get out of the street. Get out
of the street for your own safety and for the
peace of mind, the general wellness of everybody whose day
you're messing up by falsely thinking that you're doing anything
to help your cause by getting in the way.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
It's just not a good idea.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
From the Jasmine Crocket Desk, I never mind, that's not
worth our time. Berry Hill Grill, Berry Hill Baha Grill
down there in sugar Land of fifty nine at Sugar
Creek Boulevard is one of the best tex mex restaurants
I have ever entered and at which I have ever dined.
My wife and I had found berry Hill more than.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Thirty years ago. It's at least twenty something years I
know that.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
I can't remember exactly when we started, but from the
very first time we found it, it's kind of a
been a regular on our going out to eat list.
Very casual, very friendly, easy going people in there. Now
the sports bar side can get a little bit rowdy
if the astros have a big rally going on the
family side a little more quiet as a rule, and

(08:37):
just boosting tables over there, and then there's outdoor dining
as well, and everybody in there, I don't know, it
doesn't matter what they order, really is getting treated to
a delicious, consistent product that's been then put out, but
it's been put out by the basically the same two
head chefs in the kitchen for a decade plus. Apiece

(08:58):
right down there in sugar Land.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Very friendly.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
If you're new to Sugarland, just go in there and
raise your hand and say I'm brand new here and
need to make a friend, and then somebody over on
that sports bar side probably gonna probably gonna.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Wave you on in.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
If you're not from If you're not new to Sugarland,
you probably know about Barry Hill, and good for you.
I'll probably see you there sometime. Berryhillsugarland dot com. Berryhillsugarland
dot com.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Aged to perfection. This is fifty plus with Dougpike. All right,
welcome back to fifty plus. Thank you for listening. As
the clouds build around the region. I guess we'll talk
in this segment about mental health, and more specifically this
time about men's mental health, which you don't really hear in.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
The same sentence very off. Men are very different from women,
despite what you might have heard or read lately, and
as such, their mental health and mine and yours and
anybody else who's a guy, it kind of follows a
different map than that of women. And to help me,
I'm going to bring in doctor Cindy Wolverton, licensed clinical
psychologist and Assistant professor in the Department of Psychiatry at

(10:07):
Mcgovernment Medical School and a specialist in jero's psychology. That
would pretty much mean us, Is that correct, Cindy? You?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
No, no, not you, but the rest of us who
are listening to you.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, you got you?

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
So painting with a very broad brush, how would you
say men and women men and women differ in their
approaches to and concerns over their own mental health.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yeah, I think thank you. First off, thank you Doug
for having me to be a guest today. So I
appreciate being here. I you know, I think addressing men's
mental health is an extremely important topic. And like you mentioned,
you know, can look very different from females mental health.
And so one of the things that we know is
that particularly for older men versus older women, men may

(11:01):
have lower rates of mental illness compared to females. But
one of the things that's most concerning is that the
suicide rates are considerably higher for older men. Yeah, go ahead,
keep it.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
They keep it bottled up, don't they?

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Mm hmmm. And so there may be a lot of
different barriers that really impact a person's you know, openness
to talk about their mental health.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
You know, there's a lot of stigma attached still to
mental health even when I was growing up, especially, and
people just we didn't talk about it because mostly we
didn't have any real good sources of information about it.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Right.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Absolutely, I think there can be a lot of like
societal norms or views about masculinity and how that you know,
may mean strength and emotional restraints that can make it
really hard to be vulnerable and talk about certain emotions
and you know, be more open. Additionally, I think it

(11:58):
can really impact the what we know about mental health
among men as well, and may discourage like asking questions
or learning more about about men's mental health.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Just tuck it in a back pocket and not talk
about it. That's what most of them do.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Don't they.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
That can be one way.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's just not It's easier to ignore something
if nobody's bringing it up in conversation and even in
doctors' visits. I would think it's kind of hard for people.
Doctor Cindy Wolverton here on fifty plus. I'm presuming and
hoping that that's changed and that older men are at
least we do have the same access the same sources

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of help that everybody else has.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Right.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Absolutely, the access for you know, for seeking help is available.
I think there can be a lot of barriers that
might get in the way. So first, as you mentioned,
like maybe the views about opening up about mental health
concerns you mentioned like providers as well, right, And one
of the things that I think can a barrier are
misconceptions about aging. So sometimes there's a view that or

(13:06):
a belief that depression and anxiety can be a normal
part of aging, which is a myth that's completely false.
So what we know is that that can have an
impact on whether folks maybe bring up their concerns about
mental health or these changes they're noticing, or you know,
if a provider has less knowledge about how to work

(13:27):
with older individuals or these concerns that folks might have,
they may dismiss it as also a part of normal aging,
which is a huge problem.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, there's a big difference between cognitive decline and mental illness.
One is a medical condition, the other the mental illness
part of it just it just kind of comes in,
It works its way in very sneakily and cleverly into
your brain, doesn't it well.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
And we know that as we're getting older, there can
be a lot of life transitions that can also have
an impact or an influence on whether a person begins experiencing,
you know, depression or anxiety or other mental health concerns.
And so I think you know it can being aware
of some of the signs can be really helpful, not

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just for the individual, but for the family if they
recognize any signs of changes in a person's mood. I
think one of the things that we know about older
individuals is they may not always describe feeling depressed or
feeling down. Instead, they may say that they've like lost
the interest in things they used to enjoy, or talk

(14:37):
more about physical changes like pain or fatigue, and so
keeping an eye out for some of those changes. If
someone's starting to withdraw from social activities, seeming maybe a
little bit more irritable, or you know, maybe neglecting taking
care of themselves as they usually would, both could be

(14:58):
things that might raise some red flag for us. Also,
increased use of alcohol or any substances can also be
a factor that we may want to consider.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, it's very difficult to see that, especially if the
person we're talking about lives by themselves. Maybe they're somebody
I want to stay in the family home. I don't
want to go to assisted living, I don't want to
go anywhere. I just want to be right here. But
if that person is not being seen and not being
talked to regularly, it could be kind of a downhill

(15:30):
spiral pretty quickly, couldn't it.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Absolutely? And I think that's why you know, really important
to have a family and friends input. As a provider,
I always like to hear from the family and friends
because that can give me a lot of more information
about how any changes that a person has been noticing,
or that the family or friends have noticed as well.
But I think, go ahead, Sorry.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
I'm just gonna say well, and again it comes back
to a guy, older men wanting to just kind of
clam up and and act like everything's okay.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
But if the family sees that stuff, you need to
know about it, don't you.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah. I think that's going to be really an important
opportunity to ensure that we're connecting folks. We're assessing whether
there are any changes in mood and providing helpful treatment recommendations,
getting folks really connected with the care they deserve.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
And hopefully I think we need to establish there there
are no First of all, there are no magic solutions
they're going to turn a frown upside down in a
week or even a month or two, And no bootstraps
you can pull up. This is something that's if you're
going to break or fix something that's broken like this,
it's going to take some time, and it's going to
take a total change of the thought press process.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Right, and that's where therapy can be really helpful. There's
a lot of evidence, a lot of literature and supporting
these evidence based psychotherapies that really can have been helpful
in addressing depression, anxiety, and a variety of other mental
health concerns. And so that's where you know, if a

(17:05):
person's open to talking with the therapist, I think that
that's one of the biggest things that we can really
ensure a person gets access to. There's also you know,
talking with our providers about medication resources. You mentioned socializing,
and I think that's one thing that we know really

(17:26):
helps support our mental well being, especially as we're getting older.
There's a number of things like continuing to do the
things that we love, hobbies, interests, keeping staying active, physical exercise,
and I know that can be quite challenging, you know,
if there's any changes that a person's experiencing, especially related

(17:48):
to their health or other things.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
I think kind of the bottom line, we're at the
end of our time. Unfortunately, you can't fix something that
nobody knows is broken. And it's okay to talk about
all of this stuff, whether if you and if you
need that nine eight eight crisis hotlines there even nine
to one one just before anything really goes off the rails,
talk to somebody, right.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Absolutely, yep. The Suicide and Crisis Lifeline is a really
helpful resource, and I wanted to share that. Like, they
also have options for texting chatting as well as resources
for individuals who are death or heart of hearing, so
I just wanted to share that as well. There's a
lot of ways to get connected with caref needed.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
If you want help, you can get it. Thank you, doctor, absolutely, yeah.
I greatly appreciate your time. I really do.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
We'll do it again sometime.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
All right, we got to take a break on the
way out.

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Then they sure don't make it like they used to.
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Speaker 3 (20:10):
Let me get this piece of paper moved off to
the side so that I can get back to focus
on this.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
From the ah, yeah, we got to go there.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
From the far left desk, which sadly continues its efforts
to dismantle us by neutering law enforcement, comes word that
several states now are considering laws that would prohibit police
from making routine traffic stops for what these bills consider
minor violations overly dark tent on their windows, maybe expired tags,

(20:45):
even the smell of marijuana coming out of the car,
just pouring out cheech and chong stuff. But it's still
okay to check somebody for alcohol consumption, of course, as
if that's not contradictory. And these proposals are being made,
to say the lawmakers who presented them are being done
in the names of racially equity, excuse me, racial equity

(21:06):
and public safety. The criminals in those states are gonna
be throwing parties over this. They're being given nothing short
of a free pass to get away with stuff that
some of those traffic stops exposed as larger crimes. There

(21:28):
were larger crimes being committed than the ten on the
windows or then the marijuana smoke coming out of the car,
but no more. They can't even be pulled over. And
I don't know how that's gonna benefit anybody but the
bad guys, because and I'm not saying everybody who's missing
the headlight or a tail light it's a bad guy.

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But I'm saying that a lot of people who whose
minor violations might go unnoticed or unfixed for a long
time are choosing to do other things with their time
then go volunteer in a soup kitchen.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
It's very tough. It's gonna be very tough.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
For law enforcement and make it granted, it's gonna streamline
the court system and not gonna be as many people
coming through there. I get that, but I don't know
whether that's gonna solve anything as far as lowering crime rates.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
How does that happen?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
This is get a free pass to do more stuff
and commit more crimes against law abiding citizens, while almost
half this country believes that's going to accomplish something other
than that. All right, back to President Trump's desk for
a little while, where the left is criticizing him for
bombing around nuclear facilities and barely leaving a scratch on
anything else. By the way, this was a very specific

(22:53):
strategic strike and a reminder that Presidents Obama, Clinton, and
Biden also dropped ordinance in the Middle East during their terms,
and President Biden actually returned several billion dollars in frozen
assets to Iran on promise that they use it for
humanitarian purposes and send us a thank you card. I

(23:14):
guess I don't know. I don't know what all the
qualifications were to get that money unfrozen, but I can
pretty much bet you every dollar of it went straight
to nuclear development, and either that or those rebel groups
they fund of international terrorists. Most everybody on the left
new that's where those those dollars were going, and did

(23:35):
absolutely nothing to slow it down or stop it.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
It's very frustrating.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
You have to deal with with people who deliberately do
things that any right minded person could see would not
be in the best interests of this country, and yet
they trot it out there like the emperor's new clothes.
Oh yeah, I look at my new outfit. We get
all this money I'm gonna give to Iran, you know,
because they're gonna build ghouls and feed hungry.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Children with it. No, no, they're not. That regime is
going to do no such thing with any dollar it
can get his hands on. All right, Will, let's stop
here for a second. Okay, let's just pause and go
to you for your selection among these three things, very interesting,

(24:22):
not so sweet dreams, and scared to go back not
so sweet dreams.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
A new study found that too many nightmares can kill
you people who average at least one nightmare?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
How often do you have nightmares?

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Will?

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Every day?

Speaker 3 (24:40):
No? Honestly, seriously, I have a nightmare here, I have
a nightmare there, nightmare.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
There are a nightmare everywhere? A nightmare. Nightmare? Yes, a word,
oh my word.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Well that just People who average at least one a
week are three times more.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Likely to die before they are seventy. So I'm in
the sweets pleas. That's right. You didn't want to live
very long, did you? Yeah? What was your what was
your number? Since seventy seventy? Really, it's a good time.
You're there. Just run it out, run it out to
the end, and stop.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
I would like to get since I'm fast approaching that
number already.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
When you get a little closer to seventy, will you're
gonna change your tune? You You'll change your tune. I
don't know when you were my age, were you saying seventy?
Probably you think so? Probably?

Speaker 4 (25:32):
So?

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, Man, My father passed away when he was sixty five.
Sixty five, And in hindsight that when I when he passed,
I thought, well that I lived a pretty good long time.
But not really, not now that I'm past that number
and looking back at it and feeling blessed that I've

(25:54):
made it this far. And I think a big part
of what helped me is what took him out, and
that was smoking, very heavy smoker. And I was a
smoker at the time, but not after that. All right, Will,
smart kid? Losing our minds or Granny.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Had some secrets losing our minds?

Speaker 3 (26:13):
I'm sure I could lure you to Granny chat GPT
according to this little story I read this morning. Maybe
eroding already eroding our critical thinking skills. I didn't take long,
did it.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Computers are going to run the world, will I'm telling you,
I met a man we're gonna interview, probably tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I'm gonna confirm it with him.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
On Sunday afternoon, late Sunday, I went up to the
golf club at Blackhawk and was gonna try and get
in nine holes and just see what's up, then maybe
do a little fishing. And I ended up there was
a guy all by himself also behind me, and the
two of us were stuck behind three people in front
of us who played at the speed of molasses in January,

(27:01):
and so I kind of waved back to him and
motioned for him to come on up and join me,
which he did. And it turned out that he is
a cancer surgeon over at m D Anderson, and I'm
going to interview him tomorrow about what he said or
some He specializes in pancreatic cancer, you know how bad

(27:21):
that is, and he said there's some actual new stuff
in line for that, so we'll talk to him tomorrow.
On the way out, I'll tell you about UT Health
Institute on Aging, as I've been doing now for the
better part of ten years and happily doing it. It's
a collaborative of more than a thousand providers around here.
I don't know exactly how many, but it's a bunch,
and all of them have additional training to what got

(27:43):
them their certificate or diploma or whatever from medical school,
and now they know more about how they can apply
their knowledge, specifically to seniors. It's a tremendous benefit to
any of us who are in that category and who
need help with something very specific medically, because you know,

(28:03):
if you deal with somebody as part of that collaborative,
they're going to be able to help you as well
or better than anybody else in town. Mostly in the
medical center, as you might suspect, but also many of
them practice in outlying communities like sugar Land and Kingwood
and Paarland and Katie all around town, friends would wherever

(28:24):
it is. They're there for us to see when we
need them if we either are uncomfortable or just flat
don't want to go to the med center for any reason.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
UT Health Institute on Aging. Go to the website. Check
it out. It's got a ton of resources.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Utch dot edu, slash aging, utch dot edu, slash aging.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Once Life without a Net. If I suggest to go
to bed, sleep it off.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Just wait until this show's over, Sleepy. Back to Dougpike
as fifty plus continues.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Ugh a right, Welcome back to fifty plus. Thanks for listen.
I do appreciate it. Where do I want to go
from the What's next? Desk?

Speaker 3 (29:09):
I think is not a bad place to start this
one with references to the recent past administration and the present.
One comes from my concern over the whereabouts and intentions
of the thousands of young Irani men who walked into
this country while President Biden was at the helm open borders. Anybody,
come on in. We don't care who you are, we

(29:31):
don't care what you want to do to us. We
don't care whether you like us or hate. It's just
come on in.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
We'll give you a bunch of free stuff, and at
some point we're going to try and find a way
to help you vote.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
It would be incredibly naive to think that all of
those young, fighting age men came here to open small
businesses or study at our universities and pay taxes and
just immerse themselves in the American lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
That not a chance, just not a chance.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
And President Biden left in his legacy so many thousands
of these people from several countries by the way, that
need to be caught and escorted out of here before
they can do something really dangerous or really deadly. There's
it would be incredibly foolish to believe that these people
are not are not plotting and planning. And now that

(30:24):
we've done what we did over there to take out
those nuclear facilities. There's bound to be some repercussion, and
I hope we can catch these things before they actually
come to fruition and get out of control. From the
good guy with a gun desk comes word from Michigan

(30:45):
where there was a man outside of a church this
past Sunday, man outside of a church decides he's just
gonna start shooting off or I believe it was a rifle.
I'm pretty sure it was a rifle he had with
him and intended for all intents and purposes. Nobody'll ever know, really,
but I would suspect. And it's alleged, let's just use

(31:09):
that word. That word comes in so handy. It's alleged
that this guy was going to go in and probably shoot.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Up the church.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Quacks like a duck, walks like a duck. A good
guy with a gun. A security guard who worked for
the church went out and confronted the man and ended
up shooting him and killing him the alleged potential mass shooter,
and probably prevented something really really bad from happening. Really really,

(31:41):
this guy had already touched off a lot of rounds
outside front of the church. And video from inside the
church when the shooting starts shows the congregation doing actually
doing a bang up job.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
I didn't mean to that was not deliberate. I did
a fantastic job of ushering.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
The people who took charge were very quick to usher
everybody who was just kind of standing around not knowing
what to do. Get them out the back of the building,
get them moved to the back of the building, away
from the trouble. They did a really good job of that,
and it's interesting to watch. It's very interesting to watch
how efficiently the people who were inside the church and

(32:26):
in the main room there were not there anymore. So
even if that guy had made it in, I think
it would have been kind of a waste of his time.
There wouldn't have been any targets left inside. The guy
who stopped that threat serves a metal I think. And
it'll be interesting to see how Michigan handles this case,

(32:46):
because Michigan, not exactly it's not one of the most
conservative states in the country. I'll be really curious to
see how that goes. How much time do we have, well, two.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Or three, we have three minutes, I'll do let's just
lighten it up. For the rest. Because there's so much darkness.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Let's put some light back in the room.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
I'll go to smart kid, Granny had secrets or behave? Behave.
Seventy year old bee keeper in Spain.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Got so upset about being stopped by the police that
he unleashed his bees on the officers.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Now I don't know how that works. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
I'm presuming he was driving a truck with a bunch
of hives on there and transporting him somewhere for the
growing season whatever.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I don't know. But the long and the.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Short of it is that forced those police to go
take shelter in a nearby restaurant. And I didn't bother
reading the full story, I.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Don't know whether he got away or not. Well, what
do you think? I mean, maybe depends on how many
bees he had.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
It depends on here's that depends on. It depends on
whether he's willing to sacrifice his bees for his own
personal safety or for his own personal reasons over a
parking ticket or a speeding ticket. Because if he takes
off and leaves those bees there, then they're not gonna
find their way back to the high and he's gonna

(34:27):
have to get more bees somehow.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I don't even know how you get bees? Do you
order them? Bees are US online? Amazon? Yeah? See if
you canet see if you ordered live.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Bees on Amazon real quick? Will what have we got now?
About two minutes?

Speaker 4 (34:43):
No?

Speaker 3 (34:44):
We have one minute and fifteen seconds? Okay, Well now
I'm gonna tell you Granny's secrets.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
So up in Canada somewhere, there's a family that is
challenging the will of an eighty four year old woman,
a relative now, and she left her one million dollar
estate to someone other than a blood relative. You want

(35:10):
to take any kind of a guess as to whom
that million buck estate was left to?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
A lover?

Speaker 3 (35:19):
You know, I don't even know if it could be
considered that serious a relationship because the description doesn't say lover,
it doesn't say boyfriend, It says male escort. Granny had
it going on, huh.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
You think she.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Was living her life a little bit, you know, Yeah,
And it's her life to live. And those people are
all upset because they're not getting her money. But if maybe,
if they'd have been nicer to her, maybe, if there's
a lot of reasons they could have been included in that.
But I bet she had her reasons for not including either.
All right, that's gonna do it for today. We'll be
back tomorrow. Thank you all for listening. Here comes the rain.

(35:58):
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