July 12, 2025 • 44 mins
Take your garden to the next level! We talk about plants that add height to the garden and plants that grow at higher elevations.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Broadcasting from Studio A Here at Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs.
It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella, me,
Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well,
today the start of a four part series, Elevation Future Weeks.
We're going to talk about rejuvenation, revelation, and inspiration, but
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today we take it to the next level. And Stacey,
wayback in episode twenty nine, which now has one hundred
and forty three thousand YouTube views, we talked about tendrils, clingers, climbers, twiners,
and ramblers. Sounds like a nineteen fifties rock and roll group.
Today we're going to talk about vines and climbers. But
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elevation is so much more than that. Elevation in raised
beds and containers. Elevations in design adds so much character
to a garden and a landscape. It takes it to
another level. I mean, to elevate oneself. You know, motivators
tell us to hang around successful, happy people. Well why
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not hang around successful happy plans.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
That's what it's all about for me, That's right. You
know I can't. I don't have time for any losers
in that garden, they get evicted and replaced to something else.
It's a perpetual audition.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I love it. Perpetual audition. Another episode we did was
an episode on layering in the garden, modulating elevations, and
I just want to remind folks that, you know, we
we basically came to an agreement that it's a game changer.
You can do this with grating or hardscaping materials, using
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a raised or mounded planting bed. It develops an interesting
esthetic effect in your landscape because if everything just sits
at the same level, you kind of get you know,
it can get somewhat boring to the eye. But when
you change elevations, it makes all the difference in the world.
That's why many people enjoy raised planting beds. And then,
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of course, elevation is a big factor in the habitat
characteristics of plants because of climate solar radiation, extreme temperature changes,
low and erratic precipitation, humidity, et cetera, et cetera. So
I'm talking about altitudes and where plants are native too,
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and Stacey, for me, the perfect example are the tough
stuff hydranges, the mountain serrata hydranges and how incredible they
perform in the landscape minor in full bloom right now.
But of course this hydrangea is used to higher elevation.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
That's right, that's where the mountain in the name mountain
hydrangea comes from. So basically what happened is thatuntain hydrangeas
and the more popular or better known big leaf hydrangea
native to the exact same areas of Japan. But the
big leaf hydrangels grow way down on the seaside where
it's milder, and the mountain hydrangeas grow up in the mountains,
so they have naturally evolved a better resistance to cold,
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because if they were always getting killed back and they
never flowered, they would have gone and zinc. So it's
an interesting way that elevation has kind of helped to
give us a plant that actually performs better for us
even down here at sea level and for.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Me the tough stuff top fun.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Wow, Yeah, that's a great plant. That's beautiful color on
that plant. You know, the mountain hydrangeas. If you have
not consistently had good luck with other big leaf hydranges,
I think that the mountain hydrangels are a great place
to start. They do typically contribute more hardiness to a plant,
and some of our hardiest, best performing hydranges for cold
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climates are a hybrid of the big leaf and the
mountain hydrangeas. So like Let's Dance Skyview hydrange on, one
of our most popular hydranges is actually a hybrid of
both of them, and so it gets all the cold
heartiness and reliability from the serrata and all of the
amazing color and big flowers in performance because sometimes the
serrada is on their own not quite as bright. Although
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you just mentioned top fun now that is one that
has really changed that. That is one of our brightest,
if not the brightest, mountain hydrangee on the market.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And Let's Dance Skyview perfect for today's perfect.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
For your outfit. Your outfit is very Skyview.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I like their elevation show. Now for people who are
listening to the podcast or radio, you may be wondering
what I'm wearing today.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
You'll have to check it out on the ear. It's
hydrange of themes.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Anyhow, this show is going to be simply divine. That's right,
divine intervention today. Sorry, my garden puns are ripening. Just vine.
Soon they'll be full grown.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay, you mustn't cling to the same old pond.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Nicely done. You may have heard them before, but maybe
they haven't. Speaking of vines, I was doing some reading
recently and there was this article endorsed by the Denver
Botanic Garden and Colorado State University. They recommended Kinsley ghost honeysuckle,
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and I thought that that was really interesting. Although the
plant was I believe, discovered in Fort Collins, Colorado.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So it was originally it came from Iowa, Okay, but
then yes, it was rediscovered in Fort Collins by a
nurseryman who saw it growing in someone's yard and basically
slammed on the brakes of his car and was like,
what is that? I must have it and went up
to the owner of the home and was like, what's
going on with this amazing honeysuckle that you have here?
And that's how we're able to get it? So it did,
you know? It made its way to Colorado. But it
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is so well suited to Colorado's climate, and it does
it does beautifully here. But in Colorado with that high
elevation hence sun in those dry soils, Wow, it is
at its best there, the most silvery blue, just most
incredible fan lastic.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah, they had recommended it with an elevation guide up
to eight thousand, one hundred and fifty feet. That's some elevation.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, that's pretty high.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Other elevation plants, of course, weeping white spruce, Picea glaucapendula.
I always think of that when I think of elevation
plants with its sweeping branches, I think about snowstorms and
the plant being able to handle the weight of the snow.
But again, when we're talking about elevation, you can talk
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about plants like north pole, arbor vide, purple pillar, hibiscus,
any of these plants that can create some height in
the landscape. And Stacey, I love a panicle hydrangea that's
grafted to a standard for height in the landscape.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, they're not usually grafted, but they do have height
in the landscape. But they are actually specially trained to
grow that way without graphing. Now that's certainly not true.
All of all treeform, shrubs, rose standards or tree form
are typically grafted, but panic hydranges are not. And you know,
it is so important that we make sure that we
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have some height in our gardens, and that we mix
it up, that we don't just conglomerate at all in
one area, which is very tempting sometimes if you're trying
to create privacy to just kind of line it up.
That's actually what's happening in my garden. So do as
I say, not as I do. But it's important to
have that height throughout hide some views. It just I
think that one of the marks of great success in
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a garden is a sense of enclosure. It's good to
have some borrowed scenery and see some things off into
the distance, but it's also good to have that feeling
of being just completely surrounded by the garden. It's what
I think really adds so much magic, and really the
best way to accomplish that is with height, either through
tree and shrubs or vines on different structures. There's so
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many ways you can do it.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, today we'll talk about some clingers with aerial roots,
like I personally like climbing hydrangea. I think they can
be very impressive. But then we get into, as Stacey
would say, mind numbing nomenclature when we talk about climbing
hydrangea versus false hydrangea and rose, sensation and all kinds
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of Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, I would never call nomenclature mind numbing. I do
love it and my numbing to others perhaps mind numbing
to you are listeners, but not to me. I love
it and a.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Vine I love in my landscape. Cucumbers, just simple cucumbers.
The tendrils are so much fun. I have some pictures
to share on YouTube. I build a little frame, a
wire frame, grow them on a forty five degree angle.
I think it's perfect for cucumbers, good air movement, reach
up to the sun, easier for pollinators. I think it's
the only way to grow cucumbers. And a cucumber in
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the landscape I believe is a great way to get elevation.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It is and you can eat them too, so it's
win win.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Win win. So here's a limb a rick to end
this segment. And I was thinking about investing in elevation.
I'm really not a fan of inflation. I much rather
celebrate elevation when things go higher. I'll be a buyer
if there are plants for my plantation. Everything's going up.
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They say costs out of control and run away. Spare
me the taxation and fees agitation. I'll take a floriferous
vine any day. This plant your roof will eclipse the walls.
It tightly grips you bought it on sale. Its size
can't curtail time to get out your best snips, and
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coming up in segment four, we'll talk about some of
those vines that you can include in your landscape to
get elevation. Plants on Trial is next here on the
Garden Simplified Ship.
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welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where the theme
of today is elevation, which is to say, plants that
go up, whether it is through their natural height or
because you are growing them up some sort of upright
structure like a fence post or pergola or something like that.
It's so important to have plants on that plane to
give you that magical sense of enclosure. It really makes
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such a difference. So if you're ever looking around your garden,
you're kind of like, hmm, it's kind of boring. Everything's
like all in the same plane. You need some elevation.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Take it to the next.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Take it to the next level. And there's so many
different ways to do that. And so normally here in
Plants on Trial, I talk about one of the three
hundred and fifty plus proven Man's colored Choice shrubs, and
you can decide if it's going to earn a spot
in your garden. But sometimes when we're on a theme,
I kind of like to just talk about a group
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of plants in general, and I thought that it would
be a good time with today's topic to talk about
climbing roses. Adriana is an enthusiastic fan of climbing roses,
and we only actually started offering climbing roses fairly recently.
We didn't have any for many years. We now have
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the Rise Up series. There are four fabulous, beautiful varieties
in there, and now that it has been on the
market for a couple of years, we are seeing some
truly truly stunning pictures from people who have planted them
and are getting that amazing you know, rose covered pillar
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trellis kind of effect, and they are just stunning. I
think everybody has so many people who love gardens and
love flowers. They kind of have this dream right of
the rose covered cottage. They've seen it on Nantucket or illustrations.
Of course it's a popular thing in England and Ireland.
But I'm hearing to drop a little bomb on everybody
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today to say that roses aren't actually climbing plants. No,
they are not climbing plants whatsoever. A climbing rose is
actually a rose that simply has long, flexible canes that can,
with a bit of help from you, actually cover a structure.
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But they are not a climber in the way that
we're generally talking about today, which is, you know, things
that are able to secure themselves to a structure, so
things can twine around like a whisteria. And the case
of a climbing hydrangea which you mentioned, Climbing hydrangeas are
actually different than shrub hydranges. They're not just a hydrangea
that you can grow up something. Their natural habit is
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to produce these aerial rootlets and cling onto a structure
or a nature of course a tree and grow up
that that is not the case with roses. Roses have
no real mechanism like other climbing plants to actually get
up to some sort of height. So climbing rose is
a bit of a misnomer.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
So and not a twiner like I didn't say winer,
I said twiner, like mande.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Villa, like mandabilita yep, So just kind of going around. Yeah,
So you know, there's lots of different ways that plants
can climb, But when you see that beautiful rose covered cottage,
whether it's when you've seen or you conjure up in
your mind's eye, that only happens with quite a bit
of work. And so I do want to first of
all say that climbing roses because they are not actually
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climbing plants. If you're going to achieve your dream of
having a climbing rose, you're going to have to commit
to a couple years of work. This is not going
to be one of those things that you can just
kind of set it and forget it like you can
with most climbing you know, certainly a climbing hydrangea you
plan it at the base of what you want it
to cover. You wait, you know, five six, seven years.
Next thing, you know it's working.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You watch it happen. By the way, I want to
endorse the rise Up roses, Rise Up Lilac Days, and
I have that in my landscape. Wow incredible.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Isn't it such an amazing plant.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
We's not a climber, it just is there and elevates.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
So because roses are not necessarily climbing, we just kind
of use their ability to grow these long, flexible stems.
You can actually grow a climbing rose as a regular
rose if you don't have something to cover, So that's
kind of a nice way that you can use them
in your favor. But yeah, Rise Up Lilac Days is
definitely one of our most groundbreaking plants. We got some
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fabulous photos that I know you'll be able to see
on our YouTube version of the show.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Show.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Not only does it have these truly amazing kind of
lilacky purple flowers, the fragrance will knock your socks off.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That was fantastic. I have it by the entry of
the garden as you walk in the gate, right next
to a six foot chain link fence, and the thing
was stunning.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, it really is but you know, it does take
some work to accomplish this vision. So I wanted to
talk a little bit about how you can do this
because I don't want to discourage anybody from doing this.
And it's not like once a climbing rose is established
and growing on the structure that you want it to
be on, it continues to be high maintenance. But you
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definitely have to put the time in for the climbing
roses first couple of years to get it established again
because it's not going to do it on its own.
So first of all, you're going to plant your climbing
rose as close as possible to the structure that you
want it to climb on you want, so sometimes this
can be a problem. If you're trying to get it
on a house. You don't want it to go a
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long way kind of leaning in towards the house, because
that just creates a trip hazard and it takes the
plant longer to actually get up where you're going. So
try a planet as close as possible to your structure,
and then it's going to start growing.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
The nice thing about climbing roses compared to most other
climbing witty plants, and certainly climbing Hydrangea is a great example.
Climbing roses are pretty fast growing. Roses in general are
pretty fast growing, so you're not going to have to
wait for a super long time. But because it is
fast growing, you are going to need to be vigilant
about monitoring the growth that it puts on and getting
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it to grow the way that you want it to. So,
usually that first season after you plant it, depending on
growing conditions in when you planted it, the rose is
going to start growing and it's going to put out
some of those long, thin shoots. Now, once that starts happening,
you're going to want to either cut those off if
they're not going in the direction or place where you
want them to go, or you are going to start
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training them into the direction that you want them to go.
That's what's going to establish the structure of your climbing
rose is those main thick stems that start coming out,
and so those are the ones that you're really going
to want to establish, and those are the ones that
are going to reach up to the height that you want.
And you're not really going to be pruning your rose
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much as long as it's growing upward until it gets
to that point where you want it to branch. So,
as anyone who has ever prune a rose knows, if
you cut a branch tip back on a rose, it
will cause the buds below it to branch out. Now,
that's probably not necessarily what you want as you're trying
to get the rose to cover something. Now, of course,
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this all depends on your structure. You can use something
like a trellis, in which case you will want all
of that growth kind of more at ground level. But
when I think of like the classic rose covered cottage,
it's not so much the walls. It's going up the
roof and over the door and all of that kind
of thing. But you don't want to prune any branch
tips until you are ready for branching. So I can't
tell you when that's going to because it all depends
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on your structure and your vision. But you do have
to know if you cut it back, it's going to
cause those buds to release, and so you have to
think about where you're cutting it and where that branching
is going to occur. Now, once the plant has actually
reached the height that you want, then you probably want
it to branch because you want it to start growing
and filling in, but you are going to need to
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continue to train that growth. Sometimes. Of course, climbing roses
can create a little bit of a safety hazard if
they're planted by doors, you know, put out some crazy growth.
But fortunately roses are super amenable to pruning. It's not
a problem to go ahead and just snip those off,
but you do have to be vigiling. You have to
keep watching the growth, making sure it's going in the
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direction that you want. And then every winter, late winter,
early spring, you're going to need to get out that
ladder at least once it's tall enough. You're going to
want to take out any dead wood, any wood that
shows any signs of damage or disease or anything like that.
You're also going to want to take out any branches
that are for most varieties about the thickness of a
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pencil or thinner.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
And in winter climates in the north, the winter damage.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, certainly that can that can definitely happen, and
so it takes some time. You have to be vigilant,
you have to get out there. And the climbing roses
they do they are capable of some ability to kind
of cling to one another, through their thorns. Their thorns
can get kind of tangled, and that helps to keep
them up. But what you don't want to happen, of course,
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is for your climbing rose to get to that magical
moment and then fall over because it wasn't actually clinging
to anything. So as is soft flexible canes come out,
you don't want to let them grow too long till
they get thick and stiff. You're gonna want to kind
of weave them, not extensively, but weave them slightly in
and out of your structure so that the plant actually
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starts to grow into and around the structure, and it
will mean that wall like appearance even as it starts
to get older, and no big wind gust or something
like that is gonna come along and knock it out.
So I would say the maintenance on a climbing rose
is probably gonna be three good years. You're gonna need
to be out there very frequently. You're gonna need to
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be vigilant, You're gonna need to be executing your vision
for the plant. But then once you do that, then
it's really just a matter of pruning it so it
stays within the boundaries.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And you can do it. You can train them. I
think of my mom. She loved climbing roses. She also
loved Perry Como the Crooner.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Oh yeah, of course, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
And I just looked it up here while you were
talking in that song rambling Rose, anybody knows you can
train a rose to be a clinging vine. So from
this day hence there'll be a picket fence round that
rambling rose of mine.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Ah, that's so sweet. Yeah. So anyway, there's tons in
tents of climbing roses out there. All you have to
do is look for climbing rows on the tag and
you know it's gonna do what you want it to do.
But if I may humbly suggest, I would recommend our
Rise Up series. It's disease resistant, it's vigorous, it's going
to bloom all summer without dead heading, because how much
fun is the climbing rounds with now no flowers? Not
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very fun And they're all fragrant and they're all beautiful.
So please do check us out on YouTube if you
want to take a look at all of the Rise
Up series and the fabulous photos we've been getting from
gardeners around the country as they establish their own climbing
rise up ropes. We're gonna take a little break. When
we come back, we've got the mailbag, so please stay tuned.
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to the Gardening Simplified Show. Word is our time to
help you become better gardeners. Understand what in the world
is going on in your garden right now, because you know,
at the height of the season here lots of crazy
stuff starts happening, and we tend to think like, whoa,
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this is a recent development, but in fact many in
many cases, it was a development that was many past
weeks in the making and is only just now showing
its face.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
So the old how did I get exactly?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
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So that's rare these days, so please do reach out
to us there. We don't want you to struggle with
our plans or anything else needlessly. So what do we
got in the mail bag? This week?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Stacy Ellen wrote to us about her Dayly.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Oh boy, oh boy, dayly season.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
First yeah, mine look gorgeous in the landscape right now.
First year they've looked like this, says Ellen, what can
I do? Her Daily is not doing well?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Right, So you can see the picture on YouTube. What
you're seeing here is a daily which are normally known
for being extremely tough and durable and easy to grow plants,
and they are, but it's a day Daily. The leaders
looking kind of sad, and they have these dramatic yellow
streaks through the foliage and some brown spots and overall
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the plant just looks really sad. And you know, sometimes
there's like a joke that goes around about birders that
like ornithologists have never been very creative, you know, plant namers,
because they're like, it's a yellow headed blackbird, and it
is literally a blackbird with a yellow head. So, Ellen,
what your Daily has is something that you if I said, like, well,
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what do you think it has, you would have said, like,
day lily leaf streak, And yes, that is what your
Daily has is daily leaf streak. Fungus. It is a
fungal disease, and it is so Fungal diseases are one
of those things that can just kind of pop up.
You may have never had them before, but there's a
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number of reasons why they can suddenly appear to you know,
impact your plants out of what seems like nowhere. And
usually it has to do with spring weather because almost
all fungal diseases actually get their start back in spring.
It's just that right now they're actually showing, you know,
they've gotten enough time to get established on the plant
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that they're actually showing their signs. So the infection actually
happens in spring. Why because in spring, when a plant emerges,
that foliage is so soft and so tender, and it
hasn't yet developed the waxy cuticle that helps it through
later in the season.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
It's no different than our shade trees and tar spot.
Just as the leaves emerge, that's when they're vulnerable to
things like.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
That, right, So they don't have that protective coating, and
it's rainy a lot, and it can be you know,
low air circulation, cool days, cloudy days, and so that's
when the fungus typically impacts the plant. And it's important
and I really want people to understand this. If you
have a fungal disease, fungal diseases on plants are on
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the plants, they are not in the plants. And that
is a huge distinction because a lot of people will
see a fungal disease and freak out and think, oh,
I should take this out, and that's not necessarily the case,
and the daylily leaf streak is also not that serious.
So the best thing to do is to make sure
that this fall, when the plant dies back, that you
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completely remove and discard. Don't compost it, don't put it
in the municipal compost, put it straight away into the garbage.
Remove all that foliage, because the way the fungal disease
cycle works is that they spores. The plant will have
spores on it by then the old foliage they're going
to sit there on that dried foliage under the plant,
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just camping out for the winter, and then next spring
when it's rainy and cool and cloudy, and that foliage
comes off with that nice tender new growth, no cuticle woof,
all of that spore gets released, covers the plant and
it happens again. So just removing and discarding the foliage
this fall will do a lot towards eliminating this in
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the first place.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, now you nailed it. I mean day lilies. My
experience has been they can handle hot and dry. Yeah,
so if you have a wet cool spring for that
to develop doesn't surprise.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, And it can also indicate that, yeah, maybe the
soil is not well drained enough. It's a little bit
too wet, so you might consider that. But I think
she said that this was the only one that it
really was happening on. There are also daylilies that are
resistant to leaf streaks. So if it continues to be
a problem, or you know it's a problem in your area,
which does sometimes happen in really moist climates that fungal
diseases are just a perennial issue, then look for those
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disease resistant varieties.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Gene writes to us, can you tell me what's going
on with my pinky winky hydrangea? The leaves are very
tiny and strange looking. I lost a strawberry sunday hydrangea
a couple years ago after the same thing happened. My
other high ranges nearby, incredible limelight prime are looking normal
with normal leaves and flower buds. I live in Fremont, Michigan.
(27:59):
Loamies soil, plenty of water, and gene. I don't blame
you for writing to us. I took a look at
the picture. Doesn't look like pinky winky to me. Kind
of looks stinkydinky punky winky. Yeah, not good.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
No it's not. But I so there's three things that
this can be. And I will tell you that panicle
hydrangeas are, of course, just much like we were discussing
with the daylilies, very easy to care for, very trouble
free plants, but there are a couple of things that
can happen to them. So there's three possible explanations for this,
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and it's hard, of course for me to say without
seeing the plan or knowing more about its history. Number
one most common explanation is herbicide drift. So herbicide drift,
I think we've talked about it on the show before.
It's when fine, fine, fine little particles that are being sprayed.
It can be adjacent, it can be a lawn service,
it can be a farm. Just this fin find mist
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of particles kind of drifts over on the plant when
it's in bud in spring especially, and it causes the
growth to emerge all wonky, in which case. Herbicide damage
can certainly set a plant back very seriously for one season,
but usually grows out of it by the following year
as long as it doesn't happen again. The other two
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potential explanations are both pest related, so this can happen
from aphids, especially aphids that are coming along in spring.
Again when the plant is in leaf bud. This damage
is not happening now. This is damage that happened way
back in spring when those buds were starting to form
and expand and be really really tender, and all those
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aphids are looking for a good tender meal. They've found
it and they're feeding. Can severely stunt growth, cause like
weird curving growth. It looks space age, but it literally
is just because of aphids. And then the third reason
is what is known as a phytoplasma like organism, and
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this is a disease that's transmitted through mites and the
mites that are transmitated so it's not like spider mites.
They are mites, but they're even tinier than spidermights.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Do you have to call the ghostbusters?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You kind of do, because yes, it is a like
phytoplasma organisms For phytoplasma like organisms are not very well understood.
They're super weird. But basically they live in the gut
of this tiny, tiny little mite that like blows in
on the wind. They don't even really walk, They're just
so little that they can just blow around on the wind.
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They land on the plant in bud, they start feeding,
and they can transmit the phytoplasma into the plant and
then that causes the weird growth. Now, typically it's hard
to say again which of these three it might be,
and that does determine the long term prognosis for your plant.
But I will say, typically the phytoplasma like or organism,
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and I've seen it. The leaves are really thick. It's
not just simply a matter of them looking normal, but
being small, they kind of thicken and get sometimes darker,
and really a lot of plants are susceptible to this.
But it just seems like, you know, the panicle hydranges
are are one that they are often found on. Yeah,
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so I.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Answer, my friend is blowing in the lid.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It might be a yeah or Bob Dylan. Dylan, He's
une wrote it, so kind of credit where credit is
due here. Uh So, anyway, what you should do next
hard for me to say because we can't pinpoint the
exact problem. Uh, if it's aphids or herbicide damage, that's
good news because it will grow out of that next year.
(31:47):
So you kind of need to just take away and
see attitude right now and then see what happens next year.
The best thing you can do for it now to
just keep it growing vigorously, keep it growing healthy. I
would go ahead and maybe give it a dose of
fertilizer right now, because we're kind of at the end
of July, nearing that period where you want to stop
fertilizing woody plants in anticipation of fall. As crazy it
(32:09):
is as it is when we're at the height of
summer to think about that, give it a dose of fertilizer.
That will help it kind of, you know, get some
vigorous growth. You are unlikely to see flowers on it
this year, but keep taking care of it, don't let
it get stressed, and then we're just going to kind
of have to wait and see what happens next spring.
And when that when you see that new growth start
to emerge on the plant in say mid to late April,
(32:32):
early may go out and take a look at it.
Monitor it then and you know, if it's aphids, then
they'll be pretty easy to spot if you're if you're
looking carefully, it might feel kind of sticky. But got
to figure out the cause and then you can deal
with with what's next.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
But do some detective takes, some protective elimination. And I
appreciate Gene writing to us because Pinky Winky is really
a pretty easy hydrangea grows, so I can understand her frustration.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, absolutely, ill, panicle headranges are pretty easy to grow.
This isn't necessarily something that will spread. It's just something
that was on the plant and it's the insect itself
or might has probably long since moved on. And so
it's a crazy world out there. Anyway. Thank you all
so much for your questions. We're going to take a
little break. When we come back, we're going to continue
our talk on elevation, so please stay tuned. Thanks for
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Speaker 1 (33:43):
Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Let's continue our
talk of elevation vines and twiners. Stacey a favorite sit
back and unvine for a while while we talk about
a few of our favorite plants. Thunbergia a genus of
flowering plants, and of course a lot of people know
this plant by black Eyed Susan just a vibrant, annual vine.
(34:07):
It's not a hardy vine, but great to grow in
landscapes during the summertime. Proven winters has a tangerine slice appeal,
black eyed Susan vine a lemon appeal black eyed Susan vine.
Love that plant sol pretty and easy to grow. And
then there's the Thunbergia grand of Flora, which is Bengal
(34:31):
clock vine. The name Bengal clock vine refers to the
vine's tendency to twine in a clockwise direction around supports,
and includes the word Bengal because the plant is native
to the Bengal regions of India.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Oh interesting, you know the difference. One of the differences
between the American mysteria and the Asian mysteria is one
vine's clockwise and one vine's counterclockwise, yes, and that's kind
of a difficult thing to well when you're looking at it,
but just one of those distinguishing features. I'm really glad
you mentioned the Thunbergia because I don't think we should
(35:07):
omit annual vines from this conversation, because I have personally
found that sometimes it can be a little bit tricky
to get good height in your containers. You know, there's
certainly some great plants, like you know, the king tuts
Papyrus cannas. Of course, there are definitely some great plants
out there for it, but I always find after I've
(35:29):
gone through and picked out everything that I love and
I've planted it in my containers, then I kind of
look at them and go, huh, everything's at like the
exact same level.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
We want some elevation.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, So it's a great plant for that, and I
love to just grow them. I have some beautiful metal
tpies wine tepis, and just having that in there it
just brings again another dimension to the plant. And there's
lots of other very cool annual vines as well, but
that one is fabulous.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Those metal tps are great and if you're on a budget,
what I've found works really good. Is you just got
some good long bamboo steaks, make a tripod out of
them and that will work too. So yeah, that's a
great way to go, Stacy. You got me interested in
a plant, and I'm gonna see if I get this
botanical name right, big Nonia caprio lata. Yeah, dressed to
(36:18):
thrill crossvine. Because you know, we haven't brought up trumpet vine,
and I'm not gonna bring it up because people will
be mad at us if we bring up trumpet vine
invasive and takes over an area. But this plant what
a great substitute for something like trumpet vine dressed to
thrill cross vine.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It is so cool. And this is a plant that
will be new at garden centers next year. You can
get small plants at the online right now, but bigger
plants will be available next year. And so this is
also a North American native plants. Yeah, it is semi evergreen,
so it's not as hardy as trumpet vine. But if
you live say here in USCA is on six it
(36:58):
makes me much better behaved. Alternative. Now, if you live
in a warmer climate, it's native to the South. I
think if you've ever taken a road trip down south
somewhere in that like early spring range, and you're looking
and you see red things up in the trees. That's
the cross vine. It's called crossvine because when you cut
open the stem, it looks like the xylum and flow
them in there. The dots are arranged in the shape
(37:20):
of a cross. I haven't done that yet, but that's
what I hear. And yeah, just beautiful. It's like the
tangerine appeal Thunburgie you were just talking about. I love
that look when the flowers on a vine are kind
of coming off on that little pedicil and they just
make this kind of like wind screen and they're just
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kind of fluttering. I love that. And that's what this
plant does.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
It's gorgeous. Another annual sweet Caroline, upside key lime, ornamental
sweet potato vine. You know, sweet potato vines are great
and containers. I even use them as groundcovers. But this
particular one, the upside look for that can also be
trained in a container to go beyond being a trailing
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plant and actually do some climbing. So I enjoy that plant.
We've got to mention with steria, Stacey, and you had
mentioned that most of the wisteria that you're going to
find in garden centers in the United States are the Asian,
Japanese or Chinese with steria, and not necessarily the American wisteria,
(38:29):
or some people refer to it as Kentucky with steria.
You've got to do some planning ahead if you're going
to plant a wisteria. There's many stories of the plant
being very aggressive, damaging structures, old pipes or water tanks,
septic tanks, irrigation systems. Weak damaged block foundations can become
(38:54):
a real issue with wisteria. So you've got to measure
twice and cut once before you get into a wisteria
and one of those vines that really needs you to
show it whose boss, which includes root pruning and pruning,
because this is a plant that can get out of.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Hand, definitely. And speaking of whysteria getting out of hand,
don't be confused. If you see whisteria growing in the wild,
especially down south in warmer climates, it doesn't mean it's
the American mysteria. The Asian mysteria are quite invasive here.
Their seeds spread far and wide, so don't think that
(39:30):
just because you see some growing way out there in
the woods on your hike that it means you've seen
are fabulous native whisteria. Probably I would encourage you if
you want a whysteria. Even though the American mysteria is
not quite as dramatically showy as the Asian one, it
still has beautiful flowers. They just aren't as long and
has that just amazing like tiffany lamp shade kind of look,
(39:54):
but they're still lovely. And I find I have found,
at least based on a non scientific study of plants
around my neighborhood, that the American mysteria does flower much
more reliably for us here than the Asian one does
because sometimes, again it gets too much vegetative growth. It's like, eh,
I'm not flower and I'm good. Whereas some of my
neighbors have beautiful American mysteria, the most popular one out
(40:17):
there is called Amethyst Falls. It should be pretty easy
to find and know. The flowers are not as pendulous
and amazing, but it's still as gorgeous, and it's not
going to be nearly the pain and menace to your
neighborhood as the ancient types.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
I was doing some interesting reading on Here's a word
for you subsidence when the soil actually collapses, or again
you have foundation problems. And I was reading for insurance
purposes some recommendations not to plant Wisteria, English ivy, bamboo,
(40:53):
chameleon plant, or Japanese.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Not those as I would also not recommend planting period,
much less anywhere near your actual home.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Stacy, we could do an entire show on clematists. But
I've got to mention that, you know, there was a
time there when growing growing clematis or clematis was kind
of intimidating to the typical gardener. But today the new cultivars,
whether it's Sweet Summer Love, Fuaniella, there's so many great
(41:26):
you know, jolly good, happy jack. These plants really perform
in the landscape. And the care is relatively easy.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Right, it's not the it's not super confusing. All of
the printing instructions that you need are on there. And
you know, with clematis, as we often say, you don't
have to prune it, you don't strictly need to prune it.
We encourage you to prune them because what's going to
happen then, or at least most of them, is you're
going to get that beautiful curtain effect. You're going to
have flowers from the tip to the from the bottom
(41:55):
to the top rather than just at the tippy top.
If you don't prune it, that's what is going to happen.
So not imperative. And all of our clematis, of course,
are you know, child and tested to be vigorous, easy
to grow, and floriferous. And you know, we look for
long bloom times because some clementis is fabulous as they
may be, they bloom for like a few weeks and
(42:16):
you know, a week or two and then they're out,
and then you're just stuck with some you know, kind
of okay looking vines for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
We can't talk about vines without talking about vines grown
from seed, whether they're moonflower, morning glory, sweet pea and
my favorite lab lab purporeus. Oh yeah, I like the
plant just because of the botanical name or hyacinth bean,
ornamental twining vine, beautiful pods and flowers. I just mentioned
at Stacey because I have had success here in Michigan
(42:46):
getting the plant to come back again the following year,
not to come back as a perennial, but rather to
reced it. So if I leave the pods up on God.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
To love that. Yeah, how do you feel about nistertium?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I'm okay with Now there's another one that will recede
like crazy. So that's why you know, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
All over my garden. I love them, crazy about them.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
And put them on your dinner plate.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yes, delicious, beautiful, and of course they have that nice
hot color that I always love.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
But they're not all vining. But so if you want
a vining nasturtum, you have to get a vining mistertium.
Some are just more bushy. But you know, I've never
asked you about that.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, I mean I'm good with them, but not.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Your favorite, not my favorite. You're not devoting space when
you can have your purple bean, your lab lab purpose.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
You got it real quickly. Want to mention the laniscera
the scentsation honeysuckle, Yeah right, yeah, look for that one.
What a great plant. And of course an aggressive twiner
is mandavilla. There's a difference between mandavilla and Dipladinia. Dipladinia
tends to be more shrub like, same kind of flower
(43:56):
as mandavilla. But boy, if you're you know, we grow
them in the greenhouse and hanging baskets and if they
don't sell quickly, they've worked their way up the hangars,
down the pipe. Got to clip them off to sell them.
But I love man.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
I'm I'm glad that that plant has really taken off
and that we have so many cool, cool choices with that.
Is it time to twine down the show?
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Oh? You know, I had a really good pun to
end the show with.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
But did I steal up?
Speaker 1 (44:27):
No, it's not stealing thunder. I'm not going to use
it because I think that that is perfect. As a
matter of fact, I'll let you close off the show.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
And on that note, I love it. Thank you so much, Rick,
thank you Adriana, and thanks so much to all of
you for listening. We truly appreciate it and hope you
have a wonderful We cut
Broadcasting from Studio A Here at Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs.
It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella, me,
Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well,
today the start of a four part series, Elevation Future Weeks.
We're going to talk about rejuvenation, revelation, and inspiration, but
(00:26):
today we take it to the next level. And Stacey,
wayback in episode twenty nine, which now has one hundred
and forty three thousand YouTube views, we talked about tendrils, clingers, climbers, twiners,
and ramblers. Sounds like a nineteen fifties rock and roll group.
Today we're going to talk about vines and climbers. But
(00:49):
elevation is so much more than that. Elevation in raised
beds and containers. Elevations in design adds so much character
to a garden and a landscape. It takes it to
another level. I mean, to elevate oneself. You know, motivators
tell us to hang around successful, happy people. Well why
(01:13):
not hang around successful happy plans.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
That's what it's all about for me, That's right. You
know I can't. I don't have time for any losers
in that garden, they get evicted and replaced to something else.
It's a perpetual audition.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I love it. Perpetual audition. Another episode we did was
an episode on layering in the garden, modulating elevations, and
I just want to remind folks that, you know, we
we basically came to an agreement that it's a game changer.
You can do this with grating or hardscaping materials, using
(01:49):
a raised or mounded planting bed. It develops an interesting
esthetic effect in your landscape because if everything just sits
at the same level, you kind of get you know,
it can get somewhat boring to the eye. But when
you change elevations, it makes all the difference in the world.
That's why many people enjoy raised planting beds. And then,
(02:12):
of course, elevation is a big factor in the habitat
characteristics of plants because of climate solar radiation, extreme temperature changes,
low and erratic precipitation, humidity, et cetera, et cetera. So
I'm talking about altitudes and where plants are native too,
(02:34):
and Stacey, for me, the perfect example are the tough
stuff hydranges, the mountain serrata hydranges and how incredible they
perform in the landscape minor in full bloom right now.
But of course this hydrangea is used to higher elevation.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
That's right, that's where the mountain in the name mountain
hydrangea comes from. So basically what happened is thatuntain hydrangeas
and the more popular or better known big leaf hydrangea
native to the exact same areas of Japan. But the
big leaf hydrangels grow way down on the seaside where
it's milder, and the mountain hydrangeas grow up in the mountains,
so they have naturally evolved a better resistance to cold,
(03:15):
because if they were always getting killed back and they
never flowered, they would have gone and zinc. So it's
an interesting way that elevation has kind of helped to
give us a plant that actually performs better for us
even down here at sea level and for.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Me the tough stuff top fun.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Wow, Yeah, that's a great plant. That's beautiful color on
that plant. You know, the mountain hydrangeas. If you have
not consistently had good luck with other big leaf hydranges,
I think that the mountain hydrangels are a great place
to start. They do typically contribute more hardiness to a plant,
and some of our hardiest, best performing hydranges for cold
(03:55):
climates are a hybrid of the big leaf and the
mountain hydrangeas. So like Let's Dance Skyview hydrange on, one
of our most popular hydranges is actually a hybrid of
both of them, and so it gets all the cold
heartiness and reliability from the serrata and all of the
amazing color and big flowers in performance because sometimes the
serrada is on their own not quite as bright. Although
(04:15):
you just mentioned top fun now that is one that
has really changed that. That is one of our brightest,
if not the brightest, mountain hydrangee on the market.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And Let's Dance Skyview perfect for today's perfect.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
For your outfit. Your outfit is very Skyview.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I like their elevation show. Now for people who are
listening to the podcast or radio, you may be wondering
what I'm wearing today.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
You'll have to check it out on the ear. It's
hydrange of themes.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Anyhow, this show is going to be simply divine. That's right,
divine intervention today. Sorry, my garden puns are ripening. Just vine.
Soon they'll be full grown.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay, you mustn't cling to the same old pond.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Nicely done. You may have heard them before, but maybe
they haven't. Speaking of vines, I was doing some reading
recently and there was this article endorsed by the Denver
Botanic Garden and Colorado State University. They recommended Kinsley ghost honeysuckle,
(05:22):
and I thought that that was really interesting. Although the
plant was I believe, discovered in Fort Collins, Colorado.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So it was originally it came from Iowa, Okay, but
then yes, it was rediscovered in Fort Collins by a
nurseryman who saw it growing in someone's yard and basically
slammed on the brakes of his car and was like,
what is that? I must have it and went up
to the owner of the home and was like, what's
going on with this amazing honeysuckle that you have here?
And that's how we're able to get it? So it did,
you know? It made its way to Colorado. But it
(05:51):
is so well suited to Colorado's climate, and it does
it does beautifully here. But in Colorado with that high
elevation hence sun in those dry soils, Wow, it is
at its best there, the most silvery blue, just most
incredible fan lastic.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah, they had recommended it with an elevation guide up
to eight thousand, one hundred and fifty feet. That's some elevation.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, that's pretty high.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Other elevation plants, of course, weeping white spruce, Picea glaucapendula.
I always think of that when I think of elevation
plants with its sweeping branches, I think about snowstorms and
the plant being able to handle the weight of the snow.
But again, when we're talking about elevation, you can talk
(06:39):
about plants like north pole, arbor vide, purple pillar, hibiscus,
any of these plants that can create some height in
the landscape. And Stacey, I love a panicle hydrangea that's
grafted to a standard for height in the landscape.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, they're not usually grafted, but they do have height
in the landscape. But they are actually specially trained to
grow that way without graphing. Now that's certainly not true.
All of all treeform, shrubs, rose standards or tree form
are typically grafted, but panic hydranges are not. And you know,
it is so important that we make sure that we
(07:17):
have some height in our gardens, and that we mix
it up, that we don't just conglomerate at all in
one area, which is very tempting sometimes if you're trying
to create privacy to just kind of line it up.
That's actually what's happening in my garden. So do as
I say, not as I do. But it's important to
have that height throughout hide some views. It just I
think that one of the marks of great success in
(07:40):
a garden is a sense of enclosure. It's good to
have some borrowed scenery and see some things off into
the distance, but it's also good to have that feeling
of being just completely surrounded by the garden. It's what
I think really adds so much magic, and really the
best way to accomplish that is with height, either through
tree and shrubs or vines on different structures. There's so
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many ways you can do it.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, today we'll talk about some clingers with aerial roots,
like I personally like climbing hydrangea. I think they can
be very impressive. But then we get into, as Stacey
would say, mind numbing nomenclature when we talk about climbing
hydrangea versus false hydrangea and rose, sensation and all kinds
(08:25):
of Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, I would never call nomenclature mind numbing. I do
love it and my numbing to others perhaps mind numbing
to you are listeners, but not to me. I love
it and a.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Vine I love in my landscape. Cucumbers, just simple cucumbers.
The tendrils are so much fun. I have some pictures
to share on YouTube. I build a little frame, a
wire frame, grow them on a forty five degree angle.
I think it's perfect for cucumbers, good air movement, reach
up to the sun, easier for pollinators. I think it's
the only way to grow cucumbers. And a cucumber in
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the landscape I believe is a great way to get elevation.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It is and you can eat them too, so it's
win win.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Win win. So here's a limb a rick to end
this segment. And I was thinking about investing in elevation.
I'm really not a fan of inflation. I much rather
celebrate elevation when things go higher. I'll be a buyer
if there are plants for my plantation. Everything's going up.
(09:28):
They say costs out of control and run away. Spare
me the taxation and fees agitation. I'll take a floriferous
vine any day. This plant your roof will eclipse the walls.
It tightly grips you bought it on sale. Its size
can't curtail time to get out your best snips, and
(09:49):
coming up in segment four, we'll talk about some of
those vines that you can include in your landscape to
get elevation. Plants on Trial is next here on the
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welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where the theme
of today is elevation, which is to say, plants that
go up, whether it is through their natural height or
because you are growing them up some sort of upright
structure like a fence post or pergola or something like that.
It's so important to have plants on that plane to
give you that magical sense of enclosure. It really makes
(10:51):
such a difference. So if you're ever looking around your garden,
you're kind of like, hmm, it's kind of boring. Everything's
like all in the same plane. You need some elevation.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Take it to the next.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Take it to the next level. And there's so many
different ways to do that. And so normally here in
Plants on Trial, I talk about one of the three
hundred and fifty plus proven Man's colored Choice shrubs, and
you can decide if it's going to earn a spot
in your garden. But sometimes when we're on a theme,
I kind of like to just talk about a group
(11:20):
of plants in general, and I thought that it would
be a good time with today's topic to talk about
climbing roses. Adriana is an enthusiastic fan of climbing roses,
and we only actually started offering climbing roses fairly recently.
We didn't have any for many years. We now have
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the Rise Up series. There are four fabulous, beautiful varieties
in there, and now that it has been on the
market for a couple of years, we are seeing some
truly truly stunning pictures from people who have planted them
and are getting that amazing you know, rose covered pillar
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trellis kind of effect, and they are just stunning. I
think everybody has so many people who love gardens and
love flowers. They kind of have this dream right of
the rose covered cottage. They've seen it on Nantucket or illustrations.
Of course it's a popular thing in England and Ireland.
But I'm hearing to drop a little bomb on everybody
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today to say that roses aren't actually climbing plants. No,
they are not climbing plants whatsoever. A climbing rose is
actually a rose that simply has long, flexible canes that can,
with a bit of help from you, actually cover a structure.
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But they are not a climber in the way that
we're generally talking about today, which is, you know, things
that are able to secure themselves to a structure, so
things can twine around like a whisteria. And the case
of a climbing hydrangea which you mentioned, Climbing hydrangeas are
actually different than shrub hydranges. They're not just a hydrangea
that you can grow up something. Their natural habit is
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to produce these aerial rootlets and cling onto a structure
or a nature of course a tree and grow up
that that is not the case with roses. Roses have
no real mechanism like other climbing plants to actually get
up to some sort of height. So climbing rose is
a bit of a misnomer.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
So and not a twiner like I didn't say winer,
I said twiner, like mande.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Villa, like mandabilita yep, So just kind of going around. Yeah,
So you know, there's lots of different ways that plants
can climb, But when you see that beautiful rose covered cottage,
whether it's when you've seen or you conjure up in
your mind's eye, that only happens with quite a bit
of work. And so I do want to first of
all say that climbing roses because they are not actually
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climbing plants. If you're going to achieve your dream of
having a climbing rose, you're going to have to commit
to a couple years of work. This is not going
to be one of those things that you can just
kind of set it and forget it like you can
with most climbing you know, certainly a climbing hydrangea you
plan it at the base of what you want it
to cover. You wait, you know, five six, seven years.
Next thing, you know it's working.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You watch it happen. By the way, I want to
endorse the rise Up roses, Rise Up Lilac Days, and
I have that in my landscape. Wow incredible.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Isn't it such an amazing plant.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
We's not a climber, it just is there and elevates.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
So because roses are not necessarily climbing, we just kind
of use their ability to grow these long, flexible stems.
You can actually grow a climbing rose as a regular
rose if you don't have something to cover, So that's
kind of a nice way that you can use them
in your favor. But yeah, Rise Up Lilac Days is
definitely one of our most groundbreaking plants. We got some
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fabulous photos that I know you'll be able to see
on our YouTube version of the show.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Show.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Not only does it have these truly amazing kind of
lilacky purple flowers, the fragrance will knock your socks off.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That was fantastic. I have it by the entry of
the garden as you walk in the gate, right next
to a six foot chain link fence, and the thing
was stunning.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, it really is but you know, it does take
some work to accomplish this vision. So I wanted to
talk a little bit about how you can do this
because I don't want to discourage anybody from doing this.
And it's not like once a climbing rose is established
and growing on the structure that you want it to
be on, it continues to be high maintenance. But you
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definitely have to put the time in for the climbing
roses first couple of years to get it established again
because it's not going to do it on its own.
So first of all, you're going to plant your climbing
rose as close as possible to the structure that you
want it to climb on you want, so sometimes this
can be a problem. If you're trying to get it
on a house. You don't want it to go a
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long way kind of leaning in towards the house, because
that just creates a trip hazard and it takes the
plant longer to actually get up where you're going. So
try a planet as close as possible to your structure,
and then it's going to start growing.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
The nice thing about climbing roses compared to most other
climbing witty plants, and certainly climbing Hydrangea is a great example.
Climbing roses are pretty fast growing. Roses in general are
pretty fast growing, so you're not going to have to
wait for a super long time. But because it is
fast growing, you are going to need to be vigilant
about monitoring the growth that it puts on and getting
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it to grow the way that you want it to. So,
usually that first season after you plant it, depending on
growing conditions in when you planted it, the rose is
going to start growing and it's going to put out
some of those long, thin shoots. Now, once that starts happening,
you're going to want to either cut those off if
they're not going in the direction or place where you
want them to go, or you are going to start
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training them into the direction that you want them to go.
That's what's going to establish the structure of your climbing
rose is those main thick stems that start coming out,
and so those are the ones that you're really going
to want to establish, and those are the ones that
are going to reach up to the height that you want.
And you're not really going to be pruning your rose
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much as long as it's growing upward until it gets
to that point where you want it to branch. So,
as anyone who has ever prune a rose knows, if
you cut a branch tip back on a rose, it
will cause the buds below it to branch out. Now,
that's probably not necessarily what you want as you're trying
to get the rose to cover something. Now, of course,
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this all depends on your structure. You can use something
like a trellis, in which case you will want all
of that growth kind of more at ground level. But
when I think of like the classic rose covered cottage,
it's not so much the walls. It's going up the
roof and over the door and all of that kind
of thing. But you don't want to prune any branch
tips until you are ready for branching. So I can't
tell you when that's going to because it all depends
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on your structure and your vision. But you do have
to know if you cut it back, it's going to
cause those buds to release, and so you have to
think about where you're cutting it and where that branching
is going to occur. Now, once the plant has actually
reached the height that you want, then you probably want
it to branch because you want it to start growing
and filling in, but you are going to need to
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continue to train that growth. Sometimes. Of course, climbing roses
can create a little bit of a safety hazard if
they're planted by doors, you know, put out some crazy growth.
But fortunately roses are super amenable to pruning. It's not
a problem to go ahead and just snip those off,
but you do have to be vigiling. You have to
keep watching the growth, making sure it's going in the
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direction that you want. And then every winter, late winter,
early spring, you're going to need to get out that
ladder at least once it's tall enough. You're going to
want to take out any dead wood, any wood that
shows any signs of damage or disease or anything like that.
You're also going to want to take out any branches
that are for most varieties about the thickness of a
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pencil or thinner.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
And in winter climates in the north, the winter damage.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, certainly that can that can definitely happen, and
so it takes some time. You have to be vigilant,
you have to get out there. And the climbing roses
they do they are capable of some ability to kind
of cling to one another, through their thorns. Their thorns
can get kind of tangled, and that helps to keep
them up. But what you don't want to happen, of course,
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is for your climbing rose to get to that magical
moment and then fall over because it wasn't actually clinging
to anything. So as is soft flexible canes come out,
you don't want to let them grow too long till
they get thick and stiff. You're gonna want to kind
of weave them, not extensively, but weave them slightly in
and out of your structure so that the plant actually
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starts to grow into and around the structure, and it
will mean that wall like appearance even as it starts
to get older, and no big wind gust or something
like that is gonna come along and knock it out.
So I would say the maintenance on a climbing rose
is probably gonna be three good years. You're gonna need
to be out there very frequently. You're gonna need to
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be vigilant, You're gonna need to be executing your vision
for the plant. But then once you do that, then
it's really just a matter of pruning it so it
stays within the boundaries.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And you can do it. You can train them. I
think of my mom. She loved climbing roses. She also
loved Perry Como the Crooner.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Oh yeah, of course, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
And I just looked it up here while you were
talking in that song rambling Rose, anybody knows you can
train a rose to be a clinging vine. So from
this day hence there'll be a picket fence round that
rambling rose of mine.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Ah, that's so sweet. Yeah. So anyway, there's tons in
tents of climbing roses out there. All you have to
do is look for climbing rows on the tag and
you know it's gonna do what you want it to do.
But if I may humbly suggest, I would recommend our
Rise Up series. It's disease resistant, it's vigorous, it's going
to bloom all summer without dead heading, because how much
fun is the climbing rounds with now no flowers? Not
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very fun And they're all fragrant and they're all beautiful.
So please do check us out on YouTube if you
want to take a look at all of the Rise
Up series and the fabulous photos we've been getting from
gardeners around the country as they establish their own climbing
rise up ropes. We're gonna take a little break. When
we come back, we've got the mailbag, so please stay tuned.
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to the Gardening Simplified Show. Word is our time to
help you become better gardeners. Understand what in the world
is going on in your garden right now, because you know,
at the height of the season here lots of crazy
stuff starts happening, and we tend to think like, whoa,
(22:21):
this is a recent development, but in fact many in
many cases, it was a development that was many past
weeks in the making and is only just now showing
its face.
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our plans or anything else needlessly. So what do we
got in the mail bag? This week?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Stacy Ellen wrote to us about her Dayly.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Oh boy, oh boy, dayly season.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
First yeah, mine look gorgeous in the landscape right now.
First year they've looked like this, says Ellen, what can
I do? Her Daily is not doing well?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Right, So you can see the picture on YouTube. What
you're seeing here is a daily which are normally known
for being extremely tough and durable and easy to grow plants,
and they are, but it's a day Daily. The leaders
looking kind of sad, and they have these dramatic yellow
streaks through the foliage and some brown spots and overall
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the plant just looks really sad. And you know, sometimes
there's like a joke that goes around about birders that
like ornithologists have never been very creative, you know, plant namers,
because they're like, it's a yellow headed blackbird, and it
is literally a blackbird with a yellow head. So, Ellen,
what your Daily has is something that you if I said, like, well,
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what do you think it has, you would have said, like,
day lily leaf streak, And yes, that is what your
Daily has is daily leaf streak. Fungus. It is a
fungal disease, and it is so Fungal diseases are one
of those things that can just kind of pop up.
You may have never had them before, but there's a
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number of reasons why they can suddenly appear to you know,
impact your plants out of what seems like nowhere. And
usually it has to do with spring weather because almost
all fungal diseases actually get their start back in spring.
It's just that right now they're actually showing, you know,
they've gotten enough time to get established on the plant
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that they're actually showing their signs. So the infection actually
happens in spring. Why because in spring, when a plant emerges,
that foliage is so soft and so tender, and it
hasn't yet developed the waxy cuticle that helps it through
later in the season.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
It's no different than our shade trees and tar spot.
Just as the leaves emerge, that's when they're vulnerable to
things like.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
That, right, So they don't have that protective coating, and
it's rainy a lot, and it can be you know,
low air circulation, cool days, cloudy days, and so that's
when the fungus typically impacts the plant. And it's important
and I really want people to understand this. If you
have a fungal disease, fungal diseases on plants are on
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the plants, they are not in the plants. And that
is a huge distinction because a lot of people will
see a fungal disease and freak out and think, oh,
I should take this out, and that's not necessarily the case,
and the daylily leaf streak is also not that serious.
So the best thing to do is to make sure
that this fall, when the plant dies back, that you
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completely remove and discard. Don't compost it, don't put it
in the municipal compost, put it straight away into the garbage.
Remove all that foliage, because the way the fungal disease
cycle works is that they spores. The plant will have
spores on it by then the old foliage they're going
to sit there on that dried foliage under the plant,
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just camping out for the winter, and then next spring
when it's rainy and cool and cloudy, and that foliage
comes off with that nice tender new growth, no cuticle woof,
all of that spore gets released, covers the plant and
it happens again. So just removing and discarding the foliage
this fall will do a lot towards eliminating this in
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the first place.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, now you nailed it. I mean day lilies. My
experience has been they can handle hot and dry. Yeah,
so if you have a wet cool spring for that
to develop doesn't surprise.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, And it can also indicate that, yeah, maybe the
soil is not well drained enough. It's a little bit
too wet, so you might consider that. But I think
she said that this was the only one that it
really was happening on. There are also daylilies that are
resistant to leaf streaks. So if it continues to be
a problem, or you know it's a problem in your area,
which does sometimes happen in really moist climates that fungal
diseases are just a perennial issue, then look for those
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disease resistant varieties.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Gene writes to us, can you tell me what's going
on with my pinky winky hydrangea? The leaves are very
tiny and strange looking. I lost a strawberry sunday hydrangea
a couple years ago after the same thing happened. My
other high ranges nearby, incredible limelight prime are looking normal
with normal leaves and flower buds. I live in Fremont, Michigan.
(27:59):
Loamies soil, plenty of water, and gene. I don't blame
you for writing to us. I took a look at
the picture. Doesn't look like pinky winky to me. Kind
of looks stinkydinky punky winky. Yeah, not good.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
No it's not. But I so there's three things that
this can be. And I will tell you that panicle
hydrangeas are, of course, just much like we were discussing
with the daylilies, very easy to care for, very trouble
free plants, but there are a couple of things that
can happen to them. So there's three possible explanations for this,
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and it's hard, of course for me to say without
seeing the plan or knowing more about its history. Number
one most common explanation is herbicide drift. So herbicide drift,
I think we've talked about it on the show before.
It's when fine, fine, fine little particles that are being sprayed.
It can be adjacent, it can be a lawn service,
it can be a farm. Just this fin find mist
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of particles kind of drifts over on the plant when
it's in bud in spring especially, and it causes the
growth to emerge all wonky, in which case. Herbicide damage
can certainly set a plant back very seriously for one season,
but usually grows out of it by the following year
as long as it doesn't happen again. The other two
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potential explanations are both pest related, so this can happen
from aphids, especially aphids that are coming along in spring.
Again when the plant is in leaf bud. This damage
is not happening now. This is damage that happened way
back in spring when those buds were starting to form
and expand and be really really tender, and all those
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aphids are looking for a good tender meal. They've found
it and they're feeding. Can severely stunt growth, cause like
weird curving growth. It looks space age, but it literally
is just because of aphids. And then the third reason
is what is known as a phytoplasma like organism, and
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this is a disease that's transmitted through mites and the
mites that are transmitated so it's not like spider mites.
They are mites, but they're even tinier than spidermights.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Do you have to call the ghostbusters?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You kind of do, because yes, it is a like
phytoplasma organisms For phytoplasma like organisms are not very well understood.
They're super weird. But basically they live in the gut
of this tiny, tiny little mite that like blows in
on the wind. They don't even really walk, They're just
so little that they can just blow around on the wind.
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They land on the plant in bud, they start feeding,
and they can transmit the phytoplasma into the plant and
then that causes the weird growth. Now, typically it's hard
to say again which of these three it might be,
and that does determine the long term prognosis for your plant.
But I will say, typically the phytoplasma like or organism,
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and I've seen it. The leaves are really thick. It's
not just simply a matter of them looking normal, but
being small, they kind of thicken and get sometimes darker,
and really a lot of plants are susceptible to this.
But it just seems like, you know, the panicle hydranges
are are one that they are often found on. Yeah,
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so I.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Answer, my friend is blowing in the lid.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It might be a yeah or Bob Dylan. Dylan, He's
une wrote it, so kind of credit where credit is
due here. Uh So, anyway, what you should do next
hard for me to say because we can't pinpoint the
exact problem. Uh, if it's aphids or herbicide damage, that's
good news because it will grow out of that next year.
(31:47):
So you kind of need to just take away and
see attitude right now and then see what happens next year.
The best thing you can do for it now to
just keep it growing vigorously, keep it growing healthy. I
would go ahead and maybe give it a dose of
fertilizer right now, because we're kind of at the end
of July, nearing that period where you want to stop
fertilizing woody plants in anticipation of fall. As crazy it
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is as it is when we're at the height of
summer to think about that, give it a dose of fertilizer.
That will help it kind of, you know, get some
vigorous growth. You are unlikely to see flowers on it
this year, but keep taking care of it, don't let
it get stressed, and then we're just going to kind
of have to wait and see what happens next spring.
And when that when you see that new growth start
to emerge on the plant in say mid to late April,
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early may go out and take a look at it.
Monitor it then and you know, if it's aphids, then
they'll be pretty easy to spot if you're if you're
looking carefully, it might feel kind of sticky. But got
to figure out the cause and then you can deal
with with what's next.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
But do some detective takes, some protective elimination. And I
appreciate Gene writing to us because Pinky Winky is really
a pretty easy hydrangea grows, so I can understand her frustration.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, absolutely, ill, panicle headranges are pretty easy to grow.
This isn't necessarily something that will spread. It's just something
that was on the plant and it's the insect itself
or might has probably long since moved on. And so
it's a crazy world out there. Anyway. Thank you all
so much for your questions. We're going to take a
little break. When we come back, we're going to continue
our talk on elevation, so please stay tuned. Thanks for
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Speaker 1 (33:43):
Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Let's continue our
talk of elevation vines and twiners. Stacey a favorite sit
back and unvine for a while while we talk about
a few of our favorite plants. Thunbergia a genus of
flowering plants, and of course a lot of people know
this plant by black Eyed Susan just a vibrant, annual vine.
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It's not a hardy vine, but great to grow in
landscapes during the summertime. Proven winters has a tangerine slice appeal,
black eyed Susan vine a lemon appeal black eyed Susan vine.
Love that plant sol pretty and easy to grow. And
then there's the Thunbergia grand of Flora, which is Bengal
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clock vine. The name Bengal clock vine refers to the
vine's tendency to twine in a clockwise direction around supports,
and includes the word Bengal because the plant is native
to the Bengal regions of India.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Oh interesting, you know the difference. One of the differences
between the American mysteria and the Asian mysteria is one
vine's clockwise and one vine's counterclockwise, yes, and that's kind
of a difficult thing to well when you're looking at it,
but just one of those distinguishing features. I'm really glad
you mentioned the Thunbergia because I don't think we should
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omit annual vines from this conversation, because I have personally
found that sometimes it can be a little bit tricky
to get good height in your containers. You know, there's
certainly some great plants, like you know, the king tuts
Papyrus cannas. Of course, there are definitely some great plants
out there for it, but I always find after I've
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gone through and picked out everything that I love and
I've planted it in my containers, then I kind of
look at them and go, huh, everything's at like the
exact same level.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
We want some elevation.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, So it's a great plant for that, and I
love to just grow them. I have some beautiful metal
tpies wine tepis, and just having that in there it
just brings again another dimension to the plant. And there's
lots of other very cool annual vines as well, but
that one is fabulous.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Those metal tps are great and if you're on a budget,
what I've found works really good. Is you just got
some good long bamboo steaks, make a tripod out of
them and that will work too. So yeah, that's a
great way to go, Stacy. You got me interested in
a plant, and I'm gonna see if I get this
botanical name right, big Nonia caprio lata. Yeah, dressed to
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thrill crossvine. Because you know, we haven't brought up trumpet vine,
and I'm not gonna bring it up because people will
be mad at us if we bring up trumpet vine
invasive and takes over an area. But this plant what
a great substitute for something like trumpet vine dressed to
thrill cross vine.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It is so cool. And this is a plant that
will be new at garden centers next year. You can
get small plants at the online right now, but bigger
plants will be available next year. And so this is
also a North American native plants. Yeah, it is semi evergreen,
so it's not as hardy as trumpet vine. But if
you live say here in USCA is on six it
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makes me much better behaved. Alternative. Now, if you live
in a warmer climate, it's native to the South. I
think if you've ever taken a road trip down south
somewhere in that like early spring range, and you're looking
and you see red things up in the trees. That's
the cross vine. It's called crossvine because when you cut
open the stem, it looks like the xylum and flow
them in there. The dots are arranged in the shape
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of a cross. I haven't done that yet, but that's
what I hear. And yeah, just beautiful. It's like the
tangerine appeal Thunburgie you were just talking about. I love
that look when the flowers on a vine are kind
of coming off on that little pedicil and they just
make this kind of like wind screen and they're just
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kind of fluttering. I love that. And that's what this
plant does.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
It's gorgeous. Another annual sweet Caroline, upside key lime, ornamental
sweet potato vine. You know, sweet potato vines are great
and containers. I even use them as groundcovers. But this
particular one, the upside look for that can also be
trained in a container to go beyond being a trailing
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plant and actually do some climbing. So I enjoy that plant.
We've got to mention with steria, Stacey, and you had
mentioned that most of the wisteria that you're going to
find in garden centers in the United States are the Asian,
Japanese or Chinese with steria, and not necessarily the American wisteria,
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or some people refer to it as Kentucky with steria.
You've got to do some planning ahead if you're going
to plant a wisteria. There's many stories of the plant
being very aggressive, damaging structures, old pipes or water tanks,
septic tanks, irrigation systems. Weak damaged block foundations can become
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a real issue with wisteria. So you've got to measure
twice and cut once before you get into a wisteria
and one of those vines that really needs you to
show it whose boss, which includes root pruning and pruning,
because this is a plant that can get out of.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Hand, definitely. And speaking of whysteria getting out of hand,
don't be confused. If you see whisteria growing in the wild,
especially down south in warmer climates, it doesn't mean it's
the American mysteria. The Asian mysteria are quite invasive here.
Their seeds spread far and wide, so don't think that
(39:30):
just because you see some growing way out there in
the woods on your hike that it means you've seen
are fabulous native whisteria. Probably I would encourage you if
you want a whysteria. Even though the American mysteria is
not quite as dramatically showy as the Asian one, it
still has beautiful flowers. They just aren't as long and
has that just amazing like tiffany lamp shade kind of look,
(39:54):
but they're still lovely. And I find I have found,
at least based on a non scientific study of plants
around my neighborhood, that the American mysteria does flower much
more reliably for us here than the Asian one does
because sometimes, again it gets too much vegetative growth. It's like, eh,
I'm not flower and I'm good. Whereas some of my
neighbors have beautiful American mysteria, the most popular one out
(40:17):
there is called Amethyst Falls. It should be pretty easy
to find and know. The flowers are not as pendulous
and amazing, but it's still as gorgeous, and it's not
going to be nearly the pain and menace to your
neighborhood as the ancient types.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
I was doing some interesting reading on Here's a word
for you subsidence when the soil actually collapses, or again
you have foundation problems. And I was reading for insurance
purposes some recommendations not to plant Wisteria, English ivy, bamboo,
(40:53):
chameleon plant, or Japanese.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Not those as I would also not recommend planting period,
much less anywhere near your actual home.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Stacy, we could do an entire show on clematists. But
I've got to mention that, you know, there was a
time there when growing growing clematis or clematis was kind
of intimidating to the typical gardener. But today the new cultivars,
whether it's Sweet Summer Love, Fuaniella, there's so many great
(41:26):
you know, jolly good, happy jack. These plants really perform
in the landscape. And the care is relatively easy.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Right, it's not the it's not super confusing. All of
the printing instructions that you need are on there. And
you know, with clematis, as we often say, you don't
have to prune it, you don't strictly need to prune it.
We encourage you to prune them because what's going to
happen then, or at least most of them, is you're
going to get that beautiful curtain effect. You're going to
have flowers from the tip to the from the bottom
(41:55):
to the top rather than just at the tippy top.
If you don't prune it, that's what is going to happen.
So not imperative. And all of our clematis, of course,
are you know, child and tested to be vigorous, easy
to grow, and floriferous. And you know, we look for
long bloom times because some clementis is fabulous as they
may be, they bloom for like a few weeks and
(42:16):
you know, a week or two and then they're out,
and then you're just stuck with some you know, kind
of okay looking vines for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
We can't talk about vines without talking about vines grown
from seed, whether they're moonflower, morning glory, sweet pea and
my favorite lab lab purporeus. Oh yeah, I like the
plant just because of the botanical name or hyacinth bean,
ornamental twining vine, beautiful pods and flowers. I just mentioned
at Stacey because I have had success here in Michigan
(42:46):
getting the plant to come back again the following year,
not to come back as a perennial, but rather to
reced it. So if I leave the pods up on God.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
To love that. Yeah, how do you feel about nistertium?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I'm okay with Now there's another one that will recede
like crazy. So that's why you know, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
All over my garden. I love them, crazy about them.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
And put them on your dinner plate.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yes, delicious, beautiful, and of course they have that nice
hot color that I always love.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
But they're not all vining. But so if you want
a vining nasturtum, you have to get a vining mistertium.
Some are just more bushy. But you know, I've never
asked you about that.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, I mean I'm good with them, but not.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Your favorite, not my favorite. You're not devoting space when
you can have your purple bean, your lab lab purpose.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
You got it real quickly. Want to mention the laniscera
the scentsation honeysuckle, Yeah right, yeah, look for that one.
What a great plant. And of course an aggressive twiner
is mandavilla. There's a difference between mandavilla and Dipladinia. Dipladinia
tends to be more shrub like, same kind of flower
(43:56):
as mandavilla. But boy, if you're you know, we grow
them in the greenhouse and hanging baskets and if they
don't sell quickly, they've worked their way up the hangars,
down the pipe. Got to clip them off to sell them.
But I love man.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
I'm I'm glad that that plant has really taken off
and that we have so many cool, cool choices with that.
Is it time to twine down the show?
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Oh? You know, I had a really good pun to
end the show with.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
But did I steal up?
Speaker 1 (44:27):
No, it's not stealing thunder. I'm not going to use
it because I think that that is perfect. As a
matter of fact, I'll let you close off the show.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
And on that note, I love it. Thank you so much, Rick,
thank you Adriana, and thanks so much to all of
you for listening. We truly appreciate it and hope you
have a wonderful We cut
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